About That FBI Poster
The Deniers like to make a big deal out of the fact that the FBI's most wanted poster for Osama Bin Laden doesn't mention his involvement in the 9-11 attacks, but instead notes the 1998 embassy bombings. But... get the note at the bottom regarding rewards for his capture:
The Rewards For Justice Program, United States Department of State, is offering a reward of up to $25 million for information leading directly to the apprehension or conviction of Usama Bin Laden. An additional $2 million is being offered through a program developed and funded by the Airline Pilots Association and the Air Transport Association.
posted by Pat @ 1:33 PM
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Yeah, I still note the curious lack of actual charges in connection with that little crime, despite some pilots' desire for revenge.
Gee, maybe because the FBI has no evidence connecting Bin Laden with the attacks. Kinda like how the Dallas police had no evidence when they arrested Lee Harvey Oswald.
Well, Oswald never got his day in court. Court cases have things like lawyers, evidence, defense lawyers, etc. The court of public opinion has no such stringent standards - just CTers - This isn't an oversight as I see it, just evidence of the venue chosen for the bin Laden 9/11 trial.
He wasn't indicted for the 1993 WTC bombing, either. Kinda makes a person wonder about this "crackpot" theory. If nothing else, that's one talented family.
only america has a beaurocratic structure geared so heavily toward criminal rights that he cant even be indicted because all the evidence is of unknown provinence
Actually it's the bureaucratic structure that is precisely why he's not ever going to be indicted. If you indict a guy and he turns up alive and in custody, you have to put him on trial. You have to get him an attorney, empanel a jury, abide by federal sentencing laws, etc.
Stuff like that was the Clinton theory of dealing with international terrorism -- that terrorism is first and foremost an international law enforcement problem and that the most appropriate way to deal with it is through the FBI, Interpol, et. al., with military involvement as necessary.
The Bush theory is kill the fuckers. We're at war. We'll use the FBI and Interpol as necessary, but our primary means of dealing with international terrorism is to terminate international terrorists with extreme prejudice. Or if they turn up alive and in custody, have a friendly chat with them to determine what information they might have and then terminate them with extreme prejudice.
One might reasonably agree or disagree with the Bush theory on how to deal with these people. But it's not some kind of back-door indication that they didn't do it. It's a front-door, yelling to the world indication that the people who did this don't have rights under our civil law system.
Gee, maybe because the FBI has no evidence connecting Bin Laden with the attacks
Only several taped confessions.
Kinda like how the Dallas police had no evidence when they arrested Lee Harvey Oswald.
Seen fleeing the Texas Book Depository isn't evidence? I'd wonder why a guy looked ruffled in the cafe (like he ran down flights of strairs) after the president was shot from his direction.
Not only that, but he shot a police officer.
Check this out:
"The alleged terrorists on this list have been indicted by sitting Federal Grand Juries in various jurisdictions in the United States for the crimes reflected on their wanted posters. Evidence was gathered and presented to the Grand Juries, which led to their being charged. The indictments currently listed on the posters allow them to be arrested and brought to justice. Future indictments may be handed down as various investigations proceed in connection to other terrorist incidents, for example, the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001."
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/fugitives.htm
If they catch him, the charges will be filed. Until then they've got more than enough to arrest and hold him for.
exactly. It is like getting a warrant to get somebody on charge X, an easy charge, then while you have them on charge X, you further charge them with Charges Y and Z.
AS for jakes comments, can he not be banned from blogger for violation of TOS (displaying personal information on someone without their permission)?
TAM
And the funny part is guess who pointed this out...it was IVXX over at the Loose Change forum, go figure. Maybe the recent "conversion" of pdoherty has a far reaching influence.
Jake, what the hell...you are a perfect example of why your mom should have swallowed.
This is a silly argument. It is not like if some guy from 5 Group runs across Osama, he is going to let him go because the FBI website doesn't list 9/11 specifically.
shawn wrote: "Only several taped confessions."
Heh. I do enjoy how the "Truth" Movement constructs this elaborate conspiracy, which, according to their disconnected claims, seems to have been botched in an equally elaborate fashion.
For the CTs who believe the confession tapes were faked: even you have to wonder why the FBI would still fail to add 9/11 to Osama's wanted list.
The U.S. government according the "Truth" Movement: In on it... and completely "out of it".
For the CTs who believe the confession tapes were faked: even you have to wonder why the FBI would still fail to add 9/11 to Osama's wanted list.
Well, tradition, of course. See, killing 3,000 people, hijacking one's country's own civil aircraft, attacking one's own military command structure, paying off or intimidating tens of thousands of people into silence, killing the economy, all those things are OK. But messing with the 10 most wanted list? That's just going too far, man!
That, in a nutshell, is how CT reality works.
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