The Great Debate: The Hardfire Edit
The Hardfire edit of the Mark Roberts -Loose Change debate is now available, here and here. It doesn't look any better for the Loosers.
posted by James B. @ 9:59 AM
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Game over for the movie perhaps, but not for the Truth.
Yes, like a chicken with it's head cut off, the twoof movement keeps on going....
chf,
The 9/11 Truth movement didn't begin with the movie Loose Change and it does not end with it.
Funny, because the Truth movement makes many of the claims that Loose Change and Co. do - CD of 1,2,7, no plane at Pentagon, Flight 93 not crashing in Shanksville.
So, BG, what in Loose Change is wrong, and what is "right" by the "Truth" movement's standards?
I think the truth movement started with that holocaust denier Hufschmid. And i haven't seen him in a while.
Lavoisier said...
Funny, because the Truth movement makes many of the claims that Loose Change and Co. do - CD of 1,2,7, no plane at Pentagon, Flight 93 not crashing in Shanksville.
So, BG, what in Loose Change is wrong, and what is "right" by the "Truth" movement's standards?
Here's my short answer (I have to leave in a few minutes):
9/11 Truth should equal:
Level 1:
1) Questions about lead up to 9/11
2) Questions during 9/11 behavior of individuals (alleged preps, faa, local, state, federal, military)
3) Questions about aftermath including
a) Anthrax Attack
b) Patriot Act
c) Wellstone Crash
d) DC Sniper
e) plans for Afghanistan and Iraq Wars
f) 9/11 Commission
g) Madrid / London bombings
h) blank...
i) Lies (from EPA) of safety of Lower Manhatten
j) odd statements by Bush
g) Treastment of Detainees in Wars and Alleged Terror Suspects
h) Military Commission Act
i) Patriot Act Renewal
j) Mainstream Media Cover-up
k) Alternative Media ignorance or hostility
l) poor fact checking and quality for M. Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11
m) Feinberg led Victim's Compensation Fund
n) treatment of 9/11 lawsuits
o) treatment of Silverstein and Ground Zero
p) treatment of cleanup issues at Ground Zero
q) FEMA / NIST Reports
r) Connection with OK City bombing and Cover Up
s) Rumsfeld's statements about Flight 93 being shot down
t) How prep list was almost immediately available by FBI
u) other research that cast doubt about how hijackers "slipped thru defenses", odd connections, Saudi connection,
The fact that Loose Change brings up the Northwoods doc, and presents particular approaches towards the events and alternative explanations in no way undermines or rules out a huge number of unresolved questions that seem to lead to the conclusion that the official story is a lie.
Game over for the movie perhaps, but not for the Truth.
Oh, too true.
The problem is we're the ones on the side of the truth.
The truth movement is like a wave. It started off a while back, just like a ripple...then it grew...it peeked with LC and the 5th anni of 9/11, and now with the wave crested, and falling forward, it will just crash into the shoreline of rationality and logic, and then receed just like the JFK crap...
TAM
hahah Bermas doesn't realize he's one of the useful idiots.
It's pissing me off whenever Ron or Mark bring in a fact and Bermas says "I don't agree with that." It doesn't matter, moron, it's a fact.
And I love when Mark says "that's why they aren't engineers". It's what I was thinking the second those mouth-breathers started going on about how they couldn't understand how the "30 floors" destroyed the "70 floors". Maybe you two should've stayed awake in high school physics to learn about things like force.
Jason, it cannot fall over on its side. Why does the moron keep saying this. He has no idea what he's talking about when it comes to the collapses, this is unreal.
Truth movement, you're dead.
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