Wednesday, January 17, 2007

Who Is Barbara Honegger?

The answer, of course, is the clock lady, the woman who believes that the clocks all stopped at 9:32 in the Pentagon on 9-11, thereby disproving the government's claim that the Pentagon was hit at 9:37 (her section starts at 7:00).




But it turns out that Honegger has been around for a long time and is quite a wackadoodle. Curt at Flopping Aces has some background on Honegger. She's a munchkin who has talked to computers 100 years in the future.

Update: The original source on that talking to computers story may not be the best. But here's a 9-11 Denier who has more information on Honegger that confirms she's pretty nutty.

28 Comments:

At 17 January, 2007 11:31, Blogger Manny said...

Um. Not to defend clock lady, but I challenge the correctness of Flopping Aces' source. It appears to be a list of footnotes to an essay written by Jack Sarfatti, one of the few UFO kooks to actually have a science background to speak of. He's, well, he's nuts. I'd look for corroboration before repeating things he has to say.

 
At 17 January, 2007 11:32, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Video: The “War on Terrorism” is a Fabrication

 
At 17 January, 2007 11:41, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know many of you have no taste for these videos which include references to Northwoods.

Skip over that part here if you want to:

Video: The Bush Administration's 9/11 Story is a Conspiracy Theory

 
At 17 January, 2007 11:59, Anonymous Anonymous said...

9/11 Truth: False Flags & Low Intensity Operations

 
At 17 January, 2007 12:00, Blogger Swing Dangler said...

For those who accept Pat's word as truth when it is not:

''They called me a Munchkin,'' she said of the President's men, mingling wounded dignity with retaliatory
mockery. Then, holding aloft a photograph of herself with Mr. Reagan for the zooming television lenses and
popping flash attachments, she said: ''This is me with the Wizard of Oz. This is the President. This is the
Munchkin with the Wizard.''

Pat would lead you to believe she called herself a munchkin and talked to computers 100 years in the future.

Why do you do that, Pat? Is that an error or your attempt or is it to discredit Barbara by lying about what said she said?

 
At 17 January, 2007 12:09, Blogger Swing Dangler said...

Furthermore, the reason they couldn't "find" the money, was not because it was stolen, but because of the antiquated accounting and IT systems, which is what Rumsfeld was complaining about in the speech!

And to correct James's logic as he is referenced in the article... if they can't find it, well then it could very well have been stolen!

Because the system is antiquated does not mean it wasn't stolen.

The next leap in logic: why would Rumsfield report the amount and the system's problems if he knew it were stolen (if it was as some assert)?
I know the answer is simple, because Rumsfield doesn't know it is stolen because the system is so antiquated.

Time to checkout some truth regarding the missing amounts by a whistle blower who was THERE working on the problem.

http://video.google.com/
videoplay?docid=-8672066571196607580&hl=
en

 
At 17 January, 2007 12:32, Blogger Swing Dangler said...

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At 17 January, 2007 12:34, Blogger Swing Dangler said...

Think Flight 77 hit the Pentagon? Think again...the NTSB and the 9/11 Commission can't get their story straight.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?
docid=-8672066571196607580&hl=en

The video documentary was created through the NTSB's own data sets and animation. According to the data, there has been a cover-up as to the true altitude of Flight 77, impact on the light poles, and the flight path itself. In fact the flight path does not even match the 9/11 Commission's flight path by a long shot. Great audio interviews with the NTSB regarding their investigation 'for another agency'.

Before you start the flame war, watch the documentary. I can't wait for the deniers to get ahold of this and well...deny it.

 
At 17 January, 2007 12:59, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Making SD's link clickable:

Link

 
At 17 January, 2007 13:04, Anonymous Anonymous said...

2nd Try:

Link

 
At 17 January, 2007 13:25, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

Looks like the 2 tards have the sandbox all to themselves.

Hey BG:
Barbara is pretty hot!'
You should see if she is single.
You 2 would look so cute together.

 
At 17 January, 2007 13:46, Blogger CHF said...

Sounds like this lady will fit right in with BG, Swing, Killtown, Alex Jones, Judy Wood and Uncle Fetzer.

What a crew.

 
At 17 January, 2007 13:58, Blogger Stevew said...

She would be a good pairing with Judy Wood

 
At 17 January, 2007 14:14, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you guys speechless after watching the Pilots for 9/11 Truth Vid?

How about that falsification of the flight simulation with respect to the altitude near the Pentagon?

 
At 17 January, 2007 14:20, Blogger Pat said...

SD, read what I wrote. "She's a munchkin". Did I write "She says she's a munchkin?"

 
At 17 January, 2007 14:22, Blogger Pat said...

As for the Pilot's video, I remarked on that over the weekend--see "To Our Bosses in the New World Order". I'll put up a more detailed look later.

 
At 17 January, 2007 15:02, Blogger Stevew said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8&eurl=

http://www.mikejwilson.com/911

http://www.triaxialdesign.com/

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Our team includes Certified SolidWorks Instructors, Certified SolidWorks Support Technicians, and Certified SolidWorks Professionals (CSWP)

TriAxial Design and Analysis have been in business since 1996. We have completed over 400 projects for over 90 different customers.

SolidWorks, Pro-E and Catia are the primere modeling pgms used around the world because of their accuracy and capabilities but the whaks would know nothing about this. There are things called Addins that allow these programs to input the actual flight profile into the animation so that the model will follow it exactly.

The links to Mike and the company are here for anyone to verify

 
At 17 January, 2007 15:07, Blogger Alex said...

And to correct James's logic as he is referenced in the article... if they can't find it, well then it could very well have been stolen!

The problem with this is that YOUR logic doesn't work that way. You don't say "if they can't find it, it cold be stolen", you say "if they can't find it, it could be stolen, and if it could be stolen, then it MUST be stolen".

That's the difference between a rational individual and a conspiracy nut. A rational person will look at the situation and say "well, there's a small chance that some money was stolen, but it's nothing to get excited about". A conspiracy loon will say "OMFG DEY STOLE 69,000 QUADRAPETABILLION DOLLARS!!!! MEXICOSUPERHIGHWAY THEMITEDEMOLITION USSLIBERTY REVOLUTION!!!!"

 
At 17 January, 2007 16:24, Blogger default.xbe said...

And to correct James's logic as he is referenced in the article... if they can't find it, well then it could very well have been stolen!

and it very well could have been donated to charity, some starving ethiopians maybe, and perhaps they used it to build a massive underground fortress to guard the ark of the covenant

i think theres about as much evidence for that as there is that it was stolen

 
At 17 January, 2007 19:43, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

ok, all chiding aside....she isnt really helping her cause, in terms of people taking her seriously. I mean she is dressed like the high priestess of Moloch for lords sake...I mean I hate to judge, but when you go on a tv interview dressed like that, people are expecting you take out the wicca tarot cards..

TAM

 
At 17 January, 2007 20:09, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Video: The “War on Terrorism” is a Fabrication

CTers' brains are fabrications.

Looks like the 2 tards (BG and Swing) have the sandbox all to themselves.

Well, debunkers are mostly normal people who have real lives to live and don’t have time to debate this stuff 24/7. Professional conspiratoids, on the other hand, don’t exactly make the best employees and are probably too paranoid to have successful relationships, so all they have left is full-time conspiracy-theorizing.

As for Honegger, I’m still interested finding out how this stupid moron stays on the federal payroll. If a DoD employee was openly advocating a Soviet invasion of the U.S. during the Cold War, would they have staid on the job?

I have a theory (although unlike the 9/11 conspiratoids, I won’t claim everyone should believe it). I know Linda Tripp might be a heroine to some of the right-wingers here but I suspect her and Honegger share more than an affliction for slander (albeit, I will grant you Honegger’s slander is 100 times worse than Tripp’s). Tripp got some high-paying do-nothing federal job via blackmail. I wonder if Honegger had some real dirt (as opposed to her bogus 9/11 claims) on someone to secure herself that PA job at the NPS.

 
At 18 January, 2007 05:22, Blogger Swing Dangler said...

"if they can't find it, it could be stolen, and if it could be stolen, then it MUST be stolen".

If you re-read my post, Alex, no where in it did I assert that the money MUST be stolen. That is your logic not mine. What I pointed out correctly was that it could be stolen, not that it was. And with antiquated accounting software, that would make it easier to siphon off a few bucks here and a few there, combined with legitimate errors and after a few years, my government can't account for trillions. Amazing.

Anyway, the video I posted has an interview with a whistleblower who worked on those accounting problems. I believe he mentions something of a cover up, but don't take my word for it, check it out.

Another liar, denier trying to twist the words of truth.


Tam...I mean I hate to judge, but when you go on a tv interview dressed like that, people are expecting you take out the wicca tarot cards.. That is probably true for most people, but most people wouldn't view your point as a style over substance fallacy to discredit her work.


No thoughts on the video?? I thought for sure you guys would be flaming it without any facts to back it up. Pretty impressive work by that group of professional pilots.

 
At 18 January, 2007 06:06, Blogger Alex said...

If you re-read my post, Alex, no where in it did I assert that the money MUST be stolen.

You didn't have to, since this is the approach you use to ALL your crazy theories.

"WTC7 sorta looked like a demolition, therefore IT MUST HAVE BEEN a dmolition!"

"The whole in the pentagon looks too small in this one image, therefore FLOGHT && COULD NOT HAVE CRASHED HERE."

This is your standard idea of "logic", and it's why we're constantly laughing at you. In your world, the possibility of something occurring is enough to prove that it actually did occur - as long as it contradicts the government report.

No thoughts on the video?? I thought for sure you guys would be flaming it without any facts to back it up. Pretty impressive work by that group of professional pilots.

You're not serious are you?

Let's see, boring, full of lies, boring, showcases a bunch of unqualified idiots, boring, and did I mention repeats the same tired old lies?

I don't know why you people seem to think that repeating the same crap over and over again will somehow make it true. I don't need a water-boy and a theologian telling me about building collapse, thanks. If I need a nice refreshing drink, or my soul tended to, I might refer to those two. Until then I don't need to hear from 'em.

 
At 18 January, 2007 10:13, Blogger Swing Dangler said...

Let's see, boring, full of lies, boring, showcases a bunch of unqualified idiots, boring, and did I mention repeats the same tired old lies?

ROFLMAO! Great debunking on that piece. I see you either failed to watch it, watched part of it, or can't find a dam thing wrong with it so you LIE about what is in the video.

DENY and LIE is the tactic again!

 
At 18 January, 2007 10:14, Blogger Swing Dangler said...

WTC7 sorta looked like a demolition, therefore IT MUST HAVE BEEN a dmolition!"

"The whole in the pentagon looks too small in this one image, therefore FLOGHT && COULD NOT HAVE CRASHED HERE."


Can you repost my words proving your point? If you can't you have been exposed again as a LIAR.

 
At 18 January, 2007 14:18, Blogger Alex said...

Can you repost my words proving your point?

Why the hell would I need to do that? Listen, I know that you think the universe revolves around you, but for most of us there are other standards of proof than The Word Of Swing Dangler. In fact, for the most part, we can safely assume that the opposite of whatever you say is probably true. You've shown over and over again that you will say absolutely anything in order to make yourself feel that you are "winning" an argument. As such, your word is useless. I make my judgements of you based on your conduct, not on you own assessments of yourself. And no, I'm not at all surprised that you're too stupid to understand this.

 
At 18 January, 2007 18:10, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...


That is probably true for most people, but most people wouldn't view your point as a style over substance fallacy to discredit her work.


No thoughts on the video?? I thought for sure you guys would be flaming it without any facts to back it up. Pretty impressive work by that group of professional pilots.


I really don't know much about her, so it really wasnt an attempt to discredit her...but really...do i need to try, with the way she looks, she discredits herself.

TAM

 
At 18 January, 2007 18:14, Blogger S. King said...

Always nice to see a Munchkin 9/11 Denier actually defend the "official 9:32 story."

 

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