Saturday, April 07, 2007

An Open Letter to Dr. Steven Jones

Dear Dr. Jones:

In a recent letter you criticized me, and Mark Roberts, for failing to notify you about questions that we had regarding your misrepresentation of a photograph of firefighters at Ground Zero searching for their fallen comrades with a flashlight. In this you expressed the hope that we would contact you in the future regarding such issues.

While it is true that I had failed to contact you directly, although I am not sure how you missed this issue since it was publicized throughout the 9/11 conspiracy theory community, I had in fact contacted you on concerns I had about your misrepresentations of fact regarding other 9/11 issues previousy, but you failed to respond. Not being one who likes writing e-mails for the purpose of being ignored, I stopped trying.

In any case, I presume that your new request can fairly be interpreted as an offer to actually respond to inquiries, so in that spirit I am sharing other concerns that I, and other 9/11 researchers have regarding the credibility of your research, in the hopes that you might address these concerns.

First of all, I would like to continue with the issue of the use of photographs. Although in the case of the aforementioned photograph of firefighters, I did not reach a conclusion as to whether the change in coloration was intentional or incidental, many assumed that it was intentional based on the fact that you have a long history of misrepresenting photographic evidence.

Some additional examples of this are as follows:

1. A cut steel beam, given as an example of being cutting through the use of an as yet unknown device employing thermite, which is in fact more likely one of the hundreds of beams cut by iron workers during the cleanup, of which there are numerous photographs and examples which are similar to the one you use. An example of this may be found here.

2. A photograph on page 17 of your paper of workers using some sort of cutting device, which apparently even you suspect it is, because you only speculate that it “may show” proof of hot metal. You give no reason why it should be assumed to be anything other than the obvious, iron workers cleaning up, given that they would have no reason to be huddled around hot glowing metal otherwise. Some examples can be found here.

3. A picture of pancaked concrete floors on exhibit in an aircraft hanger, which you misrepresent as molten metal, despite the fact that the exhibit is clearly identified in resources available on the Internet, including close-up pictures showing items such as paper, which would not likely be found in molten metal. More on this can be found here.

Do you believe that because, either intentionally or through carelessness you have repeatedly made claims regarding the use of photographic evidence which are not backed up by fact, others may have serious questions as to the reliability of your research? How would you answer such critics of your work?

Additionally I have questions regarding the standards and practices at the Journal for 9/11 Studies, particularly the “peer-review” of your paper. You have stated on several occasions that your paper underwent another series of peer-reviews organized by your co-editor Kevin Ryan. There are two issues raised by this process.

First of all, is Kevin Ryan, who to the best of my knowledge has no experience editing a scientific journal, who has never published peer-reviewed scientific research, and does not even have a graduate degree in any field, have the necessary academic qualifications and experience to carry out this process to any standard generally accepted by any serious academic body?

Secondly, given the fact that you yourself founded this journal, and that you most likely also appointed Mr. Ryan to this position, after Dr. Judy Wood resigned, protesting the lack of standards at this journal, does it follow normal standards of academic ethics to have him in charge of the review process of your paper. Does the fact that Mr. Ryan himself is a major citation in your paper affect his unbiased discharge of his responsibilities? Can you point to any respected academic journal which allows this type of conflict of interests, where the founder of the journal has peer reviews for their own papers organized by people they appointed, which cites works written by that very person? Is it unreasonable for outside observers to conclude that Mr. Ryan may have a difficult time being unbiased in this matter, and conduct this process in the most rigorous manner expected under generally accepted academic standards? Given all of this, on what basis do outside observers have to place any trust whosoever in the integrity of the papers published?


Thank you for your time, and I am looking forward to your responses to these questions, so that we can clarify some of these issues.

James Bennett
Screw Loose Change Blog

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At 08 April, 2007 04:59, Blogger nes718 said...

More hot air I see. Anyway, we will keep hammering the point until you guys get it!

The Third Stage

 
At 08 April, 2007 05:01, Blogger MarkyX said...

Yes, answering critical questions about the dubious methods of one's "scientific" research should never happen, Allah forbid.

 
At 08 April, 2007 05:04, Blogger nes718 said...

Hahah you sound like a toother, nutter! Take that shit to NIST YO!

 
At 08 April, 2007 05:13, Blogger MarkyX said...

The difference between myself and a truther is I rather seek evidence and form a conclusion, where is the truth movement tries to fit evidence in their pre-made conclusion.

"Let's prove how the Jews did it!"

 
At 08 April, 2007 05:14, Blogger MarkyX said...

Let's not forget that we are talking about a Mormon ex-professer here who uses science to enforce his beliefs, as opposed to try to get a better understanding of the evidence.

Obviously you don't find this a problem.

 
At 08 April, 2007 05:22, Blogger nes718 said...

"Let's prove how the Jews did it!"

Since there is no true evidence that so called "Islamic" hijackers boarded any of the planes in question, the "official" version absolutely fits what you're trying to describe. Nice try though.

 
At 08 April, 2007 05:29, Blogger nes718 said...

as opposed to try to get a better understanding of the evidence.

What evidence? Rudy got rid of most of that! What we are left with are plausible conclusions based on what we have. While Jone's arguments might not be air tight, they far better explain what really happened as opposed to the government's version that would take a high number of improbable circumstance to actually work.

 
At 08 April, 2007 06:05, Blogger shawn said...

Since there is no true evidence that so called "Islamic" hijackers boarded any of the planes in question

There's no such thing as "true" and "false" evidence. Saying "true evidence" is redundant.

Nesnyc, for you to be right all the phone calls had to be faked and all the passenger lists also had to be faked. You also needed guys who were damn good at speaking Arabic (when our goverment lacks sufficient translators as it is) and willing to suicide for a government plot.

 
At 08 April, 2007 06:39, Blogger nes718 said...

Saying "true evidence" is redundant.

Fabricated "evidence" is false evidence.

 
At 08 April, 2007 06:42, Blogger nes718 said...

all the phone calls had to be faked and all the passenger lists also had to be faked.

Can you verify the phone calls were 100% authentic? No. Did official flight lists ever get released? No.

Now ask yourself this question; if the authorities admitted said "hijackers" used fake ID's to "board" the planes, how did they figure out who was whom? Logical conclusion, they don't know for sure.

 
At 08 April, 2007 07:20, Blogger shawn said...

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At 08 April, 2007 07:20, Blogger shawn said...

Can you verify the phone calls were 100% authentic? No. Did official flight lists ever get released? No.

You can't verify anything as being one hundred percent authentic. But if you want to delve into solipsism, be my guest (you folks seem to revel in it). There's no evidence for them being phony, so the logical and rational course of action is to assume they are valid.

 
At 08 April, 2007 07:28, Blogger nes718 said...

There's no evidence for them being phony

Au Contre. The "cell" calls didn't appear on phone records so there are massive indications they are faked, spoofed or not originating from the planes. Because of these facts, you'll have to assume they (phone calls) were staged in places other than on any hijacked aircraft. If the cell calls cannot be 100% verified then we must assume the air-phone calls are just as dubious.

 
At 08 April, 2007 07:33, Blogger spoonfed said...

Wow! That's some super-strong debunking there!

Don't expect Jones to waste his time with this nonsense.

Look -- if his paper hinged on the origin of the photos, it would be a different case. And it's neither here nor there so who cares?

So far his explanation is the most plausible for what was witnessed on 9/11. And he has physical evidence to back it up.

You fail to understand now that 9/11 truth is gaining serious traction, the ball is in the court of the 'official story' tellers. We have an incomplete investigation into the events of 9/11 and anyone looking into this for the first time will see this quite clearly.

 
At 08 April, 2007 07:43, Blogger tps said...

James is really losing it. He knows we are winning. He can't handle it. Mr. Bennett is going straight to hell with the rest of the enablers and liars.

The time is nigh.

 
At 08 April, 2007 07:55, Blogger 911_truthiness said...

Well these so call nonexistent flight manifest and fake phone calls were good enough to convict Zacarias Moussaoui. Hell they know what seats these guys sat in.

Sorry but this stuff has been out for a long time and calling it fake will not make it so. But why should I expect more from a bunch of conspiracy theorist?

United States v. Zacarias Moussaoui
Criminal No. 01-455-A


You can download the flash presentation used in the trial and it shows the flight manifest and phone calls made on 911.

 
At 08 April, 2007 08:10, Blogger 911_truthiness said...

"You fail to understand now that 9/11 truth is gaining serious traction"

Have you looked lately, Truthers are fast becoming the joke of the internet. You got the likes of Rosie and sad little Nazi pinheads like nesnyc. Saw a video the other day where the maker just went down to ground zero and interviewed the truthers. Funny as hell, kind of sad that there are people that delusional, but still a laugh a minute freak show.

And as people learn more about how the 911 Truth uses pseudo-science as a selling point, it falls apart like the creationist myth.

The biggest group to start abandoning the 911 freaks are the liberal left because they know it only give ammo to the conservative nut jobs like O'Rilley.

Now the people are proposing space death beams and mini-nukes because the controlled demolition myth has been so widely debunked.

 
At 08 April, 2007 08:18, Blogger nes718 said...

Now the people are proposing space death beams and mini-nukes because the controlled demolition myth has been so widely debunked.

That kind disinfo was present from day 1 just like the myth that jet fuel bought down the buildings. Fortunately, the only scenario that makes any sense are the arguments raised by Prof. Jones and others of the same conclusion.

 
At 08 April, 2007 08:20, Blogger nes718 said...

Well these so call nonexistent flight manifest and fake phone calls were good enough to convict Zacarias Moussaoui. Hell they know what seats these guys sat in.

Ha! I bet they also "knew" what color shits they took too, huh? If you take the Moussaoui torture conviction as gospel then that's your own shortcoming. There's hope for if you open your eye however.

 
At 08 April, 2007 08:25, Blogger 911_truthiness said...

"Au Contre. The "cell" calls didn't appear on phone records so there are massive indications they are faked, spoofed or not originating from the planes."

OK, nesnyc... Lets test your reasoning skills, shall we?

You propose the cell calls were fake because there are no records of the calls. So you have these evil men who are smart enough to fake the calls good enough to fool family members. BUT!!!! to dumb to fake the records? And you buy this as a reasonable explanation?

Come on! try and rub two brain cells together and make some sort of spark.

See that is the trouble with you guys, you don't think, you believe what you read on a conspiracy theorist site and then come here and make a fool of yourself. And guys like me will always be too happy to point out what fools you are.

 
At 08 April, 2007 08:29, Blogger 911_truthiness said...

"If you take the Moussaoui torture conviction as gospel "

Has nothing to do with what Moussaoui said or didn't say.

The evidence is of the flight manifest that show the seating positions of the hijackers and the cell phone recordings from the flights. The stuff you guys say does not exist or is fake.

 
At 08 April, 2007 08:35, Blogger 911_truthiness said...

"only scenario that makes any sense are the arguments raised by Prof. Jones"


Yep... Prof. Steven "Super Thermite" Jones is the best you got, that does not say much.

 
At 08 April, 2007 08:43, Blogger shawn said...

That kind disinfo

Sorry pal, there are people in the "movement" who believe it - everything that you deem stupid isn't disinformation you moron.

 
At 08 April, 2007 08:58, Blogger Geedubya said...

James,

I would suggest also sending your questions to Elisabeth Hasselbeck on "The View", as it looks like Jones may appear on that show.

Also, include a spine, a louder voice and a spit shield for her.

 
At 08 April, 2007 10:03, Blogger Civilized Worm said...

Fortunately, the only scenario that makes any sense are the arguments raised by Prof. Jones and others of the same conclusion.

Yeah, thermite/thermate being used to bring the buildings down(top down) even though they have never been used in controlled demolition before and no one has been able to show that they could be used. And all that without anyone noticing, yeah that makes perfect sense.

 
At 08 April, 2007 10:15, Blogger Mark Roberts said...

The poor thing!

Had Jones replied to my previous queries, I might have taken the time to notify him of subsequent errors I found.

But really, shouldn't those three rounds of "peer review" have caught the blatant errors in the paper in question?

Mr. Jones, when you stop being deceitful and laughably incompetent, you'll notice a marked decline in people calling you deceitful and laughably incompetent.

Give it a try. Being a dignified, rational adult may suit you.

 
At 08 April, 2007 10:47, Blogger nes718 said...

Has nothing to do with what Moussaoui said or didn't say.

Sure it does. If they went to the trouble to "condition" Mr. Moussaoui to "confess" don't you think they "prepared" flight manifests as well. As we are all aware, the airline retracted what they did release on the days shortly after 911 and those had no "hijackers" on them.

 
At 08 April, 2007 10:54, Blogger 911_truthiness said...

Sure it does. If they went to the trouble to "condition" Mr. Moussaoui to "confess" don't you think they "prepared" flight manifests as well. "

But they didn't prepare Phone records from the flights. sounds like a case of selective reasoning to me.

 
At 08 April, 2007 11:00, Blogger 911_truthiness said...

"As we are all aware, the airline retracted what they did release on the days shortly after 911 and those had no "hijackers" on them."

And if you will check your facts all the names were on the manifest, even the ones given to the Boston Globe.

The Boston Globe removed all the Arab names because the felt it would be an insult to the real victims. The truthers use the Globes revised list to say no Arabs were on the filghts. Kind of deceptive, no?

Sorry to burst your bubble.

 
At 08 April, 2007 11:39, Blogger nes718 said...

The Boston Globe removed all the Arab names

Ah, the ones with fake ID's? If those were fake ID names, then those "Arabs" were innocent correct? But sorry to burst your bubble, there were no Arab names plain and simple. They were NEVER release to anyone.

 
At 08 April, 2007 12:35, Blogger shawn said...

don't you think they "prepared" flight manifests as well

You actually need evidence to back this up, otherwise they're real flight manifests.

But sorry to burst your bubble, there were no Arab names plain and simple.

Yes, there were. Saying "no there wasn't" isn't refuting anything. Only the victim lists lacked Arab names.

 
At 08 April, 2007 13:58, Blogger Unknown said...

At 08 April, 2007 07:43, tps said...

James is really losing it. He knows we are winning. He can't handle it. Mr. Bennett is going straight to hell with the rest of the enablers and liars.

The time is nigh.


tps,

I don't see where you are coming from with respect to James. I think James has been pretty consistent throughout the span of this blog.

If one looks at this blog as being primarily about shooting down Loose Change, I respect Pat and James for their work.

I wouldn't say "we are winning" until the damn breaks within the scientific community, which may never happen.

As it stands, honest people have only the argument that structural engineers are intimated or corrupted to remain silent.

In-depth investigation could possibly overcome the lack of a courageous scientific community.

I'm not betting on it.

 
At 08 April, 2007 14:59, Blogger James B. said...

As it stands, honest people have only the argument that structural engineers are intimated or corrupted to remain silent.


That isn't an honest argument, that is what people say when they don't have the facts on their side.

 
At 08 April, 2007 15:21, Blogger Unknown said...

James B. said...

As it stands, honest people have only the argument that structural engineers are intimated or corrupted to remain silent.


That isn't an honest argument, that is what people say when they don't have the facts on their side.


Since we seem to be beating WTC arguments to death....

Let me ask you this:

What facts are on "your side" with respect to Able Danger and choice made by the 9/11 Commission and Congress to cover up and stifle the continued investigation?

 
At 08 April, 2007 15:24, Blogger Alex said...

We're not arguing about that, now are we Bill? You want to ask questions about the possible coverup of culpability in the 9/11 commission? Go ahead. There are some valid questions there, and nobody is going to try and ridicule you for asking them. But the moment you start voicing idiotic conspiracy theories is the moment we get involved.

 
At 08 April, 2007 16:18, Blogger Jay said...

I bet nesnyc lets his car get repaired by a dentist and hopes all will be ok. Like he said in another post:
I'm glad there's folks out there that take the time to do some "open source" research
Maybe your dentist will get lucky repairing your car nesnyc. If not, try the next librarian you meet to do it.

 
At 08 April, 2007 16:24, Blogger Civilized Worm said...

As it stands, honest people have only the argument that structural engineers are intimated or corrupted to remain silent.

Which is as good an arguement as the one the all the worlds astronomers are suppressing evidence of a flat earth.

 
At 08 April, 2007 16:30, Blogger Unknown said...

Jay
Maybe he could use Judy Wood to repair his car? :)

 
At 08 April, 2007 17:42, Blogger Jenny Quarx said...

To whom this may concern:

Was the bait tasty?

Nice ear stud--but you didn't have to hide in the corner feeling left out.

And turn that frown upside down!

Be seeing you...;-)

 
At 09 April, 2007 15:58, Blogger The Masked Writer said...

You want to ask questions about the possible coverup of culpability in the 9/11 commission?Go ahead. There are some valid questions there, and nobody is going to try and ridicule you for asking them.But the moment you start voicing idiotic conspiracy theories is the moment we get involved.

Doesn't coverup equate to conspiracy?
If 100 people have something to hide surrounding 9/11, is that a conspiracy?
But culpability isn't idotic eh?

Here is the thing, if Lee Hamiliton had not opened his trap, you would be declaring the 9/11 Comm. the end all end of 9/11.
So what it takes for you, meaning bunkers, is politicians and experts have to state declare the truth? You have way too much faith in politicians! And think about how many times the theory for collapse was parroted forth by the experts in the last 5 years only to be changed over and over.

You can take 'the it happened because we screwed up and now we are covering it up' conspiracy. But find it idiotic that indivduals within the Fed. Govt. would make it happen and perhaps that is the reason for the cover up?

Nice selective choice of conspiracies. I got to give you credit though. Your almost there Alex, almost.

"Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories...only culpability ones"

What a joke.

CHF, out of 10 firms I have contacted so far they stated they supported the NIST version of the events.
When asked if they had read the final report or any critiques of the report, not a single one had. None of them were aware of the explosive devices that were detonated in the sub-levels. Of course I shared some links with them. Thanks for asking!
I'll keep trying though. ;)

 
At 09 April, 2007 16:54, Blogger The Masked Writer said...

You also needed guys who were damn good at speaking Arabic (when our goverment lacks sufficient translators as it is) and willing to suicide for a government plot.

It is called outsourceing! ;)

 
At 10 April, 2007 06:10, Blogger Unknown said...

The NIST has stated on their web site that the report has not been released yet> they have not heard about your basement bomb BS because there were none. Your basement bomb theory still does not hold water no matter how many times you post your same BS but do keep trying it makse for amuseing reading

 
At 10 April, 2007 13:27, Blogger Civilized Worm said...

I'm sure Saudi Arabia is just full of guys willing to die for American foriegn policy. Oh but they're still alive aren't they? How silly of me.

So what it takes for you, meaning bunkers, is politicians and experts have to state declare the truth? You have way too much faith in politicians!

On the contrary, you are the ones who believe that politicians can pull off this nonsense.

 
At 10 April, 2007 18:35, Blogger shawn said...

Nice selective choice of conspiracies.

Oh, we have to accept every conspiracy every dreamed up or drop them all? Swing, you are the living end.

 

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