Saturday, June 05, 2010

That's Hype-o-thesis



I'm sorry to say, Steven, that you are indeed a nutty heretic.

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At 05 June, 2010 19:52, Anonymous Marc said...

Steve puts the "Pot" in Hypothesis.

It is sad to see an educated man just lose touch with reality. Forget the fact that his initial thesis, that no steel framed building has ever collapsed from fire does not have any basis in the actual event. You know, he leaves out the crashing of the planes themselves (which is the primary cause of the collapse of each building), the fact the the World Trade Center's twin towers were unique designs and that the loss of even a few steel vertical beams doomed the buildings, and the fact that steel beamed structures have indeed collapsed due to fire.

So his thesis is doomed from the start.

Then he expects us to believe that the hundreds of on-site investigators, hundreds of steel workers, hundreds of FBI, NTSB, ATF, NYPD and NYFD somehow missed evidence of explosives being used; even though these investigators directly handed the wreckage from all of the buildings while at the Freshkills landfill. Yet some hack from Utah; who never set foot at Freshkills, and came to the game late somehow has figured out that explosives were used.

Sad.

 
At 05 June, 2010 21:08, Anonymous Patrick from Cincinnati said...

Troy's perfect game clip has received more views in a few days than this piece of shit will ever get!

 
At 05 June, 2010 21:12, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a consulting mechanical engineer with over 55 years of experience in the design and construction of all types of buildings including high-rise office towers. I am an expert in heating ventilation and air conditioning (HVAC) and fire protection for buildings. I have authored 41 technical papers and I am a chapter author in 3 books covering HVAC systems, building and energy requirements, solar heating and cooling applications, thermal energy storage and earthquake damage to building nonstructural systems. I support the work of Dr. Steven Jones. I have carefully studied the Jones 2006 paper, “Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Completely Collapse?” and concluded that it is a rational step-by-step study that meets the accepted standards for scientific building research. His critical reviews of the FEMA, NIST, and 9/11 Commission reports are correct.
---J. Marx Ayres, BS ME, MS ME, PE, Mechanical Engineer with over 55 years experience. Mr. Ayres is a nationally recognized expert in building air conditioning design and analysis, energy conservation, thermal energy storage, commissioning of HVAC systems, and earthquake damage to building mechanical systems. Mr. Ayres is a former member of the California Seismic Safety Commission and former member of the National Institute of Sciences Building Safety Council. He also served on the State of California Department of Health Building Safety Board, where he was Chairman of the Mechanical/ Electrical Subcommittee. Mr. Ayres has also served as a member of the Building Code Advisory committees for the City of Los Angeles, the California Building Standards Committee, and the International Conference of Building Officials.

 
At 05 June, 2010 21:14, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, you know, five minutes after it happened, I knew that it was a scam. ...No Boeing 757 ever crashed into the Pentagon. No Boeing 757 ever crashed at Shanksville. ... And no Arab hijacker, ever in a million years, ever flew into the World Trade Center. And if you got 30 minutes I'll tell you exactly why he couldn't do it the first time. Now, I'd have trouble doing it the first time. Maybe if I had a couple tries to line up a few building, I could have done it. But certainly not the first time and certainly not at 500 or 600 miles an hour.
---John Lear, Retired commercial airline pilot with over 19,000+ total hours flown in over 100 different types of planes for 10 different airlines in 60 different countries around the world. Flew for over 40 years. Holds every certificate ever offered by the FAA and has 23 different FAA type ratings. Held 17 world records including speed around the world in a Lear Jet Model 24, set in 1966. He was presented with the PATCO award for outstanding airmanship in 1968, and the Symons Wave memorial. Flight experience includes Boeing 707 and 727, McDonnell Douglas DC-8, Lockheed L-1011 and many others. Son of Bill Lear, founder of Lear Jet Corp.

 
At 05 June, 2010 21:16, Anonymous Anonymous said...

WTC 7 was with the highest probability brought down by explosives.
Jörg Schneider, Dr hc – Professor Emeritus, Structural Dynamics and Earthquake Engineering, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology. Former President, Joint Committee on Structural Safety, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology. Elected member of the Swiss Academy of Engineering Sciences. Former Vice President and honorary lifetime member of the International Association for Bridge and Structural Engineering.

 
At 05 June, 2010 21:18, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is clear extraordinarily powerful explosives were used to destroy the WTC Twin Towers. Careful scrutiny of video of the collapse of the South Tower (WTC2) shows the upper segment (above the airplane strike) listing, then dropping, then disintegrating or pulverizing. There was a massive explosion near ground level immediately before those events. Using only common sense and reflection, the tilt-then-drop sequence shows the building's central structural steel core (including stairwells, elevator shafts, utility conduits, etc., and mainly, 47 thick-walled 2'X4' box section steel columns) had by some agency been made insubstantial and unable to bear weight. Putting that together with the ground level blast and the subsequent pulverization it is clear very powerful explosives had to have been in play.
---Bruce R. Henry, PhD, Former guidance systems engineer for Polaris and Trident missiles, General Electric Co., Professor Emeritus, Mathematics and Computer Science, Worcester State College.

 
At 05 June, 2010 21:19, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I honestly don’t believe the government story, the 9/11 Commission report doesn't even begin to get at the truth." ...What we really need is an entire new investigation to answer all the questions not answered by the 9/11 Commission… I've heard so many stories from whistle blowers, compelling stories that need to be told that have been silenced by the government and the media.
Bill Doyle, Father of Joseph Doyle, Cantor Fitzgerald, WTC North Tower. Founder of the Bill Doyle 9/11 Support Group, a bi-partisan support group of more than 7,000 members of 2,573 families. His group merged with the Coalition of 9/11 Families in 2004 and is now know as the World Trade Center United Family Group, a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization.

 
At 05 June, 2010 21:20, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Applying two basic principles, conservation of energy and conservation of momentum, the government explanation quickly unravels. NIST conspicuously ignored these principles in their reports. NIST also ignored the observed twisting of the top 34 floors of the South Tower before it toppled down. This twisting clearly violates the conservation of both linear and angular momentum unless a large external force caused it. Where the massive amounts of energy came from that were needed to cause the complete collapse of the intact parts below for each tower, when their tops were in virtual free fall, is not answered in NIST's numerous volumes of study.
Crockett L. Grabbe, PhD, Research Scientist and Visiting Scholar, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Iowa 1980 - present. Former researcher at Naval Research Laboratory (NRL). Author of numerous scientific papers on the subjects of astrophysics and plasma behavior. Author of Space Weapons and the Strategic Defense Initiative (1991). Editor of Plasma Waves and Instabilities (1986). Editor & co-author of Plasma Physics Applied (2006). Contributing author of Advances in Space Plasma Physics (1985), Trends in Geophysics Research 2 (1993), Recent Research Developments in Plasmas (2000), Power in Focus (2004).

 
At 05 June, 2010 21:21, Anonymous Vern said...

Sorry this isn't specifically relevant to the video above but I've been enjoying a lot of videos over at topdocumentaryfilms.com since discovering it a week ago and was sad to see their 9/11 section mostly populated with conspiracy rubbish and lacking the excellent Screw Loose Change. I'd love you to submit the link there so there's a bit more sense on offer. Thanks for refuting all the nonsense and keep up the good work!

 
At 05 June, 2010 21:25, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The observed collapse time of WTC 7 was 6.5 seconds. That is only half a second longer than it would have taken for the top of the building to fall to the ground in a vacuum, and half a second shorter than the falling time of an apple when air resistance is taken into account. ...The great speed of the collapse and the low value of the resistance factor strongly suggest controlled demolition.
---Heikki Kurttila, D.Sc. (Tech.) (Doctor of Technology), Safety Engineer and Accident Analyst, National Safety Technology Authority (TUKES), Finland. Specialist in the investigation of pressure vessel explosion accidents and the impacts of the shock waves caused by them.

 
At 05 June, 2010 21:29, Anonymous Anonymous said...

At the simplest level there is a gross violation of conservation of energy: for the towers to fall at or near free-fall speed, all the stored gravitational energy would have had to be used to accelerate their own mass downward. The same energy can’t be used twice, which is to say that any “work” extracted, for example to pulverize concrete, will slow the collapse by a corresponding amount. In the case of the twin towers even a rough calculation of the amount of energy needed to pulverize all the concrete and gypsum to the very fine dust observed (and without including the energy needed to crumple and deform steel) indicates that it would have far exceeded the entire gravitational potential energy of the structures. As measurements by Cahill have shown, dust particles were mostly <30 microns, with a sizeable fraction smaller than 0.25 micron. Not only is an immense amount of energy needed to break most of the chemical bonds holding the concrete together, but there is no mechanism that can be postulated with only a gravitational collapse that might account for such rapid and complete pulverization. Such a process is almost by definition an explosive event: the almost instantaneous conversion of a slab of concrete into a rapidly expanding cloud of dust. …The obvious question is what does it mean that there was a controlled demolition.
---Jeff King, MD, SB (MIT Science Baccalaureate in Biology and Electrical Engineering), Physician. Former Electrical Engineer

 
At 05 June, 2010 23:04, Anonymous paul w said...

"No steel-framed building has ever collapsed due to fire..."

Note the finish to that sentence is now "...since the collapse of the Towers."

Amazing. All truthers will accept is what happened with steel-framed buildings before and after, but not the event itself.

There's this huge fucking blind spot in the middle, you know, the actual collapse of two gigantic steel-frame buildings.

And, if you bring up the (warning: sarcasm) question about the apparent involvement of planes, you know, that it might just have had some sort of effect, or, goodness me, even a major role in the event, another blind spot clangs down into place.

Planes? What planes?

Apparently, in the truther mindset, the planes impacting into the buildings are of no consequence.

And, they then expect us to take them seriously.

Beyond parody.

Actually, beyond normal fucking thought processes.

It's got to be a psychological imbalance.

(And get 'Anonymous said'...they actually think they're making salient points. This is the best the truthers can do...lol!)

 
At 06 June, 2010 01:49, Anonymous Gost said...

Anonymous, of all the individuals cited in your mindless cut-and-paste jobs above, how many of them have had their "proof of da twoof" accepted for publication in respected peer-reviewed journals?

 
At 06 June, 2010 04:17, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

Anon, why do you keep on puyying up quotes citing retarded people?

I mean you're wasting hours of your time cutting and pasting.

 
At 06 June, 2010 04:33, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

For exaple:

"At the simplest level there is a gross violation of conservation of energy"

What is that insane statement supposed to mean?

It's completely sense free.

"for the towers to fall at or near free-fall speed"

They didn't.

"all the stored gravitational energy would have had to be used to accelerate their own mass downward."

Boy, if I could "store gravitational energy", I'd be the richest man in the world.

Another senseless statement.

"The same energy can’t be used twice,"

Ummmm....ok.

"... which is to say that any “work” extracted, for example to pulverize concrete"

Ooooo, a twooooofer™ boogy man pulled out of thin air: "pulverized concrete"

Sure.

"will slow the collapse by a corresponding amount."

No it won't. That's just.....retarded. Becasue the building fell at free-fall speed, slowed by....nothing, right fucktard?

"In the case of the twin towers even a rough calculation of the amount of energy needed to pulverize all the concrete and gypsum to the very fine dust observed (and without including the energy needed to crumple and deform steel) indicates that it would have far exceeded the entire gravitational potential energy of the structures."

Dude, time to stop doing caculations on the back of envelop, then. Computers are cheap.

"Not only is an immense amount of energy needed to break most of the chemical bonds holding the concrete together"

If it's "dust", chemical bonds weren't broken.

Holy fuck, this guy keeps on getting stooopier and stoooopider.

" but there is no mechanism that can be postulated with only a gravitational collapse that might account for such rapid and complete pulverization."

Try looking at the fucking films.

There are thousands of them available on youtube, aka "twoooofer™ heaven"

"Such a process is almost by definition an explosive event"

Defined by who? You? You don't know the difference between mechanical energy and chemical energy.

"the almost instantaneous conversion of a slab of concrete into a rapidly expanding cloud of dust."

BRRRRRRTTTTTT!!!!

Wrong again fucktard.

Nothing that day was "almost instantaneous"

"…The obvious question is what does it mean that there was a controlled demolition."

It means there was none.

Look, I'm a layman, and if I can pick this retarded marmoset's bullshit apart with no problem it proves

1.) twoooofers™ are a bunch of gullible morons.

2.) this guy, whoever he is, has the scientific acumen of an intestinal parasite.

 
At 06 June, 2010 07:32, Blogger Triterope said...

"Anonymous said...
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Anonymous, would you please just post the link, and quit spamming the board with 9-11 Truther copypasta we've all seen a hundred times already?

 
At 06 June, 2010 07:40, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"...quit spamming the board with 9-11 Truther copypasta we've all seen a hundred times already?"

And like I said, it'll save you hours of effort.

 
At 06 June, 2010 07:51, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous, would you please just post the link, and quit spamming the board with 9-11 Truther copypasta we've all seen a hundred times already?

Triterope: He can't help it. You know how religious nuts memorize scriptures and mumble them quietly? It's the same phenomenon. He's not trying to convey useful data to anybody, he's invoking his gospel. Once one recognizes that Truthers are like any other religious fanatic (i.e., passionate but simple-minded) they're a lot easier to deal with.

 
At 06 June, 2010 09:14, Blogger avicenne said...

" twoooofers™ are a bunch of gullible morons."

As evidenced by some of the comments on the youtube video, eg, " Dr. Jones' 'crimes' are just like those of Galileo and Copernicus." "He is a great American hero."

Yes, this quack is just like Galileo, and thanks to anonymous, we can all consult the important research of Crockett L. Grabbe, editor of Plasma Waves and Instabilities, in the attempt to prove the insane theory that the former leader and his deputy destroyed the WTC.

After all, if Heikki Kurttila, expert in pressure vessel explosion accidents, has gone public, what more do you need? Dick Cheney must be shitting himself. The net's closing in.

 
At 06 June, 2010 10:43, Blogger Pat said...

John "aliens have abducted up to 10% of Americans" Lear? J. Marx "88 years old and drooling" Ayres?

 
At 06 June, 2010 10:46, Blogger Billman said...

I wanna know who the nutbar is that's sending the other nutbars "threats".

Seriously? Steven JONES is getting threats? That implies someone crazier than him... his shit is NOTHING to get upset about. Even the scientific community has largely ignored him and paid no attention to this stuff.

It must be someone from a rival troof faction.

 
At 06 June, 2010 10:48, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Right click / drag / ctrl-c / change windows / ctrl-v

Inside job!

 
At 06 June, 2010 10:49, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Right click / drag / ctrl-c / change windows / ctrl-v

Inside job!

 
At 06 June, 2010 11:48, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

"Forget the fact that his initial thesis, that no steel framed building has ever collapsed from fire does not have any basis in the actual event."

Nor does it have a basis in formal logic. It's in fact a rather doltish observation that no truly educated man would even thing of using, showing once again the difference between someone with an "Education" and someone with true intelligence.

By this infantile logic, nothing can happen because everything must have a fist time. The Titanic didn't sink from hitting ice because no ship that size had ever sunk from hitting ice, well that is until the Titanic.

It's that kind of thing that sounds logical to the lower class of thinking ability and is a WTF moment to us who can think. It's the reason 9/11 truth thing will always fail, it can't draw from the cognitive upper class and has to try and fooled the "Dumb Ass" class who by the nature of being the great suckers born every minute can never have the power or influence to make any meaningful change. They are just the village idiots ripe for being fucked with for shits and giggles.

 
At 06 June, 2010 12:00, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

John Lear? Are you kidding?

He claims that the US government does not only know about aliens, but they caught two live aliens, one of which lived for years on American soil. He also argues that there are numerous kinds of aliens observing and studying us and that many Human vs. Aliens conflicts have occurred over the years. So maybe aliens did 9/11.

Scratch a truther and find the kook within.

You have to realize guys like Anonymous understand little of what they read, if he did he would see the holes in the hypothesis put out by these crack pots. To Anonymous it sounds impressive because the use terms and word he hasn’t the brain power to comprehend.

 
At 06 June, 2010 14:08, Blogger Triterope said...

Right click / drag / ctrl-c / change windows / ctrl-v

Inside job!


Wow. We could replace 9-11 Truthers with a macro.

 
At 06 June, 2010 14:09, Blogger Triterope said...

You know how religious nuts memorize scriptures and mumble them quietly? It's the same phenomenon. He's not trying to convey useful data to anybody, he's invoking his gospel.

Good point. But it's still tedious reading.

 
At 06 June, 2010 16:50, Blogger avicenne said...

"It must be someone from a rival troof faction."

They'll destroy themselves through internecine bullshit!Self-implosion! The tragedy of it. Jones was getting close, real close. His analysis of the red-gray chip samples was about to cause the mother of all shitstorms.

It's clear what's going on here. A shape-shifting lizard assumed the form of an internet stalker and sent the threatening emails.

This is our most desperate hour. Help us, Dr Jones. You're our only hope. You were the guardian of peace and justice in the Republic... before the dark times... before the empire.

 
At 06 June, 2010 17:00, Blogger ConsDemo said...

Blubber butt Jones got a fat severance from BYU, which just wanted to get rid of him. So, like Grifter, he draws his retirement check while he goes around slandering his country with dishonest and stupid conspiracy theories and then, like all other twoofers, feels sorry for himself. If these nutfucks were in the lands of those they want to exonerate slandering their compatriots the way they do here, they'd be roasting in an open fire.

 
At 07 June, 2010 08:21, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

More whiny slop from the Debunker Cult.First it's Dopedup and Trite with his "heard it a hundred times" malarkey.That is the definition of insanity,isn't it? You heard it a hundred times and you reject it on what grounds? Those are all qualified science people aren't they? Tedium thy name is Cult Whackjob.And of course,the ridiculous ConnedDumbo chirps in with a "you're slandering our country" garbage.Gotta admire your chutzpah! As you take a cut and pasting you whine,moan and shriek with the best of them! Better stick to weeding the Jew haters out of the millions of "truthers" world wide.

 
At 07 June, 2010 11:51, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Wow. We could replace 9-11 Truthers with a macro."

You know, I've always had my suspicions about arseholio.....

 
At 07 June, 2010 11:51, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"the Debunker Cult"

Holy shit, I was right!

 
At 07 June, 2010 15:58, Blogger Triterope said...

You know, I've always had my suspicions about arseholio.....

Nah, he's more like a random number generator.

 
At 07 June, 2010 16:11, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Nah, he's more like a random number generator."

But compared to arseholio, a set of random numbers makes sense.

 
At 07 June, 2010 16:37, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The ArseHooligan whines, "...Tedium thy name is Cult Whackjob."

[Face palm]

So tell us, ArseHooligan, how's the weather in the Persistent State of Lunacy?

 
At 09 June, 2010 09:50, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Face palm? You? When you can scrape up bus fare to NYC,let me know.I'll even throw in a couple of yankee tickets for you and your attendant.

 
At 09 June, 2010 12:28, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Don't make me laugh, ArseHooligan.

After all, I make more money in a month than you make in a year.

 
At 09 June, 2010 16:37, Blogger Billman said...

A yankee game with Arhoolie? Hell, that doesn't sound too bad. I'll tag along with GuitarBill, and can all bitch about free fall while watching a Yankee game. What's more american than that?

 
At 11 June, 2010 10:52, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

"The Clairvoyant Git" by Paddy Shorthairs and JoggingJamesB the Huffin' Puffin' Boob.A cute little fairy tale for the fiction crowd.The protagonist,a weasely verbose Yuppie schmuck tells his Mom that he knows everything about everything
and he's the smartest boy in the playground.His Mom says,"you sure are,sonny,don't let anything shut you up,you go get'em honey".

 
At 11 June, 2010 11:07, Blogger Billman said...

Jesus Christ, Arhoolie. Now even I am beginning to wonder if you are sane enough to type anymore. What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

 
At 11 June, 2010 11:53, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The ArseHooligan whines, "..."The Clairvoyant Git" by Paddy Shorthairs and JoggingJamesB the Huffin' Puffin' Boob.A cute little fairy tale for the fiction crowd.The protagonist,a weasely verbose Yuppie schmuck...[blah, blah, blah]."

Another 100% fact-free non-response from the dead-from-the-neck-up club.

 

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