Jon Gold's Excellent Commission
Buried in a long profile of Gold in a Philly "alternative" weekly:
"It has to be away from the government. There has to be subpoena power, people have to be put under oath, which George Bush and Dick Cheney refused to do. I don't know, maybe an international body of some kind. It can't take place in D.C."
Well, now we know why Jon and Brian never answered the question in a recent thread of what sort of new commission would satisfy them. Don't you just love that? Here's a guy who's dedicated 10 years of his life to a movement and when asked what he wants he has only a vague idea. "I don't know, maybe an international body of some kind."
Here's a clue, Jon. Subpoena power and under oath mean the government, because each comes with an explicit "or else" attached: under penalty of arrest and prosecution.
I'll allow comments on this thread.
Labels: 9-11 Investigation, Jon Gold
posted by Pat @ 10:25 AM
56 comments
56 Comments:
I'd like to see Jon Gold and his crackpot lawyer try some of their antics in the International War Crimes Court in the Hague. Those judges don't take kindly to bullshit.
Pat seems to forget (purposefully of course because he's just dishonest) the effort in 2004 to get Atty Gen. Eliot Spitzer to open an investigation, the effort in 2005 to get the United Nations to do it, the NYC Ballot Initiative that, if passed, would have created a commission. None of these efforts have panned out. Hence, "I don't know." I'm sure if the family members or someone manages to build a credible lawsuit, we may see something in a court room.
I'm sure if the family members or someone manages to build a credible lawsuit, we may see something in a court room.
Why is there so much difficulty in building a credible lawsuit?
"Why is there so much difficulty in building a credible lawsuit?"
C'mon, it's only been 10 years. It takes time to put together a credible lawsuit. What do you think, you can just get a couple of lawyers together and file one?
Sheesh.
Not hard at all. They have to be willing to go through with it. Despite Elena Kagan and Obama's latest setback regarding the lawsuit against the Saudis, the families are still trying to make that happen.
You guys don't really care though. As far as you're concerned, the cover-ups, lies, compromised and corrupt investigations are all ok.
So... keep on being dishonest Pat. It's what you do best.
Not hard at all. They have to be willing to go through with it.
If there's all this credible evidence against the Bush Administration, why would family members be unwilling to go through with a lawsuit?
Hmm, Jon, last I checked the state of New York was in fact part of the government....
Are you really that idiotic? Just like the families asked for before the 9/11 Commission... people OUTSIDE of the beltway. People who aren't controlled by the White House or special interests.
You don't want it to be part of the government, but maybe New York State or New York City will do. Oh, that not part of the government.
... people OUTSIDE of the beltway. People who aren't controlled by the White House or special interests.
It would help your credibility if you could suggest a body that meets that criteria, would be qualified to undertake such an investigation, and would have jurisdiction over the parties. "I don't know, it's somebody else's problem" indicates you haven't given it much thought.
Pat the Punkass has some gall to bitch about other people not answering his questions, when he's been a coward for years about sourcing his own ridiculous, anti-scientific assertions about the sources of iron in the dust.
What a dick.
Pat seems to forget (purposefully of course because he's just dishonest)
Truthers, don't ya love 'em?
Everyone but them are liars.
Beyond parody.
You guys don't really care though. As far as you're concerned, the cover-ups, lies, compromised and corrupt investigations are all ok.
Proof, Jon?
(And so, the merry-go-round continues)
Punkass...bitch...coward...ridiculous...anti-scientific...iron in the dust...dick.
Two truthers post, one displays his inability to understand what 'government' actually means (and calls everyone a liar), while the other displays his acute mental prowess for all to see.
To repeat, beyond parody.
OT:
Interview with the last survivor pulled from the rubble of the World Trade Centre.
Tons of material for truthers to quote mine and take out of context.
http://www.abc.net.au/local/sites/conversations/?ref=banner
Pat Cowardly wrote, "...iron in the dust...[blah][blah][blah]."
I've already explained the source of the "iron in the dust"--you idiot.
Perhaps you'll take a moment to exaplain the iron between your ears.
By the way, idiot, my explanation for the source of the "iron in the dust" was confirmed by Chris Mohr.
And no, I refuse to post a link to Chris Mohr's video (go look it up yourself, genius). After all, it's not like you plan to actually watch the video. Besides, everyone knows that "9/11 truthers" have a pathological aversion to all evidence that proves they're wrong.
Jon Gold squeals, "...Are you really that idiotic? Just like the families asked for before the 9/11 Commission... people OUTSIDE of the beltway. People who aren't controlled by the White House or special interests."
As opposed to what--you grossly obese liar? People who are controlled by your uncle Ayman Al-Zawahiri?
UtterFail, do you have any actual evidence supporting your theory that fly ash containing iron microspheres was used in the WTC concrete.
Are you ever going to understand why the NRDC's claim was absurd that all 424,000 tons of WTC concrete was pulverized?
Are you really that idiotic? Just like the families asked for before the 9/11 Commission... people OUTSIDE of the beltway. People who aren't controlled by the White House or special interests.
That's just sad, Jon. You actually have the audacity to insult everyone's intelligence after saying something so ridiculous? You clearly don't know much about politics if you think the state of New York couldn't be influenced (or "controlled", as you put it) by the White House or special interest groups.
Brian Good shows up and I suddenly become unconstipated.
Coincidence....or not?
Goat fucker,
You won't answer my questions.
So why should I answer your questions or respond to your lies?
Go fuck yourself--you lying degenerate.
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Brian Good shows up and I suddenly become unconstipated.
LOL!
On a more a serious note, another lefty gatekeeper disses da twoof.
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Max wrote, "...Brian Good shows up and I suddenly become unconstipated.
"Coincidence....or not?"
Answer: Because as any competent chemist will attest, like dissolves like.
%^)
Hey Jon, why not ask the Thai government to have a commission? They lost an embassy at the WTC on 9/11, they have a robust intelligence service, and can be counted on to be honest.
Or could it be that they've already looked into the matter and found nothing.
Ever notice that whenever Jon posts something he sticks around for 2 or 3 replies and then leaves when he's been drastically called out on his bullshit?
Just a pattern I noticed. I'm sure it means nothing.
Jon, the U.S. can flat out ignore pretty much any ruling the United Nations wants to deal out. We've done it before.
Ever notice that whenever Jon posts something he sticks around for 2 or 3 replies and then leaves when he's been drastically called out on his bullshit?
Just a pattern I noticed. I'm sure it means nothing.
And it's always after he's used a blanket statement to call everyone here a liar or somehow involved in the coverup.
For example: On August 25th at 11:49:
You guys don't really care though. As far as you're concerned, the cover-ups, lies, compromised and corrupt investigations are all ok.
So... keep on being dishonest Pat. It's what you do best.
Just a pattern I noticed. I'm sure it means nothing
Lol!
It's good to see Martin Sheen has apparently come to his senses after nibbling on da twoof a few years ago.
He'll be narrating a documentary on 9/11 that will be shown next week.
Smithsonian Channel delivers a sturdy, powerful wrap-up with “9/11: Day That Changed the World,” which airs Sept. 5. This one feels the most complete, with a mix of footage, audio recordings and an unflinching look at the events, mixed with interviews with key players, including Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Clarke and Rudy Giuliani. (It is narrated, oddly enough, by Martin Sheen, whose job during Sept. 11 was to play fictional Democratic President Jed Bartlet on “The West Wing,” whom certain viewers came to regard as balm in a parallel universe of alterna-politics.)
Too bad his son is still a dishonest America-hating scumbag.
So CD, am I to understand that you are not ashamed of America's behavior in the last 10 years?
Comments are back. Cool. So anyone see that nutbag Kevin Barrett had a prima donna tantrum about Shilligan's Island?
This one's funny
"Shilligan"
(It is narrated, oddly enough, by Martin Sheen, whose job during Sept. 11 was to play fictional Democratic President Jed Bartlet on “The West Wing,” whom certain viewers came to regard as balm in a parallel universe of alterna-politics.
The West Wing was one of the greatest shows of all-time.
So CD, am I to understand that you are not ashamed of America's behavior in the last 10 years?
That is very revealing statement, snuggy.
In any case, I have my share of disagreements with American foreign policy, both before and after 9/11. However, there isn't a shred of credible evidence that this country attacked itself on 9/11, so I have no use for the twoof movement. At best it is a distraction, fortunately, not enough people buy into it to matter. However, it is an excuse for some who might otherwise offer useful criticisms of American actions to wallow in ideologically convenient bs.
Because everyone knows the men who would kill thousands of people , would NEVER lie under oath . Honestly , I thought da birthers would drive da troof tards away .
OT:
A radio interview with:
James Meigs, editor-in-chief of Popular Mechanics magazine.
Jonathan Kay, author of Among the Truthers: A Journey Through America’s Growing Conspiracist Underground.
Kevin Ryan, co-editor of the Journal of 9/11 Studies. Board director at Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.
Have not heard it yet, but the nutbars at 911oz are calling it a hit piece, which means it must be about reality.
http://onpoint.wbur.org/2011/08/25/conspiracy-theories-and-the-sept-11-terrorist-attacks
CD, I asked you a specific question. I didn't ask if you agree with current foreign policy or if you think the government attacked the USA on 9/11. I asked if you were not ashamed of your country.
Paul w, the program is a real hoot. Meiggs is such a turkey! He doesn't know the dimensions of the perimeter columns of the twin towers and he thinks the core was built of concrete! This is your scientific expert? Hell, that clown makes UtterFail look like a "genious".
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The cretin who pisses on the formal rules of debate squeals, "...CD, I asked you a specific question."
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You're absolutely shameless, goat fucker.
Don't you have a troofer to stalk or molest?
The Goat Fucker--9/11 Sex Stalker Unmasked.
The goat fucker squeals, "...Paul w, the program is a real hoot. Meiggs is such a turkey! He doesn't know the dimensions of the perimeter columns of the twin towers and he thinks the core was built of concrete! This is your scientific expert?"
Says the cretin who thinks the symbol for acceleration (g) represents a "velocity."
You're absolutely shameless, goat fucker.
"...What a maroon." -- Bugs Bunny
I take that back. Meiggs is "branelous" but he's a "geneous" next to UtterFail.
UtterFail, you're the one that confused the expression for a constant velocity (m/2s) with the expression for an acceleration (m/s^2). You're simply trying to sow confusion to cover up your ignorance.
That's right, goat fucker, continue to lie like a rug, while anyone who can read will know that I proved you're an idiot with this post.
Arrogant, dishonest and an idiot. What a wonderful combination.
Is it any wonder that your parents disowned you?
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Fuck me drunk, GB, why cannot you just ignore the guy?
You've made your point. We get it.
He never will. Deal with it.
"In the decade since 9/11, investigations by journalists and government commissions have explored the many missed opportunities to prevent bin Laden’s attacks.
Overall, it is the story of a catastrophic failure to connect the dots. One can argue—and many have—that the connections emerge more visibly in retrospect than they ever did as events themselves unfolded.
But the affair of the Afghan cell-phone network—put on hold until time ran out—falls into a category by itself. It was a course of action whose value and urgency were acknowledged by everyone, but it was impeded nonetheless.
The cell-phone plan “was one tool we could have put in Afghanistan that could have made a difference,” a former C.I.A. official says. “Why didn’t we put it in? Because we couldn’t fucking agree.”
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/09/preventing-9-11-201109
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snug.bug said...
CD, I asked you a specific question...I asked if you were not ashamed of your country.
My my, you do seem to be a bit uptight, snuggy. However, since it is so important for you to know, the answer is I am not ashamed of my country. In any case, what does that have to do with Martin Sheen narrating the documentary?
Too bad his son is still a dishonest America-hating scumbag.
After the whole "Tiger Blood" thing, I feel like 9/11 truth is just a symptom of brain damage from excessive cocaine use.
So CD, am I to understand that you are not ashamed of America's behavior in the last 10 years?
Relative to what? I prefer the behavior of Americans now to that of Americans 100 years ago, when a black man could be lynched for looking at a white woman wrong, and 8 year old children worked in coal mines.
I wouldn't have expected you to consider these things, given that you're too stupid to mop floors and that you believe in invisible widows and magic thermite elves, but you're really setting yourself up to be pwn3d when you ask such idiotic questions, Brian.
Also, Brian, I was in San Francisco this past week on vacation. I was looking for you in order to have a debate, but there are so many homeless people in the city that I gave up trying to figure out which one was you. Plus, I had my girlfriend with me and I don't need her to suffer the way Carol Brouillet has suffered because of you.
"Ian said...
Also, Brian, I was in San Francisco this past week on vacation. I was looking for you in order to have a debate, but there are so many homeless people in the city that I gave up trying to figure out which one was you. Plus, I had my girlfriend with me and I don't need her to suffer the way Carol Brouillet has suffered because of you.
30 August, 2011 17:25"
How has Carol suffered?
How has Carol suffered?
She has been subjected to endless harassment from Brian, who is obsessed with her and wants to wreck her marriage.
Ian, you live in a fantasy world. And a mighty gray and impoverished one it is, too.
"Ian said...
How has Carol suffered?
She has been subjected to endless harassment from Brian, who is obsessed with her and wants to wreck her marriage.
31 August, 2011 18:36"
Link? That is not to a Holocaust denier blog?
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