Tell Me They're Kidding
Box Boy Gage and his crew of idiots are convinced that this is the year:
Now we’re at a turning point, thanks to years of grassroots outreach, and with your help, are finally ready to “Tip the Planet.”And so, for the next couple of weeks, they are having a contest to come up with the slogan that will galvanize people to send more money to Richard Gage. But, and here's the best part, even if you cannot come up with a slogan, or donate, money:
Fast forward to September:
For the entire month… a single message appears all around the world – on billboards, subways, and highway overpasses… On lawns, office windows, storefronts, bulletin boards, tee shirts, bumper stickers, and even televised sporting events… On Facebook, Twitter, YouTube… In places like New York City, Washington, D.C., Woburn Massachusetts, La Mesa California, Tokyo, Madrid, Montreal, Buenos Aires, London – and countless other cities…
This is the concept behind Operation Tip the Planet, the first-ever global 9/11 Truth anniversary event. Be sure your city is included!
Not a creative type? No worries. Help out by voting on April 1st!Yep, the voting takes place on April Fools' Day. How appropriate is that? Oh, and lest you think that he's really going to have a huge war chest to spend on advertising, get this bit:
With your support, we’ve already raised close to $100,000 in matching funds, almost half of the $200,000 we need for our billboard, subway, and grassroots-to-global multi-city campaign!Read that carefully. They have $100,000 in matching funds, which means they only get that money if they can raise $100,000 in other funds. Somehow I think they're going to fall a little short. Looking at Box Boy's upcoming events, be sure to see him in Las Vegas at the prestigious Las Vegas Hookah Lounge, next Friday.
posted by Pat @ 9:39 PM
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Slogan Ideas:
9/11 Truth - Every day is April Fool's Day.
Ten years of falling in our own footprint.
No theory to crazy, no actual fact solid enough, and no Jews.
De-Krunk Yo!
Did you hear the one about the joke with no punch line?
9/11 Truth, it was an inside job and we're the reach around.
Do you have a boyfriend? Can I touch your boob?
New York is a State, New York is a city, but paranoia is also a state, but not yet a city.
Richard Gage is like some college freshman who just discovered Malcolm Gladwell. How long before they add that ridiculous 100 monkey thing again?
Slogan Ideas:
JuggerNOT.
Let's submit a slogan and vote on it!
"Google: 'Brian Good Sex Stalker'"
And then, in places like New York, DC, Tokyo, Madrid, Montreal, Buenos Aires, and London, people can find out that Brian Good is a mentally ill unemployed janitor who was kicked out of the truth movement for being a liar and sex predator.
Other people can enjoy his humiliation as much as we do!
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Ian, your remarks are libelous.
Pat and James, please identify Ian's legal counsel.
I've always wondered why and your buddies here tolerate Ian's blatant and STOOPID lies with no comment. It seems that truth is not high in your priority of values.
Holy crap I just Googled Brian Good Sex Stalker and got 1,680,000 hits!
James b sex stalker gets 32 million.
M. Gregory Ferris sex stalker gets 4 million hits.
Guitar Bill sex stalker gets 89 million hits.
Ian sex stalker gets 99 million hits
Poor Brian. He's hysterical over my endless humiliation of him.
Let's see...
"Brian Good homeless mullet" gives 5.7 million results.
"Brian Good failed janitor" gives 75 million results(!)
"Brian Good liar" gives 6.9 million results.
"Brian Good banned" gives 21 million results.
"Brian Good modified attack baboons" gives 4.5 million results.
And the best, "Brian Good women's underwear" gives....drumroll please....148 million results!
You're proving my point, Ian.
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And "William Rodriguez" and "hero" gets 55,000 hits.
Yup, many people know that Willie Rodriguez is a hero (I mean, that's why you lust for his hot body, right Brian?), but far more know that you are a failed janitor who was banned from the truth movement for being a liar.
"Brian Good banned" gives us lots of hilarious links. The first page alone tells us Brian has been banned from 911oz, The Northern California 9/11 Truth Alliance, Truthaction, Wikipedia, CIT, and Truth and Shadows.
It's hilarious how the truth movement wants nothing to do with you, Brian. They're quite happy to have Kevin Barrett as a member, but not you. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!
Ian, where did you get the idea that I lust over Old Jigglecheeks?
What makes you think I failed at being a janitor?
I don't remember being banned from the truth movement for being a liar. What did I lie about and when?
I pissed a lot of people off when I exposed Willie Rodriguez as a liar and a fraud, when I exposed Kevin Barrett as a liar and a bigot and an advocate of violence, and when I exposed the CIT enterprise as irrational goofiness and its supporters as cyber-goons.
What makes you think Barrett is a member of the Truth Movement? I haven't seen any indication of that in a long time. What makes you think I'm not? I appear at truth movement events locally and never get any bad vibes. I spoke with Carol Brouillet a week or so ago. She was nice as pie.
Speaking of old jigglecheeks, how do you guys feel about him now?
He said 9/5/12 here "I distanced myself from many of my original beliefs after meeting so many experts," and "Sorry Len Colby, I do remember you from years ago when I was believing every theory out there."
And then a few months later he went to Iran and repeated his "exploshuns!" basement story. How do ya'all feel about that?
Blowing the lid off the truth or something:
Luke's Change: An Inside Job.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dvv-Yib1Xg
So many questions...
Poor Brian. He's hysterical because he's been banned from the truth movement, and because the man of his dreams, Willie Rodriguez, rejected him.
Here's a slogan for them:
"Ask us about our official report that 9/11 was an Inside Job. We don't have one but we'll be sure to get one."
Ian, where did you get the idea that Old Jigglecheeks is the man of my dreams?
Ian, where did you get the idea that Old Jigglecheeks is the man of my dreams?
You have a photo of him as your avatar, which is like how my Facebook profile photo is of me and my fiancee.
You constantly spam the internet with your obsessed thoughts about him.
You called him a "strutting, lying, bragging, fabulous latin dream" on this blog.
So obviously, you're homosexually obsessed with the man. I mean, it's understandable that you thought he was a hero and a hunk, and when you found out he was dabbling in troof, your heart went aflutter. Alas, he rejected you (can't imagine why he wouldn't want to be with an unemployed janitor who lives with his parents and sports a hideous homeless mullet haircut), so, being the obsessed lunatic you are, you began to stalk him all over the internet.
And that's where we find ourselves today. Just as you can't get over the fact that 9/11 truth is dead, you can't get over the fact that Rodriguez rejected you.
I created a photoshopped pin-head-Willie as my avatar when one of Willie's sock-puppets used a photoshopped pin-head picture of me as his avatar. And it worked. The sock-puppet removed the avatar and then disappeared.
I'm just too lazy to remove my Willie avatar now.
I don't constantly spam the internet with thoughts of Willie. I give him very little thought. We're only discussing him now because you brought him up on March 17 in another thread when you alleged that I have a "homosexual obsession with Willie Rodriguez."
You lie when you claim I called Willie a "strutting, lying, bragging, fabulous latin dream". It would be culturally insensitive of me to call him "fabulous".
I did call him a strutting, lying, braggart.
9/11 Truth will never be dead until we have 9/11 Truth. History will answer the questions that you strive to keep hidden.
9/11 Truth will never be dead until we have 9/11 Truth.
LOL and 12 yrs later you still haven't found the truth cause you deny it all the time. 12 yrs running and still being an idiot.
The only thing the Twoof Movement's gonna accomplish is getting into the guinness world records as being the most dedicated fringe group in history as having the most failures in any social group known to the world.
Be proud to know that you've dedicated your life to nothing for nothing and you'll get nothing in return.
If I deny it, it ain't truth.
How come so many people are singing the exact same tune: The government won't answer your questions and therefore you're stupid for asking them.
It's an irrational argument, and it's very dangerous in a democracy.
But rationality and democracy mean nothing to you, right TAW? You've got what you want, and who cares what the widows want, right?
Brian has finally figured it out, we have what we want and nobody cares about his "widows" or what they want!
Also, Brian, your pathetic squealing about "democracy", I have a good quote for you:
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
Brian is an ignorant unemployed janitor with serious mental health issues, but because we live in a democracy, he expects the government to pay attention to his insane ravings as if they're just as good as the work of serious scientists.
I created a photoshopped pin-head-Willie as my avatar when one of Willie's sock-puppets used a photoshopped pin-head picture of me as his avatar. And it worked. The sock-puppet removed the avatar and then disappeared.
I'm just too lazy to remove my Willie avatar now.
I don't constantly spam the internet with thoughts of Willie. I give him very little thought. We're only discussing him now because you brought him up on March 17 in another thread when you alleged that I have a "homosexual obsession with Willie Rodriguez."
You lie when you claim I called Willie a "strutting, lying, bragging, fabulous latin dream". It would be culturally insensitive of me to call him "fabulous".
I did call him a strutting, lying, braggart.
9/11 Truth will never be dead until we have 9/11 Truth. History will answer the questions that you strive to keep hidden.
Look at Brian, babbling pathetically about Willie Rodriguez. I guess he can't talk about anything else because 9/11 truth is dead.
But rationality and democracy mean nothing to you, right TAW? You've got what you want, and who cares what the widows want, right?
Politics can kiss my proud American ass & you can too. You care about what I KNOW, the widows (Jersey Girls) had their commission and got their questions answered.
So you lose yet again Watson.
Ian, I can talk about a lot of things other than Wizzie LiedRugAs, but when you accuse me of being homosexually infatuated with a fat conman who lives with a dog named Elvis, I'm going to point out that Willie stole his hero story from a true hero who died on 9/11, while Willie's hero story is almost all lies. I'm also going to point out that after claiming that he had disavowed the truth movement and all the conspiracy stuff, he went to Iran to tell his "exploshuns!" story yet again.
TAW,thanks for making yourself clear. You're a proud nationalist with contempt for democracy--in other words, a neofascist.
How can you claim that the widows got their questions answered when they only got 27 answers to 300 questions?
Ian, I can talk about a lot of things other than Wizzie LiedRugAs, but when you accuse me of being homosexually infatuated with a fat conman who lives with a dog named Elvis, I'm going to point out that Willie stole his hero story from a true hero who died on 9/11, while Willie's hero story is almost all lies. I'm also going to point out that after claiming that he had disavowed the truth movement and all the conspiracy stuff, he went to Iran to tell his "exploshuns!" story yet again.
Nobody cares about your homosexual obsession with Rodriguez.
TAW,thanks for making yourself clear. You're a proud nationalist with contempt for democracy--in other words, a neofascist.
Squeal squeal squeal!
How can you claim that the widows got their questions answered when they only got 27 answers to 300 questions?
The widows have no questions.
I don't see how anybody, straight or gay, could be sexually obsessed with the saggy manboob, Old Jigglecheeks the broken down ex-con artist. He had to go to Iran to find a gig. Next stop, North Korea! What next? Mars?
The widows have 273 questions to the 9/11 Commission outstanding. They also have many questions about the Behrooz Sarshar story. What makes you lie about the victims of 9/11? What is wrong with you? Have you no sense of decency?
TAW,thanks for making yourself clear. You're a proud nationalist with contempt for democracy--in other words, a neofascist.
Wow, just wow. In order to prove that I'm not a "neofascist" aka Neo-Nazi, I do admit that the Holocaust against the Jews did take place and that millions of people were slaughtered by a madman naamed Hitler.
So much for your imaginary "neofascist".
How can you claim that the widows got their questions answered when they only got 27 answers to 300 questions?
27 questions are still questions retard.
You don't like to fact that you're debunking yourself with the "widows didn't get their questions answered" thing. You're absolutely clueless that you're effectively debunking yourself everytime you comment about their questions.
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TAW, holocaust denial is not fashionable among the neo-fascists. Your litmus test is all wrong. Your contempt for democracy is clear. Your militaristic zeal is clear.
Are you proud of the achievements of our brave joystick-jockies, killing woman and children in 5 countries?
I never denied that questions are questions. You did. You said "The widows (Jersey Girls) had their commission and got their questions answered."
27 answers for 300 questions is not getting their questions answered.
You might as well claim "Yes, I fed the goldfish! I fed them 6 months ago! And then they stopped eating. I guess they're not hungry. They're sleeping. Stop bugging me!"
TAW, holocaust denial is not fashionable among the neo-fascists. Your litmus test is all wrong. Your contempt for democracy is clear. Your militaristic zeal is clear.
My concept is to prove that you have no zeal for history based subjects.
I will support war if it's the right thing to do but I'm not a warmonger as you claim me to be.
Do you support our countries troops? Do you want justice for the 9/11 Victims? If so is your militaristic is quite clear but for all the wrong reasons and pointed at the wrong people. You want to see America burn and you want genocide. It's quite clear what you want but can't get cause you're stuck behind a computer.
27 answers for 300 questions is not getting their questions answered.
LOL Still debunking yourself. Man it must really suck being you.
Are you proud of the achievements of our brave joystick-jockies, killing woman and children in 5 countries?
Irrelevent question since 9/11 inspired people to join the Military service.
And nice way how you're dodging the whole widows questions debate with me.
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Brian had a tough time coming up with a lousy comeback and ended up successfully doing it a 3rd time.
He still likes debunking himself about those widows questions. Hilarious!
NWOR. I posted multiple versions because I was having such fun with your starved goldfish that you claimed you fed that I just kept making it better and better.
"How come so many people are singing the exact same tune: The government won't answer your questions and therefore you're stupid for asking them."
The government answered your questions. Not all of the widows questions were based in fact and those couldn't be answered any more than the government can answer questions about UFOs.
The NIST report only went as far as the beginning of the collapse because, as Jefferson wrote, the rest is self evident.
Just because you and a handful of nutters don't get it does not require a new investigation.
The best example of this is the Titanic. It struck an iceberg and sank. It was supposed to have state of the art, water tight doors that made it unsinkable, yet it went right to the bottom of the Atlantic, and it went faster than it should have.
Conspiracy?
Yes and no.
Since the Titanic's wreck was located in 1986 research has been done to understand the damage that sank it. They found the rivets were a cheap casting causing them to pop on impact. Some allege that the builders bought cheap rivets to save money although at this point nobody can prove anyone knew.
The other
"essential question" was why it broke in half. A huge section of hull plating was found a half mile from the hull where the expansion joint failed. A subsequent dive on the Titanic's sister ship, Brittanic revealed changes had been made at the expansion joint as a result of the Titanic's loss.
While all of this is fascinating, none of it changes the initial story. The Titanic sank after striking an iceberg.
Guess what, they could open 50 new official investigations into each aspect of 9/11, and while some interesting things will come to light, the fact is that the over all picture stays the same. 19 hijackers took control of 4 767s and flew them into the WTC, Pentagon, and crashed one into Shanksville as the passengers fought to retake their plane.
Period.
MGF, the government has not answered the widows' 273 questions, and NIST has failed to address the ten essential mysteries of the WTC collapses. If you knew anything about 9/11, you would know that.
Which of the widows' questions were not based in fact? You make stuff up.
What happened to the WTC may be self-evident to the complacent, but to those of us who remember the heat of fusion from Chem 1A it involves many mysteries that NIST dodged. NIST's objective was to explain "why and how" the towers collapses, and they have admitted that they can't explain how. The ten essential mysteries of the towers' collapses all take place after NIST cut off its analysis and remain unexplained.
Your comparison with the Titanic is strained and inept. The Titanic was "unsinkable" only under a very sheltered set of conditions. Why should there be any question about why it broke in half? When it lifted its stern into the air it was subject to cantilever stresses for which it was not designed.
The WTC was designed to be hit by a four-engine 707 jetliner traveling at 600 mph. It's design was so robust that NIST had to assume a worst-case core damage scenario to get their model to collapse at all. They considered estimates of 1, 3, and 6 severed core columns reasonable. They chose 6 because 1 and 3 did not generate a collapse in their model.
You keep claiming that you can fortune-tell the results of a new investigation when you're not even well-informed about the investigation we have. Pray tell, how did 19 guys with box cutters manage to create melted steel at Ground Zero when jet fuel can not melt steel?
Yeah, Brian's pretty much butt hurt about the whole debunking himself with the widows questions. Hilarious!
I didn't debunk myself. The widows' 300 questions got only 27 answers. For you to claim that their questions were answered is as silly as trying to tell your landlord that when $27 covers your $300 rent.
You guys are reduced to making obviously absurd arguments because you can't marshal the facts to make an argument that's not absurd.
I didn't debunk myself.
Actually you did, first you said that they never got their questions answered and then you said that they got 27 of them answered.
Still butt hurt Brian?
You guys are reduced to making obviously absurd arguments because you can't marshal the facts to make an argument that's not absurd.
And you're held responsible for Phillip Marshall's death, you're just as guilty cause you like putting fear into peoples minds and they kill family members and shoot up museums. Thanks alot you dick!
They never got their 273 questions answered.
How am I putting fear into people's minds?
"Your comparison with the Titanic is strained and inept. The Titanic was "unsinkable" only under a very sheltered set of conditions."
Yes, just as the Twin Towers were supposed to not fall down, until the did.
" Why should there be any question about why it broke in half? When it lifted its stern into the air it was subject to cantilever stresses for which it was not designed."
Guess what, dipshit, until 1986 the eye-witness reports of the ship breaking in two were disregarded by Titanic "experts". The only ones who paid attention was Harlen and Wolff, the builders of the ship, who recalled the Britannic back into drydock for a retrofit. Everyone else went with the "official story" that the ship sank in one piece.
"The WTC was designed to be hit by a four-engine 707 jetliner traveling at 600 mph. "
Obviously it was not. In the eleven years since the attack nobody at the design firm can show how they even calculated this. They certainly never modeled it, and it's obvious their calculations were wrong. Had a 707 flown into one of the towers the day after it opened it would have come down then.
"It's design was so robust that NIST had to assume a worst-case core damage scenario to get their model to collapse at all. They considered estimates of 1, 3, and 6 severed core columns reasonable. They chose 6 because 1 and 3 did not generate a collapse in their model."
Take a wild guess why they assumed a worst case scenario. If anything they under-modeled the damage. (Yes, I've read it.)
"You keep claiming that you can fortune-tell the results of a new investigation when you're not even well-informed about the investigation we have."
We know 95%. More than we know about many other historic events.
" Pray tell, how did 19 guys with box cutters manage to create melted steel at Ground Zero when jet fuel can not melt steel?"
There was no melted steel. It buckled due to the heat causing each collapse, but you already know this. You are just a troll. A lonely troll.
They never got their 273 questions answered.
And they never will cause they're not important.
Brian's running out of ideas. He just uses the same stupid boring theories over and over again. He's just a repetitive little shit who doesn't have a goal in mind other than to be an annoying little shit that just won't flush down the toilet.
MGF, you're proving my point that your comparison of the WTC to the Titanic is strained and inept. The Titanic was "unsinkable" only under a very sheltered set of conditions that did not include breaching of multiple wells. The towers were designed to take a hit from a 4-engine 707 jetliner at 600 mph, and the chief engineer, John Skilling, said they were survive the subsequent fires as well.
Who cares what Titanic "experts" disregarded? Who were these experts, and what were their qualifications? The fact that the builder took the report seriously shows that the real engineers knew that breaking in half was a perfectly reasonable proposition.
It's not at all obvious that the WTC was not designed to take a hit from a 4-engine jetliner at 600 mph. For WTC1 NIST regarded a range of core damage estimates as reasonable: 1 column severed, 3 columns severed, and 6 columns severed. When lower reasonable estimates failed to generate a collapse in their model, they decided on the most extreme estimate. They did so because they needed to engage in unscientific reverse-engineering to get the results they were supposed to get.
Upon what expert evaluation or what analysis do you base your estimate that we know 95% of what happened on 9/11? Your belief that there was no melted steel is ludicrous. Was Dr. Astaneh-Asl lying? Was Dr. James Glanz lying? Was Dr. Ahmed Ghoniem lying? Was Dr. Edward Malloy lying? Was Dr. Alison Geyh lying? Was Captain Philip Ruvolo, FDNY, lying?
Why would they lie?
TAW, upon what analysis do you base your opinion that the widows' questions are not important. Can you name one question in particular among the 273 that you consider unimportant?
What theory am I repeating, TAW? The widows' unanswered questions don't comprise a theory. They're a fact. That NIST gave us only half a report is not a theory. It's a fact.
What happened to Old Jigglecheeks, anyway? I thought he wanted to debate. He ran away screaming and crying, and I haven't heard from him.
I see the clown jester of the idiot class Brian Good still does not understand the simple logical concept that questions are not proof.
So Brian, did yo become mentally challenged by an accident? or was to just by bad genes?
I never said that questions are proof.
I said it is an undeniable fact that the widows' 300 questions got only 27 answers.
Those of you in this forum who tolerate Ian's repeated inane claims that there are no questions and no widows have no respect for truth, and no respect for the victims of 9/11. Shame on you.
Shame on Me?
Look Brian, just because you were born limited in cognitive ability and saw a fake dedication to 'The widows" and the "truth" as a way of making up for your life of total talent less uselessness as a person is the point here.
That is why you are a joke to skeptics and truthers alike.
Lean to live with the fact a janitor is all you are good for. learn to take pride in a well polished floor and a clean toilet. that is all a guy like you can expect.
I'm laughing at the fact that Brian debunked himself with the widows questions thing.
I'll act like Brian: "The widows never got any of their questions asked."
"They had 27 of 300 questions answered."
"You're a shill."
"You don't know what you're talking about."
"The widows have unanswered questions but they had 27 answered."
ROTFLMFAO!
What goes on in Brians mind:
"The Widows didn't have any of their questions answered but I know they had 27 of them answered. But then again that would make me a debunker and not a Truther. I wonder why Carol doesn't like me. Do I have bad breath? Is it that I smell funny? *cries* WHY DOESN'T SHE LOVE ME? I'm gonna get rid of her husband and take Carol for myself. Kevin Barrett can't have her, she's mine. Why am I so lonely? I'm gonna repeat the things I say cause I have nothing better to do. The widows still haven't got their questions answered. I like the widows, I want to marry each one of them. I don't know if they'll like me. I'm fighting for them, they should recognize me for standing up to them. I'm a hero in their eyes, they have to love me."
This made me laugh when I Googled up about Brian and found this from back in 2009:
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2009/02/brian-goods-greatest-hits.html
"I operate a lot in the failure mode. Brian Good
Yes, he's correct that he's been operating in the failure mode for a very long time. His relationships with women ended in failure. His stance with the Truth Movement ended in failure. His theories about 9/11 always ends in failure.
Life goes on for the 9/11 Widows:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/10/11-september-widows-move-on-as-tenth-anniversary-nears
They were four women from New Jersey whose husbands were killed in the tragedy and went on to campaign for a national commission of inquiry into the attacks. In eventually winning their battle to be heard in Washington, the four transformed themselves into powerful representatives of the 9/11 victims. But now, as America gears up for the emotional 10th anniversary of the attacks, the Jersey girls seem to have embraced new lives out of the media spotlight. They will be keeping their grief private.
"I am no longer defining my life as a widow. I feel like I am not going to let myself be defined by what happened to me on 9/11. It's healthier for me. My husband has gone and he's not coming back," Kristen Breitweiser, 40, told the Observer in an interview. Breitweiser said that she would spend the coming anniversary with her 12-year-old daughter. "We will take a nice walk on the beach," she said.
Those sentiments were echoed by fellow Jersey girl Lorie Van Auken, 56, who will spend the day watching her daughter appear in a New York show. "Life goes on," she said.
And Brian, they don't give a shit about those 273 questions. They've moved on with their lives, why can't you move on?
Breitweiser said she had lost all faith in America's political system, believing it to be dominated by deep-pocketed business interests who put profit over citizens' safety. Twice in the last few years, she said, people had urged her to stand for office. Twice she refused. "You need money to run and when you get the money you are indebted to the people or corporation that gave you it," she said. Instead, Breitweiser now devotes herself to blogging for the Huffington Post on a wide range of issues.
She has developed a fascination with the Middle East and the Muslim world and recently took her child on a trip to Morocco. A trip to Turkey is planned this year and she wants to go to Egypt next year to witness the aftermath of the country's recent revolution. "There is nothing more inspiring than seeing a group of people rise up together against the powers that be when those powers are in the wrong," she said. "It was also non-violent, and after losing my husband in the way I did, by Middle Eastern terrorists, it was amazing to see change happening without violence."
So far she never asked about those "273 unanswered questions" Brian's always gossiping about.
"The Titanic was "unsinkable" only under a very sheltered set of conditions that did not include breaching of multiple wells. The towers were designed to take a hit from a 4-engine 707 jetliner at 600 mph, and the chief engineer, John Skilling, said they were survive the subsequent fires as well."
John Skilling was obviously wrong. The Titanic was supposed to be unsinkable, that was the public claim, just as the public claim was that the towers would survive a strike from the SMALLER 707. Neither claim proved to be true.
"Who cares what Titanic "experts" disregarded? Who were these experts, and what were their qualifications?"
Engineers, academics, and people who write books.
"The fact that the builder took the report seriously shows that the real engineers knew that breaking in half was a perfectly reasonable proposition."
Yes, just as real engineers have taken the NIST report recommendations - the ones that reveal the cause of the collapse - to be their new gospel for building tall buildings.
"It's not at all obvious that the WTC was not designed to take a hit from a 4-engine jetliner at 600 mph."
Yes it is obvious. Each tower collapsed after being struck by a larger, 2-engine jetliner. Simple cause and effect, retard.
"For WTC1 NIST regarded a range of core damage estimates as reasonable: 1 column severed, 3 columns severed, and 6 columns severed. When lower reasonable estimates failed to generate a collapse in their model, they decided on the most extreme estimate. They did so because they needed to engage in unscientific reverse-engineering to get the results they were supposed to get."
See, this is what they call in the physics and engineering as "Science". They had a model, and they had an outcome, and they had recovered key structural elements of each building which they studied and modeled.
Nothing suspicious at all.
"Upon what expert evaluation or what analysis do you base your estimate that we know 95% of what happened on 9/11? Your belief that there was no melted steel is ludicrous. Was Dr. Astaneh-Asl lying? Was Dr. James Glanz lying? Was Dr. Ahmed Ghoniem lying? Was Dr. Edward Malloy lying? Was Dr. Alison Geyh lying? Was Captain Philip Ruvolo, FDNY, lying?"
If they saw "molten steel" then yes they're lying.
But here's the thing, none of them saw melted steel. Over at JREF they have gone over all of those alleged quotes to find that they either NEVER said these things, or the quotes have been taken out of context and run away with by idiot troofers.
"Was Dr. Astaneh-Asl lying?"
He says - repeatedly - that he never saw melted steel.
It is you who lie.
I know, Brian's gonna come back with the usual BS stories that he's been repeating for the last 6 yrs.
It's a shame he has no other dialog to go on. It's always the same mindless chatter, the same narrow mindedness.
Yes, the Titanic Commission did say that the ship didn't break up in 2, but as Dr. Robert Ballard discovered it did indeed break in 2. The PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that lies 2 1/2 miles down is testimony that the Commission got it wrong and the witnesses were right all along.
But in the case of 9/11, Truthers take out of context that people "hear or saw explosions". They never once said that it came directly from explosives nor did they tell the Commission that it came only from explosives. Then there's the PHYSICAL EVIDENCE stored in Hanger 17 @ JFK Airport. Nothing on the steel proves that explosives were used.
"But in the case of 9/11, Truthers take out of context that people "hear or saw explosions". They never once said that it came directly from explosives nor did they tell the Commission that it came only from explosives. Then there's the PHYSICAL EVIDENCE stored in Hanger 17 @ JFK Airport. Nothing on the steel proves that explosives were used. "
Yup. I was trying to throw Brian a bone and he blew right by it. A common problem for him. Everyone has to remember that most people, Brian included, have a limited vocabulary, and hearing something that sounds like an explosion does not men there was an explosion. That steel was recovered by thousands of men with a diverse background. Many had military experience, demolition experience, and were veteran fire fighters. The use of explosives is obvious even decades after the fact. Thermite even more so, such that there would be no need for pixie dust to make the claim because they would have had to use a crane to get that much melted steel out.
Brian, and the rest of the troofers are morally corrupt, so it is easy for them to assume everyone else is too (it justifies their sociopathic behavior in their addled brains). NYPD would never have kept quiet if they knew about explosives being used in any of the buildings during the attacks. Never. Nobody kills a New York City cop and gets away with it no matter who they are. You can take that to the bank.
Awe I think we broke Brian's little heart.
He hasn't come back to reply to us. I hope he doesn't come back and if he does we'll just make fun of him more.
MGF, the government has not answered the widows' 273 questions, and NIST has failed to address the ten essential mysteries of the WTC collapses. If you knew anything about 9/11, you would know that.
Brian, the widows have no questions. Also, your list of essential mysteries is incorrect, since the official list of essential mysteries includes the radiation in the dust cloud, the burnt baboon fur in the wreckage, and the mysterious green goo everywhere.
And Brian, they don't give a shit about those 273 questions. They've moved on with their lives, why can't you move on?
Because Brian likes to use the "widows" as a rhetorical human shield. Just watch his hysterical squealing when I mock his obsession with the "widows". I have no decency, I mock the victims of 9/11, squeal squeal squeal....
Also, Brian is well known for stalking Carol Brouillet, a woman who called him delusional. He probably thinks his spam on this blog will make the "widows" fall in love with him, or something.
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