Wednesday, March 05, 2014

A Truther with a Moment of Integrity, Better Late than Never

I don't often say nice things about Truthers, but I have to give some credit to long time Truther, and Russia Today news host Abby Martin, for finally having some integrity and recognizing the fact that she works for a propaganda arm of the Russian government.




I was a bit amused by the headlines and discussion over at 911 Flogger that she had been "outed" as a Truther though.  I didn't realize that it was ever a secret.

Now if only she would apply this skepticism to her other nutty beliefs...

On a related note, another host at Russia Today actually went one step further and quit on the air. Waiting for Abby to follow.




25 Comments:

At 07 March, 2014 21:50, Blogger orphia_nay said...

At Flogger, she's basically saying she's not a truther, she's just a truther.

A truther with integrity has yet to be found.

 
At 08 March, 2014 08:34, Blogger snug.bug said...

So, are you saying that these truthers have no integrity?


1. Medea Benjamin, activist, author, co-founder, Global Exchange and Code Pink
2. Dennis Bernstein, investigative reporter, radio host of KPFA’s Flashpoints
3. Dr. Robert Bowman, USAF Lt. Col. (Rtd.), founder, Institute for Space and Security Studies
4. John Cobb, Ph.D., theologian, co-author, For the Common Good
5. Ernest Callenbach, founder/editor, Film Quarterly, author, Ecotopia
6. Kevin Danaher, Ph.D., author, speaker, co-founder, Global Exchange
7. Stephen Dinan, author, Radical Spirit
8. Ronnie Dugger, journalist/author, co-founder, Alliance for Democracy
9. Daniel Ellsberg, author, Secrets: A Memoir of Vietnam and the Pentagon Papers
10. Peter Erlinder, professor, William Mitchell College of Law, past-President National Lawyers Guild
11. Bruce Gagnon, Chair, Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in Space
12. Rita M. Haley, President, National Organization for Women, New York Chapter
13. Thom Hartmann, radio host; author, Unequal Protection
14. Richie Havens, singer, songwriter, performer, artist
15. Georgia Kelly, executive director, Praxis Peace Institute
16. David Korten, author, When Corporations Rule the World
17. Frances Moore Lappe, author, Diet for a Small Planet; founder, Small Planet Institute
18. Rabbi Michael Lerner, editor, TIKKUN Magazine, author, Healing Israel/Palestine
19. Ray McGovern, former CIA analyst, co-founder, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity
20. Mark Crispin Miller, media critic, author, professor, New York University
21. Ralph Nader, Independent candidate for President
22. Michael Parenti, Ph.D., author, Superpatriotism and The Terrorism Trap
23. Peter Phillips, Ph.D., professor, Sonoma State University, director, Project Censored
24. John Rensenbrink, professor emeritus, Bowdoin College, co-founder, US Green Party
25. Rosemary Radford Ruether, professor of feminist theology, Graduate Theological Union
26. Peter Dale Scott, Ph.D., Professor Emeritus, author, Drugs, Oil, and War
27. J. Michael Springmann, attorney, former Foreign Service Officer, US Department of State
28. Howard Zinn, professor, historian, author, A People’s History of the United States

 
At 08 March, 2014 08:36, Blogger snug.bug said...

I love it when peedunkers like orphia_nay make fools of themselves.

Is she saying that these truthers who lost family members have no integrity?

1. Joanne Barbara, wife of FDNY Asst. Chief of Dept. Gerard Barbara
2. Gayle Barker, sister of William A. Karnes, WTC
3. Michele Bergsohn, wife of Alvin Bergsohn, Cantor Fitzgerald
4. Derrill Bodley, father of Deora Bodley, passenger on Flight 93
5. Kathryn C. Bowden, sister of Thomas H. Bowden, Jr. WTC1, 104th floor
6. Janet Calia, wife of Dominick Calia, Cantor Fitzgerald, WTC1
7. Maggie Cashman, wife of William Joseph Cashman, United Flight 93
8. Lynne Castrianno Galante, sister of Leonard Castrianno, 1WTC, 105th floor
9. Elza Chapa-McGowan, daughter of Rosemary Chapa, Pentagon
10. Bruce De Cell, father-in-law of Mark Petrocelli North Tower, 92nd floor
11. Ralph D’Esposito, father of Michael D’Esposito, WTC, 96th floor
12. Loisanne Diehl, Surviving Spouse, Michael D. Diehl, WTC2, 90th floor
13. Adina D. Eisenberg, sister of Eric Eisenberg, WTC
14. Jonathan M. Fisher, son of Dr. Gerald Paul “Geep” Fisher, Pentagon
15. Michael J. Fox, brother of Jeffrey L. Fox, Tower 2, 89th floor
16. Laurel A. Gay, sister of Peter A. Gay, AA Flight 11
17. Irene Golinsky, wife of Col. Ronald F. Golinski USA RET, Pentagon
18. Lori, Jerry, and Beatrice Guadagno, sister and parents of Richard Guadagno, Flight 93
19. Kristen Hall, daughter of fallen firefighter Thomas Kuveikis 9/11
20. Kurt D. Horning, father of Matthew D. Horning, WTC Tower One, 95th floor
21. Jennifer W. Hunt, wife of William C. Hunt, Euro Brokers
22. John Keating, son of Barbara Keating, passenger on AA Flight 11
23. L. Russell Keene II, father of Russ Keene III, WTC2, 89th floor, KBW
24. Peter Kousoulis, sister died in WTC
25. Paul & Barbara Kirwin, parents of Glenn Davis Kirwin, Cantor Fitzgerald 105th floor
26. Barbara Krukowski-Rastelli, mother of William E. Krukowski, NYC firefighter
27. Laura and Ira Lassman, parents of Nicholas C. Lassman, died in WTC, Tower One
28. Johnny Lee, husband of Lorraine Greene
29. Alicia LeGuillow, mother of Nestor A. Cintron III
30. Francine Levine, sister of Adam K. Ruhalter, who died on 9/11
31. Ellen Mariani, lost husband Neil on Flight 175
32. Bob McIlvaine, father of Robert McIlvaine, WTC, Merrill Lynch
33. Mary McWilliams, mother of FF Martin E. McWilliams- Engine 22
34. Daryl J. Meehan, brother of Colleen Ann Barkow, WTC 1, 105th floor
35. Elvira P. Murphy, wife of Patrick Murphy, WTC 1
36. Natalee Pecorelli, sister of Thomas Pecorelli of Flight 11
37. James L Perry, M.D and Patricia J. Perry, parents of John W. Perry, Esq., NYPD Officer 9/11
38. David Potorti, brother of James Potorti, North Tower, WTC, Marsh & McLennan
39. Terry Kay Rockefeller, sister of Laura Rockefeller, North Tower, WTC
40. Grissel Rodriguez-Valentin, wife of Benito Valentin, WTC1, 94th floor
41. Alissa Rosenberg-Torres, widow of Luis Eduardo Torres, post-9/11 mother, writer
42. Elaine Saber, mother of Scott Saber
43. Julie Scarpitta, mother of Michelle Scarpitta, WTC Building 2, 84th floor
44. Paula Shapiro, mother of Eric Eisenberg, WTC2
45. Elizabeth Turner, wife of Simon Turner, lost on 11th September 2001
46. Adele Welty, mother of Firefighter Timothy Welty, FDNY, Squad 288
47. Joan W. Winton, mother of David Winton, WTC, South Tower, 89th floor
48. David Yancey, husband of Vicki Yancey, American Airlines Flight 77
49. Nissa Youngren, daughter of Robert G. LeBlanc, flight 175

 
At 08 March, 2014 20:56, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

If they belive 9/11 was an inside job, then yes they have no integrity.

 
At 09 March, 2014 10:16, Blogger snug.bug said...

Orphia-nay says that no truthers have integrity.

You're either saying a) all truthers believe 9/11 was an inside job and have no integrity or b) some truthers don't believe 9/11 was an inside job, but those who do have no integrity.

Which is it? If a), you're claiming knowledge you can not possibly have (not unusual for you). If b) you're agreeing with me that orhia_nay is FOS.

 
At 09 March, 2014 12:26, Blogger Grandmastershek said...

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At 09 March, 2014 12:30, Blogger Grandmastershek said...

Unsurprisingly, Brian counts anyone who happens to have a problem with the investigations in any capacity or their outcomes as a "truther". When in reality truthers are crackpots who believe in [insert insanely implausible scenario here].

 
At 09 March, 2014 13:37, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 09 March, 2014 13:40, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 09 March, 2014 16:25, Blogger snug.bug said...

GMS, of the dozens of signatories to the 911Truth Statement, I don't think I can name any who has gone on record saying 911 was an inside job. I doubt you can name many, if any. But they are the core of the truth movement-—people who, as I do, have problems with the questions the government has declined to answer, and with the covered-up information that the government thinks we have no right to know.

The movement of kooky kooks you invent for your own amusement is something else, and includes people such as Barrett and Rodriguez who may have deliberately tried to make the movement look bad to serve their own ends.

Though many activists claim that the 2100 architects and engineers believe that the WTC was destroyed with explosives, but in fact the petition is more moderate, simply calling for investigation of the possibility that explosives may have been used. I would not have signed the petition myself had the language been less moderate than that, and I would not sign the Rethink911 petition which was less moderate.

 
At 09 March, 2014 21:10, Blogger orphia_nay said...

If you're a truther, you lie to yourself and are wilfully ignorant and spread lies to others.

That means you have no integrity.

Just because you have some qualifications after your name, or have lost a family member does not make Da Truth the truth.

 
At 09 March, 2014 22:08, Blogger snug.bug said...

Name one person on my two lists who spreads lies and is wilfully ignorant, orphia-nay.

 
At 10 March, 2014 17:12, Blogger ConsDemo said...

Abby Martin probably cleared her statement with her bosses before hand and if this was just a "one off" I'm not sure I'd give her too much credit. If he is routinely claiming Putin is full of shit on every broadcast, that would be different. If she returns to reporting the Kremlin perspective as fact, I think there statement will only have been a propaganda coup for her in RT by pretending she has journalistic liberty.

Since she is a troofer, she is still and idiot, although she is about the only female troofer who is good looking, so she at least gets points in that department.

 
At 10 March, 2014 18:52, Blogger snug.bug said...

So ConsDemo, are you saying that all the following truthers are idiots?



1. Medea Benjamin, activist, author, co-founder, Global Exchange and Code Pink
2. Dennis Bernstein, investigative reporter, radio host of KPFA’s Flashpoints
3. Dr. Robert Bowman, USAF Lt. Col. (Rtd.), founder, Institute for Space and Security Studies
4. John Cobb, Ph.D., theologian, co-author, For the Common Good
5. Ernest Callenbach, founder/editor, Film Quarterly, author, Ecotopia
6. Kevin Danaher, Ph.D., author, speaker, co-founder, Global Exchange
7. Stephen Dinan, author, Radical Spirit
8. Ronnie Dugger, journalist/author, co-founder, Alliance for Democracy
9. Daniel Ellsberg, author, Secrets: A Memoir of Vietnam and the Pentagon Papers
10. Peter Erlinder, professor, William Mitchell College of Law, past-President National Lawyers Guild
11. Bruce Gagnon, Chair, Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in Space
12. Rita M. Haley, President, National Organization for Women, New York Chapter
13. Thom Hartmann, radio host; author, Unequal Protection
14. Richie Havens, singer, songwriter, performer, artist
15. Georgia Kelly, executive director, Praxis Peace Institute
16. David Korten, author, When Corporations Rule the World
17. Frances Moore Lappe, author, Diet for a Small Planet; founder, Small Planet Institute
18. Rabbi Michael Lerner, editor, TIKKUN Magazine, author, Healing Israel/Palestine
19. Ray McGovern, former CIA analyst, co-founder, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity
20. Mark Crispin Miller, media critic, author, professor, New York University
21. Ralph Nader, Independent candidate for President
22. Michael Parenti, Ph.D., author, Superpatriotism and The Terrorism Trap
23. Peter Phillips, Ph.D., professor, Sonoma State University, director, Project Censored
24. John Rensenbrink, professor emeritus, Bowdoin College, co-founder, US Green Party
25. Rosemary Radford Ruether, professor of feminist theology, Graduate Theological Union
26. Peter Dale Scott, Ph.D., Professor Emeritus, author, Drugs, Oil, and War
27. J. Michael Springmann, attorney, former Foreign Service Officer, US Department of State
28. Howard Zinn, professor, historian, author, A People’s History of the United States

 
At 11 March, 2014 11:02, Blogger Kount Won said...

Hello! I have an opportunity to see Richard Gage in a few days. Can I ask for the best list of websites debunking thermite, nanothermite, and addressing any rebuttals Gage, Harrit, or Griffin may have produced? if you can please send to 'countone@hotmail.ca'

 
At 11 March, 2014 11:54, Blogger snug.bug said...

Kount, I have some arguments against nanothermite and Dr. Griffin and Mr. Gage, but I have no particular interest in articulating them. I will look forward to slapping down the stupid arguments that posters here will assert.

 
At 11 March, 2014 18:10, Blogger Ian said...

Well, it's good to see that Brian is spamming this blog with pointless lists again.

Brian, a simple rule of thumb. If any of the people from your lists agrees with you on 9/11, they have no integrity and are idiots.

I'm guessing, however, that none agree with your lunatic beliefs on 9/11, since none of them are failed janitors who live with their parents and are too incompetent to get decent haircuts.

 
At 11 March, 2014 18:11, Blogger Ian said...

Also, I'll mention that Brian STILL hasn't managed to get a single question from the widows answered. Not one.

5+ years and counting.....

 
At 11 March, 2014 18:16, Blogger Ian said...

I doubt you can name many, if any.

This is true. Brian is not a truther since he was banned from the movement for being a liar and a sex stalker. Thus, his belief that the Bush administration destroyed the towers using magic spray-on thermite and invisible silent explosives cannot be held against the truth movement.

It's just one lone pathetic lunatic's delusions.

 
At 11 March, 2014 19:44, Blogger snug.bug said...

It thinks it's funny.

 
At 11 March, 2014 21:25, Blogger Ian said...

It thinks it's funny.

Yup, the classic humiliated, hysterical response of a failed janitor with a hideous haircut who has been pwn3d.

Hey Brian, have your lists of random people gotten the widows questions answered yet? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!

 
At 12 March, 2014 04:36, Blogger Ian said...

Kount, I have some arguments against nanothermite and Dr. Griffin and Mr. Gage, but I have no particular interest in articulating them.

Translation: I've given my opinions of what happened on 9/11 before, but every time I do, I've been mocked mercilessly by the sane people on this blog, and I end up squealing and crying and calling them "girls".

So even though my mind is malfunctioning, I've learned never to say what I think happened on 9/11.

 
At 12 March, 2014 09:20, Blogger snug.bug said...

Its logic is so confused it thinks the fact that the widows' 273 questions have not been answered is a reason that they should not be answered, instead of a reason that they should.

 
At 12 March, 2014 16:42, Blogger Ian said...

Its logic is so confused it thinks the fact that the widows' 273 questions have not been answered is a reason that they should not be answered, instead of a reason that they should.

The widows have no questions.

 
At 12 March, 2014 17:32, Blogger snug.bug said...

You're a liar, Ian. The widows had 300 questions, and only 27 were answered. The widows have 273 questions--and your lies are helping to keep them from the truth they deserve.

 

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