Monday, May 19, 2014

Troofer Dolts Produce Fake Brochure for Memorial Opening

No particular surprise, although I am happy to see that Raw Story has become less Truther-friendly in recent years.

A group calling itself Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth will be on hand this week when the National September 11 Memorial Museum officially opens to the public in New York City, handing out brochures detailing their version of the events of September 11, 2001.

The brochures — designed to look like the official museum brochure — cast doubt on how the World Trade Towers collapsed that day, pushing the theory that the destruction was part of a greater conspiracy involving the U.S. government and possibly Israel.
The full crackpot brochure can be seen here.  It's the usual crap about Building 7, which appears to be the last refuge of the kooks.

While we're on the subject of the 9-11 Memorial, here are a couple of photos from the opening that will probably give Brian Good some intestinal problems:



Hat Tip to WR. Not too shabby, getting pictured with a former president and the person most likely to be a future president (not that I would vote for her, mind you).

68 Comments:

At 19 May, 2014 16:20, Blogger Ian said...

Yup, Rodriguez is a hero. Brian Good is a liar who wears women's underwear.

 
At 19 May, 2014 16:55, Blogger snug.bug said...

Willie Rodriguez is a liar. He appropriated the true hero story of the dead 9/11 hero Pablo Ortiz. The people Pablo saved by breaking down doors on the 88th floor have gone on TV to praise him.

Willie is unable to identify any of the 15 persons that he claims he single-handedly rescued. None of them will come forward to thank him for saving their lives. Willie video-ambushed Felipe David in his hospital bed for some TV footage. A year after 9/11 Mr. David's church ran a story about David that did not mention Willie at all.

Willie claims that by opening doors and letting people out he saved hundreds of lives of people trapped behind locked fire exit doors. Not one of the people he saved is willing to come forward. The people were not locked in. Death statistics show that only about 100 civilians died underneath the plane impacts zones. If Willie saved hundreds on his 39 floors, then thousands should have died on the other 130-something floors he never reached. They didn't. Survival rates on Willie's floors were no higher than on the other floor under the impact zone.

He's a liar and a fraud. Thus it is no surprise that he is embraced by the likes of GW Bush and Hillary Clinton.








 
At 19 May, 2014 17:01, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, yes I have been known to wear women's underwear on my head in spontaneous moments. You have a problem with that? Maybe your only spontaneous moments are in proximity to men's underwear?

 
At 19 May, 2014 17:20, Blogger Pat said...

Brian, yeah, Carole wants her bra back that you spontaneously stole from the Port-A-Potty after she changed into Wonder Woman.

 
At 19 May, 2014 17:36, Blogger snug.bug said...

Pat, I see that you just make stuff up like mgf and Lyin Ian.

What ever happened to your buddy Willie Rodriguez, anyway? He challenged me to this WilliePalooza multimedia debate, and then he ran away screaming and crying after I proved that his hero story was a lie.

 
At 19 May, 2014 17:41, Blogger snug.bug said...

Bill Clinton looks like he's about half a second from Ralphing all over Willie'e tie.

 
At 19 May, 2014 17:46, Blogger Ian said...

Willie Rodriguez is a liar. He appropriated the true hero story of the dead 9/11 hero Pablo Ortiz. The people Pablo saved by breaking down doors on the 88th floor have gone on TV to praise him.

Willie is unable to identify any of the 15 persons that he claims he single-handedly rescued. None of them will come forward to thank him for saving their lives. Willie video-ambushed Felipe David in his hospital bed for some TV footage. A year after 9/11 Mr. David's church ran a story about David that did not mention Willie at all.

Willie claims that by opening doors and letting people out he saved hundreds of lives of people trapped behind locked fire exit doors. Not one of the people he saved is willing to come forward. The people were not locked in. Death statistics show that only about 100 civilians died underneath the plane impacts zones. If Willie saved hundreds on his 39 floors, then thousands should have died on the other 130-something floors he never reached. They didn't. Survival rates on Willie's floors were no higher than on the other floor under the impact zone.

He's a liar and a fraud. Thus it is no surprise that he is embraced by the likes of GW Bush and Hillary Clinton.


Like I said, Rodriguez is a hero. Brian Good is a liar who believes in magic thermite elves.

 
At 19 May, 2014 17:48, Blogger Ian said...

Ian, yes I have been known to wear women's underwear on my head in spontaneous moments. You have a problem with that? Maybe your only spontaneous moments are in proximity to men's underwear?

More proof of Brian being a liar. He acts like he's actually managed to have an encounter with a woman that didn't end in pepper spray.

 
At 19 May, 2014 17:50, Blogger Ian said...

Brian, yeah, Carole wants her bra back that you spontaneously stole from the Port-A-Potty after she changed into Wonder Woman.

Awesome.

Pat, I see that you just make stuff up like mgf and Lyin Ian.

Squeal, squeal, squeal!

What ever happened to your buddy Willie Rodriguez, anyway? He challenged me to this WilliePalooza multimedia debate, and then he ran away screaming and crying after I proved that his hero story was a lie.

Brian, you've proved nothing of the sort. You're a liar who lives with his parents because he can't hold down a job mopping floors.

Bill Clinton looks like he's about half a second from Ralphing all over Willie'e tie.

Brian is hysterical because Rodriguez is a hero and Brian can't even afford a decent haircut.

 
At 19 May, 2014 17:56, Blogger snug.bug said...

Lyin Ian, the death statistics prove that Willie's hero story is a lie. Only about a hundred civilians died under the impact floors. If Willie saved hundred on his 39 floors, then a thousand should have died on the floors he couldn't reach. He's a liar and a fraud.

 
At 19 May, 2014 17:59, Blogger Pat said...

Brian, let me know if you have changed your alleged mind about debating Willie on this site. I keep hearing you woofing about how you would kick his ass, but I also remember you declining the opportunity.

 
At 19 May, 2014 18:05, Blogger snug.bug said...

I have debated Willie on this site site many times, and every time he has run away leaving his sockpuppets sabba and CBSF to libel me.

Every time I have debated him I have shown that his story is a lie.

Willie wanted a live multimedia debate without adequate moderation to protect the privacy of neutral third parties. He had no interest in finding neutral moderation, but insisted on a venue controlled by his Friends of Randi buddies.

But really, there's nothing to debate. I have proven irrefutably that his claims of 15 rescues and 100s saved are lies.

 
At 19 May, 2014 19:49, OpenID mgferris said...

Willie looks great.

Does the fake brochure double as toilet paper? I ask only because some 9/11 family member is going to shove it up some troofer's ass.

 
At 19 May, 2014 20:04, Blogger Ian said...

Lyin Ian, the death statistics prove that Willie's hero story is a lie. Only about a hundred civilians died under the impact floors. If Willie saved hundred on his 39 floors, then a thousand should have died on the floors he couldn't reach. He's a liar and a fraud.

False.

Brian, let me know if you have changed your alleged mind about debating Willie on this site. I keep hearing you woofing about how you would kick his ass, but I also remember you declining the opportunity.

Ouch. Brian has been completely pwn3d. I imagine he'll respond with hysterical squealing and lying.

I have debated Willie on this site site many times, and every time he has run away leaving his sockpuppets sabba and CBSF to libel me.

Every time I have debated him I have shown that his story is a lie.

Willie wanted a live multimedia debate without adequate moderation to protect the privacy of neutral third parties. He had no interest in finding neutral moderation, but insisted on a venue controlled by his Friends of Randi buddies.

But really, there's nothing to debate. I have proven irrefutably that his claims of 15 rescues and 100s saved are lies.


I rest my case.

 
At 19 May, 2014 20:06, Blogger Ian said...

BTW, it's hilarious that Brian just endlessly repeats how he's "proven" that Rodriguez is a liar.

Who have you "proven" this to, Brian? Your various imaginary friends and invisible widows don't count.

 
At 19 May, 2014 21:14, Blogger snug.bug said...

Lyin Ian, I have proven to anyone who will consider the facts and is honest and has a rational mind that Willie Rodriguez is a liar. His story is uncorroborated, implausible, self-serving, and contrary to known facts.

I have kicked Willie's skanky ass every time he shows up on this site. He can not defend his lies. There is no evidence to support them, and much evidence to refute them.

It's interesting that those "fabulous" photos of Willie (Ian must get all jiggly inside looking at Willie's $80 hair cut) seem to reside only here on the screwloosechange website. Pat seems to have been uniquely blessed. They're not even on Willie's william911 website.

I will be curious to see where they are hosted in the future, and what kind of commentary is associated with them. 911blogger? The AE911Truth website? 911truth.org? Justicefor911.org?



 
At 20 May, 2014 04:58, Blogger Ian said...

Lyin Ian, I have proven to anyone who will consider the facts and is honest and has a rational mind that Willie Rodriguez is a liar. His story is uncorroborated, implausible, self-serving, and contrary to known facts.

Thanks for proving my point. You've "proven" nothing to anyone. You're just posting hysterical spam because you're a homosexual pervert who is in love with Rodriguez.

I have kicked Willie's skanky ass every time he shows up on this site. He can not defend his lies. There is no evidence to support them, and much evidence to refute them.

False. He challenged you to a debate and you ran away squealing and crying.

It's interesting that those "fabulous" photos of Willie (Ian must get all jiggly inside looking at Willie's $80 hair cut) seem to reside only here on the screwloosechange website. Pat seems to have been uniquely blessed. They're not even on Willie's william911 website.

Brian is humiliated because Rodriguez is a renowned hero who doesn't walk around in public with a hideous homeless mullet, while Brian can do nothing but post spam here and get mocked mercilessly. Brian can't even get the widows' questions answered!

I will be curious to see where they are hosted in the future, and what kind of commentary is associated with them. 911blogger? The AE911Truth website? 911truth.org? Justicefor911.org?

How about CIT? You know, that group run by another intrepid researcher who pwn3d you and humiliated you and had you running away squealing and crying like Rodriguez did?

 
At 20 May, 2014 10:08, Blogger snug.bug said...

The proof that Wizzie LiedRugAs's story is a lie is irrefutable. He claimed he saved hundreds of lives by "opening doors and letting people out" on 30 locked floors. So how many hundreds died on the other 120-somnething floors under the impact zone that Willie never reached? If Willie saved 200 on 30 floors, then 800 people trapped on those other locked floors should have died.

They didn't die on the other floors because they weren't locked in. Death statistics show that only about 100 civilians died on the 166 floors under the impact zones. This includes the mobility-impaired and those trapped in elevators. Willie's "inspirational" tale is not consistent with the facts.

If you're going to claim that's not proof that his story is a lie, you'll need to move beyond fashion critiques and address the issues of the story.

I didn't run away from anything. Here I am, here Willie and his sockpuppets sabba and CBSF are not. I tried to find a neutral venue for a debate, and even got a moderator from 911blogger to offer to do it. Willie would not life a finger to find a neutral venue. It had to be his Randian buddies or not at all. The Randians showed that they had no respect for the privacy rights of innocent third parties, so they were not acceptable moderators.

Willie is a blatant fraud, dismissed by Der Spiegel as a humbug trying to pass a $1 bill as a $20 bill.

CIT never pwned me. I pwned them. I showed that their flyover theory was as evidence-free and impossible as Willie hero stories.
I didn't run away from them.


 
At 20 May, 2014 15:12, Blogger Ian said...

Yes, Brian, you've posted this hysterical spam about 1000 times before. We know what you think. And what you think doesn't change the fact that Rodriguez is a hero who met Bill and Hillary while you can't even hold down a job mopping floors.

Pwn3d.

 
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At 20 May, 2014 16:20, Blogger snug.bug said...

Lyin Ian, Willie Rodriguez is a common con artist. Either you lack the wit to perceive that, or you're the kind who thinks his fraudulence is clever.

I wouldn't walk across the street to meet Bill or Hillary Clinton.

YOu can not refute the proof that Willie's story is a lie. All you can do is tell lies about me to give the illusion that you have a point.

 
At 20 May, 2014 20:12, Blogger Ian said...

Lyin Ian, Willie Rodriguez is a common con artist. Either you lack the wit to perceive that, or you're the kind who thinks his fraudulence is clever.

False.

I wouldn't walk across the street to meet Bill or Hillary Clinton.

Nobody cares.

You can not refute the proof that Willie's story is a lie.

I already have. Sorry Brian, you lose again. HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!

 
At 20 May, 2014 20:18, Blogger Ian said...

So, to sum up, Willie Rodriguez is a hero who met with the Clintons, while Brian good is a failed janitor who was banned from the truth movement for being a sex stalker.

And Brian just squeals bitterly because he and Bill Clinton are polar opposites of what Americans can do. Bill Clinton came from a poor background and a broken home to become one of the most successful politicians and influential people in history. Brian Good, on the other hand, came from wealth and privilege only to piss it away by failing out of San Jose State after doing too many drugs. Since then, it's been 40+ years of menial jobs, life in his parents basement, and bitter resentment at a society that has rightly consigned him to pathetic irrelevance.

Just remember that, Brian. Bill Clinton is a great success. I'm a moderate success. You are a colossal failure.

 
At 20 May, 2014 20:34, Blogger snug.bug said...

Bill Clinton is a failure who was reduced to seeing the subsequent election blatantly stolen, and who has been palling around with the Bushes as if they were perfectly respectable people ever since.

Hillary Clinton is a do-nothing failure also, which certainly qualifies her to be the Democratic or Republican candidate for president--which isn't saying much. I would rather be the failed janitor you wrongly claim I am than to be a Clinton.

If you want to see a failed janitor, look at Willie Rodriguez. He claims he was a janitor in a windowless stairwell during the unprecedented Clinton prosperity, and claims that after the WTC fell down he could no longer find work as a janitor. Now that's failure!

Where do you get the idea that I failed out of San Jose State? You're delusional. And you still have not, and can not, refute my proof that Willie's hero story is a lie.










 
At 20 May, 2014 21:09, Blogger Ian said...

See what I mean? Nothing but hysterical squealing from Brian because nobody cares what he thinks about anything.

 
At 20 May, 2014 21:18, Blogger Ian said...

Here, Brian, this is a song for you:

http://youtu.be/jAXrvtraF60

See, Wesley was also mentally ill like you, but unlike you, he did something to make him into a beloved figure in the music and art world. He made something of his life, instead of pissing it away as you have.

 
At 20 May, 2014 21:32, Blogger snug.bug said...

Thanks for your fabulous fashion tips, Ian. I'll be sure to feed them to my sardines.

Those images of Willie still don't turn up for me anywhere but on screwloosechange. Pat is indeed uniquely blessed. Doesn't Willie look like George Clooney in that pic with Hillary? Almost like he morphed his picture with George's. Willie's latest South American news articles show pics that look nothing like that.

When are we going to see a picture of Willie with his alleged wife and his alleged kid? Der Spiegel, don't forget, said he lived with a dog named Elvis. Talk about a failed janitor!

 
At 21 May, 2014 04:50, Blogger Ian said...

Thanks for your fabulous fashion tips, Ian. I'll be sure to feed them to my sardines.

Hey, if you want to keep looking like a homeless lunatic, that's fine. Just don't be surprised when nobody takes you any more seriously than we do at this blog.

And the rest of your post is just squealspam about your homosexual obsession with Rodriguez. Not worth reading.

 
At 21 May, 2014 07:33, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

If Willie saved 200 on 30 floors, then 800 people trapped on those other locked floors should have died.

Please show your math. Never have understood where you're getting that.

 
At 21 May, 2014 11:09, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 21 May, 2014 11:11, Blogger snug.bug said...

You're free to do your own math, RGT, just as you're free to assume that LIHOP and MIHOP are mutually exclusive and refuse to explain the basis of that assumption.

I've been through the exercise many times. I was just about to post my calcs when I realized that you guys are just going to pick a fight about whether it was 30 people or 55 people who were trapped in elevators, and try to make me look like an idiot on that basis.

It ain't rocket science. You can do your own math. 15,000 people on the 166 floors underneath the impact zones evacuated successfully. Only about 100 civilians under the impact zones died, and those were mostly the mobility impaired and those trapped in elevators.

The timing of the attack was essential to the successful evacuation. There were only 18,000 people in the buildings at the time. The 1993 full-scale evacuation of 50,000 people took 4 hours. Had the attack taken place at 10:30, the stairs would still have been clogged when the towers fell down, and 10,000 or 20,000 or even 30,000 people might have died.

Willie's 39 floors are a subset of the 166 floors underneath the impact zone. About 100 of the 15,000 civilians under the impact zone died. That's less than 1 person per floor, whether with Willie's Key of Hope or without it.

His claim that the people were trapped behind locked fire doors waiting for him to come along with his key "opening doors and letting people out" is absurd on its face, no math needed.

Willie is a liar and a fraud. I've proven it irrefutably.

 
At 21 May, 2014 11:52, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

You're free to do your own math, RGT, just as you're free to assume that LIHOP and MIHOP are mutually exclusive and refuse to explain the basis of that assumption.

LIHOP and MIHOP are mutually exclusive by definition. No further basis is required.

About 100 of the 15,000 civilians under the impact zone died. That's less than 1 person per floor, whether with Willie's Key of Hope or without it.

How many of the 15,000 did Willie let out?

 
At 21 May, 2014 12:14, Blogger Ian said...

And yet no matter how many times that Brian tells us that he's "proven" that Rodriguez is a fraud, it doesn't change anything. People still recognize Rodriguez as a hero and Brian as a failed janitor who lives with his parents.

 
At 21 May, 2014 12:44, Blogger snug.bug said...

What makes LIHOP and MIHOP mutually exclusive "by definition", RGT?

Are camels and horses mutually exclusive by definition? Can't you have camels and horses?

Why can't you have LIHOP and MIHOP? If you hired a thug to murder your wife (MIHOP) doesn't allowing the thug to murder your wife (LIHOP) happen also?

Willie didn't let anyone out. They weren't locked in. Had the people been locked in so that Willie's famous key was necessary, it would have been a scandal. The doors were only locked from the stairwell side. They were not locked from the office side. Every architect, security guard, janitor, locksmith, police officer and firefighter in the world knows that the people were not locked in. Everybody with any common sense knows that. The truthers had a frantic groupthink blindness about the obvious impossibility of Willie's story because 1) they wanted to believe in Willie and 2) they could not conceive that anyone could be such a scumbag as to lie as he does and steal his glory from the dead heroes and 3) his sockpuppets and his allies lied viciously about the few who were willing to point out his fraudulent nature and 4) his claims that he had an email list of thousands and armies of volunteers and contacts among foreign governments and media people made movement leaders want to be friendly to him.

The truthers used to believe him. They don't any more. Willie didn't even appear at the Barrett disinfo-fest in DC last fall, let alone present.

The only people who believe him are here at ScrewLooseChange, and it seems that they are just as stupid as the truthers were and as blind to the obvious as they were, and I'll suppose this is because they loathe me so much that if Willie says I'm a bad guy, then they think Willie must be a good guy.

He's a scumbag.









 
At 21 May, 2014 13:10, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

What makes LIHOP and MIHOP mutually exclusive "by definition", RGT?

The same thing that makes a charge of murder mutually exclusive with a charge of attempted murder.

The truthers used to believe him. They don't any more.

That sounds like it was intended to be an insult, but it doesn't read like one.

 
At 21 May, 2014 13:17, Blogger snug.bug said...

Why would attempted murder and murder be mutually exclusive? If I tried to drop an anvil on your head on Tuesday and missed, and then I succeeded in dropping a piano on you the next day, wouldn't that be both attempted murder and murder?

You're not making any sense. What exactly makes LIHOP and MIHOP mutually exclusive?

Willie is a blatant fraud.

 
At 21 May, 2014 13:42, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

Why would attempted murder and murder be mutually exclusive?

They're mutually exclusive by definition. Your counterexample fails by manipulating the facts.

Willie is a blatant fraud.

Your objections to Willie's story are based almost entirely on speculation. I'm not aware of any architect, security guard, janitor, locksmith, police officer or firefighter who shares your objections.

 
At 21 May, 2014 14:42, Blogger snug.bug said...

Well how about you try manipulating some facts and explain why LIHOP and MIHOP are mutually exclusive?

Suppose George Bush asked his buddy Osama to get some guys together and do that airliner thingey they've been talking about so long. Osama says, "Sure, Bub, when do you want this done?" That's MIHOP, right?

So Osama starts rounding up some guys and training them and the word gets around, and pretty soon there are warnings from the UK, Germany, Italy, and Egypt specifically about aircraft as weapons. Russia warns of suicide pilots. Jordan and the Cayman Islands warn of attacks involving airlines. France, the UAE, Taliban, India, Morocco, and Argentina also warn. Israel warns of 19 terrorists inside the USA planning something big, and even names at least 4 of the alleged hijackers. And the USA does nothing to act on these warnings, and it ignores warnings from 4 FBI offices as well. Now that's LIHOP, right?

So now some of Bush's co-conspirators are getting worried. "Gosh, all these warnings we've got to ignore, people are going to think we're real stupid."

Bush says "That's what we want them to think. They're going to think we're so stupid that there's no way we possibly could have planned this. And besides, we can have our propaganda guys out there saying 'Well, it can't be LIHOP and MIHOP both, everybody knows that. so it must be it's not LIHOP or MIHOP.' That'll keep those nosy journalists chasing their tails for years."

For MIHOP to succeed, it has to be LIHOP as well. You can't Make It Happen if you don't Let It Happen too.

So I don't see any contradiction between LIHOP and MIHOP, and neither you nor Pat has demonstrated one.

 
At 21 May, 2014 17:49, OpenID mgferris said...

"So I don't see any contradiction between LIHOP and MIHOP"

Because you're a moron.

Example#1: US Gubmint's super secret cabal rigs the towers and Pentagon to blow, then hijacks airplanes to add to the show. Goal: $$$ or whatever.

The is MIHOP

Example #2: FBI & CIA uncover an Al Qaeda plot to attack targets in NYC, and DC. They forward the information up the chain of command, but those at the top decide not to act in order to some insidious agenda.

This is LIHOP

Example #3: Super secret Gubmint cabal plans to attack on 9/11/2001 using Arab-types, and CD. All along the way they suppress warning flags about the coming strike.

This is still MIHOP.

That the government shuts down lines of investigation to ensure success does not change the fact that they are behind the entire thing.

It is really that simple, and it is why you fail.

 
At 21 May, 2014 17:50, OpenID mgferris said...

"So I don't see any contradiction between LIHOP and MIHOP"

Because you're a moron.

Example#1: US Gubmint's super secret cabal rigs the towers and Pentagon to blow, then hijacks airplanes to add to the show. Goal: $$$ or whatever.

The is MIHOP

Example #2: FBI & CIA uncover an Al Qaeda plot to attack targets in NYC, and DC. They forward the information up the chain of command, but those at the top decide not to act in order to some insidious agenda.

This is LIHOP

Example #3: Super secret Gubmint cabal plans to attack on 9/11/2001 using Arab-types, and CD. All along the way they suppress warning flags about the coming strike.

This is still MIHOP.

That the government shuts down lines of investigation to ensure success does not change the fact that they are behind the entire thing.

It is really that simple, and it is why you fail.

 
At 21 May, 2014 18:23, Blogger snug.bug said...

Great job, mgf, of refuting the proposition that there's no difference between MIHOP and LIHOP. Truly masterful work. Of course since nobody claimed there was no difference, the glory in doing so is limited.

The question is not "is there no difference between camels and horses?" The question is Pat's and RGT's claim that MIHOP and LIHOP are mutually exclusive. You didn't demonstrate that they are. You only demonstrated that they are different. Which we already knew, but thanks anyway.


 
At 22 May, 2014 06:34, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

For MIHOP to succeed, it has to be LIHOP as well. You can't Make It Happen if you don't Let It Happen too.

Now you're just playing word games again, inventing your own private meanings for terms. Cool story though.

 
At 22 May, 2014 07:04, Blogger Ian said...

So Brian has been completely pwn3d by RGT and MGF on the question of MIHOP and LIHOP and demonstrated that he doesn't understand the meaning of either, which is not surprising given that he doesn't understand anything about 9/11 and doesn't even understand how to mop floors correctly. That's why he has no job and lives with his parents and can't afford a decent haircut and is ignored when squealing about heroes like Willie Rodriguez.

 
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At 22 May, 2014 07:42, Blogger snug.bug said...

RGT, you're still not explaining why MIHOP and LIHOP are mutually exclusive. I had a salad last night with both beets and olives. Imagine that! Are beets and olives mutually exclusive? Why? I took a shower and used soap and shampoo. Are soap and shampp mutually exclusive? Why? My nephew goes to work and he rides a train and a skateboard. Are trains and skateboards mutually exclusive?

 
At 22 May, 2014 07:43, Blogger snug.bug said...

Lyin Ian, I know the meaning of LIHOP and MIHOP.

 
At 22 May, 2014 09:21, Blogger Ian said...

No, you demonstrate that you don't, especially with your idiotic salad analogy. You don't understand what "mutually exclusive" means either.

Really, Brian, you need to leave serious stuff like 9/11 to the adults and stop embarrassing yourself.

 
At 22 May, 2014 09:34, Blogger snug.bug said...

I understand what "mutually exclusive" means. It seems that Pat and RGT don't, because they are unable to explain the basis for their claims that LIHOP and MIHOP are mutually exclusive.

There's nothing idiotic about the salad analogy. Beets and olives are an example of different things that are not mutually exclusive. LIHOP and MIHOP too are examples of different things that are not mutually exclusive.


 
At 22 May, 2014 10:40, Blogger Ian said...

See what I mean?

 
At 22 May, 2014 11:22, Blogger snug.bug said...

No I don't. Pat and RGT seem to regard it as self-evident that if the officials deliberately ignored warnings that terrorist attacks were going to happen (LIHOP) that means that officials could not have been involved in those attacks (MIHOP). I have been trying to get a logical explanation of this assumption, and all I get is bald assertion and repetition and insults.

They also seem to think that if officials were involved in the attacks (MIHOP), then that means the officials could not have ignored the warnings (LIHOP). I have been trying to get a logical explanation of this assumption, and all I get is bald assertion and repetition and insults.


 
At 22 May, 2014 11:47, Blogger Ian said...

Of course you don't. You lack the mental ability to mop floors. Understanding mutually exclusive things is way beyond your capabilities, as you continue to demonstrate with your posts.

Stick to watching Barney the Dinosaur DVDs.

 
At 22 May, 2014 11:48, Blogger Ian said...

Also, insulting you is fun!

 
At 22 May, 2014 12:32, Blogger snug.bug said...

My posts demonstrate that I do understand mutually exclusive things, and that Pat and RGT and you do not.

 
At 22 May, 2014 12:57, Blogger Ian said...

False.

 
At 22 May, 2014 17:00, Blogger snug.bug said...

Liar.

 
At 22 May, 2014 17:46, Blogger snug.bug said...

I'm still not seeing any of these "fabulous" images of Willie picked up anywhere--not amongst the 9/11 Truthers, and not in the mainstream. Gee, Pat, do you think it's possible that you were pranked by someone claiming to be Willie who gave you fabricated images?

And whatever happened to Guitar Bill, anyway? He used to be quite liberal with his diction and his libels.

 
At 23 May, 2014 11:33, Blogger Ian said...

Guitar Bill likely got bored of you since he was trying to reason with you. I, on the other hand, realized quickly that it was much better to taunt and humiliate you. For example, it's been 5 years since I first told you that the widows have no questions, and despite your hysterical squealing and spam, you still haven't demonstrated that I'm wrong.

Also, you're a failed janitor who lives with his parents and can't afford a decent haircut.

 
At 23 May, 2014 11:44, Blogger snug.bug said...

Guitar Bill was likely warned by some credible person that his campaign of libelous SEO linkspam was putting him in serious legal jeopardy.

Also, he was surely tired of getting pwned at every turn. LIke most of you "debunkers" he simply invented the assumptions necessary to support his conclusions, and could not support them with actual facts. The record on that is clear.

I have demonstrated many times that the widows have questions, Lyin Ian. Check out appendix 4 at justicefor911.org for the list. Also they wanted answers to questions they raised at the time the Behrooz Sarshar material was declassified.

Your belief that if I don't have an $80 haircut, then I can't afford one is based on silly assumptions. I wouldn't get an $80 haircut even if you paid me $500 to do it.

 
At 23 May, 2014 14:34, Blogger Ian said...

The widows have no questions.

 
At 23 May, 2014 15:45, Blogger snug.bug said...

That's a lie, Ian.

 
At 23 May, 2014 17:11, Blogger Ian said...

False

 
At 24 May, 2014 07:57, Blogger snug.bug said...

Liar.

 
At 24 May, 2014 16:33, Blogger snug.bug said...

So where in AE911Truth's "9/11 Reality" pamphlet do these images of Pat and James's buddy Willie Rodriguez appear? I didn't see them there.

AFAIK AE9/11Truth has never taken Willie's claims of 22-story collapses and basement bombs seriously enough to even investigate them, let alone endorse them. Willie has never appeared in an AE911Truth video that I know of.


 
At 24 May, 2014 16:41, OpenID mgferris said...

"Guitar Bill was likely warned by some credible person that his campaign of libelous SEO linkspam was putting him in serious legal jeopardy.

Also, he was surely tired of getting pwned at every turn. LIke most of you "debunkers" he simply invented the assumptions necessary to support his conclusions, and could not support them with actual facts. The record on that is clear."

Actually, Bill has a real job, and a life (unlike you), and probably realized there is no point in arguing with you because:

1. You are mentally ill.
2. Your illness precludes you for deep reading, and understanding complex issues.

3. You don't care if you're wrong.
4. You never read any of the supporting links for his statements (probably because you know you cannot understand them), and continue to argue your failed ideas.

I suspect Bill has discovered the greatest revenge: Being happy, enjoying his life, and generally being a better human than you will ever be.

 
At 24 May, 2014 16:48, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 25 May, 2014 11:07, Blogger snug.bug said...

mgf, if I am mentally ill, you and Guitar Bill should have little difficulty in showing errors in my thought processes. You haven't and you can't.

There is no reason to believe that the anonymous liar who calls himself "Guitar Bill" has a "real job", and your evidence-free belief that there is only shows your epistemic incompetence.

I care if I'm wrong. That's why I avoid being wrong by (unlike almost all of the other posters in these comments) avoiding making statements I can't prove.

I read the links for Bill's claims, which is why I knew that his claims were nonsense unsupported by his links.

Guitar Bill engaged in a campaign of aggressive internet linkspam libel. Happy people do not behave like that.

His unethical behavior caught the attention of at least one IT professional.


 
At 25 May, 2014 17:19, OpenID mgferris said...

"f I am mentally ill, you and Guitar Bill should have little difficulty in showing errors in my thought processes. You haven't and you can't."

It has been pointed out hundreds of times.

For example: You claim to have debated Willie Rodriguez, yet you have not. A debate was set up by Pat, and you declined.

Yet you claim to have defeated him in a debate that never occurred.

This alone is a sign on mental illness. You believe your own lies.

You spout 9-11 conspiracies all the time, yet claim you do not. (It's all in writing right here on SLC).

Your behavior regarding Carol Brouillet alone reveals that you are deeply disturbed. This is based on her well known personal accounts.

"I care if I'm wrong. That's why I avoid being wrong by (unlike almost all of the other posters in these comments) avoiding making statements I can't prove."

Yet you do this all the time.


 
At 25 May, 2014 18:59, Blogger snug.bug said...

I have debated someone who posts under the name "William Rodriguez" in this forum many times.

I have pointed out that his hero story is an impossible lie becauee the people he claims he "saved" will not corroborate his claims, they were not trapped behind locked exit doors, and death statistics show that the survival rate on his floors was no higher than any other floor under the impact zone.

I also pointed out that Wilie stole his hero story from Pablo Ortiz, who saved dozens before died on 9/11.

Willie is unable to refute these truths.

What 9/11 conspiracies have I "spouted"? That's ridiculous. When some fool (like you, for instance) claims that demolition charges could not have been planted in the towers, I point out the towers' 15 miles of elevator shafts were adjacent to most of the major structural columns of the building, and provided ample opportunity for planting explosive or incendiary charges. That is not a conspiracy theory, that is simply a fact.

My behavior with Mrs. Brouillet has been exemplary and gentlemanly. For example, I protected her interests when Willie Rodriguez threatened them.

Name one statement I have made that I can't prove.

I note you did not even try to refute any of what I said about Guitar Bill--because you can't.

And what about Lyin Ian who lies blatantly, saying things like "there are no widows"? Why are you complicit in his nonsense by
your silence?









 

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