Truther "Art" Accepted at WTC Museum
According to this interview, anyway:
Here's the "art" in question:
Not pleased, but I suppose I can understand why they accepted the piece; it gets the kooks off their backs, as they can say they provide both sides of the story. And there's no guarantee it will ever be displayed.
posted by Pat @ 10:15 PM
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91 Comments:
"Petagon"?
It's illustrative art for a news article, not fine art. It seems to depict a researcher's story board. "Petagon" could reflect hasty or fatigued label-making, or is perhaps the researcher's pun intended to invoke the functional necessity of the pet goat incident to the success of the Pentagon attack.
Now I suppose Ian and MGF will claim I admitted that I created the painting in question.
And Ian will even quote me as saying "I created the painting in question."
And he'll quote me as saying "I admitted that I created the painting in question."
Poor Brian. He's obsessed with me because I'm so much smarter, happier, more successful, and better looking than he could ever hope to be.
On that note, Brian, you should know that I have a new job. I got a big raise from a large corporation that wanted me to join their team. I celebrated by popping an EXPENSIVE bottle of champagne, and going out to eat at an EXPENSIVE restaurant with my wife. The I got a terrific haircut before taking the new position.
You wouldn't know anything about what that's like, since you have no job, no romantic life, and can't afford expensive champagne or restaurants. You can't even afford a decent haircut!
And you still haven't gotten a single question from the "widows" answered, you still haven't gotten "meatball on a fork" published, you still haven't convinced anyone that Willie Rodriguez is a fraud, and you still haven't gotten a new investigation into 9/11. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!
Ianinny, your belief that we should accept your unsupported brags suggests that you yourself believe unsupported claims of anonymous internet posters, which leads inevitably to the reasonable inference that you believe a lot of stuff that just ain't true.
Ianinny, your belief that we should accept your unsupported brags suggests that you yourself believe unsupported claims of anonymous internet posters, which leads inevitably to the reasonable inference that you believe a lot of stuff that just ain't true.
I don't believe the claims of anonymous internet posters. For example, when you tell us that the widows have 273 unanswered questions, I don't believe it.
Of course, you're not anonymous. Everyone knows who you are because you're too stupid to keep your identity a secret. That's how we humiliate you by reminding you that you're unemployed and live with your parents.
[b]"Petagon" could reflect hasty or fatigued label-making, or is perhaps the researcher's pun intended to invoke the functional necessity of the pet goat incident to the success of the Pentagon attack. [/b]
As if reading a pet goat story had any influence on the success of the pentagon attack :o)
But that is the beauty of 911truth, since it is all just a phantasy, there are no limits...
"Petagon" could reflect hasty or fatigued label-making, or is perhaps the researcher's pun intended to invoke the functional necessity of the pet goat incident to the success of the Pentagon attack.
It's clearly an anagram for "Op agent".
th, the Commander in Chief sat on his incommunicado ass reading a goat story during the time when he should have got up and asked "Is there fighter cover over DC?"
The 9/11 Commission claims that the DC area fighters were not in the air until 9:30 and that instead of defending DC they flew straight out to sea.
If Bush had simply done the obvious and in a timely manner ordered fighters into the sky above DC, the Pentagon strike might have been prevented.
Bush's inaction was essential to the success of the Pentagon attack.
th, the Commander in Chief sat on his incommunicado ass reading a goat story during the time when he should have got up and asked "Is there fighter cover over DC?"
I n00t point considering that Cheney gave the shoot down order for AA77 when they found out it approached the pentagon.
The 9/11 Commission claims that the DC area fighters were not in the air until 9:30 and that instead of defending DC they flew straight out to sea.
All not related to Bush.
If Bush had simply done the obvious and in a timely manner ordered fighters into the sky above DC, the Pentagon strike might have been prevented..
Nope, that is just what you phantasize..
As if a shoot down order coming from Bush would not have confused the pilots into going in the wrong direction.
Bush's inaction was essential to the success of the Pentagon attack.
Nope, you just are making that up.
Like you always do...
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th, you are simply loony tunes.
In what way does the 9/11 Commission's claim that Cheney ordered shot down a plane that they said had already crashed make moot the point that Bush's failure to issue an order to defend DC was essential to the success of the Pentagon attack?
Where did you get the idea that Cheney ordered Flight 77 shot down as it approached the Pentagon?
The failure of the DC fighters to get into the air until 9:30 and their flying east out to sea are a direct consequence of Bush's failure to order a fighter cover over DC. If he had ordered cover in DC, they would have gone to DC--not headed east out to sea--and they would gotten there in time to intercept flight 77.
Bush's inaction was essential to the success of the Pentagon attack.
You are very confused. You should try checking your facts before trying to make out that you know what you don't.
So Brian, I'd like to know why there wasn't any reports of the fires erupting when the firefighters poured water on the thermite?
Thermite reacts very violently with water, not in an explosive sense but a flammable sense.
And if Bush had done whatever Brian thinks he should have done, Brian would be posting spam about how Bush knew the location of the hijacked plane, and knew its target, and thus was behind the attacks. Non-falsifiable beliefs are fun. Especially when babbled by a failed janitor who lives with his parents, and whose opinions matter to nobody.
Anyway, the real "pet goat incident" is something else entirely. You see, Brian called himself "pet goat" when he used to post spam on Democratic Underground. He then posted a mass of scribbles, called them "meatball on a fork", and said that some day, a journal of engineering would publish something like it and validate his views on 9/11.
The response from the DU crowd was what you'd expect: merciless taunting and ridicule that left Brian squealing and crying. Just like here.
Stewie, where do you get the idea that water reacts violently with thermite? You make stuff up.
Ianinny, please don't try to fortune-tell what I would do under other circumstances. You're not competent to report what I do under current circumstances, let alone past circumstances.
Pat, you're mixing two mutually exclusive arguments. On the one hand you claim that the museum's acceptance of the painting should shut the kooks up. On the other, you suggest that that's okay, because maybe the museum won't display the painting.
So do you think the kooks will be shut up if the museum doesn't display the painting? And what if they do display it? What does that do to your suggestion that they won't?
The tenure here of fools like Ianniny, th, MGF, and Stewie has made a joke of this website.
Whatever happened to your buddy Willie Rodriguez, anyway? He ran away screaming and crying after I showed that his hero story was an impossible lie--and he hasn't been back. Not even his sock puppets sabba and cbsf have been back.
Stewie, where do you get the idea that water reacts violently with thermite? You make stuff up.
Fun to see how you answered your own question :o)
You're not competent to report what I do under current circumstances, let alone past circumstances.
But you are not qualified to determine who is competent and who is not.
Whatever happened to your buddy Willie Rodriguez, anyway?
Ah, your obsession again.
Well, Pat has shown what happened to Willy: he is totally accepted in society, being invited to the 911 memorial opening, giving speeches in front of large audiences in the US and Mexico, being photographed in the present of (former) presidents and other high ranking people in the US govt, etc..
I fully understand that you try to block that from your memory: far too painful...
In what way does the 9/11 Commission's claim that Cheney ordered shot down a plane that they said had already crashed
I think you should first take a deep breath and count to 20 before replying, Brian...
You are making a mess of it.
The 911 commission got aware of the shoot down order and interviewd Mineta about it. He stated that he did not hear the order itself, but did witness a conversation between the vice president and an aide about an incoming plane.
At that moment, AA77 was still in the air, not crashed into the pentagon as you no claim.
make moot the point that Bush's failure to issue an order to defend DC was essential to the success of the Pentagon attack?
Because that order was given by Cheney already.
Furthermore, for some reason you believe that defending the capital from air is like riding a bike; you hop on it and go.
Not the case. settig up the defense of the major cities took over an hour, so they became in place at the moment the attacks were over.
Where did you get the idea that Cheney ordered Flight 77 shot down as it approached the Pentagon?
It is what mineta described and confirmed by several other people, including cheney himself.
The failure of the DC fighters to get into the air until 9:30 and their flying east out to sea are a direct consequence of Bush's failure to order a fighter cover over DC.
Nope, as the order to shoot don AA77 was already given by Cheney.
If he had ordered cover in DC, they would have gone to DC--not headed east out to sea--and they would gotten there in time to intercept flight 77.
And shoot down a passenger plane above DC?
Are you really that moronic?
Bush's inaction was essential to the success of the Pentagon attack.
Nope, it was not in any way. The military had it already covered.
You are very confused.
Your usual bladiebla, Brian.
You always come with such nonsense when you cannot cope..
You should try checking your facts before trying to make out that you know what you don't.
You are the one making up stuff, not me.
With your 'if this, if that', etc...
The tenure here of fools like Ianniny, th, MGF, and Stewie has made a joke of this website.
Poor Brian. He's hysterical because we humiliate him every day. It's soon going to be the 6th anniversary of when Brian first started spamming this blog, and he STILL hasn't gotten a single question from his invisible widows answered.
Whatever happened to your buddy Willie Rodriguez, anyway? He ran away screaming and crying after I showed that his hero story was an impossible lie--and he hasn't been back. Not even his sock puppets sabba and cbsf have been back.
Nobody cares about your homosexual obsession with Rodriguez.
It's also funny that Brian thinks people should be at this blog constantly. I guess when you have no job, no friends, no family, and nothing better to do than spam blogs (like Brian does), you expect everyone to be here constantly.
Sorry, Brian. I have better things to do with my life than respond to your spam. Still, it gives me great pleasure to watch your hysterical squealing, so I make sure to come here to humiliate you and mock your hideous homeless mullet.
And I see you have no response to me talking about you as "petgoat" and your ridiculous "meatball on a fork" scribbles. Of course you don't. I just pwn3d you.
Stewie, where do you get the idea that water reacts violently with thermite? You make stuff up.
Oh do I you stupid some of a bitch?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ9hy93_6do
Again another video showing how flammable thermite is when there's moisture(water) present.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxdY5ODJ_n8
th, you demonstrate your intellectual incompetence in almost every post. I'm sure it's no secret to you that you're not exactly an organized thinker.
I have no painful memories of Mr. Rodriguez. I did my bit to take him down, and he was taken down. That he gets photographed with scumbags (and only with scumbags) makes me happy. And as yet, neither one of those "fabulous" pictures of Willie with famous scumbags has been reposted at any 9/11 Truth website that I know about.
The 9/11 Commission claimed that Cheney issued the shootdown order only after flight 77 crashed. You really should try informing yourself before you try to pass yourself off as an expert.
Your belief that it takes a fighter jet an hour to get from Langley AFB to DC is a real hoot. You have a lot of funny ideas. You think you know how the world works and clearly you haven't a clue that you haven't a clue. You think the military had it covered? Then why did flight 77 hit the Pentagon?
Mineta didn't describe any shootdown order, th. You're making it up. How could Cheney order a shootdown when there were no planes to do it?
Lyin Ianinny, your lyin iananity don't have the power to humiliate anyone. You pwn yourself, and you don't have the smarts to see it.
Stewie, thermite does not react violently with water, and your videos do not show that it does.
You are very confused.
Thermite is used for underwater welding. If it reacted violently with water, that would be impossible.
th, you demonstrate your intellectual incompetence in almost every post. I'm sure it's no secret to you that you're not exactly an organized thinker.
I have no painful memories of Mr. Rodriguez. I did my bit to take him down, and he was taken down. That he gets photographed with scumbags (and only with scumbags) makes me happy. And as yet, neither one of those "fabulous" pictures of Willie with famous scumbags has been reposted at any 9/11 Truth website that I know about.
The 9/11 Commission claimed that Cheney issued the shootdown order only after flight 77 crashed. You really should try informing yourself before you try to pass yourself off as an expert.
Your belief that it takes a fighter jet an hour to get from Langley AFB to DC is a real hoot. You have a lot of funny ideas. You think you know how the world works and clearly you haven't a clue that you haven't a clue. You think the military had it covered? Then why did flight 77 hit the Pentagon?
Mineta didn't describe any shootdown order, th. You're making it up. How could Cheney order a shootdown when there were no planes to do it?
Lyin Ianinny, your lyin iananity don't have the power to humiliate anyone. You pwn yourself, and you don't have the smarts to see it.
Stewie, thermite does not react violently with water, and your videos do not show that it does.
You are very confused.
All this spam and nobody cares. Brian remains a failed janitor who lives with his parents and still hasn't managed to get a single question from the widows answered. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!
th, you....
just your usual bladiebla, name calling, etc. Brian.
Why can't you discuss something without it?
What is that with you? Is there so much anger inside you?
Did you fail so badly in life that all you can do is insult other people in a desperate attempt to feel greater?.
I have no painful memories of Mr. Rodriguez.
Yes you do, if you just did take him down and was done with it, you would leave it like that. But you don't .
In stead, in almost every single thread on this blog you ask about him.
The 9/11 Commission claimed that Cheney issued the shootdown order only after flight 77 crashed.
Nope, AA77 had not crased at that moment.
You really should try informing yourself before you try to pass yourself off as an expert.
I never said i'm an expert.
that is what you phantasize about: arguing with experts and being better than them.
Your belief that it takes a fighter jet an hour to get from Langley AFB to DC is a real hoot.
Well, it is a real hoot that you believe you can defend a whole city with just one fighter. I was talking about the defense system they put up above washington, including multiple jets and an awacs plane.
You have a lot of funny ideas. You think you know how the world works and clearly you haven't a clue that you haven't a clue.
Nope, you are the one with ideas, believing that if bush in stead of cheney ordered the shoot down, the jets would not have flown in the wrong way.
You think the military had it covered?
Nope, but you do, as you claim one single jet can defend the capital, while i clearly stated that it took over an hour to establish a defense system above washington.
You seem to have a reading problem.
Then why did flight 77 hit the Pentagon?
Because the scrambled jets arrived too late. And like you explained earlier but apperently already have forgotten: they were too late because they went the wrong way.
Mineta didn't describe any shootdown order
Never said that.
But you act like a real truther, bouncing off the walls as soon as i mention mineta in combination with the shoot down order.
How could Cheney order a shootdown when there were no planes to do it?
Funny question, as you yourself state that Bush could have done it without planes. But of course, you don't realise that.
You are just bouncing of the walls to get the shoot down order off the table..
Stewie, thermite does not react violently with water
It does, just like burning cooking oil reacts violently with water if you try to put it out using water.
But of course, you don't know that.
Did you fail so badly in life that all you can do is insult other people in a desperate attempt to feel greater?
Well, he also joined a crackpot conspiracy cult to make himself feel better about his wasted life, but unfortunately, he was banned from the truth movement for being a sex stalker.
But yes, Brian failed spectacularly at life, given that he's been living with his parents and unable to hold down a job for the last 40+ years. It's what happens when, instead of attending class in college, you just do a bunch of LSD and sniff a bunch of glue.
Lyin Ianinny, your obsessive posting of lying iananity continues.
What makes you think I have wasted my life? I never joined any crackpot conspiracy cult, I was never banned from the truth movement, and I have never been a sex stalker. You don't know where I live, what my employment situation is, or what my educational attainments are. You are a libelous liar. Cease and desist.
Speaking of crackpot cults, how come none of you clowns has the smarts to recognize that Willie Rodroguez's hero story is impossible, it is not corroborated by anyone, and he has zero support in the truth movement?
th, the observation that you are intellectually incompetent is not "name-calling". It is an observable, objective, demonstrable fact.
Exhibit 1: Your ludicrous claim that the Air Force "had it covered" as flight 77 flew into the Pentagon.
You clowns have no rational answer to my proof that Willie Rpdriguez's hero story is impossible and fraudulent or to his cowardly refusal to comment on the issue. All you can do is make an irrational and pruriently emotional appeal to motive argument, and you can't support that without lying and without citing liars.
You can defend a whole city with ONE FIGHTER when it's only being attacked by one airliner. Thanks for demonstrating yet again your intellectual incompetence.
I didn't say Bush ordered a shootdown. If Bush had ordered fighter cover over DC, the F016s would not have flown out to sea. Thanks for demonstrating yet again your intellectual incompetence.
You said the military had it covered. Now you say they didn't have it covered. Thanks for demonstrating yet again your intellectual incompetence.
You said that Cheney ordering Flight 77 shot down as it approached the Pentagon "is what mineta described." Now you deny that you said Mineta described a shootdown order. Thanks for demonstrating yet again your intellectual incompetence. You can't remember your own lies. Maybe if you would stick to facts and check them you could remember what you said.
I never said Bush could shoot down flight 77 without planes. Thanks for demonstrating yet again your intellectual incompetence.
Stewie claimed that "Thermite reacts very violently with water, not in an explosive sense but a flammable sense." Thermite does not react with water violently in a flammable sense. If it did, underwater welding with thermite would be impossible. Thanks for demonstrating yet again your intellectual incompetence. It is surely no secret to you, so I don't know how you think that hiding behind an anonymous screen name can change your nature.
I feel bad picking on someone who is obviously mentally challenged--but when he so obsessively and pugnaciously insists on lying about 9/11 and there is no criticism of his lies by more responsible proponents of his positions I lose patience.
Stewie, thermite does not react violently with water, and your videos do not show that it does.
You are very confused.
Sure and you've got nothing to debunk what I already know about thermite. So since you can't debunk it then it's as real as you or I.
Actually you're confused cause you never talked about water reacting to thermite and you're just whining that I covered it and you didn't.
Thermite is used for underwater welding. If it reacted violently with water, that would be impossible.
Looking the way you do, now that's impossible.
http://www.hms-beagle.com/MSDS/Thermit.pdf
Fire Hazards in Presence of Various Substances:
Highly flammable in presence of moisture. Flammable in presence of open flames and sparks.
Fire Fighting Media and Instructions:
Flammable solid. Moisture reactive material. SMALL FIRE: Obtain advice on use of water. Use
DRY chemical powder. LARGE
FIRE: Use water spray or fog. Do not use water jet.
Handling and Storage
Precautions:
Keep locked up Keep under inert atmosphere. Keep container dry. Do not ingest. Do not breathe
dust. Avoid contact with eyes
Never add water to this product Wear suitable protective clothing If ingested, seek medical advice
immediately and show the
container or the label. Keep away from incompatibles such as oxidizing agents, acids.
Incompatibility with various substances:
Reactive with oxidizing agents, acids. Slightly reactive to reactive with moisture. The product reacts violently with water to emit flammable but non toxic gases.
Corrosivity: Not considered to be corrosive for metals and glass.
Fucking eat it Brian.
You got a problem with thermite Brian? Call them up you retard:
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Brian lies about thermite underwater welding.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbaric_welding
Wet underwater welding directly exposes the diver and electrode to the water and surrounding elements. Divers usually use around 300-400 amps of direct current to power their electrode, and they weld using varied forms of arc welding. This practice commonly uses a variation of shielded metal arc welding, employing a waterproof electrode. Other processes that are used include flux-cored arc welding and friction welding. In each of these cases, the welding power supply is connected to the welding equipment through cables and hoses. The process is generally limited to low carbon equivalent steels, especially at greater depths, because of hydrogen-caused cracking.
http://www.plansee.com/en/Products-Forming-and-machining-tools-Welding-electrodes-Resistance-welding-68.htm
tungsten electrode and the copper electrode
Still no proof that thermite is used in welding on any welding rods.
Looking a little pathetic aren't ya Brian? Or am I just "making it up" like you say?
I did my research on thermite and all you can do is bitch at me about it and say I'm "wrong"? Fuck you Brian, you're just here to annoy the fuck out of people because you can't get your way. Sorry but the world doesn't revolve around "Brian's World".
Stewie, why do you cite a science store in Kansas City as an expert on thermite?
Can't you find a more authoritative source?
Here is a youtube showing thermite burning underwater.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0twTXVlneY
There is no reason to believe it burns any more intensely underwater than in air.
Your belief that the use of electric welding underwater disproves the proposition that thermite is used to weld underwater is irrational. It's like saying that my local cab company uses priuses, and thus there is no such thing as a Crown Victoria taxi or a Checker taxi.
th, the observation that...
Just more bladiebla coming from you, Brian.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Your ludicrous claim that the Air Force "had it covered"
Never claimed they had it covered.
You just make up stuff as you go.
I clearly stated that once the Air Force had it covered, the attacks were over.
You clowns have no rational answer to my proof that Willie Rpdriguez's
There you go again, totally off topic talking about your obsession.
You never cited any proof and you always forget that you are posting on a debunkers blog that has proven allmost every single truther to be a liar, including Rodriguez.
You can defend a whole city with ONE FIGHTER
Never seen such a stupid argument in my life.
But no surprise, as it comes from you.
I didn't say Bush ordered a shootdown.
I never said you did.
You should do something about your reading abilities. It is your native tongue! Learn how to use it!
If Bush had ordered fighter cover over DC, the F016s would not have flown out to sea.
If this, if that.
Pure speculation, nothing more, nothing less.
Thanks for demonstrating yet again your intellectual incompetence.
Mirrortalk.
You said the military had it covered.
Nope, you just can't read..
Now you say they didn't have it covered. Thanks for demonstrating yet again your intellectual incompetence.
You are just bouncing of the walls again.
You should take your ritalin at the prescribed times, Brian.
You said that Cheney ordering Flight 77 shot down as it approached the Pentagon "is what mineta described."
Nope, i said that the 911 commission interviewed mineta about the shoot down order and that he did not hear the order itself, but witnessed a conversation about it with an aide.
Now you deny that you said Mineta described a shootdown order.
Again, learn how to read.
You earlier started bouncing around about statements by Pat made about buying the painting, now you start bouncing around about what i think i have said..
I never said Bush could shoot down flight 77 without planes.
Nope, and i never said that you said that.
For once, stop bouncing and read properly what others are stating.
Stewie claimed that "Thermite reacts very violently with water, not in an explosive sense but a flammable sense."
Typical example of your misunderstanding about what people actually say.
Thermite does not react with water violently in a flammable sense. If it did, underwater welding with thermite would be impossible.
Nope, you are completely wrong about that.
You compare to entirely different scenarios with each other.
I feel bad picking on someone..
No you don't, that is why nobody want to discuss anything seriously with you and that is why everyone resides to insulting you.
Well, he also joined a crackpot conspiracy cult to make himself feel better about his wasted life, but unfortunately, he was banned from the truth movement for being a sex stalker.
And the odd thing is: he still looks up against the truther movement.
Reminds me of a phrase Prince used in one of his songs:
"So low, the curb looks like a sky scraper"
In Brians life, the truther movement is that curb..
Your belief that the use of electric welding underwater disproves the proposition that thermite is used to weld underwater is irrational.
your the one who should provide proof for your claims, not stewie.
Until you have proven your claim, it is m00t.
how come none of you clowns has the smarts to recognize that Willie Rodroguez's hero story is impossible, it is not corroborated by anyone, and he has zero support in the truth movement?
you actually believe that support from the truther movement would mean anything on this blog?
Stewie, why do you cite a science store in Kansas City as an expert on thermite?
Can't you find a more authoritative source
Atleast I get my info from other sites. Unlike you do, you stick your guns to YouTube vids.
Your belief that the use of electric welding underwater disproves the proposition that thermite is used to weld underwater is irrational.
There isn't thermite in any of the welding rods Brian. You can argue with me about it til you're blue in the face, still won't change what I already researched.
th, if you would stick to facts you wouldn't embarrass yourself so much. You just make stuff up--and then you can't remember what you made up.
Your response to my statement that Bush's inaction was essential to the success of the Pentagon attack was to say: "The military had it already covered."
Now you say you "never claimed they had it covered." You can't even remember what you said. Your intellectually incompetence is wasting everyone's time.
I have repeatedly provided the proof that Willie's hero story is impossible. The proof is the death statistics. Only about a hundred civilians died under the impact zones. There was no pool of office workers needing help to support Willie's claim that he saved hundreds.
You can defend a city against one unarmed airliner with one jet fighter. This is axiomatic.
There is nothing speculative about the proposition that if Bush had ordered fighter cover over DC, fighters flying out to sea would have been a violation of his order and would not have happened. You make stuff up.
You said the idea that Cheney ordered Flight 77 shot down as it approached the Pentagon "is what mineta described". Now you deny it. It seems you can not remember the stuff you make up.
In response to my question about
how Cheney could order a shootdown when there were no planes to do it you said "you yourself state that Bush could have done it without planes." Now you deny that you said that. You make stuff up and then can't remember what you made up.
I didn't misunderstand Stewie. I quoted him. You make stuff up and you're a waste of time.
I didn't misunderstand Stewie. I quoted him. You make stuff up and you're a waste of time.
I'll take that as an ass whoopin. Compliments of me!
Where's the thermite in the welding rods Brian?
http://www.magnesium-elektron.com/data/downloads/ds430mgweldrod.pdf
Stewie, thermite doesn't use welding rods.
th, if you would stick to..
Just your usual mirror talk, brian.
You always amuse me with that.
Your response to my statement that Bush's inaction was essential to the success of the Pentagon attack was to say: "The military had it already covered.
Yup, and you made up all kinds of phantasies about what i meant with it and started to debunk your own phantasies.
Quite amusing to see you do that.
I have repeatedly provided the proof that Willie's hero story is impossible.
Nope, you have repeatedly said that you provided proof.
That is a different thing.
And also bogus: this is a debunkers blog. Willy has been covered years ago and his lies have been revealed by people like mark roberts.
Your whole obsession of willy is completely m00t.
You can defend a city against one unarmed airliner with one jet fighter. This is axiomatic.
Again bladiebla, Brian.
You yourself acknowledged that they scrambled jets to intercept AA77.
There is nothing speculative about the proposition that if
If this, if that..
That is speculation, Brian.
Nothing more, nothing less.
You have no idea what orders Bush would have given if he was not reading a pet goat story in the class room.
You said the idea that Cheney ordered Flight 77 shot down as it approached the Pentagon "is what mineta described".
The commission asked mineta when he got aware of the shootdown order. He stated he didn't hear the actual order, but did witness a conversation about it with an aide, while a plane was approaching Washington.
It is quite funny to see how you constantly try to attack me, in stead of looking at the facts.
Because if you did, you would simply have quoted the 911 commmission report on what Mineta stated.
Like this:
MR. HAMILTON: We thank you for that. I wanted to focus just a moment on the Presidential Emergency Operating Center. You were there for a good part of the day. I think you were there with the vice president. And when you had that order given, I think it was by the president, that authorized the shooting down of commercial aircraft that were suspected to be controlled by terrorists, were you there when that order was given?
MR. MINETA: No, I was not. I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?
In response to my question about
how Cheney could order a shootdown when there were no planes to do it you said "you yourself state that Bush could have done it without planes."
Well, if you stopped bouncing of the walls and start reading properly, you might yourself figure out what i stated.
You made the silly statement that cheney could nog give a shoot down order if there were no planes available.
One of the most stupid claims i ever heard.
And at the same time, you do suggest that Bush could have prevented the pentagon attack by ordering planes to defend the capital.
That is soooo funny, Brian...
Cheney places the order, no planes available,
Bush places the order, all of the sudden: planes available.
And even more, you yourself said the planes scrambled to intercept AA77 went the wrong way.
So no planes available, and at the same time there were planes...
Take some more ritalin, brian.
Stop bouncing while placing comments..
I didn't misunderstand Stewie.
Yes you did. You even misunderstood the youtube video you placed with thermite burning under water, which actually demonstrated a violant reaction between the two.
But that does not surprise me...
I quoted him.
Quoting someone does not mean you actually understand what you are quoting, Brian...
You make stuff up and you're a waste of time.
The usual mirror talk.
Also a fun statement, as you have been going round in circles for years now on this blog.
Undicisettembre has a new interview with a 757 pilot up. Worth a look.
http://undicisettembre.blogspot.com/
Ah yes, this is the kind of humiliated, hysterical squealing that makes it so much goshdarn fun to taunt Brian.
What makes you think I have wasted my life?
The fact that you spend all of your time posting spam about 9/11 truth nonsense.
I never joined any crackpot conspiracy cult
9/11 truth is a crackpot conspiracy cult.
I was never banned from the truth movement, and I have never been a sex stalker.
False and false
You don't know where I live, what my employment situation is, or what my educational attainments are.
You live with your parents in Palo Alto, you have no job, and you failed out of San Jose State.
You are a libelous liar. Cease and desist.
My, such squealing!
Speaking of crackpot cults, how come none of you clowns has the smarts to recognize that Willie Rodroguez's hero story is impossible, it is not corroborated by anyone, and he has zero support in the truth movement?
Nobody cares about your homosexual obsession with Rodriguez.
You make stuff up and you're a waste of time.
I love that Brian periodically calls every one of us a "waste of time", and yet he's continued to post the same spam on this blog for the past 6 years.
You'd think he'd stop doing that if we were a waste of time. But then again, he has nothing else to do, given that he has no job, no friends, no family, and was banned from every other blog or message board where he has posted stuff.
Stewie, thermite doesn't use welding rods.
Any type of welding has welding rods you god damned liar.
Stewie, gas welding and thermite welding do not employ welding rods.
It's pretty dumb not to know what you're talking about. It's even dumber not to know you don't know what you're talking about.
Ian, you are a waste of time. Correcting your lies is not a waste of time. Glad I could clear that up for you.
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th, It seems that you are unaware that the phrase "mirror talk" is meaningless to everyone but you. You are a waste of time.
I do not have enough interest in what you meant to have a "phantasies" about it. I go by what you said. You said "The military had it already covered" and then denied that you said it. You are a waste of time.
Willie Rodriguez has been been celebrated on this blog long after he was exposed as a fraud, and you are the first of the anti-truthers here who has ever acknowledged that he is a liar. You are a waste of time.
Your belief that jets were scrambled to intercept flight 77 is another one of your invented "facts" that you can not support. The 9/11 Commission claims that the Langley fighters were scrambled to intercept flight 11, not 77. You are a waste of time.
There is nothing speculative about the proposition that if Bush had ordered fighter cover over DC, fighters flying out to sea would have been a violation of his order and would not have happened. You are a waste of time. You make stuff up and you don't know the difference between speculation and cause-and-effect.
Your extract of Mr. Mineta's testimony is not from the 9/11 Commission Report, silly. You are a waste of time. You don't know the difference between an official report and your lying propaganda websites.
I did not say what you claim. You are a waste of time. I did not say Cheney could not give a shoot down order if there were no planes available.
I asked you to explain "How could Cheney order a shootdown when there were no planes to do it?" and you have not done so. You are a waste of time. You claimed that Cheney's shoot-down order made Bush's "Pet Goat" stunt a moot point. But how could Cheney's shootdown order make Bush's inaction moot when Cheney apparently neglected to order planes into place to perform the shootdown? You are a waste of time.
You claimed that the Langley fighters' course over the sea was not related to Bush--even though Bush's order of fighter cover over DC would have prevented the fighters flying out to sea. You are a waste of time.
The video of the thermite burning under water did not show a violent reaction between the two. You are a waste of time.
th, It seems that you are unaware that the phrase "mirror talk" is meaningless to everyone but you.
That is just your phantasy, Brian...
You are a waste of time.
your problem, not mine.
I do not have enough interest in...
Nobody cares that your interest is, brian.
You said "The military had it already covered"
yup and you started to fantasize about it.
and then denied that you said it.
Nope, i denied your fantasy.
You are a waste of time.
You already said that.
Just another buzz wordt of you.
Willie Rodriguez has been been celebrated on this blog long after he was exposed as a fraud
Yup and as Pat stated, he did that to annoy you.
And he succeeded.
and you are the first of the anti-truthers
anti truthers...
You yourself admitted that truthers like rodriguez lie..
here who has ever acknowledged that he is a liar.
I have pointed out several times that mark roberts exposed willy in 2006 and 2007.
You are a waste of time.
You said that already..
But well, all you have is time to waste, as ian has pointed out many times.
Your belief that jets were scrambled to intercept flight 77 is another one of your invented "facts" that you can not support.
The pilot that arrived at the pentagon just after the plane hit it was even interviewed about it.
You of course don't know that, as you won't find that on truther sites...
You are a waste of time.
And you keep on wasting it...
There is nothing speculative about the proposition that if
if...
That is speculation, Brian.
You are a waste of time.
I hope you have a copy/paste shortcut for that one.
You make stuff up and you don't know the difference between speculation and cause-and-effect.
if this, then that would happen..
In your case: speculation, brian.
You don't know how Bush would have reacted to 911 if he was in the whitehouse in stead of in an elementary school.
Your extract of Mr. Mineta's testimony is not from the 9/11 Commission Report, silly.
It is from one of your beloved truther sites that try to bend his statement into a stand down order.
You don't know the difference between an official report and your lying propaganda websites.
And you did not manage to quote the report to show the difference between the two quotes.
But it pleases me to see that you call truther websites lying propaganda websites...
I asked you to explain "How could Cheney order a shootdown when there were no planes to do it?"
You should ask cheney that.
and you have not done so.
Nope, i did not place the order, so don't ask me how i could do it.
You claimed that Cheney's shoot-down order made Bush's "Pet Goat" stunt a moot point.
Indeed, as the military already took action against the attacks, including a shootdown order.
But how could Cheney's shootdown order make Bush's inaction moot when Cheney apparently neglected to order planes into place to perform the shootdown?
fantasies again, Brian..
you now fantasize that cheney placed a shoot down order, but did not order planes to perform it.
You are a waste of time.
i start to believe that that is actually mirror talk, Brian...
You claimed that the Langley fighters' course over the sea was not related to Bush
You have not proven that it is..
--even though Bush's order of fighter cover over DC would have prevented the fighters flying out to sea.
Speculation, Brian..
Again.
You are a waste of time.
And yet you say the same stuff over and over again.
The video of the thermite burning under water did not show a violent reaction between the two.
It did, but you are too thick to recognize it...
That is the fun with you.
You have no idea in what way burning thermite and water would react to each other, so you don't know what to look for.
th, you don't know what you're talking about and have no interest in finding the truth. You are a waste of time.
You really believe you have any part in that, Brian?
LMAO!!!
Undicisettembre has a new interview with a 757 pilot up. Worth a look.
Thanks for the tip.
It is nice to see that he puts effort in finding the truth about 911 by looking up experts himself in stead of babbling about youtube videos with experts speaking out who turn out to be no experts at all in the involved fields..
The video of the thermite burning under water did not show a violent reaction between the two. You are a waste of time.
You're still an idiot Brian. Thermite reacts to moisture and water is still moisture.
No, you're wasting YOUR time, not ours.
Stewie, gas welding and thermite welding do not employ welding rods.
Doesn't matter. Thermite can't turn into a gas and it's not in any of the welding rods. You're losing ground on this Brian.
It's pretty dumb not to know what you're talking about. It's even dumber not to know you don't know what you're talking about.
Talking to yourself are you Brian?
Poor Brian. He's babbling about how we're a waste of time, and yet he'll keep spamming this blog because he has nothing else to do. He has no job, no friends, no family, and has been banned from all the 9/11 truth sites. A movement with serious academics like Jim Fetzer, Judy Wood, and Bill Deagle doesn't want anything to do with someone like Brian.
Stewie, your videos do not show thermite reacting with water. They provide no evidence that the thermite is burning any more strongly in the water than it burns in air.
A quote attributed to Will Rogers goes: "It isn't what we don't know that gives us trouble, it's what we know that ain't so."
Ian, quit libeling me. It's not funny. I've asked you nicely.
He can't quit what he isn't doing.
"It isn't what we don't know that gives us trouble, it's what we know that ain't so."
Right. You "know" that the WTC was destroyed by magic spray-on thermite and invisible silent explosives (both planted by elves) on orders from the Bush administration. It ain't so, but that hasn't stopped you from posting thousands of pages of dumbspam here and elsewhere that makes you an endless target of ridicule.
Ian, quit libeling me. It's not funny. I've asked you nicely.
Squeal squeal squeal!
th, malicious lying about someone is libel. It's a crime for good reason.
You're exposing your ignorance yet again.
Lyin Ianinny, I never said the WTC was destroyed by thermite and explosives, let alone by magic spray-on thermite and invisible silent explosives, let alone planted by elves, let alone on orders from the Bush administration.
You are lying because you can't prevail on the facts. Any fool can engage in ridicule by lies, and you're living proof that any fool does.
There is no malicious lying involved, Brian.
That is the whole point
You don't know what you're talking about. Ian's claims are untrue and they are intended to damage my credibility and my reputation. That is malicious lying, and it is libel.
This is why 9-11 Truth fails:
1. Zero evidence. 13 years later there is no evidence of a conspiracy on any level beyond the Al Qaeda plot.
2. Continually changing their claims as they are revealed to be without merit.
3. No credible experts in the field of demolition or structural engineering are 9-11 Truthers. The majority of A&E Truth are not qualified to debate the collapse of any of the buildings at the WTC complex. This includes Gage himself.
4. A weal premise to begin with.
#4 is a big one. In their paranoid and delusional zeal to assert that explosive brought down the towers and building 7 they undermine their own argument. The simple fact is that an organization that could place demolition charges inside multiple buildings - undetected for days or weeks - and then setting them off is terrifying by itself.
If explosives were used the planes were not needed. And if explosives were used by a group that would have had unprecedented access to multiple buildings in the busiest part of Manhattan, under already tight security from the 1993 bombing, then why not use them without warning when the buildings were packed? Killing 50,000 people is a greater terror statement than 3,000.
This alone details the lack of basic logic displayed by Troofers when they talk about the subject.
4. The government failed to act because idiots are in control at key positions, not from some cabal. The FBI, CIA, INS, and Customs all dropped multiple balls. The US Government was never designed for this kind of threat, and this was evident after the Boston Marathon Bombing where the FBI received a direct warning from the Russian FSB yet blew it off.
The War on Terror underlines our inability to counter threats on a tactical level, and prior to 2001 we could begin to address it on a strategic level.
Nobody who posts on SLC thinks the government should get a pass. People should have been fired at the very least. In a few cases it happened, but not on the level it had to.
5. The roots of 9-11 Truth are in antisemitism thinly veiled by leftwing rhetoric. 9-11 Truth began with a French white supremacist, and has never strayed far from his original allegations. Those few who continue to espouse 9-11 Truth today are mostly mentally ill, or completely mentally ill.
Well, you do see some changes in the truth movement, as after all those years they started to realise that there is zero proof for any of their hypothesis.
You see that as well with Brian, who refuses to take a stand on what happened with the wtc towers. He just babbles about a new investigation into the collapses, just like ae911truth is doing. While in 2006 the truth movement shouted that 911 was an inside job, in 2014 they merely say that that has to be investigated.
Ian's claims are untrue
He and others with him have shown many times that their claims about you are true.
and they are intended to damage my credibility and my reputation.
I don't think that he adds anything to the damage you are doing yourself to your own credibility and reputation.
There is simply nothing left to get damaged.
MF, almost invariably when a peedunker claims there is "zero evidence" he is only demonstrating his ignorance and denial of the evidence.
Changing your opinions in response to new evidence is only rational. Of course no one could accuse you of changing your opinions or rationality.
AE911Truth has 119 structural engineers, 3 of them PhD structural engineers. Also 40 high-rise architects. They have experts experienced in explosives and demolitions.
Your #4 is silly. Do you honestly think al Qaeda can sneak into a building that houses offices of the CIA and the DoD and plant explosives? I have many times explained why explosives alone were not enough, and planes were necessary. I have also pointed out that the 9/11 terrorists appear to have taken many measures to minimize casualties, and they did not do very simple things they could have done to disrupt the evacuations of the buildings. If they had attacked later in the morning and obstructed the evacuation they could have killed 30,000 people instead of 3,000.
The rest of your diatribe does not deserve response.
th, you're a liar. Lyin Ian has never shown that any of his claims about me are true. They are not true.
AE911Truth has 119 structural engineers, 3 of them PhD structural engineers. Also 40 high-rise architects. They have experts experienced in explosives and demolitions.
Well, that is all nice then.
and what did all that expertise bring them? Do they have any evidence that the buildings were blown up?
I have many times explained why explosives alone were not enough, and planes were necessary
Well, that is a nice spin, Brian..
Earlier you claimed that you never said explosives and/or thermite was involved.
Now you claim that the purpose was to blow up the buildings, but needed planes as well in order to do so..
But that is the beauty of 911truth: since it is all based on fantasies, there are no limits..
And you can babble all you want about ian not proving his points: you are alone on that on this blog. Everyone else acknowledges that he has proven his point to you.
Some babbling of brian:
, I never said the WTC was destroyed by thermite and explosives,
and
I have many times explained why explosives alone were not enough
Stewie, your videos do not show thermite reacting with water. They provide no evidence that the thermite is burning any more strongly in the water than it burns in air.
You got your ass kicked on the thermite issue. I pulled up facts that thermite is highly flammable when moisture is present. All you can do is talk shit and prove how much of a fucking retard you really are.
th, I am not going to waste my time trying to educate a liar. Your question is ignorant. Do your homework.
I never said explosives and/or thermite was involved. Explaining why explosives alone would not make a satisfactory terrorist op does not contradict that in any way. I'm sorry that you lack the brainpower for contingent thinking, but that's not my fault.
Anybody who claims that Ian has proven his libelous lies is lying.
That means you.
Stewie, thermite does not react with water. You pulled up nothing that said that iron-based thermite is very flammable with moisture.
Your incompetent efforts to prove how smart you are must be a source of great frustration to you. You kick your own ass and think it's mine.
Lyin Ianinny, I never said the WTC was destroyed by thermite and explosives, let alone by magic spray-on thermite and invisible silent explosives, let alone planted by elves, let alone on orders from the Bush administration.
False.
Changing your opinions in response to new evidence is only rational. Of course no one could accuse you of changing your opinions or rationality.
Except you have no new evidence. Your "evidence" is the same nonsense it's been since the beginning: "essential mysteries", "widows with questions", and assorted other nonsense.
AE911Truth has 119 structural engineers, 3 of them PhD structural engineers. Also 40 high-rise architects. They have experts experienced in explosives and demolitions.
See what I mean? You're still babbling about architects and engineers as if it's relevant in any way.
th, you're a liar. Lyin Ian has never shown that any of his claims about me are true. They are not true.
Squeal squeal squeal!
Brian, it's been demonstrated many times here that you were banned from the truth movement.
I never said explosives and/or thermite was involved.
False.
Anybody who claims that Ian has proven his libelous lies is lying.
Pointing out facts about you is not "libel". You're just trying to squelch my free speech. Typical Bushcist.
I am not going to waste my time trying to educate a liar.
I know, that is why you are still stuck in the same arguments you are using for years now on this blog: you are unable to educate yourself.
Your question is ignorant. Do your homework.
So you cannot answer it.
Was to be expected.
I never said explosives and/or thermite was involved.
Like I stated earlier.
But since you have a reading problem, you did not understand that part.
Explaining why explosives alone would not make a satisfactory terrorist op does not contradict that in any way.
The fun is that that whole question is wrong.
The question of the truther movement is not if explosives would have been enough, but if planes crashing into the towers would have been enough.
They argue that planes would not have been enough and that a controlled demolition had to follow.
Anybody who claims that Ian has proven his libelous lies is lying.
Nope, everyone can just read the statements of Ian about you and the quotes and links to sources that confirm it.
Stewie, thermite does not react with water.
it does, as your own video demonstrated.
But you are too thick to notice that.
You pulled up nothing that said that iron-based thermite is very flammable with moisture.
this is the first mention of iron-based thermite in the discussion, so your whole point is m00t.
You kick your own ass and think it's mine.
mirrortalk again, Brian.
Lying Ianinny, there is evidence. The widows' 273 unanswered questions and the 10 unanswered essential mysteries are evidence. You are a liar.
I never said the WTC was destroyed by thermite and explosives, let alone by magic spray-on thermite and invisible silent explosives, let alone planted by elves, let alone on orders from the Bush administration. You are a liar.
Architects and engineers are relevant to MF's ignorant claim that "no credible experts in the field of demolition or structural engineering are 9-11 Truthers."
You are not pointing out any facts about me. You are telling libelous lies about me. That's a crime for a reason: it's an abuse of free speech.
The widows' 273 unanswered questions and the 10 unanswered essential mysteries are evidence.
Wow, questions and mysteries are evidence..
You must be real desperate, Brian.
Care to tell what that evidence proves?
I don't think you dare.
Architects and engineers are relevant to MF's ignorant claim that "no credible experts in the field of demolition or structural engineering are 9-11 Truthers.
You have not shown any relevance, Brian.
You have not even named 1 member of ae911truth that is a credible expert.
Not even 1.
Lying Ianinny, there is evidence.
followed by:
I never said the WTC was destroyed by thermite and explosives, let alone by magic spray-on thermite and invisible silent explosives, let alone planted by elves, let alone on orders from the Bush administration.
So whatever evidence you claim to have, it does not prove any of the above.
Unanswered questions are evidence of the incomplete nature of the official reports that did not answer them.
I didn't show any videos of thermite reacting with water. Thermite doesn't react with water. You are very confused.
The existence of 119 structural engineers, 3 of them PhD structural engineers, and 40 high-rise architects, all of whom demand new investigations of 9/11 is relevant to MF's ignorant claim that "no credible experts in the field of demolition or structural engineering are 9-11 Truthers."
Your inability to see the relevance goes a long way to explain why you are so confused about 9/11.
Unanswered questions are evidence of the incomplete nature of the official reports that did not answer them.
Nope, they are not.
You cannot expect that reports will answer every question of every person. And the list you provided contains all kinds of unrelated questions that one cannot expect to be answered.
So it proves nothing.
I didn't show any videos of thermite reacting with water.
Yes you did, but are too thick to recognize it.
That is the fun with you..
Thermite doesn't react with water.
A m00t point, as you have not provided any evidence for it. To the contrary: you showed a video with thermite burning under water, showing a reaction between the two..
You are very confused.
mirrortalk.
The existence of 119 structural engineers, 3 of them PhD structural engineers, and 40 high-rise architects, all of whom demand new investigations of 9/11 is relevant to MF's ignorant claim that "no credible experts in the field of demolition or structural engineering are 9-11 Truthers."
Nope, it is not.
You have not shown in any way that they are credible experts in the fields involved.
Just naming numbers does not make them credible experts.
And i'm not the one confused about 911, you are.
13 years after the events, you still are unable to determine what happened and what not.
th, you frame the issue dishonestly, as usual. Nobody says a report must answer every question of every person to be complete.
What unanswered questions on the list are "unrelated" and what do you mean by "unrelated"? Unrelated to what?
I didn't show any videos at all. The videos were Stewie's. That you are too thick to recognize it goes a long way to explain why you are so confused about 9/11.
That thermite does not react with water is relevant to Stewie's claim that water increases its flammability. Your inability to recognize this goes a long way to explain why you are so confused about 9/11.
We can presume that licensed structural engineers are credible experts on structural engineering. If you think they are not, it is up to you to show why.
What makes you think I'm confused about 9/11? I'm clearer about 9/11 than the whole bunch of you. I know what I know and I know what I don't know. Unlike you clowns here, who don't know what you don't know, and think you know things and don't know they're not true.
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