Reliable Sources

I was at the local Barnes & Noble after work (I know it is hard for you troofers to understand, but this is not my job) and came across Jim Marr's new book, The Rise of the Fourth Reich: The Secret Societies That Threaten to Take Over America, ostensibly a serious look at the evil secret underworld of America.

Now I have no intention of buying this book of course, but I flipped through it for a couple of minutes. I find that the best way to evaluate a book quickly is to look at the footnotes, and see who the author sources. Much to my shock, albeit amusement, I found an entire paragraph devoted to the revelations of none other than Lauro Chavez there on page 358.

Well at least he did his research.

Deja Vu All Over Again

I was watching the video of the recent Arizona conference. It is full of rather interesting moments, including our very own Pat, but I found this part especially amusing (mostly because it proved me right once again). Jim Marrs from 26:35 in:

I interviewed Sergeant Lauro Chavez who was with US Central Command, he said that on the morning of 9/11 they were in the middle of wargame exercises. One of the exercises involved hijacker airplanes being flown into the World Trade Center. When it happened, they were flabbergasted, they turned on CNN, they were watching the same scenes we all saw, they said how can it be that what we were here wargaming has now happened in real life. And I am sure that most of those people are still in the military, most of them are still quiet. They are not sinister conspirators, but they all participated in what happened on 9/11. And that's why we haven't heard anything out of it. As long as the official position is that it was Osama bin Laden and his 19 hijackers, these people will continue to be quiet.

Uhh Jim, those people did not participate in 9/11, in fact the man you interviewed did not participate in 9/11! As I mentioned 6 months ago, even though Lauro Chavez was proven to be a total fake, that will not stop conspiracy theorists from citing him as a source. This would make no less than 3 members of the "Scholars" who have cited him as a witness AFTER it already came out that he was a complete fake. Do these people have any standards whatsoever for evidence? That is an honest question, I would really like to know. Is there anything at all they will not cite as evidence if it supports their viewpoint?

Funny Idea of the Truth

I was listening to this interview posted recently by Alfons, of the group Veterans for 9/11 Truth with Michael Cook. Michael Cook is the teacher who showed one of his coworkers his gun, and then when asked by investigators why he carried a gun said it was because the CIA was after him and 9/11 was an inside job. He was soon committed to a mental hospital and is now facing hearings on his sanity. A tragic case regardless.

Anyway, aside from this strange case, I was amazed to hear this part of the interview towards the end, when one of our old friends makes an appearance.

Alfons: Have you heard of a fellow down there named Lauro Chavez?

Michael: Say again?

Alfons: Lauro Chavez.

Michael: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know him. We hung out a little bit, he came to one of our meetings.

Alfons: Uh huh.

Michael: And we did a Loose Change screening at NKU.

Alfons: Uh huh.

Michael: And he was there. I haven’t talked to him a lot since then. I was out of the loop for 45 days.

Alfons: He was at CENTCOM command and claims to have overheard the reference to the orders for stand-down of NORAD.

Michael: Yeah

Alfons: But he doesn’t have any evidence. I mean he can’t prove it, it is just his word.

Michael: Has it been verified that he was there? Because when I went in the first time, that was all… people were checking him out and wondering whether he was egit.

Alfons: I don’t think it’s verifiable. I don’t think anyone verified that.

Michael: OK

Alfons: But that’s his story and you know…

Michael: Well I thanked him for coming forward. He could be totally on the level. What kind of reason has somebody got to fake something like that?

Alfons: Yeah, I don’t see where there is anything to gain.

Michael: Yeah, exactly, that’s one of the things you look for.

Alfons: Yup.

The thing is, Alfons is well aware that the only evidence out on Lauro Chavez, is that he is a complete fraud with a photoshopped DD-214. I know this because I e-mailed him telling him this, when I found out he was listed in the Veterans for 9/11 truth "list of honor" last October. Alfons replied at the time, rather bizarrely:

James,

Lauro is entitled to membership so far, even if he is a liar, he is telling the right lie, his story is just not strong, it has not been estabished as false as of yet. If he is an operative, we want to keep an eye on him.

Alfons
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Interestingly enough, since being exposed here and in the JREF forum as a fraud, Lauro Chavez has completely disappeared from view, but the truthers continue to cite him as if his story just hasn't been proven and should still be considered.