Looks Like Alfons Is the Sane One

James highlighted a recent video by one of the founders of Veterans for 9-11 Nuttery. It was pretty pathetic; Alfons spent the first nine minutes shopping for food, after which he tried some "man in the supermarket" interviews on the topic of whether 9-11 was an inside job. This video does not fail to grip, mostly because of the lunatic performance by the Troofer in question, who is apparently Alfons' original co-founder.

The Most Pathetic Truther Video Ever

I have mentioned before about how I considered Alfons, the founder and head of the inaccurately titled Veterans for 9/11 Truth, one of the most pathetic members of the movement. I mean, how can you not feel sorry for someone who managed to retire from the Army at the rank of E-4, and appears to be about 35 cents above the poverty line, but he keeps on slandering the United States, not to mention the US Army, so sorry Fons, you won't get that much sympathy from me.

So with that said, this self videotaped 20 minute long epic bit of filmmaking of Alfons shopping at K-Mart easily has to be the most pathetic thing I have ever seen, even eclipsing that riveting scene where the Loose Change boys could not figure out how to use the token machines in the New York subways. I suppose, if anything, this could be used in a documentary to expose the poor state of mental health care in the Veterans Administration.




And no, I have not watched the whole thing. I am not willing to make that large of a sacrifice for this blog.

Veterans for Holocaust Denial?

The truthers keep on attacking us for bringing up Holocaust denial and the 9/11 "truth" movement, but it is not our fault that the links keep on popping up. The same twisted imagination, contempt for history and logic that allow you to believe that Auschwitz was a "caring place" (in Eric William's words) lead you to believe that the Jews/NWO/Bilderbergers secretly carried out 9/11. Here is another example from Alfons, the founder of Veterans for 9/11 Truth, that elite organization which counts among its members Lauro Chavez, Guy Razer and Donn de Grand Pre (also a Holocaust denier no less).

Alfons is probably one of the saddest characters of the 9/11 movement. I have this image of him sitting alone at home weeping over his monitor about why nobody will pay attention to him. In this MP3, nominally a radio show, but entirely a soliloquy on his part, he mostly rails against the recent Glenn Beck clip, which we posted below, and 23 minutes in, he has this to say in response to it:

Now they are saying that the 9/11 truthers are Holocaust deniers. I don't have any problem with people who do research into the Holocaust and find out that the story isn't true. There is a whole bunch of things surrounding 9/11, I mean World War II, and the history of it, the history of World War II, there is a whole bunch of things that are covered up and not right.

Uhh, sorry Alfons, the story is true, and I have a problem with that.

Donn de Grand Pre Returns

Several times I have asked the quesion of who exactly Donn de Grand Pre is. He claims to be a retired Army colonel, former OSS officer, and military insider who counts Chairmen of the Joint Chiefs Generals Shelton and Pace among his personal friends. When asked by Popular Mechanics Shelton and others Grand Pre claimed that he knew, stated they had never heard of the guy.

His name pops up again on the Veterans for 9/11 Truth mailing list (I still can't believe they haven't kicked me off yet), with one of their members asking about the guy (who is also listed as a member of the group), because apparently he had bought one of his books, and received several faxes that Grand Pre sent to General Pace. Note that Grand Pre sent them, not General Pace, which proves absolutely nothing. If you would like I could show you several e-mails I sent to my good friend Jessica Alba...

In any case, this is supposedly (somewhat dated) information from one of the faxes:

Memo for: Gen Peter Pace
Info: Col. Dick Niemela (USAF)
Col. Barry Taylor (USAF)
Lt. Col Bill Hellauer (USAF)
From: Col Donn de GP
Subject: Omani talks with Cheney
Date: 26 Feb 07

"What's this all about? You asked about Cheney's visit to Oman.

There may have been an attempt to arrest Dick Cheney when he departed Sidney, Australia. There was a shoot-out aboard the aircraft when US special forces making the arrest were attacked by Cheney's security goons. As yet, unknown number were killed.

Cheney's 757 took off and flew 3,500 miles to Singapore where re [sic] refueled, then departed for Oman, another 3,500 miles from Singapore. He is then depicted this morning shaking hands with Pres. Musharraf of Pakistan; and shortly, he leaves for Afghanistan to talk with Karzai.

I next spot Seymour Hersh this morning being interviewed by Wolf Blitzer of CNN, talking about Hersh's new article in the New Yorker (March issue), wherein Hersh is discussingthe US military plans for attacking Iran. A big question, apparently,is whether Israel will join in the attack.

Now, check your world atlas for the Middle East. Locate Israel, then Iraq and Iran, Problem is over-flight for Israeli F-16's and the need to get US clearance for use of IFF so the Israeli jets can get a straight-line pass over Iraq to the targets in Iran. Iraq, being a sovereign nation, will not share the IFF codes with Israel.

Why Oman? A likely out-of-the-way place to dispose of the bodies.

Apparently, Cheney concocted another reason. The Israeli jets would dog-leg the aerial path to the targets in Iran and fly over Oman, which gives approval to share the IFF codes with Israelis, all arranged beforehand between the USAF and the Omani government.

Major problem at the moment is that the Israelis and the neo-cons and Dick Cheney, the VP, want to strike Iran, whereas, the PRESIDENT must make the ultimate decision for the attack.

Question: Is Dick Cheney the ultimate "decider" instead of George Bush? We know now that the Join [sic] Chiefs, meeting in secret in the Tank, have already decided that such an attack will not be tolerated. At least five of the JCS - all 4-stars- have stated that if such an order is given, all of them will resign, and/or give the orders for "Plan C" (the counter coup).

The Oman thing is bizarre. For starters, does anyone really think that if Israel were to bomb Iran, the Iraqi airforce would stand in their way? Obviously the US Air Force has the IFF codes for Iraq, or hundreds of flights a day would be getting shot down. If you look at a map of the Gulf region, you will see that passing over Oman would only cut a few miles off of a ridiculously long trip around the Arabian Peninsula.

And don't even get me started about the Special Forces shootout on board Cheney's plane...

I was rather curious about the other three names listed besides Pace's. I couldn't find two of them, but Colonel Dick Niemela is apparently, big surprise, a member of the Christian identity movement.

As I have discussed before, Grand Pre has ties to Holocaust deniers and anti-Semites like the American Free Press and the Barnes Review. I actually managed to find a copy of his book "Barbarians Inside the Gate" on-line. (No way in hell am I paying for it). To no surprise two prominently listed sources in the footnotes are the aforementioned Barnes Review, and its associated Journal of Historical Review. The book as a whole is pretty bizarre, with chapters titled "FDR's Bloody Road to Bolshevism" and "Nazi-Zionist Secret Alliance". Oh yes, another towering intellectual figure in the truther movement.

More On the Alfons and Guy Show

Alfons posts another bizarre conversation between him and Mr. Razer. Mostly they just complain about the criticism they have received, from their fellow 9/11 truthers ironically. Guy also says that he has volunteered to speak in front of the House Science and Technology Committee which overseas NIST. Yeah, I am sure they are anxious to hear his expert testimony. The guy can't afford a tent but he is going to buy a suit and fly to Washington D.C. to testify. They posted some of his correspondence with NIST over at the V911T website. I somehow doubt any scientist is going to take this seriously:

My question to you Mr Newman is...How are you going to explain away facts so obvious that to cover them up is in itself an act pure cowardice and deserves severe punishment? As I said in my first communication, you are in a very precarious position indeed!!!

A BRIEF STUDY ON TEMPERATURE, STEEL, MELTING, KEROSENE (aka Jet Fuel)
AND
LARRY SILVERSTIEN'S [sic] BUILDINGS (aka WTC 1,2,7)
THAT HAVE A TENDANCY [sic] TOWARD
RATHER EXPLOSIVE COLLAPSE!!

and:

I TRULY DON'T BELIEVE THESE HEATERS ARE RUNNING A TEMPERATURE EVEN APPROACHING 1000 DEGREES KELVIN (1300+ DEGREES FARENHEIT [sic]) DO YOU???

I THINK THE RATHER THIN WIRE MESH
AND INEXPERNSIVE [sic] METAL
ON THESE HEATERS WOULD PROBABLY MELT
BEFORE THE WTC BUILDINGS' ASTM E119 UL CERTIFIED STEEL WOULD!!!
(The time temperature curves for the ASTM E119 standard require the samples to be exposed to temperatures around 2000 degrees farenheit [sic] for several hours) FULL ARTICLE BELOW...

This seems to be the e-mail, that brought up the threats he was talking about:

Mr Newman,

I know how busy you must be as you did not have the time or the courtesy to return my phone calls, which your Public Affairs representative vehemently promised you would do by close of business yesterday...you are quickly turning into an enemy of the Truth, which quickly makes you an enemy of my friends and of me...And if you think we are going away, you are not only mistaken, but severely so!!! That is a promise and a threat!

Funny Idea of the Truth

I was listening to this interview posted recently by Alfons, of the group Veterans for 9/11 Truth with Michael Cook. Michael Cook is the teacher who showed one of his coworkers his gun, and then when asked by investigators why he carried a gun said it was because the CIA was after him and 9/11 was an inside job. He was soon committed to a mental hospital and is now facing hearings on his sanity. A tragic case regardless.

Anyway, aside from this strange case, I was amazed to hear this part of the interview towards the end, when one of our old friends makes an appearance.

Alfons: Have you heard of a fellow down there named Lauro Chavez?

Michael: Say again?

Alfons: Lauro Chavez.

Michael: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know him. We hung out a little bit, he came to one of our meetings.

Alfons: Uh huh.

Michael: And we did a Loose Change screening at NKU.

Alfons: Uh huh.

Michael: And he was there. I haven’t talked to him a lot since then. I was out of the loop for 45 days.

Alfons: He was at CENTCOM command and claims to have overheard the reference to the orders for stand-down of NORAD.

Michael: Yeah

Alfons: But he doesn’t have any evidence. I mean he can’t prove it, it is just his word.

Michael: Has it been verified that he was there? Because when I went in the first time, that was all… people were checking him out and wondering whether he was egit.

Alfons: I don’t think it’s verifiable. I don’t think anyone verified that.

Michael: OK

Alfons: But that’s his story and you know…

Michael: Well I thanked him for coming forward. He could be totally on the level. What kind of reason has somebody got to fake something like that?

Alfons: Yeah, I don’t see where there is anything to gain.

Michael: Yeah, exactly, that’s one of the things you look for.

Alfons: Yup.

The thing is, Alfons is well aware that the only evidence out on Lauro Chavez, is that he is a complete fraud with a photoshopped DD-214. I know this because I e-mailed him telling him this, when I found out he was listed in the Veterans for 9/11 truth "list of honor" last October. Alfons replied at the time, rather bizarrely:

James,

Lauro is entitled to membership so far, even if he is a liar, he is telling the right lie, his story is just not strong, it has not been estabished as false as of yet. If he is an operative, we want to keep an eye on him.

Alfons
v911t

Interestingly enough, since being exposed here and in the JREF forum as a fraud, Lauro Chavez has completely disappeared from view, but the truthers continue to cite him as if his story just hasn't been proven and should still be considered.