Wednesday, September 27, 2006

Photoshop Follies

It appears that 9/11 "whistleblower" Lauro Chavez has now martyred himself and been fired. He doesn't say exactly what for, but based off of this thread on JREF, it may be for faking his DD-214. I was reluctant to latch on to this theory too quickly, but after looking at various examples on the thread, it appears to be a very solid hypothesis.

It also explains a lot of questions. For example, I was wondering why he has the Special Forces Qualification Course listed as "14 weeks", since the course is not 14 weeks long. Well, it seems it became 14 weeks long because those were the numbers that he had available. To demonstrate, here is the 4 weeks, from his entry for his PLDC (click to zoom).







And here is the entry for the 14 weeks for his Special Forces Q Course.







Notice that the "4WKS" is identical in both examples, to the pixel. Also note that the 1, in "14" is the same one as in 1997, and both 1997's are also identical to the pixel, even though the 9's in each one are completely distinct from each other. You can also see that the 1 in "14" overwrites both the forward slash and the "4" in a completely square manner, as if it has been cut and paste.

So where did he get the "Special Forces Qualification Course" that followed this, then?

Well, here is the "Q" in qualification.











And here is the HQ CENTCOM from the top.







Notice the missing line over the "Q CE" which also carries over identically to the other "Q", like someone missed something cutting and pasting.

If you go through you can match up all the letters in the Special Forces claim from somewhere else, take a look at the document, or the JREF thread for more examples.

Update: An even better example, which proves this is a fake beyond a shadow of a doubt (thanks once again to the guys at the JREF forum).

If you look, the "Y" in analyst from block 11 just doesn't seem right.






Well, that is because this font is a serif font, it has those little tails, but the "Y" is missing those, compare it with the ARMY from block 2.







Now you see the tails and the base. So where did this san serif font come from for a single letter? Well, that is in the part of the document which is filled in, the part of the document which is pre-set is in a different font, for example here is the word "ENTRY" from block 7b.






He copied that letter from a completely different font. Geez, has anyone seen Dan Rather lately?

64 Comments:

At 27 September, 2006 18:41, Blogger 911 Mysteries said...

could this be a "conspiracy theory"?

 
At 27 September, 2006 18:48, Blogger James B. said...

No, but I am sure you guys will make it into one.

Karl Rove and the Jews are behind it! Chavez is a crypto Jew name, everyone knows that!

 
At 27 September, 2006 19:03, Blogger Tony B said...

Why do people still think they can get away with this stuff? How many of these photoshop warriors have to get busted before they realize it's not going to work?

 
At 27 September, 2006 19:12, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

is this a conspiracy theory, perhaps, but unlike all the 9/11 "truth" conspiracy theories, this one has solid physical evidence to back it up...

TAM

 
At 27 September, 2006 19:19, Blogger CHF said...

If you twoofers have da twoof...

why all the bullshit?

 
At 27 September, 2006 19:28, Blogger 911 Mysteries said...

A few things (off topic) but in my head and (I think) worth mentioning. I know it's been menttioned before, but here's my take ...

re Mineta -

his testimony could have referred to:

- Pentagon flight and stand down (CT)

- Shanksville and a shoot down (official story?)

- False alarm and stand down

- The orders were Cheney's request for tea :)

Ok, so assume you're referring to Shanksville and a shoot down order. As the flight nears it's target, it would be more imperative to shoot down, so you would be less likely to question the order. After all, it's now or never (to shoot down), so by questioning the order, you could possibly lose your chance. The aide was obviously concerned about an impending accident and hence his persistance in notifying the number of miles out. would he question the shoot down if he were worried about an accident? he would want a shoot down ...

assume for a moment that there was a shoot down order and this was shanksville they were referring to (official story?) why were no fighters reported close to this flight before it crashed. why would the aide be concerned about 'the orders' if there were no fighters to perform a shoot down?

now of course, you could say 'the orders' were something else. but what else could Cheney have ordered in Washington?

now assume it's the pentagon flight and a stand down

- firstly this matches mineta's timeline
- secondly the pentagon flight was 50 miles out at this time
- thirdly it explains his repeated returns and concerns about an impending accident and action that needs to be taken.
- it explains a stand down

Last option

- It was a suspected flight that turned out to not be hijacked. Cheney ordered a stand down (rightly so) but the aide wasn't so sure

Feedback?

 
At 27 September, 2006 19:36, Blogger Richard said...

My feedback is you should stay on topic. Yes I know that feeling in your gut hurts but accept the fact that the truthers got a serious blow with this Chavez guy.

 
At 27 September, 2006 19:37, Blogger 911 Mysteries said...

another simplified take on Mineta

option 1 - "the orders" referred to a shoot down or a stand down

option 2 - "the orders" referred to something else

If option 1 is true, fighters had to be nearby. These were never reported in the offiical story, so it "must be" option 2.

What order can you think of that Cheney would give that required confirmation by an aide and caused exasperation in Cheney? (this implies it was something important)

 
At 27 September, 2006 19:38, Blogger 911 Mysteries said...

lol I could care less about Chavez ...

 
At 27 September, 2006 19:51, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

The aide was obviously concerned about an impending accident and hence his persistance in notifying the number of miles out. would he question the shoot down if he were worried about an accident? he would want a shoot down ...

Typical Tin Foil Hatter stance.
WASNT EVEN FUCKIN THERE AND DIDNT WITNESS SHIT yet this douchebag can state "obviously" about this situation.

You are beyond an asshole 911

 
At 27 September, 2006 19:54, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

Last option

NO ASSHOLE not even close to the "last option" since you WERENT THERE yet you speak as if it is gospel.

 
At 27 September, 2006 19:55, Blogger James B. said...

lol I could care less about Chavez ...



Then why are you posting in the commants on a post about about him? You do realize that this is a blog, right? Not a forum. Pat and I get to post subjects that we are interested in and others are invited to comment on them. They can even post arguments contrary to our opinions if they like.

However, if you wish to start conversations on topics which are completely unrelated, then please go over to the Loose Change Forum, or the many other forums which discuss these issues and go crazy starting your own threads.

 
At 27 September, 2006 19:55, Blogger 911 Mysteries said...

if you can think of any other possibilities please include them

 
At 27 September, 2006 19:56, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

What order can you think of that Cheney would give that required confirmation by an aide and caused exasperation in Cheney? (this implies it was something important)

I dont know asshole I wasnt there and unlike you I am not going to make up fantasies.

 
At 27 September, 2006 19:56, Blogger 911 Mysteries said...

well i kind of want your take on it, you see i already know the CT take, there is nothing left to "learn" over there

 
At 27 September, 2006 19:58, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

There is not much to "learn" over there to begin with but I guess if you dwell there long enough the insanity sort of just oozes into you.

 
At 27 September, 2006 19:59, Blogger 911 Mysteries said...

and my last question ...

why wasn't that "young man" interviewed under oath?

 
At 27 September, 2006 20:16, Blogger default.xbe said...

could this be a "conspiracy theory"?

i vote we change "conspiracy theory" to "massive coverup theory" since there are plenty of legitimate conspiracies but none requring thousands to keep it a secret

If option 1 is true, fighters had to be nearby.

not necessarily, it could have been a stadning order to shoot down any aircraft deemed to be hostile, or a standing order NOT to engage civilian aircraft

These were never reported in the offiical story, so it "must be" option 2.

there no evidence at all to tell what the order was, anything is nothing more than pure speculation

What order can you think of that Cheney would give that required confirmation by an aide and caused exasperation in Cheney? (this implies it was something important)

has mineta's testimony been corroborated by someone? anyone at all? surely someone else must have witnessed this exchange. cant we track down that aide?

im more inclined to believe minetas story is a sensationalized retelling

 
At 27 September, 2006 20:46, Blogger SFC B said...

I'd noticed the cut and paste job and was writing a post with the EXACT SAME images when I thought to check out SLC. Y'all beat me to the punch by about three hours. Damn you all. Obviously this is a conspiracy of some sort to deny me an extra 10 visitors. I demand an impartial panel investigate Screw Loose Change's use of mind-reading rays to beat me to writing a blog post. I also demand that I be allowed to choose who is on the impartial panel. If you don't agree to my demands you're obviously part of the conspiracy and a tool for the JOOOOOOOOOOOOS!

 
At 27 September, 2006 20:47, Blogger 911 Mysteries said...

"im more inclined to believe minetas story is a sensationalized retelling"

I think this is the only other plausible explanation. The order could have been to not evacuate the pentagon or something ... who the f*** knows? It's interesting.

 
At 27 September, 2006 20:48, Blogger 911 Mysteries said...

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At 27 September, 2006 21:09, Blogger Triterope said...

Once again we see the 9-11 Denier rotation in action. This blog post is about evidence of tampering in Lauro Chavez's documents, so that means it's time to talk about the Mineta testimony.

 
At 27 September, 2006 21:23, Blogger 911 Mysteries said...

why don't you start your own forums so "denier rotation" doesn't have to be done ?

 
At 27 September, 2006 21:33, Blogger James B. said...

Actually SFC, it was the guys at JREF, that is where we get all of our NWO\Illuminati marching orders from.

 
At 27 September, 2006 21:45, Anonymous Anonymous said...

9M -

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=60315

No need for "denier rotation". Five seconds on Google and you can discuss Mineta's testimony to your heart's content in an appropriate thread.

 
At 27 September, 2006 22:01, Blogger SFC B said...

Obviously the J in JREF stands for JOOOOOOOOOOOOOS!!! I'll get to the bottom of this. So help me you will all ocme to rue this day! Rue it you will!

Well, before I go making everyone rue things... how's the NWO/Illuminati dental plan? Any co-pay?

 
At 27 September, 2006 22:12, Blogger default.xbe said...

why don't you start your own forums so "denier rotation" doesn't have to be done ?

you can go to jref or the SLC forums, your pick

 
At 28 September, 2006 01:26, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

This looks shopped! I can tell from the pixels and having seen a lot of bad shops in my time!


Sorry I couldn't resist.

If memory serves me correctly, altering one's DD214 is a federal offense of some sort.

 
At 28 September, 2006 01:56, Blogger The Reverend Schmitt., FCD. said...

could this be a "conspiracy theory"?

I don't see how Alex Jones and various other high flyers in the 9/11 denial movement falling for an obvious phony really involves a conspiracy. No one's suggesting you guys all secretly made a pact to make yourselves look ridiculous.

-Schmitt.

 
At 28 September, 2006 03:35, Blogger Pepik said...

mysteryies,

Not only are you off topic, you are asking meaningless questions. Whether or know we have an explanation for every obscure anomaly on 9/11 is not really the issue. If we can't tell you what people were thinking at a particular moment five years ago, therefore what?

Come up with a theory and then tell it to us, we'll see if we can find any reason why it is LESS plausible that the "OT".

 
At 28 September, 2006 05:46, Blogger Good Lieutenant said...

When you know your story is complete BS, PHOTOSHOP IT!

How honest and truthful, just like the Twoofer movement at large. Way to go.

Where do you CT chumps find these losers? And why do they instantly achieve celebrity status, only to be demolished upon light scrutiny?

 
At 28 September, 2006 06:20, Blogger apathoid said...

911Blogger has just made a post about the photoshopping, wont be long until Lauros supporters turn on him. I almost pity the guy......almost.

Great job helping unmask yet another fraud James and Pat.

 
At 28 September, 2006 08:08, Blogger James B. said...

Hey, I was just building off of the work of others. My hat is off to all the guys at JREF who figured this out. I am almost embarassed that all the times I looked at this document I never noticed it. Amazingly there are still people at 911 blogger defending him. Those people will believe anything that validates them.

 
At 28 September, 2006 08:30, Blogger 911 Mysteries said...

I'm sure I could "debunk", your conspiracy theory re Chavez.

The simple fact is you have no proof that Chavez altered the document. I mean you were not there when he altered it. ANYONE could have altered and claiming he did it is pure speculation.

 
At 28 September, 2006 08:43, Blogger ScottSl said...

Chalk up another CT fraud! LOL!! When will these guys learn.

 
At 28 September, 2006 08:43, Blogger Swing Dangler said...

Well lets get his computer system's stats including graphic's card, version number of the scanning software, the scanner program and the scanner that he used to scan the document including any bios updates, paper grade, time and date, get a real discharge document from the same model of typewriter or printer, and then perform a scientific analysis of the document reproduction and post your results. If you don't take such measures, then screwloosers are promoting a 'conspiracy theory'. Because everything else is speculation until the scientific process takes place.

 
At 28 September, 2006 08:44, Blogger ScottSl said...

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At 28 September, 2006 09:06, Blogger SFC B said...

"The simple fact is you have no proof that Chavez altered the document. I mean you were not there when he altered it. ANYONE could have altered and claiming he did it is pure speculation."

Well, Infowars claimed that it was Chavez who provided the 214. And Chavez has posted twice on 911blogger and not once did he say it wasn't his 214, or that someone else had altered his DD214. But maybe it's possible he hasn't looked at the analysis of his own submitted document and doesn't realize the document he submited has been altered by a third party.

Assuming that's true, then who else could have altered it? It's hosted by Infowars so maybe they did? And the alterations to his 214 were done to make his documents match with the claims he made on Alex Jones' show. So, maybe Alex Jones had the DD214 altered to make for a better story. And since Jones claims to have verified Chavez's service record then that would mean he vouched for an altered document.

So, if Chavez didn't do the alterations 911mysteries, wouldn't that mean the alterations were made by either someone @ Infowars or working on behalf of Alex Jones? Whichever the case may be his DD214 has been altered, and the people who'd done the alterations are affiliated with the "truth" movement.

 
At 28 September, 2006 09:18, Blogger 911 Mysteries said...

All, I'm saying is, don't accuse people unless you have proof.

 
At 28 September, 2006 09:22, Blogger 911 Mysteries said...

I was actually driving home a point, that in most investigations, some assumptions are made.

This fits very well with Mineta's testimony. If we make one assumption, and that is the "order" referred to was as a shoot or stand down, the whole 9/11 commission report falls to pieces.

The disturbing thing is that something of this magnitude was not followed up. If there was truly nothing to hide, why wouldn't that "young man" have been interviewed, and why didn't dick Cheney agree to testify openly?

 
At 28 September, 2006 09:36, Blogger 911 Mysteries said...

there is always the possibility that something is being covered up but it's not what the truthers think. this is the most likely. they could be covering up incompetance. they could be covering up embarresments.

this is likely re prior knowledge of the hijackers.

the problem is secrecy and "cevering your ass" fuel even worse allegations

 
At 28 September, 2006 10:07, Blogger James B. said...

Short of a taped confession from Mr. Chavez I am not sure what more proof from us you could want. There isn't a single claim made by the whole 9/11 "truth" movement that has half as much proof.

 
At 28 September, 2006 10:24, Blogger CHF said...

911M - Chavez helped Tommy Franks set up and e-bay account to seel pottery.

Dude - wake up! The guy's fuckin with your head.

 
At 28 September, 2006 10:25, Blogger CHF said...

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At 28 September, 2006 10:26, Blogger CHF said...

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At 28 September, 2006 10:48, Anonymous Anonymous said...

there is always the possibility that something is being covered up but it's not what the truthers think. this is the most likely. they could be covering up incompetance. they could be covering up embarresments.

this is likely re prior knowledge of the hijackers.


I agree, it's entirely possible. As long as we're clear that we're talking about incompetance, not collaboration.

That's my biggest problem with the "truth" movement; they're distracting attention from real, constructive inquiry with their conspiracy fantasies.

We should all be debating how best to face the terrorist threat, what we could have done differently, what we couldn't have done differently, etc... Instead we're debating minutiae like whether the secretary of transportation got to the Pentagon at 9:20 or 10:00.

If you've got questions about the administrations competence in protecting us pre-9/11, 9M, let's hear 'em. I have the distinct impression you're out to prove the administrations comlicity in the attacks, though, and there simply isn't any evidence of that.

 
At 28 September, 2006 10:57, Blogger apathoid said...

I'm sure I could "debunk", your conspiracy theory re Chavez.

The simple fact is you have no proof that Chavez altered the document. I mean you were not there when he altered it. ANYONE could have altered and claiming he did it is pure speculation.


Jesus tap-dancing Christ, you people are pathetic! As James said earlier, its un-frickin-real that there are still people defending this guy. Even 911Blogger made a post about the obvious forgery. Its not a matter of opinion here - the document is photoshopped(and poorly photoshopped, at that) and his timeline for action in the Desert is off by weeks. There is only one possible outcome for the evidence - he is a fraud. Just accept it.

That fact that you're still clinging to this faker is telling of the level of self-delusion youre in. This type of thing should serve as a wake-up call as to the type of people that make up your movement. Instead, unbelievably, it reinforces your beliefs.

 
At 28 September, 2006 11:09, Blogger 911 Mysteries said...

"Jesus tap-dancing Christ, you people are pathetic! As James said earlier, its un-frickin-real that there are still people defending this guy"

I was being facetious ...

It's was retaliatory remark in response to constant demands of proof from the debunkers ....

 
At 28 September, 2006 12:28, Blogger apathoid said...

I glad, for your sake, that you were joking.
However, this is not a joke. The fact that people in your movement are entertaining the notion that the evil gubmint doctored Chavez's DD214 as a psy-ops ploy, should tell you a thing or two about the level of paranoia and delusion of Truthers. They can't just admit they've been had by a lying sack of shit of a Truther, noooo! It must be the gumberment making them look like fools...

 
At 28 September, 2006 12:30, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

There is proof that someone altered his DD214. No, there is no proof he did it, but since he is claiming it is genuine, and we have evidence it is not, he is guilty of lying about the legitimacy of his form.

TAM

 
At 28 September, 2006 14:31, Blogger Stevew said...

Just because they don't interview every whak with an opinion does not mean they are trying to hide something. Why would you interview somebody who is not relivent.

 
At 28 September, 2006 14:48, Blogger 911 Mysteries said...

"Why would you interview somebody who is not relivent"

Well if you think that inverview might lead to information that will directly contradict your current assesment, it would be wise to follow up on it ... that is if you truly are unbiased.

If it turns out to be irrelevant its just one more person ...

 
At 28 September, 2006 14:50, Blogger 911 Mysteries said...

In fact, the story as Mineta understood (he thought it was a shoot down) DIRECTLY CONTRADICTED the entire findings of the 9/11 commission. Not following up on this is unbelieveable.

 
At 28 September, 2006 14:52, Blogger Alex said...

Yes, but why would anyone think that? It takes a certain kind of mindset to see the things you're seing. Like Silversteins "pull it" comment. Only someone who's already decided that 9/11 was organized by the government would even notice that phrase, let alone start thinking of it as something omnious. Ditto for the Mineta testimony.

 
At 28 September, 2006 16:08, Blogger zippychippy said...

In regard to Chavez, someone over at 911blogger posted that a background investigation should be conducted on former military "whistleblowers" to see if their stories holds up before everyone gets all excited about new "evidence".

Good idea, but who's going to pay for it? The CTs won't put their money where their mouths are. The "independent investigation" they demand is never going to happen, not because the Bush administration won't allow it, but rather because none of these anonymous Internet folks are going to put up all the money it would take to conduct an investigation they would consider fair.

 
At 28 September, 2006 16:24, Blogger default.xbe said...

In fact, the story as Mineta understood (he thought it was a shoot down) DIRECTLY CONTRADICTED the entire findings of the 9/11 commission.

how so?

ive already explaine dhow standing orders do not necessarily imply a military presence in the area

 
At 28 September, 2006 17:32, Blogger 911 Mysteries said...

"how so?

ive already explaine dhow standing orders do not necessarily imply a military presence in the area"

In his testimony he explicitly mentions the Pentagon being hit. So the timeline is contradiction enough.

-----------------

video for you:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/270705testimonycensored.htm

 
At 28 September, 2006 17:51, Blogger Triterope said...

This is Leon Mineta. Leon Mineta lives on Endor. That does not make sense. If Leon Mineta does not live on Endor, then 9-11 was an inside job. Look at the monkey. Look at the silly monkey.

 
At 28 September, 2006 18:07, Blogger 911 Mysteries said...

Alex Jones also CLAIMS that this was edited out of the National Archives ... If that isn't a coverup, nothing is!

 
At 28 September, 2006 19:16, Blogger default.xbe said...

In his testimony he explicitly mentions the Pentagon being hit. So the timeline is contradiction enough.

well if thats the case his testimony was probably dismissed as being inaccurate

why isnt this in the comission report you ask? probably for the same reason all the otehr false leads the undoubtedly had were left out

same reason a detective doesnt mention dead-end leads when writing his case report

its not important!

Alex Jones also CLAIMS that this was edited out of the National Archives ... If that isn't a coverup, nothing is!

alex jones CLAIMS, eh? alex jones could claim the sky is blue and ims till not sure id believe him

 
At 28 September, 2006 20:02, Blogger CHF said...

zippychippy,

never mind the twoofers not paying for a new investigation...they don't even know who the hell should DO the investigation.

I keep asking them for names of experts who should look into 9/11.

Still nothing....

 
At 28 September, 2006 22:25, Blogger Profitsbeard said...

Dang!

There goes his PenSIoN!

The question is:

Why would he lie?

To serve an even greater Lie?

Thought of as: "The Greatest Truth"?

As they used to say when I served in the Army (no kidding), a true SNAFU.

(In adapted civilian parlance: Sh*thead Nutjob Acts Fundamentally Unsound)

 
At 29 September, 2006 14:26, Blogger 911 Mysteries said...

"well if thats the case his testimony was probably dismissed as being inaccurate"

inaccurate on what basis? if it was why doesn't Cheney challenge it openly? Why testify in secret? and then remove the 'contradiction' from the archves? why not inverview someone else in the PEOC? If you have evidence of such an interview, let me know ....

btw Mineta quit his job one day after Fetzer brought the issue up on FOX. What does that tell you? If he had truly made a mistake there would be no 'hurt feeling'

The twoofers got the twoof you just wool over your eyes ...

 
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