Tuesday, May 30, 2006

Who Are These Fruitcakes?

The more you get into investigating the people behind these 9/11 conspiracy theories, the more you realize how interconnected these theories are with every moonbat theory that has come along. Whether it be neo-nazi propoganda, faked moon landings, or the US military bombarding Jupiter with anti-matter weapons; 9/11 is just one component in the nutbag arsenal.

One example of this is LTC (R) Robert Bowman. When I did a post on the "Scholars" for 9/11 "Truth", arguing that they were not the experts that they claimed to be, a reader commented that I missed Mr. Bowman. Supposedly he was the "former director of Advanced Space Programs Development for USAF under Ford", which I suppose would qualify him somewhat as a conspiracy theorist, so I decided to give him a look.

Conveniently, he has a website, he is even running for Congress in Florida. As I pointed out up above, these people are always connected to some other bizarre belief, so which are his? Mr. Bowman is a Bishop in some splinter group of the Catholic Church. OK, a little odd, but I am not going to make fun of someone's religious belief, so on from there.

Well since he is running for Congress, what are his political beliefs? Well, he wants to pass a constitutional ammendment, which would essentially ban corporations and much of modern capitalism as I understand it. Yeah, good luck with that one, Colonel.

So what other conspiracy theories does he hold? Well among other things he belives that the war in Yugoslavia was started by the CIA. This has now become the 1990's version of Holocaust denial. In fact on his webpage, he asserts that the Srebrenica massacre did not even take place.

1994: The US media reported carnage, mass rapes, disembowelment, and massacres of children by Serbs when Izetbegovic troops pulled out of Srebrenica. UN investigating teams reported 7/24/95 that they could not find a single eyewitness to any atrocity, even though they interviewed hundreds of Muslims in Srebrenica and in Tuzla, where the majority of refugees were taken.

OK, aside from the fact that this took place in 1995, not 1994 (July 11-14 specifically), and that "Izetbegovic [sic] troops", did not pull out of Srebrenica, they (along with Dutch peacekeepers) were overrun by Serb forces, this theory is insane. As someone who has spent a hell of a lot more time in Srebrenica than he has, I can speak with certainty, that these attrocities did happen. In fact even the Serbs admit it happened!

The Bosnian Serb news agency SRNA said the commission's report on the 1995 massacre was being submitted to the Bosnian Serb government on Friday.

The report says "more than 7,000 Bosniaks (Bosnian Muslims) were killed in Srebrenica," commission member Smail Cehic told SRNA.

The UN war crimes tribunal in The Hague has described the massacre as genocide.

In June the Bosnian Serb president admitted for the first time that Serb forces had committed the massacre - but he avoided giving a definite figure for the victims.

The reason they did not find any eyewitnesses is that they killed them all. They separated the men from the women, and proceeded to shoot 7,000 of them over the next 3 days. Is it just me, or does this remind anyone of the same logic that Loose Change uses with Somerset County coroner Wally Miller, when it uses his quote that he couldn't find any bodies to imply that he was saying there were no casualties?

Is there anyone connected with the 9/11 "truth" movement who holds normal political and historical beliefs, that are at least somewhat based in reality?


At 30 May, 2006 23:34, Blogger roger_sq said...

Is there anyone connected with the 9/11 "truth" movement who holds normal political and historical beliefs, that are at least somewhat based in reality?

Not likely, no. So much of history is lies or at lease misunderstandings and misinterpretations, that its virtually impossible to guage "normal" historical beliefs, and forget "normal" politics. If you, and I do not care who you are or what you believe, crawled into your time machine and went back 80 or 150 or 200 years, the conservatives, liberals and all shades in between would find you a radical, rabid revolutionary. Only today's rabid revolutionaries in fact would be welcomed. Slave owners, pedophiles, inbreeders and Injun hunters.

This country has undergone a crazy, achizophrenic evolution and has adopted the most absurd and vehemently disagreeable idologies into the fold and given us the craxy schizophrenic country we have today, which still ranks numero uno (sorry, had to throw a little spanish in for isomorphic effect). By normal I think you mean "status quo" which is actually atrophy in an evolving culture.

As for history, who once said that history is written by those who hung the heroes? Dr. Seuss wrote political cartoons during WW2. Some of them show Uncle Joe (Stalin) as an American hero. The US taxpayer foot the bill for entire weapons factories to be fabricated here and shipped to the Soviets for assembly. High ranking military, at least one Admiral, was relieved of duty for criticizing the relationship with Russia.

Today, Stalin is among the most reviled men in history. And he had been the exact same guy since he came to power in the 1920's.

Some people have determined, in light of history (normal and other), to be extremely skeptical of "sources". As I've stated here before, many of the "logical fallacies" so obvious in LC can be found in the Official 9/11 Review if equal prejudice is applied. I personally subscribe to neither, as usual the truth lay somewhere in the middle.

To close the subject, I must make the observation that I only know of TWO individuals on God's greeen earth who accurately predicted the attacks on 9/11. One was this rabid uber-wingnut born again right of rightwing delusional zealout pycho Alex Jones, whom you can all no doubt discard without the slightest reservation. He continues ranting and sounding his alarm bells in regular fashion.

The other was John O'Neill, mainstream, talented FBI agent and New York socialite, who was discredited as an airy fairy diletante who wasn't worthy of the office he held and whose tireless pressing of imminent terrorist plots was discarded by the government as nothing but a conspiracy theory. He of course was killed on 9/11.

Some of you have subscribed to O'Neill's conspiracy theory and some of you have subscribed to Alex Jones'. But none of it is normal.

The most important truth, in the end, is that you can read Thomas Jefferson, Tocqueville, Thoreau, Orwell, or Ayn Rand today and the wisdom was as lucid and relevant then as it is now. The truth is inviable and incredibly powerful, and if adhered to will topple whatever the reigning theory of the day might be and allow for a forward moving society.

At 31 May, 2006 05:26, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Is there anyone connected with the 9/11 "truth" movement who holds normal political and historical beliefs, that are at least somewhat based in reality?"

Many of these folks also believe in the Flat-Earth society, Bigfoot spotters INC., Area 51, Planet X, poison contrails, Black Helicopters, Bildebergers, The Reptoids, Iluminatti, Evil Masons, secret world government, Crop Circles, Nibiru, Faked moon landings and hundreds of other illucid and totally stupid conspiracies.

Say hello to the 9/11 “truth” folks - crackpots, morons and mental deficients.

At 31 May, 2006 06:26, Blogger undense said...

It's the aliens. Their advance force has slowly been manipulating human society to cause this "schizophrenia" that Roger talks about so infighting will weaken us. When the main force finally arrives they can come in with their death rays and wipe us all out easily.

It's so obvious it must be the truth. Think about it. You can't prove to me that aliens don't exist, so they must.

And the above is what's wrong with practically every CT theory out there. They demand you prove a negative instead of the CTs actually proving their existence. Being able to rationalize a theory through weak associations and 'what if' does not make it so. What makes something true or not true is hard, concrete evidence, and that's something the CTs consistently fall short on.

At 01 June, 2006 12:32, Blogger Realist06 said...


The name-calling once again sinks you guys to new lows.

No need for name calling if your own theories aren't full of holes and BS.

At 01 June, 2006 13:11, Blogger James B. said...

You go to the Potocari cemetary and stand there next to the widows and children of the victims. "Fruitcakes" will be the nicest thing you can think of to call someone who idiotically claims it never happened.

At 03 June, 2006 15:00, Blogger insidejob said...

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At 29 July, 2006 19:41, Blogger OpenYourEyes said...

Are you SERIOUS!?!! What the hell? open your eyes and brains for CHRIST'S sake! NO ONE claims it never happened! You people... damnit! The "conspiracy" here is that the government killed those innocent Americans!

ENLIGHTEN yourselves and stop closing your minds to the truth.

Pay full attention to the information before you start KNOCKING it and calling people names!

There is a tendency amongst Bush lovers to ignore vital information and resort to playground name calling without using facts to back up their insults.

Ignorance is NOT Bliss!

Screw you...


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