Friday, July 14, 2006

Just Pathetic, Dylan

We may be starting to make him feel a little guilty, because he's put up a whole bunch of letters from survivors asking for a copy of his DVD. He closes with this pathetic cry:

Should I keep going? I have thousands of these. I'm sick and tired of people accusing us of insulting the victims.

By accepting and defending a clearly flawed and compromised investigation into the murder that took their lives, and by attacking those that choose to seek the true answers behind that day, YOU are insulting the victims. Not us.

So back down. Or come meet these people on September 11th, 2006, and tell them that what THEY believe is nonsense. Tell them that they are insulting themselves.

I'd love to see it.

I'm sorry to have to do this, but certain people really get to me sometimes. I tried to redact any revealing personal information, so if I missed anything please let me know so I can remove it.


Got any complimentary letters from Wendy Burlingame, Dylan? Or, say, Lisa Beamer or Mark Bingham's mom? Betty Ong's family? No? I wonder why that could be?

26 Comments:

At 14 July, 2006 14:47, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

It is funny that he dares his accusers to come down to the memorial and state our case to the victims, as if it would be villainous to do it. Well yes, it would be, and that is why most of rational, respectuful human beings don't. Did that stop his crowd from going to ground zero and harrassing people that were there...NO!!!!

He is such a hypocritical creep.

If he wants to prove me wrong, he should take all of the money he makes off lose change, minus production costs (as verified by an independent accountant), and donate it to the families who lost loved ones on 9/11.

 
At 14 July, 2006 14:53, Blogger Manny said...

You're still a terrorist supporter, Dylan. I'd tell you that on your forum if I weren't suspended, and I'll say it to your face if the opportunity presents. But no, I'll not get into an argument at a memorial service any more than I did at the Flight 93 opening.

You are Osama's little yapping bitch.

 
At 14 July, 2006 14:57, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

Sorry to be so chatty, but I noticed the first letter he quotes lost someone on flight 77. I guess D.A. will send them the DVD for free so they can watch him tell the audience that the pentagon wasnt hit by flight 77, but by a missile, and that his cousin is still alive, along with all the other flight members, who were all aboard flight 93 (according to LC v2). How long with those comments torture that poor soul. According to D.A. and LC, his cousin, who is supposedly still alive, hasnt contacted his/her family to tell them.

"The creators of LC dedicate our film to all those who lost there lives in 9/11, except to those of you who have relatives on the flights, who are still alive but not telling you."

 
At 14 July, 2006 15:30, Blogger Avery Dylan said...

Like Hey man, the first letter I mean has initials , LT that would be like Leonard Taylor listed, like that guy, man, are they gonna be surprised when they find out he's still flying around somewhere!

I mean, he writes this note trying to get a free DVD out of me, and like he tells me about LT, like he was really on Flt 77, when everybody knows that there was no plane at the Pentagon.

I mean did you read those letters? gimme gimme gimme, like I know somebody who knew somebody whose best frind was a cousin, gimme gimme gimme.

 
At 14 July, 2006 16:19, Blogger MarkyX said...

I love how the letters don't really support him, but merely ask for a copy.

He is still twisting evidence, even when he is not doing crappy films.

 
At 14 July, 2006 17:17, Blogger shawn said...

and I'll say it to your face if the opportunity presents.

I'd do more than say something to him.

 
At 14 July, 2006 17:58, Blogger JoanBasil said...

Pat,
you're pretty hardhearted if you don't feel for those people. The pain comes through in those letters. They don't think the official version is the truth.

 
At 14 July, 2006 17:59, Blogger shawn said...

you're pretty hardhearted if you don't feel for those people. The pain comes through in those letters. They don't think the official version is the truth.

They're not immune from being wrong.

 
At 14 July, 2006 18:02, Blogger roger_sq said...

still hanging on the Wendyb myth eh?

How exactly is it perfectly fine for you to use manufactured evidence for SLC, but it's a shameful disgrace when Dylan Avery does it?

Seems like a whole lotta no answer to that question, so I have to keep bringing it up.

 
At 14 July, 2006 18:03, Blogger shawn said...

still hanging on the Wendyb myth eh?

Roger, c'mon, we all know it's you! You told us so yourself!

 
At 14 July, 2006 18:04, Blogger roger_sq said...

They're not immune from being wrong.

But you are?

The lawyer for 9/11 families says over half the membership believes the government was complicit.

 
At 14 July, 2006 18:05, Blogger roger_sq said...

Roger, c'mon, we all know it's you! You told us so yourself!

Good, but I didn't notice a retraction from the offending parties.

 
At 14 July, 2006 18:35, Blogger Pat said...

Joan, you'll note that I said nothing negative about the writers of those letters. That there are conspiracy theorists among the 9-11 victims is not surprising to me.

Dylan's film specifically denigrates one group of the people who died on 9-11 and their families: the folks who made the cellphone/Airfone calls, especially the folks on Flight 93. He also denigrates the passengers, and the folks in his forum laugh at the pilots for getting overwhelmed by hijackers with "ho ho" boxcutters.

 
At 14 July, 2006 18:38, Blogger MarkyX said...


The lawyer for 9/11 families says over half the membership believes the government was complicit.


That's great that they believe.

I don't care for beliefs, I care for facts and evidence. Being a family member of a lost one does make you more "right"

 
At 14 July, 2006 18:38, Blogger MarkyX said...

I meant not to say 'not more "right"

 
At 14 July, 2006 18:42, Blogger roger_sq said...

I don't care for beliefs, I care for facts and evidence. Being a family member of a lost one does make you more "right"

This from someone who cites the 9/11 Commission for facts and evidence...

amusing, but disinginuous.

 
At 14 July, 2006 20:06, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

Unlike the CTs who usually cite 1 reference for a dozen claims, or as definitive proof...come on.

CT eg.

Use the BBC interview and one other article to prove, without a doubt, that many of the hijackers are still alive. Nowhere in the article does it say that those interviewed were al qaida operatives, nowhere does it say that the pictures the FBI used as the final photos, were any of those interviewed as "alive" hijackers.

If you actually read the interview, in its entirety, and then do a little rationalizing and research of your own, you will find something a little different. Unlike the cases in that interview, where the ages were often different that those of the hijackers, and sibling connections were mismatched, you will find other articles from arab news agencies that discribe other people with the same names as the hijackers. In these cases, however, they match in age, and the sibling connections are dead on. As well, they are reported as missing by family members.

"John Smith was the 20th hijacker. Suddenly CNN reports that hundreds of people claiming to be John Smith swear they are still alive and well."

Now does it seem a little more rediculous...I hope so.

 
At 14 July, 2006 20:48, Blogger Dog Town said...

Find one 911 family member that thinks their loved one is still alive.I would pay to see them woop your ass!!Your out of context crap is gonna catch Ya.

 
At 14 July, 2006 21:08, Blogger MarkyX said...


This from someone who cites the 9/11 Commission for facts and evidence...


Why should I disapprove the 9/11 Commission? Because it's made by the government?

You need to try harder then that.

 
At 14 July, 2006 22:11, Blogger Murdervillage said...

roger_sq said...
The lawyer for 9/11 families says over half the membership believes the government was complicit.


Can you provide the quote? I googled but didn't find it. Who comprises the membership?

 
At 14 July, 2006 22:49, Blogger roger_sq said...

Why should I disapprove the 9/11 Commission? Because it's made by the government?

You need to try harder then that.


Well, you are pretending to be an anylitical person with interest in 9/11. What the fuck do I care if you want to live in ignorance?

Carry on...

 
At 14 July, 2006 22:53, Blogger roger_sq said...

Can you provide the quote? I googled but didn't find it. Who comprises the membership?

No, I'd rather let everyone accuse me of being a liar and then have it show up later.

By the way, been like 36 hours at least since the proprietors of this blog had it confirmed that they've posted a fictitious source, and I STILL don't see a retraction.

Dylan would be proud of you!

 
At 15 July, 2006 00:34, Blogger Pat said...

Roger, are you still claiming that you posted as Wendy Burlingame? Because in that case, you owe the folks at the Loose Change forums an apology, not we.

 
At 15 July, 2006 09:19, Blogger apathoid said...

Roger, are you still claiming that you posted as Wendy Burlingame? Because in that case, you owe the folks at the Loose Change forums an apology, not we.

If it was Roger, he should be able to reproduce the PM I sent to him. C'mon Roger - LC stores PMs in an inbox, lets see that PM...

If you cant reproduce it, then you are a liar. And if you cant produce some form of evidence other than "OMG ! Saratoga" "OMG, Fake as fake gets" "Hoax, Hoax, Sheeple"; anything at all that might indicate it was was hoax - please show us, or shut the fuck up about it.

C'mon Roger, can you do it??

 
At 15 July, 2006 15:09, Blogger shawn said...

By the way, been like 36 hours at least since the proprietors of this blog had it confirmed that they've posted a fictitious source, and I STILL don't see a retraction.


Man, you do have a real flimsy grasp on reality. You saying something doesn't "confirm" it.

This from someone who cites the 9/11 Commission for facts and evidence...

Woo woo poison the well.

What the fuck do I care if you want to live in ignorance?

You seem to have no problem with the fact you do.

No, I'd rather let everyone accuse me of being a liar and then have it show up later.

You really don't understand how this works? What a child.

 
At 16 July, 2006 13:09, Blogger Alex said...

No, I'd rather let everyone accuse me of being a liar and then have it show up later.

Too easy:

You're a liar. Regaurdless of whether or not you're lying in this particular case (and I think you are), you've proven time and time again that you ARE a liar.

 

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