Tuesday, September 12, 2006

Jim Meigs in NY Post

On how to join the New World Order:

ON Feb. 7, 2005, I became a member of the Bush/Halliburton/Zionist/CIA/New World Order/Illuminati conspiracy for world domination. That day, Popular Mechanics, the magazine I edit, hit newsstands with a story debunking 9/11 conspiracy theories. Within hours, the online community of 9/11 conspiracy buffs - which calls itself the "9/11 Truth Movement" - was aflame with wild fantasies about me, my staff and the article we had published. Conspiracy Web sites labeled Popular Mechanics a "CIA front organization" and compared us to Nazis and war criminals.

For a 104-year-old magazine about science, technology, home improvement and car maintenance, this was pretty extreme stuff. What had we done to provoke such outrage?

Research.


Yep, that's what did us in, too!

However, we do have very cool badges:



Hat Tip: Scrutinator.

70 Comments:

At 12 September, 2006 16:25, Blogger shawn said...

It's da Joooooos.

 
At 12 September, 2006 16:26, Blogger zippychippy said...

I guess The New York Post just joined the list of "CIA front organizations". Gosh that list is getting long.

 
At 12 September, 2006 16:38, Blogger Dog Town said...

Just stole the Badge for my av at JREF. Hope no one minds!

 
At 12 September, 2006 16:48, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

I don't get it....lol

TAM

 
At 12 September, 2006 16:53, Blogger shawn said...

He has favored our undertaking.

A new order for the ages. (Though the nuts translate it as "New World Order").

 
At 12 September, 2006 16:55, Blogger CHF said...

Every CTer thinks everyone else is "in on it." Only they know da twoof.

 
At 12 September, 2006 16:59, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

I hear Dylan want to set up a commune in South America....

 
At 12 September, 2006 16:59, Blogger shawn said...

I hear Dylan want to set up a commune in South America....

DO NOT DRINK THE KOOL-AID. Trust me on this.

 
At 12 September, 2006 17:01, Blogger Andrew said...

I wonder if Meigs and Co. would do us a service with a new book investigating PEOPLE and MONEY?

How about investigating the Pakistan connection?

The claims that Mossad was actually "shadowing" the 9/11 terrorists?

Look into the (still unclaimed) profits from short-selling of Airline stocks?

etc etc etc ...

Meigs wants to have us believe that the selective debunking of misused quotes and amateur internet theories proves there is no conspiracy surrounding 9/11?

I suppose they must take the same stance as the 9/11 commission, that the bankrollers of the attacks are of "little practical significance"?

Just like the 9/11 commission did to the victims family members, they're ignoring the hard questions that they can't so easily dismiss

Watch this new video and see what I'm talking about. It focuses on Paul Thompsons 911 timeline and the victims families press for truth leading up to the 911 commission. It's well done and interesting to watch even if you're stuck on the "official" side.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1016720641536424083&q=press+for+truth

Family Steering committees questions

http://www.911citizenswatch.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=140&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

 
At 12 September, 2006 17:04, Blogger Andrew said...

Damn my URL links never show up correctly..!

If you want to watch the video I recommended (and you should! :) then go to google video and search "press for truth"

you can also google "family steering" and "questions" to find many questions that were not answered or even agknowledged by the 911 commission.

 
At 12 September, 2006 17:10, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

JESUS ANDREW IS GOING TO DRINK A EXTRA EXTRA LARGE CUP OF THE OLD BLUE KOOLAID!!
PLEASE MAKE SURE AND SHARE WITH NESNYC, ANDREW!

 
At 12 September, 2006 17:40, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

I wonder if Meigs and Co. would do us a service with a new book investigating PEOPLE and MONEY?

yes those bad evil capitalists, what were they thinking...oh wait, its america...lol

How about investigating the Pakistan connection?

here are my thoughts on this issue.

I can guarantee there were pakistani entities who were helping out the hijackers. As for this joke of a claim that the head of Pakistani Intelligence funded the hijackers, show me one article that makes the connection, besides the "Times of India"...please note, articles that simply quote this magazine do not count, so throw out your Wall Street Journal article, as that is all it does...

The claims that Mossad was actually "shadowing" the 9/11 terrorists?

Show me enough proof to warrant an investigation.

Look into the (still unclaimed) profits from short-selling of Airline stocks?

Alot of it was reclaimed. The rest was likely left out of guilt of how they made it.

Show me proof from 2005-2006 that shows it is still mostly unclaimed.

Meigs wants to have us believe that the selective debunking of misused quotes and amateur internet theories proves there is no conspiracy surrounding 9/11?

If you have more than what Miegs has debunked, SOLID HARD EVIDENCE, as opposed to the things you say he debunked, than link away...this should be good.

I suppose they must take the same stance as the 9/11 commission, that the bankrollers of the attacks are of "little practical significance"?

they are of little significance because it is almost certain that the bankrollers are two faced saudi and pakistani officials. So what...we know there is severe corruption in both countries.

Just like the 9/11 commission did to the victims family members, they're ignoring the hard questions that they can't so easily dismiss

Name the hard questions that have not been answered?

Watch this new video and see what I'm talking about. It focuses on Paul Thompsons 911 timeline and the victims families press for truth leading up to the 911 commission. It's well done and interesting to watch even if you're stuck on the "official" side.

You lost me at "Paul Thompson"...sorry.

Kind of me asking you to watch this PNAC publicity video that proves the terrorists did it...would you give it any credit...no.

TAM

 
At 12 September, 2006 18:25, Blogger Pat said...

Andrew, if you have blogger, you can compose your comments in the 'Create New Post' screen, complete with links, and then copy and paste them into your post.

WRT the points you raise, the Pakistan connection's unproven; the stories all eventually go back to a Times of India article which was unsourced.

The Mossad bit, hey, you and Justin Raimondo can keep chasing that.

Unclaimed profits from trading? Is that the SF Chronicle article from September 2001? You do know that those contracts would have settled the third week in October?

Osama gets his funding from various sources, but he's definitely had a crimp put in those operations (no thanks to the NY Times).

 
At 12 September, 2006 18:40, Blogger nes718 said...

this was pretty extreme stuff. What had we done to provoke such outrage?

Lie.

 
At 12 September, 2006 18:43, Blogger CHF said...

Nessie!!!!!

So how'd the revolution go, mate?

Was it the massive gathering you expected?

 
At 12 September, 2006 18:54, Blogger nes718 said...

So how'd the revolution go, mate?

Was it the massive gathering you expected?


It was what it was. The real revolution has just begun:

9/11: Press for Truth

 
At 12 September, 2006 18:57, Blogger CHF said...

A few hundred people, man.

You fools expected thousands

 
At 12 September, 2006 19:06, Blogger James B. said...

Look into the (still unclaimed) profits from short-selling of Airline stocks?


Do you people do any actual research whatsoever? You can't buy millions in put options on from some guy on a street corner, you have to have an account set up with a broker and they have to buy a contract. Most brokers will exercise the option for you automatically. And why would they pay money for an option, only to not claim it anyway?

Geez, you repeat some rumor from October 2001, before the options even expired, and suddenly is "still" the truth.

 
At 12 September, 2006 19:10, Blogger jackhanyes said...

Fools.

Infront of you sit the great seal. A symbol with great meaning, yet you know nothing about it.

- The triangle has 32 steps and with all seeing the eye of Rah in a cload of glory on top.

- It's rising out of a sea, which means it comes from man.

- Rah's eye is used everywhere. You'll see all the time when you're looking for it. Never, when you aren't.

- There are 32 degree of free masonary. Each step of triangle respersent the steps of the mason's travel closer to knowledge.

- "Annuit Cœptis" mean "He has Favored Our Undertakings." Who is he?

- "Novus Ordo Seclorum" means "New Order of the Ages"; eg, the New Order George H Bush first spoke of in 9/11/90. exactly 11 years before 9/11.

- The star of David it self is a Zionist symbol. The upward triangle is man progress to heaven and the downward triangle is the progress of the heavens to Earth. Each corner of the Downward triangle repersent Mind (down), Soul (left), and Body(right). The upward triagnle repersent birth (left), life (up), and death (right).

- The whole damn thing flies into the face of God. Jesus is the only way, truth, and life.

- Who is He? The Anti-Christ, the devil.

 
At 12 September, 2006 19:15, Blogger nes718 said...

You fools expected thousands

Thousands didn't turn up for Bu$h what makes you think we expected thousands?

 
At 12 September, 2006 19:16, Blogger nes718 said...

- Who is He? The Anti-Christ, the devil.

Most likely British monarchy and will rule the world from Jerusalem after the next world war.

 
At 12 September, 2006 19:17, Blogger CHF said...

Ha!

This was supposed to be the twoofers big day.

Not so big after all

 
At 12 September, 2006 19:22, Blogger default.xbe said...

"Novus Ordo Seclorum" means "New Order of the Ages"; eg, the New Order George H Bush first spoke of in 9/11/90. exactly 11 years before 9/11.

how did bush first speak of it in 1990 when its been on the dollar for decades?

There are 32 degree of free masonary. Each step of triangle respersent the steps of the mason's travel closer to knowledge.

a bit of a misrepresentation, the 32 degrees of masonry arent progressive steps, you dont start at 1 and go to 2 then 3 and so on, you can can start wherever you want and join whatever degrees you want in whatever order you want

The whole damn thing flies into the face of God. Jesus is the only way, truth, and life.

you forget that out of 3 religions that worship the same gad only one recognizes jesus as a messionic figure

Infront of you sit the great seal. A symbol with great meaning, yet you know nothing about it.

masonry is a social club, nothing more nothing less, a club most of our founding fathers happened to belong to, so its no wonder masonic symbols appear in some odd places

BTW these days most masonic rituals involve beer, coke, and frat boys, hardly the global domination types

 
At 12 September, 2006 19:54, Blogger Alex said...

- The whole damn thing flies into the face of God. Jesus is the only way, truth, and life.

- Who is He? The Anti-Christ, the devil.


Easy there Pat Robertson. Gotta keep an eye on the blood pressure in your old age.

 
At 12 September, 2006 20:09, Blogger CHF said...

Hey folks, has anyone heard the theory that a WTC tower was brought down with missiles....from a helicopter?

Just had a bizarre convo with a friend tonight who claims that a chopper flew over the WTC and fired 3 missiles into the core of one tower causing it to collapse.

Freaky shit!

 
At 12 September, 2006 20:19, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

CHF:
That must have been revision 265,133,654.
The Tin Foil Hatters keep changing it every other day.
Please wait for Loose Change 10.0 maybe that particular claim will be back.

 
At 12 September, 2006 20:31, Blogger apathoid said...

jackhanyes said...

Wow, you people get loonier by the day!

As I keep telling Nessie, there is medication for your condition, look into it.

Just had a bizarre convo with a friend tonight who claims that a chopper flew over the WTC and fired 3 missiles into the core of one tower causing it to collapse.

Freaky shit!


I think he saw 911Eyewitness, the first part of the movie dealt with mysterious helicopters in the vicinity of the WTC when it collapsed. Normal, well adjusted humans can think of a multitude of reasons that there might be black helicopters in the area(news, NYPD, rescue, etc)

And apparently these folks aren't very bright. I guess a 150 ton jet with 10,000 gallons of fuel isnt enough to bring down a building, but a Hellfire missile is...sheesh. Morons.

 
At 12 September, 2006 20:34, Blogger shawn said...

- "Annuit Cœptis" mean "He has Favored Our Undertakings." Who is he?

God.

- "Novus Ordo Seclorum" means "New Order of the Ages"; eg, the New Order George H Bush first spoke of in 9/11/90. exactly 11 years before 9/11.

He said "new world order" which is a generic term for whenever power shifts happen. Following WWI there was a new world order, following WW2 there was a new world order, and after the Cold War there was a new world order.

- Who is He? The Anti-Christ, the devil.

As someone who's studied religion extensively (and used to be quite devout), I do know that Revelations is only a subversive writing attacking the Romans. The Antichrist is Nero.

 
At 12 September, 2006 21:17, Blogger nes718 said...

God.

Which one?

 
At 12 September, 2006 21:39, Blogger shawn said...

Which one?

There's only one.

 
At 12 September, 2006 21:55, Blogger default.xbe said...

God.

Which one?


singular god with a capital G refers almost exclusively to the judeo-christian (and muslim) god

 
At 12 September, 2006 22:23, Blogger shawn said...

singular god with a capital G refers almost exclusively to the judeo-christian (and muslim) god

I think he's gonna say they worship a different god. We'll just add it to the long list of things he's got wrong.

 
At 12 September, 2006 23:24, Blogger nes718 said...

The "God" they are referring to is Lucifer.

"In God We Trust" on the dollar is Lucifer not the God of Abraham.

 
At 12 September, 2006 23:42, Blogger nes718 said...

IN GOD WE TRUST CAME FROM A HYMN OR INVOCATION TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WRITTEN BY ALEISTER CROWLEY. It is an invocation to manifest the New Aeon and drive America and the world into INDEPENDENCE (from the God of Abraham)!

 
At 12 September, 2006 23:57, Blogger default.xbe said...

IN GOD WE TRUST CAME FROM A HYMN OR INVOCATION TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WRITTEN BY ALEISTER CROWLEY.

The final stanza of "The Star-Spangled Banner," written in 1814 by Francis Scott Key (and later adopted as the U.S. National Anthem), contains one of the earliest references to a variation of the phrase: "...And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."

The most common place where the motto is observed in daily life is on the money of the United States. The first United States coin to bear this national motto was the 1864 two-cent piece.


written in 1814 by F Scott Key, apeared on money in 1864

Aleister Crowley, born Edward Alexander Crowley, (12 October 1875 – 1 December 1947)

born 1875, his invocation was likely a mockery of the US motto

"next"

 
At 13 September, 2006 00:24, Blogger nes718 said...

born 1875, his invocation was likely a mockery of the US motto

In God We Trust was first used on paper money in 1957 when it appeared on the one-dollar Silver Certificate. Kind fits the time frame no?

BTW..

"In God is our trust." <> "In God We trust"

~NEXT!~

 
At 13 September, 2006 00:29, Blogger nes718 said...

BTW, the dollar is loaded with Masonic symbolism. Crowely was a high degree Mason so ..

And look at this hat he's wearing, look familiar?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Aleister_Crowley_4.png

 
At 13 September, 2006 07:38, Blogger Thomas said...

That star of David is out of whack tho

 
At 13 September, 2006 08:54, Blogger mbats said...

"In God is our trust." <> "In God We trust"

Please explain the substantive difference between the two phrases. Apparently, the 1864 US Mint felt they were equivalent. Whoever fed you that line about Crowley was either wrong or lying, Nesnyc.

 
At 13 September, 2006 08:55, Blogger JohnReb said...

In God We Trust was first used on paper money in 1957 when it appeared on the one-dollar Silver Certificate. Kind fits the time frame no?

So it's having been on coins for 93 years before being put on paper bills, and for 11 years before Crowley was born should be ignored why?

 
At 13 September, 2006 09:13, Blogger shawn said...

"In God We Trust" on the dollar is Lucifer not the God of Abraham.

He does get dumber by the day.

Lucifer wasn't a god, moron.

BTW, the dollar is loaded with Masonic symbolism.

Washington was a Mason.

 
At 13 September, 2006 11:22, Blogger default.xbe said...

BTW, the dollar is loaded with Masonic symbolism.

ive already explained that, most of the founding fathers were masons, theres nothing sinister about that

for example if i asked my little sister to design a dollar bill im sure it will have several disney princesses on it with th emagic kingdom on the back, however this is not evidence of some disney conspiracy, it just means my sister likes disney

 
At 13 September, 2006 11:38, Blogger telescopemerc said...

for example if i asked my little sister to design a dollar bill im sure it will have several disney princesses on it with th emagic kingdom on the back, however this is not evidence of some disney conspiracy, it just means my sister likes disney

You can bet that nessie would find all kinds of illuminati crap on _that_ dollar as well.

 
At 13 September, 2006 13:47, Blogger Alex said...

I guess you never heard the CT about Mickey Mouse being a jewish ploy to get children to like jews.

And no, I'm not joking. I'll bet Nazinyc beleives in that one too.

So yeah, your sisters dollar bill would be evidence of the NWO plot too :)

 
At 13 September, 2006 21:01, Blogger jackhanyes said...

how did bush first speak of it in 1990 when its been on the dollar for decades?

Fine...

The New Order George H Bush spoke about on 09/11 1990.

a bit of a misrepresentation, the 32 degrees of masonry arent progressive steps, you dont start at 1 and go to 2 then 3 and so on, you can can start wherever you want and join whatever degrees you want in whatever order you want

AHHH!! Damn it, close your trap! You're spewing shit all over the place!


How many degrees are there in the Scottish Rite?

A local Masonic lodge confers three degrees, or progressive steps. The degrees in the Scottish Rite are numbered from the 4th through the 32nd.


http://www.supremecouncil.org/faq/wwfaq.asp


Now, go fuck yourself.

you forget that out of 3 religions that worship the same gad only one recognizes jesus as a messionic figure

And just think that the freemaon ablert pike said in 1871:

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion"

Does that sound like the "war" we find our selves in today?

masonry is a social club, nothing more nothing less, a club most of our founding fathers happened to belong to, so its no wonder masonic symbols appear in some odd places

BTW these days most masonic rituals involve beer, coke, and frat boys, hardly the global domination types


Lower degrees are like that. Those types never make to higher levels. It's the 30-33 degrees that are "the global domination types".

Of course you know nothing about degrees. That was clear by your first statement.

I take it you're a mason? A low degree one? Or maybe a 5-10 middle of the roader sprewing bullshit to redirect and discredit, yet know nothing about the org.

Here's a link for you

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/chapter4/index.htm

 
At 13 September, 2006 21:03, Blogger jackhanyes said...

ive already explained that, most of the founding fathers were masons, theres nothing sinister about that

The founding father was trying to build an empire that only the bill of right prevented for the last 200 years.

 
At 13 September, 2006 21:07, Blogger jackhanyes said...

Lucifer wasn't a god, moron.

You should read your Bible before you call someone else a moron.

2 Corinthians 4:4 reads:

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

 
At 13 September, 2006 22:14, Blogger default.xbe said...

How many degrees are there in the Scottish Rite?

A local Masonic lodge confers three degrees, or progressive steps. The degrees in the Scottish Rite are numbered from the 4th through the 32nd.


http://www.supremecouncil.org/faq/wwfaq.asp


Now, go fuck yourself.


thats or missing my point entirely, yes, there are 32 degrees in the scottish rite (well, 33 actually, shows how well you research) but a 33rd degree mason doesnt "outrank" a 32nd degree, and never has to be a 32nd degree, its more like college majors, you can major in computer science, or english literature, or math, you dont have to do one then the other and so forth

And just think that the freemaon ablert pike said in 1871:

do you have a source for that quote? it just screams "fake nostradamus quatrain" to me

Lower degrees are like that. Those types never make to higher levels. It's the 30-33 degrees that are "the global domination types".

Of course you know nothing about degrees. That was clear by your first statement.

I take it you're a mason? A low degree one? Or maybe a 5-10 middle of the roader sprewing bullshit to redirect and discredit, yet know nothing about the org.

Here's a link for you


as i stated already, there are no "lower degrees" you know what 32nd degree mason is? a shriner, yeah, little car funny hat shriners, these are your "global domination types?"

 
At 13 September, 2006 22:17, Blogger default.xbe said...


beware the new world order

 
At 13 September, 2006 22:33, Blogger default.xbe said...

honestly though i cant blame jack, the masons are rather secretive and its human nature to fear what you dont understand

although thats why most humans make an effort to understand things...

 
At 14 September, 2006 03:39, Blogger shawn said...

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Lucifer, being an angel, is only a demigod.

 
At 14 September, 2006 07:41, Blogger JohnReb said...

The founding father was trying to build an empire that only the bill of right prevented for the last 200 years.

Would that be the Bill of Rights written by those same Founding Fathers?

Pretty poor job of trying to build an empire when you also write the articles that stop you from doing it.

 
At 14 September, 2006 15:46, Blogger Elmondohummus said...

"In whom the god of this world hath blinded..."

Plus, it was a backhanded swat at the "god (lower case "g") of this world", who was limited to the earthly and not spiritual realm.

In other words, it was a mocking use of the word "god", sort of the modern rhetorical equivalent of enclosing in irony quotes.

 
At 14 September, 2006 18:28, Blogger jackhanyes said...

"In whom the god of this world hath blinded..."

Plus, it was a backhanded swat at the "god (lower case "g") of this world", who was limited to the earthly and not spiritual realm.

In other words, it was a mocking use of the word "god", sort of the modern rhetorical equivalent of enclosing in irony quotes.


Exactly. In the Jewish, Islamic, and Christian reglions there is only one true God. All other are false gods. Which brings an intresting question to the Jehovah Witness idea that Jesus is a little g god.

Over the course of my life I have learned a god is anything that is highly honored or revered. American, money, a job, an idol, an idea, a theory, and just anything can be a person's god. A god doesn't have to be spiritual, but like you said can be earthly.

 
At 14 September, 2006 18:40, Blogger jackhanyes said...

Lucifer, being an angel, is only a demigod.

He is a false god, lesser god, demigod, what ever you want to call it, but to some he is god.

Did you know the root word used to create the name Lucifer means "light bringer" in latin? What Lucifer, as an angel (better called an messager), brings is false light which blinds the heart of the unbeliever.

 
At 14 September, 2006 18:59, Blogger jackhanyes said...

Would that be the Bill of Rights written by those same Founding Fathers?



Pretty poor job of trying to build an empire when you also write the articles that stop you from doing it.

Look at what American was 230 years ago and what is it is today. It's the most powerful economical and resources empire today. It's influance on the Germen, Britsh, Austrailian, Japanese, Iraqi, and the Afghan government practically controls these goverments.

Trying to argue that American is not an empire is like dargue the sky is not blue while maintaining a strange concept of the color blue. "It's not blue, it's an off light blue with a bits white and some light brown"

 
At 14 September, 2006 19:10, Blogger jackhanyes said...

Would that be the Bill of Rights written by those same Founding Fathers?

No. Thomas Jefferson, who was not a delegate to the Constitutional Convention, wrote the Bill of Rights.

 
At 14 September, 2006 19:17, Blogger jackhanyes said...

do you have a source for that quote?

It was from a letter written by Albert Pike, the Grand Commander of American Freemasonry in 1871 and published in 1925. Six years after WWI and 15 years before WWII. It was attacked and pushed under the rug by the media. But one has to asked, if a document is faked, then how did it predict so well WWII and the coming WWIII, which 9/11 was the starting point of it?

 
At 14 September, 2006 19:18, Blogger jackhanyes said...

beware the new world order

"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness ..."

- 2 Corinthians 11:14-15

 
At 14 September, 2006 22:04, Blogger default.xbe said...

Did you know the root word used to create the name Lucifer means "light bringer" in latin? What Lucifer, as an angel (better called an messager), brings is false light which blinds the heart of the unbeliever.

him being the "light bringer" has nothing to do with false light, he was the most revered of all the angels, so much so that he though he shoudl be a god himself, which led to him being cast down from heaven

now it might be equated with false light, but its not the original etymology of his name

No. Thomas Jefferson, who was not a delegate to the Constitutional Convention, wrote the Bill of Rights.

it was written on the demand of several members of the constitutional convention, unless you think jefferson was so powerful he could just add these changes to the basic law of the land with no one elses consent (dictatorship anyone?)

 
At 15 September, 2006 16:29, Blogger jackhanyes said...

him being the "light bringer" has nothing to do with false light, he was the most revered of all the angels, so much so that he though he shoudl be a god himself, which led to him being cast down from heaven

now it might be equated with false light, but its not the original etymology of his name


Are you a mason? You talk like one. Only a mason would attempt to defend or doupt the light the evil one brings.

Might be false light? You fool! Read the bible! The light satan brings is false light because Jesus is light of the world. Whoever follows him will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.

 
At 15 September, 2006 16:30, Blogger jackhanyes said...

it was written on the demand of several members of the constitutional convention,

And what were those demands? Hmmm?

To prevent the US from becoming a god damn empire dip shit!!!

 
At 15 September, 2006 20:13, Blogger shawn said...

Did you know the root word used to create the name Lucifer means "light bringer" in latin?

He was the Morning Star (the Roman lucifer does literally mean "light bearer" but that was the term for Venus aka the Morning Star). He was called this because he was the most beautiful and favored of all the angels.

I'm aware of the linguistic nature of Biblical figures (especially the more interesting ones. Satan means "Adversary".

Oh, and the idea that Freemasons have anything to do with Lucifer comes from a hoax by Leo Taxil (a former member).

 
At 16 September, 2006 11:07, Blogger default.xbe said...

Are you a mason? You talk like one. Only a mason would attempt to defend or doupt the light the evil one brings.

im not defending or doubting anything, im discussing the etymology of the name "lucifer"

when he was given th ename lucifer it had nothing to do with false light, the light he was bringing was the light of god (judeo-christian god, before you go taking that the wrong way)

And what were those demands? Hmmm?

To prevent the US from becoming a god damn empire dip shit!!!


you have missed every single one of my points, the demands were made by the very people you just accused of attempting to turn the US into an empire

so what your saying is, in their vie to turn the US into an empire, they demanded rights to prevent the US from becoming an empire

 
At 16 September, 2006 12:35, Blogger jackhanyes said...

Oh, and the idea that Freemasons have anything to do with Lucifer comes from a hoax by Leo Taxil

Anno Lucis? Hiram Abiff? Abaddon? "I am lost in darkness and I need the light of Freemasonry?" Ordo Ab Chao? JAH-BUL-ON? The Royal Arch decree?

Look into those and tell me what you think. Here's something from the Bible:

You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord's table and the table of demons. 1 Corinthians 10:21

 
At 16 September, 2006 14:15, Blogger shawn said...

Jack, Freemasonry is a frat for grown men.

 
At 16 September, 2006 15:56, Blogger jackhanyes said...

Jack, Freemasonry is a frat for grown men.

Why is that every thing with you is so simple? Oh, I know because you don't do any research or ask any questions. You accept everything at face value, never looking between the pages. If people say it's all dandy, you eat it up. What is that behaviour called again? I forgot.

Kid, the world is more complex then you know. The root of the freemasons dates back 1000's of years. The top members are some of the most powerful men on the face of the Earth. The middle members occupies in every county of every state accross the nation and world. Their lower member are the builders, the police, the fire department, the rescues, the heath system, and everything else. They are everywhere. You see the G on cars, on buildings, around people necks. There are strong and influancal. They have the pulse on every function of the world. They are sworn to protect each other to the death. They are taught to lie to protect each other.

Call me parinoid if you must. It doesn't brother me. Just look around. Read about them. Dig deep into their secert society. You'll see the same thing.

They state their goal openly, that is create "Order out of Choas" to build a "New Order of the Ages", and their "god favors their efforts".

Are you so blind to deny these are thier goals?

 
At 17 September, 2006 14:08, Blogger shawn said...

Why is that every thing with you is so simple? Oh, I know because you don't do any research or ask any questions.

Actually, it's because I do research that I understand the actuality of a situation. Sorry for you (and likeminded folk) but the truth is usually simple and very boring.

 
At 17 September, 2006 14:09, Blogger shawn said...

"New Order of the Ages",

Which referenced a liberal democracy. You people tend to miss out on this thing called 'context'.

 
At 17 September, 2006 16:11, Blogger Alex said...

Call me parinoid if you must.

Ok.

 

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