Tuesday, September 12, 2006

Loosers Vs Popular Mechanics Transcript

For those of you who don't have the stomach to get through an hour of Jason Bermas snearing, there is a transcript of the Loosers available. Hot Air has the video if you are so inclined. What a bunch of punks:

JAMES MEIGS: Give me a second to finish, Dylan. It's interesting, in that testimony, he says that somebody came out of the elevator area with his skin hanging off. That would be consistent with a fire, not an explosion. And you had a short clip of Naudet brothers’ documentary about that day and of them entering the lobby, but what you didn’t have was their voiceover, where they say they saw humans on fire, which again would be completely consistent with what we saw in all the reports on this, that jet fuel came down the elevator shafts. People died. We're talking about real human beings here, you know. This wasn't a movie. This isn’t a parlor game.

JASON BERMAS: We are talking about real human beings --

DYLAN AVERY: Bermas, Bermas, relax for a second.

JASON BERMAS: -- and we respect them with the truth, sir.

DYLAN AVERY: Relax for a second.


At 12 September, 2006 20:37, Blogger Dog Town said...

Heel Jason heel, I mean Heil!

At 12 September, 2006 20:40, Blogger CHF said...

Bermas, Bermas, relax for a second.

Who debates like this when they have the twoof?

At 12 September, 2006 21:39, Blogger shawn said...

Do Bermas and Rowe punctuate every sentence with "sir"?


At 12 September, 2006 22:06, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

It seems that the love birds may be having a spat.

I wonder how long Bermas will by Dylan's lackey.

At 13 September, 2006 00:40, Blogger nes718 said...

But you've got to admit, the PM liars were really slick in their presentation and got stumped a few times along the line. Only reason Bermas lost his cool cause he wanted to bitch slap that slickness right out of the whiney little smirky faces these guys were emotionlessly wearing.

At 13 September, 2006 00:42, Blogger nes718 said...

Oh! And did you see the reaction on their faces when the LC crew laughed at the holyco$t denier violin music attempt? Priceless!

At 13 September, 2006 00:49, Blogger Billythekid said...

The PM liars? Is being objective too difficult for you?

At 13 September, 2006 00:57, Blogger nes718 said...

The PM liars? Is being objective too difficult for you?

I recall them saying:

"We didn't see the whole thing" and they made a whole book out of it? There is only one logical and objective answer left. They are lying through their teeth.

At 13 September, 2006 04:41, Blogger CHF said...

Nazinyc, Nazinyc, relax for a second.

At 13 September, 2006 06:01, Blogger Chad said...

Nessie, aren't you always the one saying Loose Change isn't the end-all-be-all of conspiracy films.

The book they wrote wasn't based solely off of LC, you fucktard. 9/11 MYTHS.

Go back to 1st grade and see if you can't get that reading comprehension thing down this time around.

At 13 September, 2006 06:13, Blogger JoanBasil said...

Exactly what is the PM guy saying about this fellow coming up with such terrible burns from the lower levels of the WTC basement? Rodriguez was in the basement when this severely burned man came out of the elevator.

Is this the amazing jet fuel theory where the jet fuel was able to travel through the elevator shafts and, in fact, was able to get off local elevator serving the site of the crash at the 70-something floor and walk across the hall and get on express elevators? And then get out at the lobby and cross over to the elevators to the lower levels of the basement?

At 13 September, 2006 06:53, Blogger Chad said...

Joan. Please explain to me how bombs set people on fire. I've always been under the impression they just blow them to bits.

Please explain to me how eyewitnesses saw flames in the lobby coming from the elevator shafts. Saw people engulfed.

The lobby of the Empire State Building was burned when it got struck by a plane as well. Explain that.

At 13 September, 2006 09:12, Blogger shawn said...

Is this the amazing jet fuel theory where the jet fuel was able to travel through the elevator shafts

IT's called "following the path of least resistance".

At 13 September, 2006 10:19, Blogger Alex said...

The PM liars? Is being objective too difficult for you?

It's impossible for him. For our little Nazinyc, "being objective" means listening for about 30 seconds or so without yelling "DA JOOS DID IT!" or "NEW WORLD ORDER, ZIONIST, ILLUMINATI!". Doesn't happen very often, but we're all very proud of him when he manages it.

IT's called "following the path of least resistance".

Shhh! Don't confuse her with your big words and science talk!

At 13 September, 2006 15:26, Blogger MarkyX said...

Bombs kill people, not burn them.

At 13 September, 2006 17:42, Blogger JoanBasil said...

The elevators in the WTC didn't go direct from the lowest levels of the basement to the top. They were like the subway system with express and locals. So how does jet fuel at the 70-something floor get to the basement?

Whats the design of the empire state building elevators?

At 13 September, 2006 18:11, Blogger mbats said...

joanbasil, even if an elevator doesn't continue the whole height of the building, its shaft generally does. It's the most efficient use of space, and that way you can keep the structural supports for the elevators stacked vertically.

At 13 September, 2006 18:35, Blogger Dog Town said...

They were like the subway system with express and locals

You printed this but still don't get it?


At 13 September, 2006 19:11, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This in my opinion is the single most important documentation of the loose change crew getting their conspiracy theories blown to pieces.

It's an open debate on a left wing show, and they got trounced. There's no more damning evidence than that.

At 13 September, 2006 20:32, Blogger jackhanyes said...

It's an open debate on a left wing show, and they got trounced.

The slick PM editor was good out laying down their bullshit in a very presentable manner. It was clear they had training in lay down bullshit in a way that appealed to the masses.

The "loosers", on the hand lack proper presenting skills, but they made stronger points the PM editors, which at time left the PM editors stumped and forced to resort to insults.

Jason was making a statement when he called the PM editor a lier, because the things he were saying, withholding, and leading the listener with were lies and deceptions. When you present a conslusion which do not include known facts, then you're lieing.

For example, the terrorist drills that were going on on 9/11. If you don't include or try to explain them, or present the effect of those exercises, you're a god damn lier. That drills had a significant effect on preventing the milatry for reacting with standard procedures for dealing with hijack aircrafts.

At 13 September, 2006 21:00, Blogger shawn said...

The "loosers", on the hand lack proper presenting skills

I'd have to disagree. The one "good" thing I could say about them is they're really good at ommission, insinuation, and general bullshittery. They're quite good at presentation.

At 14 September, 2006 05:54, Blogger JoanBasil said...

We're both kind of speculating on the construction of the elevators in the World Trade Center. Whats the official word? Is the government saying that this rather small quantity of jet fuel spread throughout the whole enormous building? And at the same time fueled fires in the vicinity of the impact that burned big and hot enough to cause the steel to weaken in an hour or so? Have you actually seen that in a report or commentary?

At 14 September, 2006 10:03, Blogger mbats said...

Then let's research rather than speculate. Some of the information I'm about to present contradicts my previous statement, but not entirely. First, let's clarify the elevator design of the WTC towers before we move on. From greatbuildings.com:

"The other primary obstacle to be overcome in the skyscraper is the elevator system, and Yamasaki has shown himself equally imaginative here. A combination of express and local elevator banks, called a skylobby system, it is particularly efficient because it requires fewer elevator shafts—thus freeing approximately 75 percent of the total floor area for occupancy; had a conventional elevator arrangement been adopted, only approximately 50 percent would have been available. The building has three vertical zones; express elevators serve skylobbies at the forty-first and seventy-fourth floors; from these, and from the plaza level, four banks of local elevators carry passengers to each of the three zones." For reference, Here is a diagram of the floors with a full contingent of elevators.

I had previously spoken of a conventional skyscraper elevator system that would have had all of the shafts running the full height of the building. The Empire State Building has a more conventional system.

From the Berkeley Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering:

"The core area of each floor was generally used for elevators, stairwells, ducts, pipelines for utilities and restrooms. In design of this building, in order to accommodate large number of elevators needed to reach the upper floors, the elevators were stacked in three theirs, each tier serving approximately one third of the height of the building as shown in Figure 1." Figure 1 is on the second page.

While not all of the elevator shafts run the full height of the building, the express elevators did, as did the local shafts serving the areas just below each skylobby. Additionally, any three of the stairwells, technically shafts themselves, run the full height of the building. So to answer your question, joanbasil, the fuel got from the impact floors to the basement by penetrating one or more of the full height shafts.

I wouldn't call it a "rather small quantity of jet fuel" - these planes were almost fully fueled for a cross-continental flight, and it borders on deception to minimize that. Nor would I say the fuel "spread throughout the whole enormous building." it hit the floors of impact, and went down whatever hole it could find straight to the bottom, whether that was to a skylobby or to the basement. "And at the same time fueled fires in the vicinity of the impact that burned big and hot enough to cause the steel to weaken in an hour or so?" Yes. WTC used typical spray-on fireproofing, which can be knocked off accidentally by someone bumping it during a tenant build-out. The initial impact decimated any protection the steel had. "Have you actually seen that in a report or commentary?" Repeatedly.


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