Monday, November 20, 2006

Jones Responds to Fetzer, Fetzer Responds to Jones

The "Scholars" continue their soap opera drama, with Jones replying in an open letter on their website. I found this part particularly interesting:

Jim, A few things need to be straightened out first.
1. Is the directed-beams hypothesis a SCIENTIFIC hypothesis? Let the proponents delineate crucial experiments which will permit testing the hypothesis, and which have the potential of proving the hypothesis wrong. If an hypothesis is not falsifiable by experiments, it is not scientific.

I agree, which is why I have always objected to Jones' use of super nano-thermate cutting charges in the WTC. Since he is basing his hypothesis entirely on speculative technology, there is no way to prove it wrong. He should either demonstrate the use of this technology, or shut up about it.

Jones actually has a decent little debunking of Wood's theories. They both think each other are idiots, and they are both right. Fetzer replies here, although it is mostly a bunch of administrative suggestions. In my humble opinion, the fact that they don't have adequate by-laws is the least of their problems.

Fetzer made an interesting post in the comments on 9/11 blogger. Apparently he is embracing the Unified Demolition Theory:

Obviously unfamiliar with my lectures in Tucson, this is more moronic drivel. I tend toward a mixed causation theory of the destruction of the WTC, where somemassive explosives (possibly mini-nukes?) were used in the subbasements about the time the planes hit the buildings, that high-tech weapons (directed energy,possibly from WTC-7, possibly from space?) were used to deconstruct most of thetowers and then more conventional explosives (possibly thermite or thermate?) were used to bring down the last 20 floors or so. Given the available evidence,this is my best guess, but obviously all of this has to be confirmed. What is beyond question, in my view, is that even super-thermate in the towers cannotpossibly account for the enormous and total devastation of the complete WTC!I suggest reviewing Judy's studies and my lectures before drawing conclusions, if you have any respect for logic and evidence, which may be too much to ask.

Get some popcorn and watch the show.


At 20 November, 2006 23:20, Blogger Nyke said...

My clue is bigger than your clue.

At 21 November, 2006 04:14, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

The only ones with a disrespect for logic are the 9/11 Scholars. Each and every one are scientific morons.


At 21 November, 2006 05:01, Blogger remdem said...

My clue is bigger than your clue.

Hur Hur, I'm getting a raging clue in this direction!

At 21 November, 2006 07:30, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

Why do I have a circus theme song running through my head?

At 21 November, 2006 08:07, Blogger CHF said...

A catfight between morons, arguing over whe has the better speculation and theoretical toys.

At 21 November, 2006 09:19, Blogger ScottSl said...

Look what Fetzer says:

Bah ha ha ha......

According to the new calculation, the piano would have hit the ground in 11 seconds. I dare say that confirms my basic point, since the 9/11 Commission and NIST have assigned times of destruction for the towers of 10 seconds and 9 seconds apiece. So even though the calculation was flawed, the key point remains. The Twin Towers were demolished in less time than free fall through air!

At 21 November, 2006 10:42, Blogger CHF said...


Ferzer's "best guess" is...

- mini-nukes in the basement

- beam weapons on most of the towers

- explosives (thermite or thermate?) on the last 20 floors

if you have any respect for logic and evidence


This guy is single-handedly destroying the twoofers.

At 21 November, 2006 10:57, Blogger The Reverend Schmitt., FCD. said...

more conventional explosives (possibly thermite or thermate?)

Thermite is conventional or an explosive?

Given that Fetzer has read the NIST FAQ, why is he still claiming that the estimation they provided in seconds was for the perimeter columns only, and the bulk of the towers was falling for longer?

At 21 November, 2006 10:59, Blogger The Reverend Schmitt., FCD. said...

^^Er, should be 'why hasn't he acknowledged'. Fingers don't fail me now!

At 21 November, 2006 12:09, Blogger Alex said...

Heh, I fear that I may be at least partly responsible for the resurgence of the mini-nuke theory. I had a pretty heated discussion with a twoofer who insisted that the demolition of the WTC would have required something on the order of 100 terajoules of energy. He had calculations to back it up, although they were based on the expansion of gas, and as such were totally irrelevant to the topic at hand. Anyway, just to demonstrate how silly the idea was, I calculated for him the amount of explosive required to produce that much energy, ending with the conclusion that "it would have required a nuke".

Sure enough, instead of realizing that his calculations were flawed, this clown took it to mean that a nuke MUST have been used at ground zero. Last I heard, him and some "physics" buddies of his were "researching" the types of nukes in the US arsenal.

At 21 November, 2006 13:46, Blogger CHF said...

I calculated for him the amount of explosive required to produce that much energy, ending with the conclusion that "it would have required a nuke".

Hey man, the stats don't lie.

If it had the power of a nuke then clearly it was a nuke.

At 21 November, 2006 15:08, Blogger Zeitgeist said...




*grabs popcorn*


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