Sunday, May 14, 2006

The "Just Asking Questions" Jive

As noted in the terrific New Times article on Loose Change,

Of course, when one of the few skeptical people in attendance at 3 Roots pressed the kids about their claims, they rapidly spewed a bunch of nonsense before resorting to the age-old chestnut, "Hey, we're just asking questions. We're not saying it happened this way. We're asking questions."


Questions like these:

1. (1:09:59): The cellphone calls were fake. No questions about it.

2. (58:50): So if Flight 93 didn't go down in Shanksville, then where? You ready for this? Cleveland.

3. (59:52): Therefore, Flight 93 landed at Cleveland at approximately 10:45.

4. (1:00:25): So at 11:15, 200 or so passengers were released from Flight 93.

5. (1:01:35): We may never know what happened to Flight 93. But we do know what didn't happen.

6. (1:02:25): But if we could examine the black boxes from the planes that were used, we could prove that they weren't the original flights.

7 Comments:

At 14 May, 2006 11:24, Blogger Paul said...

Well, is there some sort of overall disclaimer at the beginning of the movie? If so, assertions made during can be considered rhetorical.

 
At 14 May, 2006 11:31, Blogger nesNYC said...

VERY GOOD! I see the fear just reeking in a lot of these hit pieces, fuckin' awesome.

Remember the stages of truth:

"All truth passes through three stages, First, it is ridiculed. Second it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Schopenhauer 1850

We are witnessing stage two.

 
At 14 May, 2006 11:37, Blogger roger_sq said...

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At 14 May, 2006 11:52, Blogger roger_sq said...

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At 14 May, 2006 11:56, Blogger roger_sq said...

To be fair, most of the movie asks questions. LC's strength is broad appeal to ask questions (it is obviously working). Answers would best be found elsewhere.


1. (1:09:59): The cellphone calls were fake. No questions about it.

-my phone has never worked more tha 30 seconds after takeoff. Working in wireless telecom for years, I was always curious about the upward range of cell towers, because antennas are arrayed to very specific specs to accomodate slope and lay of the target area. SO I used to watch how fast my cell signal would drop off on the ascent. Anecdotal evidence, but I don't believe any cell calls could have been made, not even from 1,000 feet in 99% of the airspace.


2. (58:50): So if Flight 93 didn't go down in Shanksville, then where? You ready for this? Cleveland.

Ok, that was a statement. The statement was also made by the mayor of cleveland, via the AP, that flight 93 landed in Cleveland. Why did they say that, and where in the 9/11 Commission was that report investigated.


3. (59:52): Therefore, Flight 93 landed at Cleveland at approximately 10:45.

This entire line of evidence is admittedly the most dubious in the movie, but interesting speculation to be sure.


4. (1:00:25): So at 11:15, 200 or so passengers were released from Flight 93.

ditto.

5. (1:01:35): We may never know what happened to Flight 93. But we do know what didn't happen.

Military intercept didn't happen. Why not.

6. (1:02:25): But if we could examine the black boxes from the planes that were used, we could prove that they weren't the original flights.

From the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review on September 14th

"FBI Agent William Crowley announced Thursday afternoon that investigators using heavy equipment found the recorder in a crater at the crash site near Lambertsville...Crowley said the recorders from Flight 93 did not send out any emissions. It was discovered by an “integrated search team” of state police and federal investigators using heavy equipment to unearth the device from the crater cut into the ground on impact.

Official 'evidence photo' of the flight recorder as it was 'found', from the Moussauoi trial-

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=2172

buried in a crater? Requiring heavy equipment to excavate? Really!

 
At 14 May, 2006 12:00, Blogger nesNYC said...

Check out this book on flight 93 roger:

PHANTOM FLIGHT 93

Still, there are a lot of questions why it took up until October to find all the body parts and then, they were so small that DNA test were needed to identify them and only 2% of the total of human remains were ever recovered. It's pretty safe to say no plane crashed in Shanksville.

 
At 18 May, 2006 21:48, Blogger shawn said...

"VERY GOOD! I see the fear just reeking in a lot of these hit pieces, fuckin' awesome."

I truly hope you are some angst-filled teenager, because otherwise your life is lost.

Fear? Well, it's more anger over the fact that many Americans are so ignorant when it comes to logic and reason.

 

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