Media Blackout Lifted
The august New York Times covers 9-11apalooza in Chicago:
In the foyer, there were stick-pins for sale ("More gin, less Rummy"), and in the lecture halls discussions of the melting point of steel. "It's all documented," people said. Or: "The mass media is mass deception." Or, as strangers from the Internet shook hands: "Great to meet you. Love the work."
Such was the coming-out for the movement known as "9/11 Truth," a society of skeptics and scientists who believe the government was complicit in the terrorist attacks. In colleges and chat rooms on the Internet, this band of disbelievers has been trying for years to prove that 9/11 was an inside job.
But, as the article notes, the convention had about 500 attendees in total. IIRC, the cost was about $50 so that may have kept some of the college crowd away. That doesn't mean they can't dream though:
To get the message out, the movement has gone beyond bumper stickers and "Kumbaya" into political action.
There is a plan, Mr. Berger said, to create a fund to support candidates on a 9/11 platform. There is a plan to create a network of college campus groups. There is a plan by the British delegation (such as it is, so far) to get members of Parliament to watch "Loose Change," the seminal movement DVD.
And there's the usual paranoia:
"I hope you don't end up dead somewhere," a companion said to a participant, hours earlier as he dropped him at the Loop. "Don't worry," the participant said. "There's too many of us for that."
But overall I am sure that the Truthers have to be thrilled with this particular article. It does note that they're frequently considered nutty by even their family and friends, but it does not attempt to characterize them that way, and avoids mentioning the really wacky stuff in Loose Change. The description of the conspiracy theory is roughly LIHOP with demolition charges, which is probably the most palatable version of the CT.


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hey. i LOVE this blog
is there anywhere i can download an offline copy of the screw loose change video? so i dont have to watch it through google
default, I think you can download it at google, but you have to watch it through their player. Not sure if Markyx has it available in other formats.
I wish I could get the tin foil
concession for this gathering.
Make a freaking fortune .....
I might be uploading it somewhere with a slighlty modified version that can be downloaded.
I thought the article was fair. I'd never go to a convention myself nor march in an anti-war rally. Most people are like me, witness the polls on the war vs the turn-out at anti-war marches.
"Elvis and Area 51 — we're sort of lumped together," said Harlan Dietrich, a recent college graduate from Austin, Tex. "It's attack the messenger, not the message every time."
People resort to attacking the messenger because when the message gets shredded due to its numerous fallacies, superficial statements, and purposeful distortions, the "messengers" don't respond. That's not to mention that they have yet to produce a single piece of concrete evidence to back up their claims.
Do these conventions open themselves up to debate? Do they entertain opposing viewpoints? Do they address the debunkings?
It doesn't appear so, so how can anything they do involve a search for truth?
Very happy to find this blog. I admit to being kind of impressed with Loose Change on the first viewing, but after a few hours I had to remind myself that I dropped out of physics in high school. I was highly skeptical of the ending, though. Insurance fraud and a few million dollars in gold theft seem like incredibly petty reasons to allow damage and destruction to two of the nation's most important buildings. The Screw Loose Change re-edit (and the Viewer's Guide and other sources it was based on) did a good job of countering Dylan's argument for me.
Interesting to read that the 500-attendee crowd at "9-11palooza" was fairly diverse.
P.S. I have one major disagreement with the Screw Loose Change video - I loved the music.
I've got a picture over at my blog scanned from the NY Times story that isn't on the electronic version. These folks are VERY scary looking...
Marky, I actually downloaded all of your videos and then stuck them together and converted them into mp4 format. If you have (and I'm assuming you would) your original version, you could try creating a torrent and posting it to some of the torrent sites. It gets around the problem of having to pay hundreds of dollars in hosting fees if the movie gets really popular :) If it wasn't for that consideration, I'd offer to host it for you myself.
My original is the 320x200..so..meh
What would I need to do?
I'm downloading it off MegaUpload now; I'm gonna torrent it as soon as I have the whole thing, then post the URL here, and seed for as long as I can :)
sound good?
Sure
so (just to make sure) the megaupload version is your original?
Once I have it torrented, you can pretty much just open the torrent and have it "save over" (a copy of) the original video and you'll be an instant-seeder. would help me out some ;-)
Yep it's the original. Won't get better than that unless I plan on reworking a DVD rip (yeah right)
Cool. then it's up.
Get the torrent HERE.
Any seeding help would be appreciated!
(I have it as a folder named "Screw Loose Change" with the three videos from the .rar file in it. So create a new folder with that name and COPY the videos in, then when the torrent asks where to save, choose the directory ABOVE the "screw loose change" folder.)
WTC7: Watch. Consider. Think.
Directions:
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WTC7: Watch. Consider. Think.
oh, please. not this bullshit again.
What's a good torrent program? Once I get a hold of one and get this video I'll seed it constantly.
Shawn: I alternate between a few.
These days I normally use either Azureus (good if you wanna run a whole bunch of things alot of the time, with queueing and stuff), and BitTornado (which is great for stand-alone purposes). I'm currently seeding using the latter.
Marky:
think you could post a link to the torrent (or, just the .torrent file itself hosted on your own site) on your "videos" page? It might even replace the megaupload link, or at least be an addition to it O:-)
Eh sure, I need linkage. If you can, put it on PirateBay also.
im seeding the torrent now also, thanks :)
with your permission id like to throw it on torrentspy as well (if someone hasnt done that)
I forget if i have a working account there, but if I do i'll try to get it done.
BTW: I accidentally attacked you in a comment on the myspace version of part 1... I didn't realize it was *you*, and i didn't realize you were talking about a prior comment as opposed to the video. yeah i'm an idiot today, heh.
Default: as far as i'm concerned, you can throw it wherever you want. i assume marky will agree with me, though he could correct me if i'm mistaken.
Good to see the torrents getting started. Wish I could help but I can't seed from this base :(
Alex:
it's ok, we've pretty much got seeding covered. now on the other hand if you can help spread, i.e. tell others outside to get it, post it to appropriate forums, etc. that would be cool ;-)
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