Tuesday, June 27, 2006

A Must Watch Video

Pat and I noticed this first draft of a video named "The Usual Suspects" by a man named Karim, on a post at the JREF forum:









Unlike a certain popular Google video, which will remain nameless, it does not consist of screenshots of blogs and wikipedia references, it is nothing but clips of Al Qaeda videos, along with the translations. Included are several clips of bin Laden and al Zawahiri, including the famous confession video, as well as videos by several of the hijackers, recording their reasons for carrying out the attacks. It is quite eerie, but well worth a watch.

Click here for the video.

57 Comments:

At 27 June, 2006 19:24, Blogger Chad said...

Wow....

Nessie, I can't wait to hear your explanation for this.

 
At 27 June, 2006 19:34, Blogger MarkyX said...

Arg, I was supposed to pimp it first!

 
At 27 June, 2006 19:36, Blogger James B. said...

LOL sorry, I actually held off waiting for the author to respond, but I got impatient. If it is OK with him, I think we should send it to hotair, they would probably put it up.

 
At 27 June, 2006 19:45, Blogger MarkyX said...

Put it on Little Green Footballs also.

I was hoping I can get the original because I will upload this on YouTube and numerous other places. With my every-annoying prestige as being a thorn to the CT community, this should be extra fun.

I wonder how many threats I will get if I put this on YouTube :)

 
At 27 June, 2006 20:06, Blogger James B. said...

You have been getting threats? I just get called a shill. I feel left out.

 
At 27 June, 2006 20:17, Blogger MarkyX said...

Yeah, been getting threats for quite some time. Highschool bullshit is the first thing that come into mind.

 
At 27 June, 2006 20:19, Blogger James B. said...

Hmm, maybe I am too intimidating. ;-) It must be the tough looking picture of me in my DCUs on my blog...

 
At 27 June, 2006 20:57, Blogger shawn said...

Why'd you post a video of a bunch of CIA agents?

 
At 27 June, 2006 21:05, Blogger Chad said...

Why'd you post a video of a bunch of CIA agents?

Jooish CIA agents nonetheless. And the choppy editing clearly indicates that whoever pieced it together purposefully left out the images of them dancing the Macarena in the parking lot of an auto dealer who only sells conspicuous white vans.

And those translations were clearly CGI'd in. There's no way that the words the people were saying would physically appear in front of them as they spoke.

This whole thing is a joke and I question the timing.

Shalom!

 
At 27 June, 2006 21:46, Blogger Northern Exposer said...

Did anybody else notice the "explosions" going off when Al-Zawhiri and Bin Laden were praising the "19 brothers" by the base of the mountain? (8:31 mark)) Boom...Boom...Boom. It happened again at the start of Suleiman Abu Ghaith's speech by the rocks. Boom... Boom...Boom.
I know it was the wind blowing through the microphone each time, but couldn't that explain some of the "explosions" heard on LC? Or is that too Avery-esque for everybody?

 
At 27 June, 2006 23:06, Blogger BG said...

I'm only posting this comment here because this is the more recent blog post.

This evening Jim Fetzer was on Alan Colmes radio show for an hour or less. It was a huge failure. You guys should be happy: Fetzer acted like a jerk. If I knew nothing else and heard Fetzer speak tonight, I would have, I think, the same condemning attitude that many of you cheering on this blog have.

 
At 28 June, 2006 00:22, Blogger James B. said...

LOL Fetzer is such a loon. My favorite is where he says that Mineta resigned because he was on Hannity & Colmes.

If I had a recording I could spend the next 3 weeks documenting all the lies he told.

 
At 28 June, 2006 05:07, Blogger nesNYC said...

Nessie, I can't wait to hear your explanation for this.

Al-CIA-duh Psy-ops.

Question, how easy is it to pay starving (literally) actors in the third world to create these kinds of videos? Nice effects on some too hey?

You guys remember that "Iraqis are pulling babies from incubator" story? A well known 5th Avenue PR firm's handiwork there. Yeah, they look "real" but you have to see who's paying for these very Hollywood productions.

 
At 28 June, 2006 05:24, Blogger MarkyX said...

Nesync, I was hoping you would be more creative. Actors? Use your artistic license! I'm disappointed at your insanity, usually it's more entertaining :'(

 
At 28 June, 2006 06:21, Blogger undense said...

OMG! The guy who does bin Laden is an actor?

I'd like to hire him as a stripper for my wife's next birthday party? OBL boogeying to YMCA would be hilarious.

Do you happen to have his address and phone number, nesnyc?

 
At 28 June, 2006 06:24, Blogger Chad said...

Actors that just happened to look exactly like jihadists that hung out together and who showed up on video surveillance from that Tuesday morning?

Some of which were even at gatherings with Osama?

Dash cunning of the CIA.

You're stretching Nessie. And it's starting to get pretty damn lame.

 
At 28 June, 2006 06:38, Blogger nesNYC said...

The guy who does bin Laden is an actor?

Yeah! Even the real Bin Laden was a CIA man.

 
At 28 June, 2006 06:40, Blogger nesNYC said...

Actors that just happened to look exactly like jihadists that hung out together and who showed up on video surveillance from that Tuesday morning?

The ones that are still alive or the ones that were camera shy at the airports?

 
At 28 June, 2006 06:47, Blogger CHF said...

that's right nesnyc - the hijackers are still alive.

And to date no CTers has thought to track them down and get an interview.

Can't imagine why...

 
At 28 June, 2006 06:51, Blogger CHF said...

by the way, some German journalists actually did their homework and followed up on the hijacker story.

The result?

The hijackers are in fact DEAD!

If you'd care to track them down and prove otherwise, nesnyc, go right ahead. Lord knows the rest of the CT squad can't be bothered.

This bullshit was debunked ages ago. But as with most facts it's in one ear and out the other with you CTers.

"Truth" my ass.

 
At 28 June, 2006 06:58, Blogger nesNYC said...

by the way, some German journalists actually did their homework and followed up on the hijacker story.

Oh yeah like an "explanation" wasn't needed after the cover was blown way off. Mmmmkay..

 
At 28 June, 2006 07:05, Blogger nesNYC said...

The hijackers are in fact DEAD!

Funny how they didn't show up on >THIS autopsy list. You sure these are the same "dead" guys? LOL!

 
At 28 June, 2006 07:23, Blogger apathoid said...

Nessie spewed...
Oh yeah like an "explanation" wasn't needed after the cover was blown way off. Mmmmkay..

So, Der Spiegel is a Bush administration mouthpiece?

This coverup of yours is getting bigger and bigger by the minute bro.

Funny how they didn't show up on >THIS autopsy list. You sure these are the same "dead" guys? LOL!

Funny, nesnyc, that you just latch on to anything that looks suspicious, whether or not it goes against your current beliefs. You linked a list of people identifed(presumably through DNA) as being found at the Pentagon, on Flight 77. I thought a missile hit the Pentagon, nes?? How is it possible that you are using "evidence" to dispell one of your own theories?

If it was all fakery, why not fake some Arabs on the autospy list. You dont make any sense.

Could it be that the folks on that list were identified by DNA through relatives and no such DNA matches could be made for the hijackers??

Click.Read.Learn.

 
At 28 June, 2006 07:26, Blogger nesNYC said...

I thought a missile hit the Pentagon, nes??

Did you read the whole piece? In fact the "remains" weren't identified at the Pentagon.

 
At 28 June, 2006 07:29, Blogger nesNYC said...

Here's the problem with the 911myth site:

This could well be a partial list, then. Visit the main Memorial page (www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial), click "About this site" and you'll find further qualifications on the data.

"This COULD well be?" The entire site is rubbish, supposition, innuendo and opinion not based on facts. It fails miserably at being a debunking site.

 
At 28 June, 2006 07:30, Blogger apathoid said...

Did you read the whole piece? In fact the "remains" weren't identified at the Pentagon.

No, I'd imagine they were identified in a pathology lab. Care to address why they would omit the most important people from the list if this is a coverup.
?

 
At 28 June, 2006 07:37, Blogger apathoid said...

"This COULD well be?" The entire site is rubbish, supposition, innuendo and opinion not based on facts. It fails miserably at being a debunking site.

Thats exactly why 911mthys is a credible debunking site, Nessie. The author doesnt claim that what you are reading is "The Truth". He also uses facts, logic, and reason in his debunking. That these things bounce off of most CTs isnt the problem of debunkers - its YOUR problem. Thats why your little theories are getting more insane by the day.

 
At 28 June, 2006 07:44, Blogger nesNYC said...

The author doesnt claim that what you are reading is "The Truth".

That's exactly what I suspected.

Let's break this down:

No Arabs wound up on the morgue slab; however, three ADDITIONAL people not listed by American Airline sneaked in. I have seen no explanation for these extras.

That's not 3 additional "nameless" Arabs. Those are identified as non-hijacker passengers. The 911myth guy got that totally wrong, like a lot of that site. I'm not sure if it's on purpose or just plain old disinformation.

 
At 28 June, 2006 07:51, Blogger nesNYC said...

How come no comments on this? Did I stump you guys?!?!?!?!?

You guys remember that "Iraqis are pulling babies from incubator" story? A well known 5th Avenue PR firm's handiwork there. Yeah, they look "real" but you have to see who's paying for these very Hollywood productions.

 
At 28 June, 2006 07:57, Blogger shawn said...

Der Spiegel, one of the most anti-American periodicals in the world today, is covering the Bush administration's ass? Please.

Totally off-topic, but after 9/11 the New York Times demanded the government track terrorist financing. Gotta love hypocrisy.

 
At 28 June, 2006 08:00, Blogger MarkyX said...

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At 28 June, 2006 08:00, Blogger MarkyX said...

nesync, you can thank Kuwait for that. Not the states.

I don't see the connection between 9/11 and the Kuwait incident. Like every other CTer, when your argument fails, you use something in the past that has no connection to the subject.

You aren't stumping us. We are ignoring your off-topic tactics.

 
At 28 June, 2006 08:07, Blogger apathoid said...

nesnyc, please address:

Why go to the trouble of fakery just to forget the most important people on a published autospy list?

How they could identify the hijackers by DNA?(supposing, of course, that there were hijackers)

 
At 28 June, 2006 08:07, Blogger shawn said...

I don't see the connection between 9/11 and the Kuwait incident.

Like the others, nesnyc has no knowledge of logical fallacies.

Non sequitur in this case.

 
At 28 June, 2006 08:20, Blogger apathoid said...

You guys remember that "Iraqis are pulling babies from incubator" story? A well known 5th Avenue PR firm's handiwork there. Yeah, they look "real" but you have to see who's paying for these very Hollywood productions.

This is relevant to this discussion because.........?

 
At 28 June, 2006 08:45, Blogger shawn said...

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At 28 June, 2006 08:46, Blogger shawn said...

I wonder when any of the geniuses who post here will realize they use circular logic.

"Don't trust the video because they're hired by the CIA/ are CIA agents."
"Oh yeah, how do you know?"
"Because they were hired by the CIA/are CIA agents. It's a fact"

 
At 28 June, 2006 11:02, Blogger JoanBasil said...

nesnyc is right: The Iraqis-pulled-babies-from-incubators story, concocted by Hill and Knowlton, was a complete lie and the propagandists had the nerve and confidence to have the KUWAITI AMBASSADOR'S DAUGHTER tell it to a hearing on Capitol hill. In fact, members of Congress were complicit: they had her tell the lie at a hearing of the "Congressional Human Rights Caucus" - not a committe of Congress - so that she could lie without fear of accountability for anyone when the lie was revealed.

And thats the way some of our elites operate: contempt for the truth, contempt for the American people. And they're evil and they couldn't care less about Americans getting murdered.

Of course, they'd make phony videos.




http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/3589/us-iraq-lie.html

 
At 28 June, 2006 11:19, Blogger CHF said...

nesnyc...

If the Kuwait/baby story proves 9/11 was an inside job then what am I to make of your stupid claim that Scuds are American? Or your belief that the WTC was built with bombs in 1972? Or that Muslim suicide bombers are really Jews?

I wouldn't get on the "this-lie-discredits-everything" train if I were you.

Again, dude: TRACK DOWN THE HIJACKERS if you think they're still with us.

This is what any good investigator would do. Yet NONE of you CT moron do it!

Why? Because you've got the brain and logic of a 5 year old child!

 
At 28 June, 2006 11:38, Blogger shawn said...

If you can find anywhere where we say the government has never lied than your Kuwait non sequitur might have a point.

 
At 28 June, 2006 11:48, Blogger shawn said...

then*

 
At 28 June, 2006 11:59, Blogger James B. said...

The difference between scientific theory and conspiracy theory is that scientific theories are disprovable. Conspiracy theories will just claim "it was faked" anytime the evidence contradicts them.

You could use that argument for anything.

Apollo 11 landed on the moon - it was faked.

Hitler killed 11 million people in death camps - it was faked

The earth is round - it was faked

Issac Newton proved the theory of gravity - also faked

 
At 28 June, 2006 12:13, Blogger JoanBasil said...

I watched some of the video and then skimmed through the rest. His point is that the photographs we've all seen so many times of the "19 hijackers" look sorta like people in a video with someone who is supposed to be Osama bin Laden.

RE the ones who look sorta like the pictures of the "19 hijackers" - one of the fellows in the video also looks like a fellow who works at the Getty station near me.

Re Osama bin Laden --- I asked this the other day: Why couldn't the 9/11 Commission at least nail down whether he has a kidney disease and was on dialysis? Thats something that actually should be possible to nail down and its important whereas making comparisons with a photograph is subjective. (Do we really credit "facial recognition" technology for anything more than a preliminary examination? You're comparing a flat photograph or video with a human face or with another photograph video.)

 
At 28 June, 2006 12:22, Blogger JoanBasil said...

The Kuwaiti Ambassador's daughter lied about who she was to deceive the American people: fact

The Niger uranium papers were crude forgeries used to deceive the American people: fact
(and I've done a search on what the "British source" of the same lies were and theres no good reason to believe its not the same liars involved. How ridiculous to say that the British told our government something and wouldn't say what the source was or that our government didn't ask, "Whats your source?")

And on and on. Piles of lies. They think nothing of lying to us. In fact, 9/11 Commission Executive Director Philip Zelikow's area of expertise is the creation of maintenance of "public myths." He's a fine one to look for the truth.

 
At 28 June, 2006 12:30, Blogger James B. said...

(and I've done a search on what the "British source" of the same lies were and theres no good reason to believe its not the same liars involved. How ridiculous to say that the British told our government something and wouldn't say what the source was or that our government didn't ask, "Whats your source?")


Do your search again, because you are wrong. The Butler report, which spent a hell of a lot more time on this issue than you did, did an investigation and found the evidence was credible. This was years aftar the documents (which were never used by anyone for anything) were shown to be forgeries.

By Joan logic, if I typed up a fake bronze star citation for John Murtha and mailed it to the Washington Post, and they immediately figured out it was a forgery, this would prove that Murtha never earned a bronze star.

Bizarre.

 
At 28 June, 2006 12:31, Blogger shawn said...

And on and on. Piles of lies. They think nothing of lying to us

It's logically fallacious to believe something is a lie just because a source lied before. You can suspect it, but you need facts to buttress your points.

And if you can tell me who forged the documents you get bonus points (hint: wasn't America).

 
At 28 June, 2006 13:22, Blogger JoanBasil said...

The Butler report said it was credible but we all know it was a lie!!

Lord, when do stop letting them do this to you? I read someone's comment on a blog the other day that was so memorable, that about 30% of the population would still support Bush if he broke into their home and urinated on their children. We can't do anything much about it but at least we don't have to say we believe them when they tell us that they believed lies.

 
At 28 June, 2006 13:40, Blogger shawn said...

that about 30% of the population would still support Bush if he broke into their home and urinated on their children

S-s-s-trawman.

I support Bush (weak as he is on the GWoT) because he's the toughest of the candidates. I don't support him on virtually anything domestically (then again, that's true with every president since FDR for me).

 
At 28 June, 2006 14:17, Blogger CHF said...

nesnyc,

Just how many people do you think were involved in the 9/11 plot?

I understand that you have previously stated that you believe it wasn’t that great a number.

You have since implicated the Zionists, structural engineers, US military, air traffic controllers, FEMA, NTSB, NORAD, NYC police, firefighters, the folks who built the WTC, Mossad, CIA, Islamic fundamentalists, Charlie Sheen and most recently a few German reporters who had the guts to do the kind of research that you CTers can’t be bothered doing.

So what’s your latest estimate as to the number of people who were/are in on it? It’s gotta be tens of thousands – with NO whistleblowers!

Maybe you could come up with a list of people who AREN’T in on it since it’s probably a lot shorter.

Must be pretty scary going through life thinking that you’re Neo and that everyone else is Agent Smith.

 
At 28 June, 2006 16:31, Blogger ScottSl said...

This could well be a partial list, then. Visit the main Memorial page (www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial), click "About this site" and you'll find further qualifications on the data.

"This COULD well be?" The entire site is rubbish, supposition, innuendo and opinion not based on facts. It fails miserably at being a debunking site.

Acually thats not a problem at all. In fact he's being extra carefull and later backs his claims.

Don't want to take our word for it? Then read what CNN says. Visit the Memorial page at http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/index.html , then click About This Site, and you'll find some text that's interesting for a couple of reasons.

The list includes those listed as "confirmed dead" and "reported dead" by the Associated Press... (Those identified by federal authorities as the hijackers are not included).

So, the lists come from press reports, not the airline; they're not official passenger manifests after all (see more support for this at http://www.911myths.com/html/cnn_passenger_lists.html ). Also CNN specifically say that the alleged hijackers are not listed. None of this was at all difficult to find, so why didn't Griffin think to mention it?

http://www.911myths.com/html/omissions____chapter_1.html
Also see here for your autopsy
http://www.911myths.com/html/autopsy_list.html

 
At 28 June, 2006 16:52, Blogger James B. said...

The Butler report said it was credible but we all know it was a lie!!


See, this is why we say that conspiracy theorists are a religion, you base things on what you feel and believe, I base it on what I can prove.

I am not so arrogant as to claim I know more about the inner workings of British Intelligence than the British government does. I have never worked in British Intelligence, it would be dishonest to pretend I knew more about this than they did. Apparently you don't have those restrictions.

 
At 28 June, 2006 20:50, Blogger JoanBasil said...

I'd be at least as skeptical of the British as of our own SOBs. They got a history, perfidious Albion and all that. see list at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfidious_Albione

Plus Bush is such cypher. Devil or idiot. Is he following a plan when he comes out with the kind of moronic stuff like "Bring it on," "Wanted Dead or Alive" or whatever embarrassing prattle he's said lately. Or he hears voices in his head like Andrea Yates. Who was it said Bush told him God wanted the Iraq War? God told Bush to do it or something like that.

Of course its not arrogance to distrust the British government. The British government is part of lying us into this war. Why is it wrong to take this war seriously and hold accountable everyone responsible for this disaster to our country and the world?

 
At 28 June, 2006 21:10, Blogger James B. said...

Are you sure that you aren't the one hearing voices in your head?

 
At 28 June, 2006 22:24, Blogger default.xbe said...

The British government is part of lying us into this war.

and the conspiracy grows...

 
At 29 June, 2006 06:21, Blogger JoanBasil said...

James,
Talk about not answering questions!

Why is it wrong to take this disastrous lied-into Iraq war seriously and hold those responsible accountable? The Republicans are throwing around the word "treason" by the NY Times lately! Now thats arrogance. Its their M.O., accusing others of what they've done themselves: betrayed this country.

 
At 29 June, 2006 13:15, Blogger shawn said...

The Republicans are throwing around the word "treason" by the NY Times lately! Now thats arrogance.

It was absolutely ridiculous for them to reveal the finance tracking program...especially since right after the attack the NEW YORK TIMES CALLED FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO DO THAT EXACT THING. Without question it was treasonous to reveal that information.

 
At 30 June, 2006 08:09, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

This is what pisses me off about CTs, they take REAL cases of lying(yes folks, the Niger Uranium papers were found to be fake, contained numerous errors, as certified by Joe Wilson and the IAEA), YES a PR firm lied about events in Kuwait:

Total evidence this provides toward a 9-11 "Inside Job"? 0! ZERO!!! NADA!! Nisto!

CTs take REAL issues that have real evidence and serious implications, and push them into the background to prop up their idiotic, unprovable theories.

 

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