In Praise of the Daily Kos
This little post may get me drummed out of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, but I am going to praise the Daily Kos and its proprietor, Markos Moulitsas. I was not aware of this previously, but apparently Kos has a standing rule against posting the 9-11 "Truth" stuff.
Diaries on certain topics are likely to generate angry responses. Most of these topics fall under the general heading of "conspiracy theories", i.e. "JFK was killed by Martians". The rule for posting such diaries is "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". The more extreme the claim, the higher the burden of proof that commenters will demand. If you can't provide evidence to back up your claim, it is best not to post the diary. This guideline also applies to recommending extraordinary-claims diaries. If a diary makes an extreme claim with little or no evidence to back up that claim, it shouldn't be recommended, no matter what that claim is.
Controversial 9/11 Diaries
DailyKos accepts that the 9/11 attacks were perpetrated by agents of Al-Qaeda. It is forbidden to write diaries that:
1. refer to claims that American, British, Israeli, or any government assisted in the attacks
2. refer to claims that the airplanes that crashed into the WTC and Pentagon were not the cause of the damage to those buildings or their subsequent collapse
Authoring or recommending these diaries may result in banning from Daily Kos.
It is relevant to note that this procedure was instituted over at Kos on July 8, 2005, the day after the London subway bombings.
General nutter Mike Malloy of Air America apparently just found out about this, and went off onto one of his typical rants. The segment on Kos and 9-11 Truthers begins about 9:22. Here's a transcript of Malloy's tirade.
When I listen to people who question the official story of what happened on 9/11… it stimulates me to question it myself. Now, as in any of these instances, there may be certain people involved in the 9/11 Truth community who I might consider or you might consider to be really out there in tin-foil hat land. And that may be because of our perspectives.
On the other hand, there are people who challenge the official story of September 11th who are as solid, and sensible, and logical as you are, and as I am.
So, this is a story, (the attack on this country September the 11th, 2001), that became the basis for US foreign policy… according to Bush and these murderous bastards who now run this country.
posted by Pat @ 3:31 PM
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Mike Malloy, The Daily Kos & 9/11
First off, if Kos is truly part of the "Democratic establishment" they'll never get reelected.
Secondly, I never thought I'd say I agree with Kos in my entire life.
The Democratic establishment is complicit/part of the cover-up known as the Kean Commission and Markos wants to live off the Democratic establishment somehow or other, ergo . . .
Uhuh, yeah, taht's exactly it. Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that he realizes you're all nuts, and doesn't want to be associated with whacky theories. Really, he's just a Zionist CIA shill.
Mike Malloy makes perfect sense. The 9/11 events are being used to keep this country at war for the next 30 years with people who never threatened or attacked us, so that our country's leaders can rule the world with violence.
Yep, that's why the US keeps invading third world shitholes. Because everyone knows that if you want to rule the world, you don't attack the powerfull countries; instead you invest trillions of dollars into destroying dictatorial regimes with a net GDP lower than that of NYC, and then rebuilding them into democracies. Yep, that's the way to do it.
First they came for the 9/11 "conspiracy theorists," etc.
What the hell? The internet's an open forum, and websites are privately owned. Getting banned from a site in no way infringes on your freedom of speech. If you come into my house and start yelling about Zionists trying to take over the world, I'll boot your ass out too, and that wouldn't be infringing on any of your rights either. You're more than welcome to start up your own site and write about whatever insane ideas you can think up.
First they came for the 9/11 "conspiracy theorists," etc.
The little statement you're referring to is on the New England Holocaust Memorial fifteen minutes from my house. Never compare you whackos to the people who were slaughtered sixty years ago.
Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that he realizes you're all nuts, and doesn't want to be associated with whacky theories.
Well, this is the guy who said "screw 'em" when several of his countrymen were tortured, burned, and dragged around a city.
Well, this is the guy who said "screw 'em" when several of his countrymen were tortured, burned, and dragged around a city.
Hey, don't get me wrong, I think the guy's a moron and an asshole, but he doesn't come close to the level of insanity of our resident CT'ers.
Because everyone knows that if you want to rule the world, you don't attack the powerfull countries; instead you invest trillions of dollars into destroying dictatorial regimes with a net GDP lower than that of NYC, and then rebuilding them into democracies.
I have seen anti-globalist nutjobs say that we got involved in Bosnia and Kosovo in order to make money for the global elites.
Yeah, right. The entire exports of both of them combined is equivilent to the sales of your average suburban shopping mall.
Left Blogosphere Implosion!
By Good Lieutenant
It hasn't been a good two weeks in left-wing blogdom.
Kos is emerging as a slimy pay-to-play Democrat, partnered with a potential criminal - despite the hype and promise to be "different" than the typical politico. Not only that, but he coordinated with other top lefty bloggers to get them to stay silent on the story. For your enjoyment, The Freshmaker!
Kos is emerging as a slimy pay-to-play Democrat, partnered with a potential criminal - despite the hype and promise to be "different" than the typical politico. Not only that, but he coordinated with other top lefty bloggers to get them to stay silent on the story. For your enjoyment, The Freshmaker!
You do realize that most of us are pretty up-and-up on the blogosphere, right? We're not arguing that Kos is a good person (he's obviously a disgusting human being), but he even realizes this is all nosense.
The percentage of voters who know or care about DailyKos has to be so small.
Also, no candidate he's ever backed has won.
Quick, see this before it's gone again!!!
Fox News - 911 The Israeli Connection
I guess the consensus belief is that the CIA quit training terrorists when they got into drug smuggling and dealing crack?
Hey, genius, Al Qaeda was formed and funded by a Saudi.
The CIA funded NATIONALS in Afghanistan.
99% of the time when you guys use these sort of "I-know-what-I'm-talking-about" terms you have no clue.
Isn't it hilarious when they use those terms and then they say something without any basis in reality whatsoever?
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joan,
You are taking my comment more seriously than I meant it. The idea that there is any cognitive activity going on at this blog is questionable. I do respect the time that has been spent to do some of the research and composition of the blog posts here. As far as these comments, I post links in hopes that some might follow and enjoy learning rather than just holding steadfast to their unenlighted positions. I also comment only to mess with people that I would probably like and respect if I knew them personally, but I find infuriating in their blindness to 9/11.
The comment about Kos was only to mess with the whole idea that this blog post, somehow praising Kos for his good sense, shows the it's not easy to keep gathering and posting material to bash Loose Change.
You are taking my comment more seriously than I meant it. The idea that there is any cognitive activity going on at this blog is questionable.
Yeah BG, you are just so much smarter than we are. I don't know how I manage to tie my shoes in the morning.
You aren't that dumb.
Try again?
How about you try again and prove to me they funded and formed al-Qaeda.
"Personally, neither I nor any of my brothers saw evidence of American help." - Osama bin Laden, quoted by Robert Fisk
In Knights Under the Prophet's Banner al-Zawahiri wrote that Afghan mujihideen were funded by Arabs and Americans, but that the non-national mujihideen were funded by Saudis and others from the Arab world.
The idea that there is any cognitive activity going on at this blog is questionable.
Irony alert.
Shawn is right. Osama being under the CIA is a common myth. The CIA armed the native Afghans such as Masood, and Hekmatyar, the Saudis and other Gulf states supported the foreign mujahadeen.
People still make the same mistake nowadays. The Taliban are Afghan, although many grew up in Pakistan, the foreigners are Al Qaeda.
I can almost see the circular logic they'll whip out now:
Al-Qaeda is a CIA invention, so of course the members would pretend to not be funded/trained by the CIA so that we can keep fighting a phantom war so the New World Order can be established.
Another common misnomer is that these are the same organizations. Neither Al Qaeda nor the Taliban came around until the mid-90s, well after the Soviets left Afghanistan.
Joan, it's not censorship for Kos to control what is printed on his site. It's his and he pays the bandwidth charges. If anybody wants to write a blog about 9-11 conspiracy theories, they can go over to Blogger, as our buddy BG has, or they can post over at DU, which has a whole section devoted to 9-11 (and which furnishes us with some pretty wild material).
Kos has taken heat, sometimes unfairly, from conservative bloggers over some of the stupid things that appear in recommended diary entries. His system is pretty easy to game; just post a diary, then send an email (or a forum post) to ten friends asking them to recommend it, and suddenly your diary's on the front page. I'd strongly suspect that if you went back to July 8 of last year (day after tube bombings) you'd find a bunch of recommended diaries about how Tony Blair was behind it all, and that this was indeed the British 9-11. And further, you'd probably find Right Wing News pointing to these crazy recommended diaries over at Kos. Hell, I know John Hawkins at RWN; I'm sure he had something posted about the Kossacks' reaction.
When did Saudis start manufacturing M-16's? That's the same lame source the 9/11 commission used. Memoirs of a psychotic terrorist.
When did the Mujahadeen start using M-16s?
BG, no denying we are running short on material here; the Loosers have a couple of months before they come out with the new film, and we've only been picking the current one apart for what, 2 months now?
On the Kostroversy, I'd love to see the little doinkster go down, but in the end he still controls his fiefdom and the issue is minor. I despise him, but for the "screw 'em" comment more than anything else.
wrong.
I love how we support our points and roger never does.
Roger, notice Osama then changed his position on 9/11? Nerver changed it on the CIA nonsense.
I figure even with your low brain cell count you could figure out the difference between my quote and yours.
And the only American weapons I've seen used by terrorists have been in Iraq...y'know weapons they captured.
Joan, yes, Kos was in that awful commercial for Lamont. Allahpundit did a great parody of that ad, remixing it as a Mentos commercial. I agree that Kos isn't very deep and few Republicans read him, but his audience is immense--400,000 uniques a day.
Yeah, I'm really fucking surprised that the two top ranking islamic terrorists in the world deny receiving assistance from The Great Satan.
Hmmm... I wonder why nobody on the 9/11 commission thought TO ASK THE CIA? What a concept. But that would come dangerously close to a legitimate investigation.
So terrorists will deny the connection, but the CIA will say....what?
"oh, yeah, yep, that was us. we did it. what's the big deal? hey, is that a boston cream donut?"
Things sure are strange in your world....
Hmmm... I wonder why nobody on the 9/11 commission thought TO ASK THE CIA?
Ask them something that has no factual basis? Why not ask them if they funded the rise of the Soviet Union while you're at it?
(Taliban is brand spankin' new if yer a moron, or a thousand years old if you actually have a clue)
I hope you're not mistaking the Taliban for the caliphate.
I only alot myself a few minutes a day to waste preaching to brainwashed retards, sorry if blatant fallacies
This from the guy who thinks Zinn's biased history is a ok and has only given a subjective view of a gun as his evidence for a JFK conspiracy. This excuse doesn't hold water, it's like a creationist going "I don't have the time to argue with you, so I don't need to support my points."
The difference is that one quote supports your delusion and one does not
Why do you continue to substitute words with their antonyms? I'm not delusional, you are. Your worldview is based on faith and an ignorance of geopolitics and history.
Apparently you never heard of NEC
The Nippon Electric Company? I used to have a monitor made by them. What does that have to do with anything?
So... care to enlighten us on what NEC and UNRR are referring to, oh educated one?
The difference, in my strange world, is that Osama is a fanatic muslim terrorist, and the CIA is a government agency subservient to their masters- the American citizenry who pay their salary.
And that's how it works. Osama is in fact a fanatic Islamist terrorist, and the CIA neither created nor funded him. There is ZERO evidence the CIA funded al-Qaeda or Osama, but you can continue to have your blind faith.
Apparently you never heard of NEC, Lend-Lease, or UNRR but that's beside the point.
The OSS wasn't even around when the Soviet Union came into being, Einstein. (hahah me not hearing about something having to do with WW2, hilarious)
None of those had anything to do with actually building the USSR (or did you forget about our whole mini-invasion on the side of the Whites?). The Soviet Union had already been around for decades by the time we aided them.
To quote Churchill: "If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the Devil in the House of Commons."
That's because you've hardly considered it- period.
Your knowledge of history is so laughable you have no right being coy with someone else.
The UNRR is the United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration (it predates the founding of the UN, so "United Nations" refers to the Allied nation). It was a program for aiding refugees from liberated nations, and lasted from '43 to '49.
NEC can mean a whole slew of things, but none have to do with the Soviet Union. I assume he's referencing the National Economic Council, which didn't exist until two years after the fall of the Soviet Union.
That would be UNRRA. It makes a difference when you leave letters out of acronyms. Regardless it still has nothing to do with the establishment of the Soviet Union.
He could mean NEP, but that was a Soviet Program, not a US one. Lenin's attempts to stave off economic collapse before he died and Stalin took over and killed everyone.
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