You Need a Credit Card to Do That!
As Pat pointed out, there is an abundance of material from the Alan Colmes' interview of Jim Fetzer, however, the rumors that we are starting up a sister site “Screw Jim Fetzer” are just premature speculation. Not that this would be a bad idea, but I don’t think the pun would work…
Regardless here is another example of the inanity, and utter disregard for truth in the 9/11 “truth” movement. They are insulting, arrogant, and even lie about their own assertions. From the 16:20 mark of the interview:
Alan: Joe in Seattle, hello.OK, well all we have established here is that Fetzer is a jerk, who bases his theories on anonymous sources. But we already knew that, let's continue:
Joe: Hi Alan, very good point by the way, I got two things I want to say. Number 1, you are now talking to someone that is directly involved in this big conspiracy. My uncle died in Pennsylvania, so I guess this guy figures my uncle is part of the conspiracy, my aunt…
Fetzer: (yelling) What do you know about what happened in Pennsylvania?! I am sorry your uncle is dead, but what do you know about what happened?
Joe: You’re not sorry. You’re an idiot. You’ve got no idea what is going on, you are making things up. You’re hypothesizing and it’s really great.
Fetzer: This is quite ridiculous. I’ll be glad to talk about Pennsylvania. I had residents call me, and tell me that they explained to the FBI that they heard explosions in the air before anything hit the ground and the FBI would not write it down. I have had other citizens there write me letters and tell me they were taking by officials to a search area far larger than the officially designated area and the sheriff told them that if they mentioned it to anyone the sheriff would deny it. I…
Joe: I could give you a list of all the names
(unintelligible interspersed talking)
Alan: Alright, alright, Joe you’re claiming your uncle was on the plane and your uncle died on flight 93?
Joe: My uncle was on the plane, and was talking to my aunt during the hijacking.
Fetzer: Oh really!
Joe: I guess my uncle is a liar.
Fetzer: On a cell phone? That’s incredible because you can’t make those cell phones! We have a professor of computer science flying all over the country with different cell phones. He tries...
Joe: Oh God!
Fetzer: At altitudes above 2000 feet, at speeds above 230 it is almost impossible. It is almost impossible to make the connections. The relays…
The professor that Fetzer is talking about, A. K. Dewdney, did a study, which he elaborately called "Project Achilles" But it was not based upon "flying all over the country with different cellphones" It involved two Motorola cell phones flying around in a Cessna over London Ontario. Even then it was not "almost impossible" to make a call above 2000 feet, he noted a 75% success rate at 2000 feet. Maybe there is some other study he is talking about, if so it would be nice if he could share it with the rest of us.
But let's continue, here Joe from Seattle gets the Screw Loose Change award for "comeback of the day":
Joe: Yo Einstein! Have you ever been on a plane, there is a phone on the back of every seat there?
Fetzer: You think those hijackers were just going to let passengers make cell phones, or those.... those.... plane phones? You need a credit card (voice cracking) to do that! It is kind of (unintelligible)
Joe: (laughter)
I think that bit speaks for itself.
Now as we continue, we find out that Fetzer considers himself a combination between Socrates and Steven Seagal:
Fetzer: One thing I thought about these hijackers that is kind of bizarre. If I had encountered a bunch of hijackers with boxcutters, I would have taken my luggage and beat ‘em to death.
Joe: Well I guess Alan, I guess my aunt’s a lying... well you know.
Alan: Are you suggesting his uncle is probably alive somewhere?
Fetzer: No, I am not suggesting he is alive. I am saying he has no idea how exactly how he died. And look I had a friend…
Joe: I think he died in a plane crash!
Fetzer then goes off about a friend who investigates air crashes. There is no doubt the 9/11 "truth" movement is the best evidence against itself.
posted by James B. @ 12:37 PM
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12 Comments:
Next conspiracy theory:
Credit cards are too easy to get so it must be a way for the government to track your movements...
Like pennys are only in circulation so the government can get samples of your DNA.
Totally off topic, but the SLC myspace is so fun. It's like arguing with a bunch of nesnycs.
The OS'ers have no such delusion, thus raising the quetsion...will they ever move out of mom's basement?
Ad hominem! Excellent!
At least when I insult someone I destroy their points first, Mr. Oswald.
It's like arguing with a bunch of nesnycs.
Umm, yeah, that sounds, um, great, I'll get right over there.
Hey, those things cost like... $4.95 a minute. There had better be something really important going on before I am shelling out that kind of dough!
Jimmy Fetzer On...
- Making An Omlette:
But you need a frying pan to do that!!
- Taking A Shower:
But you need water pressure to do that!!
- Typing An Email:
But you need a keyboard to do that!!
- Being A Grade-A Bona Fide Asswipe:
But you need to accuse people's dead relatives of being in on the largest conspiracy man has ever seen to do that!!
Note: items in bold indicate voice cracking.
Joe absolutely schooled him.
No, you find something on Google and claim it to be factual and relevant, then you insult.
hahahahahahhahahah
Keep telling yourself I use Google. Maybe that's where you found out the US was the agressor in the Cold War?
There was no cold war.
Oh I guess the USSR built those missles just for fun then.
Fucking idiot. Next you'll say there wasn't a Korean War. Maybe no Vietnam? Soviet-Afghan War?
every call that could have been made by someone on those planes would have been investigated.
Why do you idiots keep pulling up this shit like a normal, sane human would think of it? People heard their family members on the plane. No sane person goes "hmmm maybe they used some software to somehow fake their calls in real time, let's investigate that".
Correct.
Someone points out how nonsensical your statements are and you say "correct"?
The buildup of arms (not to mention the Korean and Afghan and Arab-Israeli wars) is proof of a Cold War. Saying otherwise is foolish and ignorant.
Look, guys, I am happy to reject false ideas as quickly as you, but, respectfully, you have to put good ideas in their place, not ones that are equally questionable. I should tell you I DON'T like false claims by 9/11 conspiracy theorists because I believe 9/11 was an inside job on the evidence I've seen and I don't want to promote wrong ideas. So here's some more ideas, tell me where I'm wrong, not a lot of handwaving or put downs, please:
The Dewdney cellphone call experiment: yes, 75% success rate above 2,000 feet. No, 1% success rate (or thereabouts) above 8,000 feet.
Most of the reported calls were made from above 8,000 feet, some over 30,000 feet. The terrorist announced they were taking over Flight 93 at 9.32am and cell phone calls were placed shortly after from heights over 30,000 feet. Peter Hanson on Flight 175 called his father on what was reported to be his cell phone at 8.52am, one minute after the terrorists took over the plane. The plane was at a cruising altitude of 31,000 feet at that time.
And remember, a number of those callers specifically mentioned they were being made from cell phones (as opposed to back of the seat pay phones).
Only recently has technology been trialled to allow cell phone calls from commercial airplanes at high altitide
Here I am quoting from an article from Michael Chossudovsky:
Within days of the release of the 9/11 Commission Report in July, American Airlines and Qualcomm, proudly announced the development of a new wireless technology --which will at some future date allow airline passengers using their cell phones to contact family and friends from a commercial aircraft."
He goes on to quote Aviation Week (07/20/04):
"Qualcomm and American Airlines are exploring [July 2004] ways for passengers to use commercial cell phones inflight for air-to-ground communication. In a recent 2-hr. proof-of-concept flight, representatives from government and the media used commercial Code Division Multiple Access (CDMA) third-generation cell phones to place and receive calls and text messages from friends on the ground."
Recently[2006] there have been various media announcements about succesful trials of this technology and cell phone calls from height. They are usually withdrawn after a day or two because they attract so much flack. 9/11 critics point out the discrepancies arising from the official story.
People can argue the case about the heights at which the various plane phone calls were made, or they can argue about whether any cell phone calls were made at all. But the official account supports the claim that a number of cell phone calls were made above 8,000 feet with a next to zero probability of success and that the technology necessary to make such calls possible had yet to be invented.
You might be right about the cell phone calls. But you haven't made your case. Officially, impossible cell phone calls were made on 9/11.
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