Thursday, June 29, 2006

You Need a Credit Card to Do That!

As Pat pointed out, there is an abundance of material from the Alan Colmes' interview of Jim Fetzer, however, the rumors that we are starting up a sister site “Screw Jim Fetzer” are just premature speculation. Not that this would be a bad idea, but I don’t think the pun would work…

Regardless here is another example of the inanity, and utter disregard for truth in the 9/11 “truth” movement. They are insulting, arrogant, and even lie about their own assertions. From the 16:20 mark of the interview:

Alan: Joe in Seattle, hello.

Joe: Hi Alan, very good point by the way, I got two things I want to say. Number 1, you are now talking to someone that is directly involved in this big conspiracy. My uncle died in Pennsylvania, so I guess this guy figures my uncle is part of the conspiracy, my aunt…

Fetzer: (yelling) What do you know about what happened in Pennsylvania?! I am sorry your uncle is dead, but what do you know about what happened?

Joe: You’re not sorry. You’re an idiot. You’ve got no idea what is going on, you are making things up. You’re hypothesizing and it’s really great.

Fetzer: This is quite ridiculous. I’ll be glad to talk about Pennsylvania. I had residents call me, and tell me that they explained to the FBI that they heard explosions in the air before anything hit the ground and the FBI would not write it down. I have had other citizens there write me letters and tell me they were taking by officials to a search area far larger than the officially designated area and the sheriff told them that if they mentioned it to anyone the sheriff would deny it. I…

Joe: I could give you a list of all the names
(unintelligible interspersed talking)

OK, well all we have established here is that Fetzer is a jerk, who bases his theories on anonymous sources. But we already knew that, let's continue:

Alan: Alright, alright, Joe you’re claiming your uncle was on the plane and your uncle died on flight 93?

Joe: My uncle was on the plane, and was talking to my aunt during the hijacking.

Fetzer: Oh really!

Joe: I guess my uncle is a liar.

Fetzer: On a cell phone? That’s incredible because you can’t make those cell phones! We have a professor of computer science flying all over the country with different cell phones. He tries...

Joe: Oh God!

Fetzer: At altitudes above 2000 feet, at speeds above 230 it is almost impossible. It is almost impossible to make the connections. The relays…

The professor that Fetzer is talking about, A. K. Dewdney, did a study, which he elaborately called "Project Achilles" But it was not based upon "flying all over the country with different cellphones" It involved two Motorola cell phones flying around in a Cessna over London Ontario. Even then it was not "almost impossible" to make a call above 2000 feet, he noted a 75% success rate at 2000 feet. Maybe there is some other study he is talking about, if so it would be nice if he could share it with the rest of us.

But let's continue, here Joe from Seattle gets the Screw Loose Change award for "comeback of the day":

Joe: Yo Einstein! Have you ever been on a plane, there is a phone on the back of every seat there?

Fetzer: You think those hijackers were just going to let passengers make cell phones, or those.... those.... plane phones? You need a credit card (voice cracking) to do that! It is kind of (unintelligible)

Joe: (laughter)

I think that bit speaks for itself.

Now as we continue, we find out that Fetzer considers himself a combination between Socrates and Steven Seagal:

Fetzer: One thing I thought about these hijackers that is kind of bizarre. If I had encountered a bunch of hijackers with boxcutters, I would have taken my luggage and beat ‘em to death.

Joe: Well I guess Alan, I guess my aunt’s a lying... well you know.

Alan: Are you suggesting his uncle is probably alive somewhere?

Fetzer: No, I am not suggesting he is alive. I am saying he has no idea how exactly how he died. And look I had a friend…

Joe: I think he died in a plane crash!

Fetzer then goes off about a friend who investigates air crashes. There is no doubt the 9/11 "truth" movement is the best evidence against itself.

42 Comments:

At 29 June, 2006 13:10, Blogger Jujigatami said...

Next conspiracy theory:

Credit cards are too easy to get so it must be a way for the government to track your movements...

Like pennys are only in circulation so the government can get samples of your DNA.

 
At 29 June, 2006 13:11, Blogger shawn said...

Totally off topic, but the SLC myspace is so fun. It's like arguing with a bunch of nesnycs.

 
At 29 June, 2006 13:25, Blogger roger_sq said...

The tragedy of this blog, and others like it, is the CT'ers actually think they're trying to do something useful.

The OS'ers have no such delusion, thus raising the quetsion...will they ever move out of mom's basement?

 
At 29 June, 2006 13:44, Blogger shawn said...

The OS'ers have no such delusion, thus raising the quetsion...will they ever move out of mom's basement?

Ad hominem! Excellent!

At least when I insult someone I destroy their points first, Mr. Oswald.

 
At 29 June, 2006 13:48, Blogger Jujigatami said...

It's like arguing with a bunch of nesnycs.

Umm, yeah, that sounds, um, great, I'll get right over there.

 
At 29 June, 2006 13:52, Blogger apathoid said...

The OS'ers have no such delusion, thus raising the quetsion...will they ever move out of mom's basement?

uhhh, you could at least try to come up with something a little more original there, Skippy

 
At 29 June, 2006 13:54, Blogger CHF said...

C'mon people!

When was the last time any of you travelled with your credit card???

Seriously - are these CTers mentally ill?

 
At 29 June, 2006 13:57, Blogger James B. said...

Hey, those things cost like... $4.95 a minute. There had better be something really important going on before I am shelling out that kind of dough!

 
At 29 June, 2006 14:01, Blogger Chad said...

Jimmy Fetzer On...

- Making An Omlette:
But you need a frying pan to do that!!

- Taking A Shower:
But you need water pressure to do that!!

- Typing An Email:
But you need a keyboard to do that!!

- Being A Grade-A Bona Fide Asswipe:
But you need to accuse people's dead relatives of being in on the largest conspiracy man has ever seen to do that!!

Note: items in bold indicate voice cracking.

 
At 29 June, 2006 14:08, Blogger CHF said...

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At 29 June, 2006 14:10, Blogger shawn said...

Joe absolutely schooled him.

 
At 29 June, 2006 14:10, Blogger CHF said...

You know, I'm often angry after hearing CTers speak.

Their tone, their yelling, their arrogance, their disrespect...it's disgusting to say the least.

But this Fetzer punk?

He's AWSOME! He destroys the 9/11 Truthers all by himself. He buys into the weakest CT claims, sounds like a complete asshole, and has no fucking clue what he's talking about.

He's the poster boy for the whole movement!

 
At 29 June, 2006 14:15, Blogger apathoid said...

He's AWSOME! He destroys the 9/11 Truthers all by himself. He buys into the weakest CT claims, sounds like a complete asshole, and has no fucking clue what he's talking about.

He's the poster boy for the whole movement!


Any minute now Nessie will show up and claim that Fetzer is a JOO, a shill and a strawman being used to discredit the movement, just like "Charlie Sheen".

 
At 29 June, 2006 14:31, Blogger CHF said...

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At 29 June, 2006 14:33, Blogger CHF said...

"You think those hijackers were just going to let passengers make cell phones, or those.... those.... plane phones? You need a credit card (voice cracking) to do that!"

At this point I thought he was about to cry.

 
At 29 June, 2006 16:54, Blogger ScottSl said...

I agree, its not long until we see the implosion here.
Fetzer is CIA, blackops, paid off etc... LOL!!!

 
At 29 June, 2006 18:02, Blogger roger_sq said...

Ad hominem! Excellent!

At least when I insult someone I destroy their points first, Mr. Oswald.


No, you find something on Google and claim it to be factual and relevant, then you insult. Though sometimes you simply insult. I understand it's genetic inferiority, I am empathetic to your plight which is why I'm nice to you.

 
At 29 June, 2006 18:13, Blogger shawn said...

No, you find something on Google and claim it to be factual and relevant, then you insult.

hahahahahahhahahah

Keep telling yourself I use Google. Maybe that's where you found out the US was the agressor in the Cold War?

 
At 29 June, 2006 18:33, Blogger roger_sq said...

Maybe that's where you found out the US was the agressor in the Cold War?

I never said that.

There was no cold war.

 
At 29 June, 2006 18:33, Blogger CHF said...

"You Need a Credit Card to Do That!"

Every time I read that it gets funnier.

Gentlemen, I think we've found our "pull it."

 
At 29 June, 2006 19:02, Blogger shawn said...

There was no cold war.

Oh I guess the USSR built those missles just for fun then.

Fucking idiot. Next you'll say there wasn't a Korean War. Maybe no Vietnam? Soviet-Afghan War?

 
At 29 June, 2006 19:17, Blogger JoanBasil said...

We have been over this telephone calls thing how many times already? Why couldn't the 9/11 Commission have nailed down whether it was possible for that guy on Flight 93 to make a cell phone call from the lavatory? Why don't we have the records from the airphone calls? These things actually exist some place, don't they? How about the credit card statements for those calls? If the investigation was anything like thorough, every call that could have been made by someone on those planes would have been investigated. These events are important for history.

 
At 29 June, 2006 19:22, Blogger ScottSl said...

...there's also no proof that you need a credit card to dial zero for an operator.
http://www.s-t.com/daily/09-02/09-10-02/a02wn022.htm
The caller was Todd Beamer... "He told me that he had dialed zero to report his plane was being hijacked...", she said...

http://www.911myths.com/html/barbara_olson.html

 
At 29 June, 2006 19:29, Blogger shawn said...

every call that could have been made by someone on those planes would have been investigated.

Why do you idiots keep pulling up this shit like a normal, sane human would think of it? People heard their family members on the plane. No sane person goes "hmmm maybe they used some software to somehow fake their calls in real time, let's investigate that".

 
At 29 June, 2006 20:56, Blogger roger_sq said...

Oh I guess the USSR built those missles just for fun then.

Fucking idiot.


where are all those missiles now?

 
At 29 June, 2006 20:56, Blogger CHF said...

joan,

I've been on flights where I've heard cell phones ring several minutes after take off. Altitude at that point is, what? 4,000-5,000 feet?

If you were AT ALL serious about your investigations you'd fly over the path of Flight 93 diling a cell phone from various altitudes. Instead what do you CTers do? You rely on studies that explore whether cells work over other places, like London, Ontario.

I'm seeing a pattern with you guys, joan. You make claims and raise questions and then make NO EFFORT at answering them! Ditto for the "hijackers are still alive myth." Shouldn't one of you have tried to CONTACT the still alive hijackers? wouldn't blown the whole conspiracy wide open if you could produce a hijacker alive and well for the cameras. Yet instead of taking the next logic step you just spam the net with a BBC piece from Sept 2001.

As if that "proves" everything.

 
At 29 June, 2006 20:58, Blogger CHF said...

"where are all those missiles now?"

Ummm....in Russia I think. Some 8,000+ warheads, IIRC.

Why? Where do you think they are?

 
At 29 June, 2006 21:17, Blogger ScottSl said...

joan could also read the trial transcripts and find more of the information about the calls. Or file a FOIA.
But no instead lets keep the mystery going....and once you DO find it .....just claim its fake again.

 
At 29 June, 2006 22:38, Blogger roger_sq said...

Ummm....in Russia I think. Some 8,000+ warheads, IIRC.

Why? Where do you think they are?


I think they're in Russia!

 
At 29 June, 2006 23:44, Blogger default.xbe said...

I think they're in Russia!

so russias missiles are in russia.....and americas missiles are in america....but the cold war never happened?

 
At 30 June, 2006 05:16, Blogger CHF said...

"I think they're in Russia!"

OK.

So what was the point in asking where they are?

 
At 30 June, 2006 07:28, Blogger JoanBasil said...

chf,
You think I should be like that Republican in Congress who shot watermelons in his back yard to prove that Vince Foster's gunshot should have been heard in the Saudi embassy?????

No, I don't think I have to go out and fly in airplanes over Pennsylvania and then put the information on a sandwich board and walk around Times Square. I think that was the job of the 9/11 commission.

 
At 30 June, 2006 07:39, Blogger CHF said...

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At 30 June, 2006 07:40, Blogger CHF said...

joan,

are you interested in exposing the truth or not?

You think the 9/11 commission was a sham because it failed to investigate this and that...

Fine.

Your next step (assuming you believe your own bullshit) would be to PROVE WHAT YOU CLAIM and show HOW the official story is wrong!

Are you saying that it's the government's "job" to investigate your claims? The same government that you don't trust in the first place??? WHY???0

Could it be because this would allow you to continue to dismiss all research you don't like and continue to claim that "we don't know?"

The problem, joan, is that you CAN'T prove your claims! This explains your shocking refusal to do your own homework while at the same time dismissing any real studies that refute you.

 
At 30 June, 2006 07:56, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

More of that standard "Heads I win, tails you lose" logic from CTs:

1. If the government doesn't investigate something, it proves conspiracy.

2. If the government DOES investigate something and doesn't point to a conspiracy: It proves a conspiracy.

 
At 30 June, 2006 09:35, Blogger CHF said...

Exactly.

The CTers are afraid of investigating their own claims.

Deep down I'm sure most of them suspect something is wrong with their theories. I'm sure they really do find it troubling that NO structural engineers agree with them, regardless of how many time they say they don't care.

This is why they don't make the slighest effort to prove their own points. They're terrified of what they'll find and where that leaves them.

For example, imagine if they looked into the "hijhackers are alive" story and found them to be dead?

Real hijackers would derail that mindless shit about "remote controlled" planes and "faked" phone calls" and "passenger being offloaded in Cleveland."

And we don't want that to happen, do we?

 
At 30 June, 2006 18:02, Blogger roger_sq said...



so russias missiles are in russia.....and americas missiles are in america....but the cold war never happened?


Correct.

 
At 01 July, 2006 09:39, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

Well chf, back when I was 11 and 12 I believed nonsensical theories like these. I listened to Art Bell and read the New American(publication of the John Birch Society). I noticed a few years later that conspiracy theories cause a great deal of frustration. The whole time you are being told that the "truth" is obvious and irrefutable; yet for some reason no "justice" is done.

That's the problem with conspiracy theories; as they are non-falsifiable they can never be proven. After I reached my mid-teens and stopped believing in such nonsense, I still saw a lot of injustice in the world, but I learned to use critical thinking to seperate the real from the conspiracies. It is really a liberating feeling.

If puberty can cure belief in CTs, could it be that CT believers just have arrested development.

 
At 01 July, 2006 20:20, Blogger shawn said...

Correct.

Someone points out how nonsensical your statements are and you say "correct"?

The buildup of arms (not to mention the Korean and Afghan and Arab-Israeli wars) is proof of a Cold War. Saying otherwise is foolish and ignorant.

 
At 15 July, 2006 00:21, Blogger kenj said...

Look, guys, I am happy to reject false ideas as quickly as you, but, respectfully, you have to put good ideas in their place, not ones that are equally questionable. I should tell you I DON'T like false claims by 9/11 conspiracy theorists because I believe 9/11 was an inside job on the evidence I've seen and I don't want to promote wrong ideas. So here's some more ideas, tell me where I'm wrong, not a lot of handwaving or put downs, please:

The Dewdney cellphone call experiment: yes, 75% success rate above 2,000 feet. No, 1% success rate (or thereabouts) above 8,000 feet.

Most of the reported calls were made from above 8,000 feet, some over 30,000 feet. The terrorist announced they were taking over Flight 93 at 9.32am and cell phone calls were placed shortly after from heights over 30,000 feet. Peter Hanson on Flight 175 called his father on what was reported to be his cell phone at 8.52am, one minute after the terrorists took over the plane. The plane was at a cruising altitude of 31,000 feet at that time.

And remember, a number of those callers specifically mentioned they were being made from cell phones (as opposed to back of the seat pay phones).

Only recently has technology been trialled to allow cell phone calls from commercial airplanes at high altitide

Here I am quoting from an article from Michael Chossudovsky:

Within days of the release of the 9/11 Commission Report in July, American Airlines and Qualcomm, proudly announced the development of a new wireless technology --which will at some future date allow airline passengers using their cell phones to contact family and friends from a commercial aircraft."

He goes on to quote Aviation Week (07/20/04):

"Qualcomm and American Airlines are exploring [July 2004] ways for passengers to use commercial cell phones inflight for air-to-ground communication. In a recent 2-hr. proof-of-concept flight, representatives from government and the media used commercial Code Division Multiple Access (CDMA) third-generation cell phones to place and receive calls and text messages from friends on the ground."

Recently[2006] there have been various media announcements about succesful trials of this technology and cell phone calls from height. They are usually withdrawn after a day or two because they attract so much flack. 9/11 critics point out the discrepancies arising from the official story.

People can argue the case about the heights at which the various plane phone calls were made, or they can argue about whether any cell phone calls were made at all. But the official account supports the claim that a number of cell phone calls were made above 8,000 feet with a next to zero probability of success and that the technology necessary to make such calls possible had yet to be invented.

You might be right about the cell phone calls. But you haven't made your case. Officially, impossible cell phone calls were made on 9/11.

 
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