Wednesday, June 28, 2006

Moron Jim Fetzer

I'm working on doing a partial transcript of the Alan Colmes show last night with Jim Fetzer of the "Scholars" for 9-11 Truth. It appears to be a gold mine of CT nuttery. Here's a nice, obvious lie from Fetzer:

(3:25) Fetzer: We have found that the twin towers cannot have been brought down even by the combined impact of the aircraft and those fires. Those fires were really quite modest; turns out the steel that was used to construct those buildings was certified by Underwriters’ Laboratory up to 2000 degrees for six hours, the fires that were going on there were oxygen deprived as indicated by the billowing black clouds, Underwriters’ Laboratory estimated they averaged only about 500 degrees a temperature far too low to cause the steel to even weaken---(interrupted by Colmes)


Of course, Underwriters Laboratories did not certify any such thing.

But his allegations drew a sharp rebuke from UL, which said Ryan wrote the letter "without UL's knowledge or authorization." The company told The Tribune "there is no evidence" that any firm tested the materials used to build the towers.

"UL does not certify structural steel, such as the beams, columns and trusses used in World Trade Center," said Paul M. Baker, the company's spokesman.

Ryan was fired, Baker said, because he "expressed his own opinions as though they were institutional opinions and beliefs of UL."

"The contents of the argument itself are spurious at best, and frankly, they're just wrong," Baker said.

14 Comments:

At 28 June, 2006 13:40, Blogger Elloydo said...

I've just downloaded Loose Change and just had time for about ten minutes of it. I'll watch the rest tonight; it looks pretty interesting (and certainly intriguing when you consider there's a whole big debunking blog about it); in fact, I think I'll break out the big bag of Jiffy Pop later.

 
At 28 June, 2006 13:44, Blogger shawn said...

Viking, I was just perusing your blog, hilarious stuff.

 
At 28 June, 2006 15:14, Blogger Unknown said...

James,

Not so darn fast!

With respect to UL and what it did / does, and how that related to WTC fire resistance:

You quote:

UL does not certify structural steel, such as the beams, columns and trusses used in World Trade Center," said Paul M. Baker, the company's spokesman.

Let's look at the bigger picture and see how the quote extracted is only part of the story:

"Fireproofing Thickness Requirements and Measured Data

The thickness of fireproofing material necessary to achieve the required fire endurance was
being assessed in 1965, more than three years prior to the award of the fireproofing contract.
Correspondence stated that “the one-inch thick material meets the 3 hour requirements of both
the new code and Underwriter’s [Underwriters’ Laboratory Inc. (UL)].”27 "

You can find this quote from the following Source

And, granted Kevin Ryan's background and job position had nothing to do with it, Kevin comment about UL certification of fire resistance used in the WTC is not the lie you make it out to be.

 
At 28 June, 2006 15:18, Blogger shawn said...

Uh the entire argument is that UL had to do with the steel, not the fireproofing.

 
At 28 June, 2006 15:23, Blogger Unknown said...

Found this at Drudge report just now:

New Bin Laden Audio Tape...
...Tribute to Al-Zarqawi

Wow, that bin Laden, he just loves the spotlight..... He should be getting his hand prints in the Hollywood walk of fame by now with his bofo performances, shouldn't he?

Link

 
At 28 June, 2006 15:29, Blogger shawn said...

Whoamang the head of a terrorist organization making videos?! That's never happened before.

 
At 28 June, 2006 15:30, Blogger shawn said...

Next you'll tell me they'll videotape their attacks or beheadings.

 
At 28 June, 2006 15:34, Blogger Unknown said...

Shawn,

Sorry to spoil you day, but you are just wrong here (not the first time).

Here's a link to Ryan's letter

Here's the money quote:

"As I'm sure you know, the company I work for certified the steel components used in the construction of the WTC buildings. "

The truth of the statement that UL certified steel components used in the WTC is undisputable.

Shawn, not your fault. You just trusted James.

James, not your fault. You just trusted your trusty debunker.....

 
At 28 June, 2006 15:38, Blogger Unknown said...

Just realised I meant type

boffo (not bofo)

A.Word.A.Day--boffo
boffo (BOF-o) adjective

1. (Of a movie, play, or some other show) Extremely successful.

2. (Of a laugh) uproarious, hearty.

noun

1. A great success.

2. A hearty laugh.

3. A gag or punch-line that elicits uproarious laughter.

[Of uncertain origin. Probably a blend of box office or an alteration of buffo, bouffe, or boffola. The term was popularized by Variety, a magazine for the U.S. entertainment industry.]

"And until Apple records a boffo holiday season for the mini, it can't officially be called a runaway success." Alex Salkever; My Huge Mistake About the Mini; BusinessWeek (New York); Aug 19, 2004.

"His (Patrick Brown's) problem seems to me to be the demands of the production group of which he is a part and which requires a boffo hit every time in order to keep the auditorium packed ..." Norman Rae; Wheaties & Lilies & Severed P's; Jamaica Observer (Kingston, Jamaica); Aug 1, 2004.

 
At 28 June, 2006 15:48, Blogger shawn said...

Uh last I checked fireproofing isn't a component of steel. The entire argument (prior to you moving the goalposts) was that UL certified the steel in the WTC. The fireproofing doesn't matter, as it was blown off during the attack. Why would CTs even bring this up? They didn't.

And I've never been wrong, so your smarmy little comment is just idiocy.

 
At 28 June, 2006 15:49, Blogger shawn said...

And I didn't trust anyone, I read the CT claims, I read the letter, and I read about UL. Sorry I do my own research.

 
At 28 June, 2006 18:25, Blogger James B. said...

Shawn, not your fault. You just trusted James.

James, not your fault. You just trusted your trusty debunker.....


How did I get involved in this?

 
At 29 June, 2006 11:43, Blogger telescopemerc said...

UL does not certify steel to ASTM standards. Please stop talking about something you have no clue about.

Given how long UL takes to certify anything, a building that used only steel that UL certified would take 200 years to build.

 
At 11 June, 2007 12:36, Blogger David said...

On September 10, 2001 Donald Rumsfeld announced that 2 trillion dollars was "missing" from the defense department budget.

In other words, 2 trillion dollars just vanished.

On September 11, 2001 our national defense just vanished.

What is harder to believe-controlled demolition of the WTC....or two trillion dollars vanishing from the defense department?

I think they are both quite unbelievable. Donald Rumsfeld jsut stated that one was quit real. Why is the other beyond belief?

 

Post a Comment

<< Home