Friday, August 18, 2006

Is Uncle Fetzer an Anti-Semite?

This article comes with a yellow light, because it appears that the writer clearly blew his characterization of Steven Jones in the fourth paragraph; it's Uncle Fetzer who calls for armed insurrection, even a military coup.

But look what else he has to say about kindly Uncle Jim:

James Fetzer, a philosophy professor at the University of Minnesota who poses as a scientist, praised Venezuela President Hugo Chavez and promoted Chavez's proposal for an international criminal tribunal to put the Bush administration on trial. By e-mail, professor Fetzer accused me of being Jewish – sadly, I am not – because I disagree with his theories.


I have requested a copy of this email. We have chronicled the anti-Semitic tendencies of the 9-11 Denial Movement in the past but mostly with marginal figures like Rick Rajter and Eric Hufschmid. Fetzer, whom we have lampooned in the past as just another nutter, is a significantly more important figure.

20 Comments:

At 18 August, 2006 04:15, Blogger JoanBasil said...

"accused me of being Jewish" ????

What does that mean? You're not thinking that Fetzer wrote this guy, "I accuse you of being Jewish," are you?

The events of the last month: Israel destroys civilian infrastructure, kills a thousand people, makes over a million people homeless and even forces them to be refugees outside their own country and continues bombing them even as they are fleeing, and all this murder and mayhem is a response to the abduction of 3 soldiers (although its a known fact that Israel conducts abductions and even assassinations).

And the above is characterized by our entire government and our media as Israel "defending herself." Its Alice in Wonderland lunacy of such a high order. Why wouldn't a critical thinking person figure it in when the topic is 9/11 and terrorism? To wit: you may be dealing with someone who is beyond reason because of this Israel devotion business.

 
At 18 August, 2006 05:42, Blogger Thomas said...

To wit: you may be dealing with someone who is beyond reason because of this Israel devotion business.

If I understand you correctly it's ok to say "everything you say is crap, so I guess you must be a Jew"? And if I further understand this is what you define as 'critical thinking'?

Then again, I might not have understood your point, much like I didn't see any point in talking about the war in Lebanon here.

Speaking of which: 8 IDF soldiers were killed in the same raid that lead to the abductions. A fact that Israel-haters usually ommit.

 
At 18 August, 2006 06:22, Blogger Alex said...

And then there's all the attacks previous to that one. Ofcourse, years of bombings and kidnappings don't matter to our favourite anti-semites. To their simple minds, Israels reaction could only have been in response to one single event.

 
At 18 August, 2006 06:50, Blogger James B. said...

It wouldn't surprise me. When I e-mailed him he unleashed a string of invectives upon me and refused to answer any question.

He basically said that Michael Chertoff was unqualified for a government job because of the fact that his mother wmight be Israeli, as reported in a neo-Nazi newspaper. Those Jews are too powerful you know. We should ban them from government positions and put them into camps.

Oh wait, that has already been tried....

 
At 18 August, 2006 06:57, Blogger Pepik said...

Nasrallah quotes:

"if they [Jews] all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide"

"It is an open war until the elimination of Israel and until the death of the last Jew on earth

"There is no solution to the conflict in this region except with the disappearance of Israel."

"death to Israel"

"I am against any reconciliation with Israel. I do not even recognize the presence of a state that is called "Israel." I consider its presence both unjust and unlawful. That is why if Lebanon concludes a peace agreement with Israel and brings that accord to the Parliament our deputies will reject it; Hezbollah refuses any conciliation with Israel in principle."

Now what are those Israelis getting all worked up about?

 
At 18 August, 2006 08:12, Blogger shawn said...

(although its a known fact that Israel conducts abductions and even assassinations).

Uh huh...and?

And the above is characterized by our entire government and our media as Israel "defending herself." Its Alice in Wonderland lunacy of such a high order.

When you're abducting and assassinating terrorists and their leaders...it is defending yourself, idiot.

Check out Bob Dylan's song "Neighborhood Bully".

 
At 18 August, 2006 08:18, Blogger shawn said...

Joan, go live in a tiny country surrounded by hundreds of millions of people who want you dead just because of your religion. Oh, also your religious group has to have been the target of the largest state-run genocide in human history. Oh, you also have to be part of the most persecuted group in history.

I'll see how eager you are to let some barbarians capture three of your soldiers (equivalent to 86 American soldiers) after all that.

Never again doesn't mean "Oh we'll let them get away with this little bit."

 
At 18 August, 2006 12:46, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

And, in addition, I would add, that the reason civilian casualties were so high in Lebanon, is almost entirely due to the coward "soldiers" who hid in their houses, thinking it would protect them from the IDF.

How much respect can you have for a man who picks up a child and tries to back out the door using the child as a shield?

 
At 18 August, 2006 12:54, Blogger JoanBasil said...

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14308339/

The above is from Newsweek, a Rabbi Gellman complaining about Jews who didn't vote for Lieberman. They were supposed to vote for him just because "he's one of us" and because the Jews are a "tribe."

IOW, its part of the public discourse. Its the way a large percentage of Jews think, "Is it good for the Jews?" Thats just a fact.

 
At 18 August, 2006 12:58, Blogger Abby Scott said...

IOW, its part of the public discourse. Its the way a large percentage of Jews think, "Is it good for the Jews?" Thats just a fact.

A single rabbi does not a jewish population make.

Beliefs like the one above (Jews are only in it for the Jews) are exactly why Hitler got away with as much as he did.

 
At 18 August, 2006 13:11, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

"that the writer clearly blew his characterization of Steven Jones in the fourth paragraph; it's Uncle Fetzer who calls for armed insurrection, even a military coup."

I don't think he "blew" anything. Two chubby old white guys sitting next to eachother at a table spewing paranoid nonsensical gibberish and he accidentally quoted the wrong one.

It's a mistake anyone could make.

The fact reamins that Fetzer did say it and Jones, while appearantly playing the good cop, hasn't done anything to reign in or distance himself from his slightly loonier colleague.

 
At 18 August, 2006 13:32, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

oh, and you think that arabs would not vote for an arab candidate if that were the case. You think Italians would not vote for an Italian candidate, or Germans vote for a German candidate.

While I agree the rabbi comments were a little too over the top, the fact is that there is a tendency to vote for your own "kind" if you wish to call it that.

 
At 18 August, 2006 13:38, Blogger default.xbe said...

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14308339/

The above is from Newsweek, a Rabbi Gellman complaining about Jews who didn't vote for Lieberman. They were supposed to vote for him just because "he's one of us" and because the Jews are a "tribe."

IOW, its part of the public discourse. Its the way a large percentage of Jews think, "Is it good for the Jews?" Thats just a fact.


theres a guy who runs for mayor in my town every election, is platform is little more then "im black, so if your black you should vote for me" does this mean the blacks are trying to take over the world?

"the JEW is using the BLACK, AS MUSCLE! against YOU, the white man!" (i HATE illinois nazis)

 
At 18 August, 2006 14:07, Blogger JoanBasil said...

abby,
a lot of people on the internet say that the first one to bring up Hitler loses the argument and its a good point. IMO, analogyzing what someone says in a conversation on the internet to the horrors and tragedy of WWII trivializes the latter.

This Rabbi Gellman isn't just any Rabbi. Look at his bio; he's a bigshot media personality and Newsweek is the epitome of mainstream media. Its completely dishonest not to acknowledge the "our tribe" thinking of a large number of Jews and Gellman was voicing it.

Just so no one misses it, WorldNet did allow Prof. Fetzer to post a rebuttal and has acknowledged the numerous inaccuracies in the Moseley piece. Check www.911blogger.com and

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51579

 
At 18 August, 2006 14:38, Blogger CHF said...

There sure do seem to be a lot of Jew haters in the "Truther" ranks.

CTers don't believe in coincidences so what on earth could be the reason for that?

 
At 18 August, 2006 14:40, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

I just looked at fetzer's piece. Three things I notice right off:

1.) It's another truther copy-&-past spam post. 90% of it is pre-written talking points that fetzer himself probably didn't write, or wrote long agao and he just mindlessly spews it in response to everything.

2.) He doesn't deny calling for an armed insurrection.

3.) He confesses to accusing the author of the "Bush Bashers" of being jewish.

 
At 18 August, 2006 15:14, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

Found Fetzer's comments about armed revolution.

http://chronicle.com/free/v52/i42/42a01001.htm

On the second afternoon of the conference, Mr. Fetzer gave a speech in one of the hotel salons to a standing-room-only crowd. It began like an introductory lecture in moral philosophy he might have given at the University of Minnesota. He discussed different theories for the origins of right and wrong — moral egoism, utilitarianism, deontological moral rights. Then he came to the emergency.

"The threat we face," he said, is "imminent and ominous." He recommended arming the citizenry.

During the question-and-answer session, an audience member asked whether there might be a way to capture a TV station, to get the word out about September 11. Mr. Fetzer upped the ante on the idea.

"Let me tell you, for years, I've been waiting for there to be a military coup to depose these traitors," he said from the podium.

"Yeah!" shouted some men in the audience.

"There actually was one weekend," Mr. Fetzer went on, "where I said to myself, my God, it's going to happen this weekend, and I'm going to wake up and they will have taken these guys off in chains."

His voice was building. "Listen to me," he said. "The degree of perfidy involved here is so great, that in the time of Aeschylus, Sophocles, and Euripides, frenzied mobs would have dragged these men out of their beds in the middle of the night and ripped them to shreds!"

"Yeah!" cried a chorus of voices in the audience. "Yeah!"

Amid the cheers and applause that swept the room, there was Steven Jones, sitting quietly in a chair against the wall. He had one leg crossed over the other, and he was looking around at the cheering audience with a vaguely uncomfortable smile on his face, holding his foot in his hands.


Like I said... two cranky old white guys one slightly crazier than the others. An easy mistake anyone could make.

The fact remains that one of the co-chairs of 9-11 Scholars has called for the violent overthrow of a democratically elected government.

 
At 18 August, 2006 15:25, Blogger default.xbe said...

"Yeah!" cried a chorus of voices in the audience. "Yeah!"

SIEG HEIL! SEIG HEIL!

 
At 18 August, 2006 16:08, Blogger Manny said...

Like I said... two cranky old white guys one slightly crazier than the others. An easy mistake anyone could make.

Like I said... two cranky old white guys one of whom happened to be speaking slightly crazier than the others at that particular moment. An easy mistake anyone could make.

Fixed that for ya. ;)

 
At 18 August, 2006 17:50, Blogger shawn said...

We got this book about JFK edited by Fetzer in the other day.

I went and found it and put it on the returns shelf.

 

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