Friday, September 22, 2006

Another Good Article from the Left

Joanne Wypijewski, writing in Counterpunch:

Some of the black T-shirts told me they believed that if only Americans did the research there would be a mass uprising in this country and all the other things I was talking about would suddenly be on the table. But about a third of Americans already believes 9/11 was an inside job. I asked if they really thought "Do the Research" was a galvanizing slogan, to which I was corrected that the more popular slogan was "Ask Questions, Demand Answers". To which the neophyte might ask, What questions? And then be answered with a barrage of details about NORAD and the burning point of steel and what Larry Silverstein said about Building 7 and what a firefighter said he'd heard at what hour and how there'd been "repairmen" working on a World Trade Center elevator in the weeks or days before the attack. At this point the neophyte walks off, with literature and a DVD, never to be heard from again. One of the people in the black T-shirts agreed that it was a complex message to lay on people, but the fault lay, naturally, with the people. "It's not a sound bite, and people have been conditioned to hear only sound bites."


Highly recommended!

23 Comments:

At 22 September, 2006 19:16, Blogger zippychippy said...

It's inconceivable that five years after September 11 no one involved in the incineration of thousands of people would have regrets, second thoughts -- or even towering self-interest. Imagine the book deal, the movie deal waiting for that whistle blower.

I guess those check were really, really big!

 
At 22 September, 2006 20:11, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great article.

"...the more popular slogan was "Ask Questions, Demand Answers"

I think their slogan needs to be amended to "Ask Questions, Ignore Answers", though.

 
At 22 September, 2006 20:25, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

Amen

 
At 22 September, 2006 20:39, Blogger shawn said...

What is with all the sources that are so consistently wrong suddenly being right?

 
At 22 September, 2006 20:57, Blogger CHF said...

Not only are no conspirators coming forward, but not a single investigative journalist seems interested in winning the Pulitzer prize either.

 
At 22 September, 2006 21:09, Blogger James B. said...

Hell, not even Al Jazeera is interested in interviewing one of these hijackers who are supposedly alive on their news program.

 
At 22 September, 2006 21:14, Blogger shawn said...

Hell, not even Al Jazeera is interested in interviewing one of these hijackers who are supposedly alive on their news program.

But you forget, they're government shills. They're the ones who released the vide of bin Laden with the hijackers.

 
At 22 September, 2006 21:14, Blogger shawn said...

video, rather

 
At 22 September, 2006 21:19, Blogger Triterope said...

(from the article)
Some of the black T-shirts told me they believed that if only Americans did the research there would be a mass uprising in this country

Which once again illustrates the underlying hubris of the 9-11 conspiracy movement. Only they have done the research. Only they are smart and clever enough to understand. Only they are willing to face the truth. The other 99.99% of us are just a bunch of braindead mopes, because we couldn't possibly look at the same data and draw a different conclusion.

By the way, check out the book selections down the right column: The Case Against Israel, Grand Theft Pentagon, The Politics of Anti-Semitism, Five Unanswered Questions about 9-11, Neo-Conned, Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis, Bush in Babylon: The Re-Colonization of Iraq... and these people are DISAGREEING with the Loosers. If they can't convince this bunch to join their cause, who can they?

 
At 22 September, 2006 21:26, Blogger shawn said...

The Case Against Israel...The Politics of Anti-Semitism...Five Unanswered Questions about 9-11...Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis

That sounds like nessie's reading list.

 
At 22 September, 2006 21:27, Blogger shawn said...

Yeah, the best thing is Counterpunch is read by the same people who read Indymedia, AFP, etc - the same people who believe in this conspiracy nonsense.

 
At 22 September, 2006 21:36, Blogger telescopemerc said...

Only they are smart and clever enough to understand. Only they are willing to face the truth. The other 99.99% of us are just a bunch of braindead mopes, because we couldn't possibly look at the same data and draw a different conclusion.

Conspiracy Theories are the opiates of the self-impressed.

 
At 23 September, 2006 05:17, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

The REAL trouble with left-wing liberals...

Ted Rall just pissed me off. I saw his latest cartoon talking about Pat Tillman. He claims that "Bush covered up" the reality of Tillman's death. Well Bush DIDN'T coverup anything in regards to Pat Tillman's death. Bush did NOT get on a telephone and order Tillman's uniform to be burnt. In fact, be probably did not even know the incident was friendly fire any sooner than the rest of us did.

As if a man who will send thousands of young people to their death for no reason is going to care so much to monitor the life of just one of them.


Ted Rall has gone the way of Mike Malloy.

 
At 23 September, 2006 14:16, Blogger shawn said...

Ted Rall

The Ann Coulter of the Left.

 
At 23 September, 2006 14:16, Blogger shawn said...

Pat Tillman died in the war everyone pretty much agreed on, by the way.

 
At 23 September, 2006 21:30, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

Yeah...I know that Shawn, I'm from Phoenix. I'm just pointing out that despite the fact that I'm techincally left-wing by definition, I cannot stand these populist "progressives" who have no real plan or ideology and degenerate into mirror images of the right-wing pundits they decry.

 
At 23 September, 2006 21:34, Blogger JoanBasil said...

Yes, that paragraph zippychippy highlighted is amazing:

"It's inconceivable that five years after September 11 no one involved in the incineration of thousands of people would have regrets, second thoughts -- or even towering self-interest. Imagine the book deal, the movie deal waiting for that whistle blower."

What a moron. How about the death penalty or life in prison that would be waiting for that whistleblower? Or does Joanne think this person could cut a deal for no jail time? 11 out of 12 jurors wanted to give Moussaoui the death penalty and he had nothing to do with 9/11.

 
At 23 September, 2006 21:40, Blogger 911 Mysteries said...

"Imagine the book deal, the movie deal waiting for that whistle blower"

No actually, you would get fired, lose your health insurance and retirement, and maybe get sued or have a SWAT team visit you (EPA whistleblower, was visited by one)

on top of that media will not talk to you unless you can back up your claims (with documents, eg) and ieven if they do the story will get buries quickly (read able danger) and then dismissed by an official report (read able danger)

re, Able Danger, would 5 people risk their careers by telling lies? no, but the official report implies they did.

oh and did I forget, you will be called a whack, a CT, a moron, a douchebag and endless other names I don't care to mention.

 
At 24 September, 2006 11:40, Blogger Triterope said...

How about the death penalty or life in prison that would be waiting for that whistleblower?

You would get fired, lose your health insurance and retirement, and maybe get sued or have a SWAT team visit you


And yet Dylan Avery, Jim Fetzer, Steven Jones, Alex Jones, Bob Bowman, and countless other 9/11 Deniers still walk freely among us.

This is typical conspiracy thinking. You explain away holes in the conspiracy by inventing sanctions and assuming they can instantly and completely. silence an entire nation.

And yet, American journalistic history is filled with stories of reporters who risked their careers, lives, and freedom to defend their stories.

Right now, two reporters are facing jail time for refusing to reveal sources about a grand jury leak in the Barry Bonds case. And he's a frickin' baseball player, which is pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. And yet, you don't believe that ONE person with knowledge of an inside plot on 9/11 would dare come forward.

 
At 24 September, 2006 13:09, Blogger CHF said...

911 M,

name ONE 9/11 conspiracy junkie in jail.

Name ONE who has been killed by the government.

Name ONE who has had their house raided or their web site shut down.

The way you people invent threats against yourselves just speaks to how pathetic your paranoid fantasy world is.

 
At 25 September, 2006 19:16, Blogger JoanBasil said...

You guys don't understand the term "whistleblower." Dylan Avery is not a whistleblower and neither is James Fetzer. A whistleblower would be someone on the inside of the plot, someone with inside knowledge.

 
At 25 September, 2006 21:29, Blogger Alex said...

Ah, yes. And the reason there aren't any 9/11 whistleblowers is because all the insiders have been killed, right? How convinient.

 
At 26 September, 2006 11:38, Blogger Triterope said...

You guys don't understand the term "whistleblower."

I know what a whistleblower is, you sanctimonious puke.

But since you want to debate semantics, which word of "countless other 9/11 Deniers" did you fail to understand? I wrote that specifically to include people who were not mentioned by name, which would include your precious whistleblowers. This linguistic construct seems to have been understood by everyone else who read the post, as well as by 72% of third-graders.

But, hey, if it weren't for minor semantic nitpicking, you conspiracy clowns wouldn't have anything to say. So let's dangle participles together.

Because Lord knows you're not going to address the claim that the coverup bribes would have to have been gigantic. Or that the "alive" hijackers aren't turning up in Middle Eastern media or anywhere else that can be verified. Or the Pulitzer Prize motivation for exposing the story. Or the real-world examples of people who freely risked jail time or censure to expose stories of far less importance. Or the fact that groups who already sell "anti-Zionist" and "9/11 coverup" books aren't impressed by your arguments. Or the selfish, egocentric motivations 9/11 CTists betray at every turn, as neatly summarized in the "opiate of the self-impressed" line. All of which have been raised in the previous 22 comments.

 

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