Friday, September 15, 2006

Here's a Vain Hope

J.R. Dunn, writing in the American Thinker about Uncle Fetzer, points out the ridiculousness of his belief that the Pentagon was hit by a missile fired from an A-30 Skywarrior:

There’s no point asking the Scholars – they think the A-3 is still flying for the Navy. They also think that the A-3, nicknamed the “Whale”, nearly 80 feet long and with over 70 feet of wingspan, the largest aircraft ever deployed from a carrier and fully equivalent to a mid-size domestic airliner, was a “small plane.” (By the way, it was never fitted to fire missiles either.)

So where did it come from? Where, exactly, do you go to find a fifty-year-old, out-of-service military aircraft that’s in flying condition? And, in a country with thousands of active military planes available, why would anybody bother?


He makes a good point, but the notion that pointing this out to Fetzer would make him change his story, or come up with some implausible explanation, is unlikely. In fact, Fetzer would quickly move onto another point, and then, in the next conversation with the next reporter he'd mention the A-30 Skywarrior again. How many times has he claimed that the Cockpit Voice Recorder caught the passengers on Flight 93 plotting to use a drink cart as a battering ram? Surely by now somebody must have pointed him to the transcript of the CVR, which contains no such discussion.

20 Comments:

At 15 September, 2006 17:38, Blogger nesNYC said...

I don't see the point in quibbling over these little details when some BIG AND REAL unanswered questions remain. Why don't he 'debunkers' every try and tackle those instead of messing with Fetzer?

 
At 15 September, 2006 18:11, Blogger default.xbe said...

last week fetzer was the "real" truth movement

next week we'll debunk press for truth and youll link to the next flavor of the month claiming we are avoiding the issues

 
At 15 September, 2006 18:22, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

Very well put default!!
No matter what you say Nesnyc will say you are trying to avoid the truth.

 
At 15 September, 2006 18:23, Blogger shawn said...

All's I've seen so far in it is appeal to emotion by showing the victim's loved ones talking about how it should've been prevented.

(The video also says they got warnings of al-Qaeda hijackings a month before 9/11, as if they didn't get these warnings all the time.)

 
At 15 September, 2006 18:35, Blogger apathoid said...

...when some BIG AND REAL(link to "Press For Truth") unanswered questions..

So you're a LIHOPer now Nessie? Al Queda actually exists now?

 
At 15 September, 2006 19:06, Blogger nesNYC said...

So you're a LIHOPer now Nessie?

Not exactly. "Al Qaeda" is simply a heroine smuggling operation (that's not even their name, it was given to them by the Americans).

Osama was a drug smuggler and coordinated the shipment of drugs via the Venice flight schools which Atta was a part of. However, there is no direct connection between Osama and Atta. Atta's connections happen through Pakistani intelligence.

So here we have Atta and his crew in flight schools flying planes around and smuggling drugs into southern Florida. That was their true intention and what they were getting paid to do. The money transfer to Atta was probably for another "mission" he was to undertake and why he is photographed at the ATM that day and not the airports.

The government absolutely leads us to believe the LIHOP scenario however, that was just a cover. It's not really clear if Atta and Co. actually boarded the planes or what ever really became of them. But we know for a fact that they didn't have the sophistication to 'confuse' NORAD with all the drills going on that day.

Osama therefore is not implicated and neither are the 'hijackers'. The building demolitions, the NORAD stand down and the ensuing cover up of the facts have absolutely nothing to do with Al Qaeda and points the finger of guilt squarely on the shoulders of OSP, PNAC and Dov Zakheim.

LIHOP = let the drug operation cover as the 'hijacker' operation

MIHOP = OSP, PNAC and Dov Zakheim

 
At 15 September, 2006 19:09, Blogger nesNYC said...

next week we'll debunk press for truth

Like I said, go ahead, 'debunk' it and see where you end up.

 
At 15 September, 2006 19:26, Blogger James B. said...

You have a very vivid imagination.

 
At 15 September, 2006 19:40, Blogger shawn said...

(that's not even their name, it was given to them by the Americans).

World Islamic Front for Jihad Against the Jews and Crusaders.

Although it wasn't given to them by Americans, we get it from their own documents.

 
At 15 September, 2006 19:40, Blogger shawn said...

It's not really clear if Atta and Co. actually boarded the planes or what ever really became of them

Yes it is clear.

Unless they teleported to another dimension.

 
At 15 September, 2006 20:01, Blogger AbrashTX said...

Once again, I'm reminded of how closely Fetzer's behavior tracks with the behavior of the creationist Henry Morris. If someone points out your factual errors--ignore them!

 
At 15 September, 2006 20:21, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

I don't see the point in quibbling over these little details when some BIG AND REAL unanswered questions remain. Why don't he 'debunkers' every try and tackle those instead of messing with Fetzer?

You don't see the point, because we have so thoroughly debunked the issues, that you have given up on them...which is good. Be patient. Soon enough your current issues will be beaten back as well...

TAM

 
At 15 September, 2006 21:37, Blogger nesNYC said...

You have a very vivid imagination.

Cavemen standing down NORAD is a very vivid imagination.

 
At 15 September, 2006 21:39, Blogger nesNYC said...

Although it wasn't given to them by Americans, we get it from their own documents.

"Al Qaeda" or The Database is no "Jihadist" movement. "Their" documents, being they are a CIA front, would be authentic to you.

 
At 15 September, 2006 21:44, Blogger nesNYC said...

Yes it is clear.

Unless they teleported to another dimension.


Where's the videotape? And why did Atta's father says he spoke to his son on the 9/12? The only thing for another dimension is the story he piloted any plane.

 
At 16 September, 2006 04:23, Blogger Rob said...

So here we have Atta and his crew in flight schools flying planes around and smuggling drugs into southern Florida.

But I thought Atta and the others were hopelessly incompetent pilots who couldn't even take off in a Cessna. So how are they flying planeloads of drugs into Florida?

 
At 16 September, 2006 10:04, Blogger shawn said...

Where's the videotape?

Ok by your logic, most people who say they have flown have not, as there are not video cameras trained on gate entrances.

 
At 16 September, 2006 11:20, Blogger Yatesey said...

Where's the videotape? And why did Atta's father says he spoke to his son on the 9/12? The only thing for another dimension is the story he piloted any plane.

nesnyc, little tip, read the whole article before you send it. Even the writer says that the interview paints the portrait of a tortured man who hasn't come to terms with his son't death or his horrible crime. I didn't quote because I wasn't sure if I had it verbatim, and I didn't want to fall into the trap of misquoting like you and your pals do 100% of the time.

 
At 16 September, 2006 11:27, Blogger Safe-Keeper said...

But I thought Atta and the others were hopelessly incompetent pilots who couldn't even take off in a Cessna. So how are they flying planeloads of drugs into Florida?
Thank you, Loose Change.

Watch Screw Loose Change - Not Freakin' Again Edition. They could fly, mate.

 
At 17 September, 2006 04:08, Blogger Rob said...

So where did [the A3] come from?

This was revealed in the classic Jim Fetzer interview with Tim White on June 14th 2006 where White reveals the A3 was owned by Raytheon and modified at Ft Collins airport near Denver. 48 minutes into the 1st hour White further reveals that the only person who could have done the modification to 2 A3s (the primary and a backup) is Darrell Skurich - a "long time spook pilot" who runs a company called Vintage Aircraft which rebuilds WW2 fighters.

This all supposedly comes from deeply classified information which a CIA hit-man told to the the guy who was fitting his kitchen cabinets. Fetzer believes it all. In the 2nd hour of the interview things get highly surreal as people phone in to say the government's trying to jam the broadcast and other wild claims are made, such as White mentioning that some of his information is coming from 'remote viewers' (35 minutes in) and that Skurich has tried to kill him (47 minutes in).

 

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