Tuesday, September 26, 2006

Should We Apologize to Lauro Chavez?

I mean, man, I'm just thinkin' that maybe this dude is tellin' the truth, man, because he sounds so authentic military, man:

And I worked right for General Franks, I don’t know if you’re familiar with who Tommy Franks was? He was - I was the only individual allowed to work on his personal communications at his home and in his plane and I’d ask, General Franks, a few times, ya know, when I was over his house, and um, like, ya know: "Sir, what a ya think about all this"? And he’s well, he’s like, ya know, "Just" ... He’s like, ya know, "There are some things that need... that just happen and they need to happen and we don’t know why they happen but..." He gave this really, like, ominous answer and I’m like, Whoa man! Ya know, I wasn’t expecting that.


Totally, dude!

28 Comments:

At 27 September, 2006 00:19, Blogger Simmo said...

In the Alex Jones interview he says he helped General Franks with his home PC & set him up on Ebay selling pottery.

 
At 27 September, 2006 00:34, Blogger Richard said...

This guy is so full of it. I can't make it any more simple. He seems like some dirtbag tech guy who has beef with the government. Every unit has that one guy....

 
At 27 September, 2006 00:38, Blogger apathoid said...

Where's that damn laughing dog smilie when you need it....

 
At 27 September, 2006 00:54, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

HE ACTUALLY SAID THAT?!?!

Ok... I'm calling this one. Lauro is obviously a sane person having one over on the troofers.

We need to invite him over here for the heros welcome he deserves.

Or... (covering my ass just a little) he might be just an exceptionally mentally deficient attemntion whore.

 
At 27 September, 2006 02:11, Blogger Simmo said...

http://www.prisonplanet.tv/26_09_06_podcast.mp3
At 7:10

Chavez: I've got letters of recommendation from General Franks. I've got coins from General Franks. I helped setup General Franks on his Ebay account to sell pottery.

 
At 27 September, 2006 04:03, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

Would you really want to BRAG about having so many commendations from Tommy Franks?

 
At 27 September, 2006 05:56, Blogger CHF said...

Sword of truth...

I agree.

This guy's gotta be joking. In fact I think he might be avery_dylan.

Hay man, he, like, sounds as if he's, you know, making fun of the twoofers.

 
At 27 September, 2006 06:58, Blogger JoanBasil said...

Haven't read all your posts on Lauro Chavez but if what you're saying is that you don't think he was really in the military or if he was in the military you think what he's saying about his service is untrue, well, then he's just one person saying something untrue, no?

You damage your credibility doing a lot of posts on one person that you think is a fraud, even farcically a fraud. It looks like diversion and evasion. Its a worldwide movement against our government's official version of 9/11 and you're focused on Lauro Chavez.

Why were the Bukharis targeted as suspects in 9/11? One of them was already dead on 9/11 and the other is still alive but they were fingered as having rented one of those cars in Boston and there were news reports that they were on the passenger lists. Look it up in Wikipedia. The ONLY way the FBI had those names is that someone was collecting Arab identities.

Thats a much more important piece of the puzzle than Lauro Chavez.

Not related to this but I just heard a caller on C-SPAN use a great quote relative to this detainee issue and want to pass it along:

"If you just ignore your freedoms, they'll go away."

 
At 27 September, 2006 07:09, Blogger Cassiopeia said...

Way to change the subject, Joan. I've noticed that it's a pretty common tactic: you've got an outright fraud like Chavez making a total arse of himself, you can't defend him so you change the subject.
Chavez is spouting BS in public, he has earned the right to be called out on it.
'Worldwide movement'? Please. Let's see where your fantasy club is in ten years. Still desperately giving air time to liars like Chavez and waiting for the revolution to come. Don't hold your breath.

 
At 27 September, 2006 07:37, Blogger James B. said...

Uhh Joan, is there anyone in the "truth" movement we are allowed to talk about? If we talk about Dylan Avery, you say we are just focusing on him, Steven Jones, ditto, Lauro Chavez, yup him too. Apparently there is some mythical truther out there who really has the answers.

 
At 27 September, 2006 07:56, Blogger Manny said...

You damage your credibility doing a lot of posts on one person that you think is a fraud, even farcically a fraud.

Well, here's the thing. Literally every single claim of the 9-11 denier movement, without exception, has already thoroughly been debunked. There's only so many times one can mock the "speed of gravity" lie.

The reason Sgt. Chavez is getting it is because he's new, and because he's getting a lot of attention in denier land. Jones, etc. are dragging this guy out and saying, "Aha! Here's an insider to support our previously debunked claims." Except that he's clearly not, any more than Morgan Reynolds was, or Jesse McGrath was for the anti-war movement.

Don't worry. Next week the deniers will come across another mentally ill lying sack of dog doo, and he or she will be exposed in turn.

 
At 27 September, 2006 08:22, Blogger James B. said...

LOL I posted a debunking over at 911 Blogger (sorry, I just couldn't watch this train wreck anymore) and now they have referred to me as a "true truther" and "anonymous god like person" and are accusing Alex Jones of being a government shill.

These guys are too much.

 
At 27 September, 2006 09:31, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

Uhh Joan, is there anyone in the "truth" movement we are allowed to talk about?

Joan MUST be hitting the crack pipe several time a day.

 
At 27 September, 2006 09:41, Blogger Alex said...

Why were the Bukharis targeted as suspects in 9/11? One of them was already dead on 9/11 and the other is still alive but they were fingered as having rented one of those cars in Boston and there were news reports that they were on the passenger lists.

This is exactly why we're "doing a lot of posts on one person we think is a fraud". Because we have nothing else to work with any more! Idiots like you keep asking the same question over and over again (see above) no matter how many times we answer it. At least if you were half-way sane and intelligent enough to come up with new material, we might have something to work with.

 
At 27 September, 2006 09:45, Blogger Pepik said...

Chavez is not interesting. The Truthers willingness to believe and defend him is interesting.

 
At 27 September, 2006 10:24, Blogger CHF said...

Joan,

Please explain how OUR credibility is damaged by us exposing your endless parade of frauds and kooks.

 
At 27 September, 2006 11:13, Blogger JoanBasil said...

chf said:
Joan,

Please explain how OUR credibility is damaged by us exposing your endless parade of frauds and kooks.

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Theres a plethora of venues for people to come forward and say whatever they want nowadays. Of course, the internet but theres even how many radio shows? And radio shows are just entertainment. The best Rush Limbaugh quote ever was his admission that he was "just trying to find an audience and keep it."

Anyone can call a radio show or post something here or there and maybe someone else will use it. Did you pick up that during the Lieberman/Lamont primary in CT, Lanny Davis (Clinton's former spokesman) wrote a column in the WALL STREET JOURNAL! using anonymous internet comment posts to say that supporters of the other candidate were bad people. The Wall Street Journal ran a column based on anonymous comments like we do here. Mindboggling.

So, you lose credibility if you're not willing to sort the wheat from the chaff a little and not stick on analyzing the words and writings of someone like Lauro Chavez.

Wheres the answer about the Bukharis? Thats a lot more important than Lauro Chavez. How did their names get into the mix and make them suspects other than that someone was collecting Arab identities?

 
At 27 September, 2006 11:30, Blogger Pepik said...

How are we to know who are the real conspiracy theorists and who are the clowns? You debunk one, and the other says "you should be debunking me" and vice versa.

And by the way, are you the "i can dream up obscure questions about anomolies in random things about 9.11, and therefore it was a conspiracy" movement or the "i can prove it was a conspiracy" movement?

 
At 27 September, 2006 11:51, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

Joan;

since when are you worried about what we waste our time on. In a sense, as a "truther" it should please you to know end that all of us are spending so much time on him...it means we aren't busy debunking the other crap the Troofers are spueing.

No, I think you are concerned, because like alot of your truthmates, you think this guy is the "Biggie" the living smoking gun, and if we prove him a fraud, it is a big hit.

Look at all the time and effort all the other Troofers have spent on him
Alex Jones has interviewed him 2 times in 2 days for god sake.

TAM

 
At 27 September, 2006 12:04, Blogger Abby Scott said...

James, you god-like, true truther.

Teehee!

 
At 27 September, 2006 12:36, Blogger Triterope said...

None of this matters. Lauro Chavez is just another distractor the 9/11 Deniers can puke up whenever they're losing a debate.

Since the Deniers can't tackle any topic directly, they've developed a large rotation of items they can change the subject to. The idea is to compile enough items that no one will notice that previously answered questions are being re-raised as new.

Joanie Basil has been kind enough to provide an example of this tactic in this very thread. Here we are discussing Lauro Chavez, a current event in the 9/11 conspiracy world, and all of a sudden she demands answers regarding the tremendously important issue of the Bukharis. Who?

Of course, if this thread were originally about the Bukharis, she'd be insisting that they're not important, and demanding we explain away William Rodriguez. And if it were about Rodriguez... well, you get the idea.

The only question -- and I think it's an interesting one -- is how long do the Deniers have to wait before Lauro Chavez becomes yet another unanswered question of 9/11? How long before they can say, "what about Lauro Chavez" and send debunkers scurrying? How long before the Internet collectively forgets that Chavez's alleged military record was full of discrepancies, forcing the point to be conceded or researched anew?

I give it three months. I bet by the end of the year, Lauro Chavez will have turned up in some "46,279 unanswered questions about 9/11" document.

 
At 27 September, 2006 14:38, Blogger zippychippy said...

This post explains alot. I bought pottery from General Franks on ebay and never received it! Now I know who to blame....

 
At 27 September, 2006 16:22, Blogger ScottSl said...

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At 27 September, 2006 16:24, Blogger ScottSl said...

I guess Chavez was fired now...
http://www.911blogger.com/node/3221
Boo hoo.....
It says
"Thanks to Nila Sagadevan for the heads up."

Another phony who wrote BS about Ground Effect.

 
At 27 September, 2006 22:08, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

So, you lose credibility if you're not willing to sort the wheat from the chaff a little and not stick on analyzing the words and writings of someone like Lauro Chavez.

I would be willing to sort the "fruit" from the "loop" with Lauro!

 
At 28 September, 2006 06:36, Blogger apathoid said...

Another phony who wrote BS about Ground Effect.

Indeed a phony. He has been living in the US for 30 years and is NOT in the FAAs airman certificate database. I pointed this out to the Loosers several months ago. Probably the reason johndoex (an "airline pilot" moderator there) wont reveal his identity.

 
At 07 October, 2006 20:22, Blogger freedomflight said...

I want to just say that I am a close personal friend of Lauro's and he is for real. He served his country honorably and now he is under fire. As a result of him coming forward with his knowledge he is now out of work.Anyway I just had to say my piece.

 
At 22 October, 2006 10:40, Blogger truth be told said...

I know Lauro, if you want to "look him up" His real name was Larry Johnson Chavez. He just had it legally changed a year or so ago. Not sticking up for him, just giving you a new piece of info to use. And maybe ask him why he was "demoted" when he was in the military. I'm pretty sure he lost a pay-grade at some point in his "honorable" career in the military.

 

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