Everything You Always Wanted to Know About The Pentagon Strike
9-11 Debunker has completed the analysis of the Pentagon attack. This is the most complete and up-to-date analysis of the Pentagon strike I've seen, even better than the famed Catherder post over at ATS.
posted by Pat @ 10:08 AM
29 comments
29 Comments:
Does anyone care to explain why the Pentagon, nor other Govt. agencies, seem to have video they would like to release to the public that clearly shows the plane?
It's a small point. I don't based any conclusions on the lack of video.
I simply find it odd and worthy of watching.
1. The video's that have been released do not show clearly what hit the Pentagon.
2. Judicial Watch has filed numerous FOIA's. 84 other tapes have yet to be released.
3. The biggest problem with the author's post this time is not accurate.
I want to know why the Flight Data Recorder does not match the flight path. See http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/
This would be the tell tale evidence to shore up any questions, but it does the exact opposite.
In order for the FDR/Flight Path to match up, the light poles had to be 440 feet tall (+/- 75 feet) for this aircraft to bring them down. I think we can all agree the poles were not that tall, which begs the question, what happened to the light poles? And your Debunking Guide fails to address this issue.
4. Or it could be because of the lack of honesty this government has shown its citizens over the past several decades.
chf,
Here's your answer (just one):
PDF: 9-11 and the IMPOSSIBLE
1. How do you know pilotsfor911truth are not in err with their calculations?
2. 84 tapes have not been released. The FBI agent in charge responded to the FOIA which asked for, specifically, any tapes that would show AA77 striking the Pentagon on September 11th (or something very close to that effect). The FBI agent replied that she had reviewed the tapes, and only 13 of them even covered the area in question. Of those, only one tape revealed any images that might show AA77 hitting the Pentagon, and that was the one previously released.
Go to the site
http://www.flight77.info/
Go to the all documents section and read the documents sent to them from the FBI agent in charge, and read what she says. She xplains it quite logically for me. Based on the FOIA request sent, she had the relevent info sent to them.
TAM
TAM,
I acknowledge your points.
Thanks for debating the issue rather than attacking me.
Hey Mac!
1.Do I know for sure they are done without error? Yep. Both sets of data are from the federal government. Is the data wrong? I can't answer that question. It is what the government has released.
You could do the analysis as well because you are an intelligent person. It isn't that difficult to determine the altitude and other various factors of the FDR and match it to the official flight path.
2. The point still stands MAC that 84 give or take a couple haven't been released. As part of the historical record, they should ALL be released for historical and avionic analysis. I would enjoy seeing post impact videos of the event as well as those that don't show the actual impact.
3. I'm sure he claimed that because of the errors with the FDR and the flight path. If the FDR doesn't match the flight path, then something strange is afoot at the circle K.
4. Hey Troy, are you a pilot?
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1
http://debris.0catch.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8&mode=related&search=
This cracks me up. Apparently witnesses hearing explosives proves demolitions (like fires aren't noisy on their own) but when hundreds of witnesses say they saw a 767 hit the Pentagon (hardly an event open to subtlety or interpretation) we have to completely ignore them. The number of people who have reported a UAV, missile, A-3 Skywarrior, fly-over, or any other alternative theory, ZERO. Yet they grasp onto that theory as the likely one.
Bizarre.
James, 100's of witnesses? Wasn't it around 80 or so? Which is it according to your debunking site?
So if we ignore those that see something other than the OS, we throw those out as well? Based upon that logic, shouldn't we throw out all of the eyewitness surrounding the Pentagon crash?
Is it unreasonable to ask for the FAA and the Military to release the radar data in regards to the Pentagon?
Oh and lets not compare the two events to justify your reasoning. You of all people know you can't compare the two to support your statements. Complex question fallacy I believe.
The point is if all of the eyewitnesses described the plane as such, if all of the data matched, if all of the video was conclusive, and if the track record of the Federal Government wasn't littered with lies, we wouldn't have an issue with the Pentagon now would we?
ROFL!
I just watched that file you linked to BG and the picture where u see a clock that says 9:31 instead of 9:38 is just hilarious :D
Yeh thats some real proof that the government is lying, because we have a damaged clock that says 9:31 instead of the official time of 9:38! CONSPIRACY!
James, 100's of witnesses? Wasn't it around 80 or so? Which is it according to your debunking site?
80 or so in the media. Do you think every single person who saw a 767 managed to get interviewed on CNN? Was there any marginal value for the media to keep on reporting people saying the exact same thing?
CHF said,
The Pentagon crime scene is one of my weakest areas. I would appreciate it if you would turn your volume down a notch.
There has been what I consider "disinfo" about what hit the Pentagon, and I'd rather steer clear.
I'm not attempting to solve the crimes of 9/11. Never said I was. I would appreciate it if you'd give me a break. Yes, I'm aggressive in calling some of what shows up on "SLC" as bullshit. Does that mean I have the knowledge of what really happened?
That's the problem: we don't know because we haven't had the luxury of a real investigation.
Also nice to see he recreated the pentagon from old shoe boxes :D
On page 36 he shows 2 combuster sections, 2 bad he mislabeled them, because the one on the left is from a RR engine and the one on the right is from a GE engine.
Jay said...
Also nice to see he recreated the pentagon from old shoe boxes :D
On page 36 he shows 2 combuster sections, 2 bad he mislabeled them, because the one on the left is from a RR engine and the one on the right is from a GE engine.
Wow, Jay, now that you've pointed out that error, my whole doubt about whether we've been told the truth about 9/11 has dissolved.
Yes, I'm aggressive in calling some of what shows up on "SLC" as bullshit.
Actually you aren't. I have asked you dozens of times to point out specifically what we are posting that is factually incorrect and/or misleading, and you never respond. You always just go off some tangent and tell us to read some book or watch some video.
Oops, i just blundered there :D the right one actuially is a RR engine, i dunno where he got the left picture from. I thought he used that same picture from Loose Change. So i apologize for my fault. Maybe i should turn in, cause its getting late over here.
There has been what I consider "disinfo" about what hit the Pentagon
In other words, the fucking CTers have been tossing around so many lies and idiotic theories, that BG can't commit to talking about any of them because even he realizes that his movement is full of shit.
I'm not attempting to solve the crimes of 9/11. Never said I was. I would appreciate it if you'd give me a break.
Fuck you. You're on here 24/7 hammering away with clueless "questions", lies, and spam to idiotic books and articles, and now you want us to give you a break? Not bloody likely. If you really want a break you need to shut your gormless gob, get off the computer, and stop spreading your disinfo. You do that, you won't have any problems with us ever again.
Does that mean I have the knowledge of what really happened?
You've answered that question over and over again, but I think it should come as a disclaimer on every post you make:
"WARNING: The following message is BG's clueless opinion, and has no factual backing whatsoever."
That's the problem: we don't know because we haven't had the luxury of a real investigation.
Ofcourse we didn't, JFK boy. Don't worry, the Roswell aliens will come and take you away to Jupiter soon.
Hey, Bg doesn't have much to say about Fetzer's brilliant performance in his debate with J.R. Dunn (see americanthinker.com; search for J.R. Dunn--you'll see the three relevant articles). Fetzer really knows what he's talking about, yesirree! Yup, that was an A-3 all right.
Question: how can a discredited crackpot like Fetzer continue to show his face in public?
Bg displays his characteristic love of learning in his profound commentary on this technical paper by an Italian pilot. Oh, I'm sorry--Bg never bothered to read it. Well, the rationalists have only cited it a few dozen times.
http://911myths.com/Another_Expert.pdf
Don't forget to tell those "new" investigators that if they refuse to confirm that explosives were used in bringing down the WTC, despite the total absence of any evidence of their use, we'll just demand still another investigation.
We are the tinfoil-hat brigade.
We demand answers.
When we don't get the answers we demand--
WE DEMAND DIFFERENT ANSWERS!
Swing:
I wouldnt attempt to analyze it. You see one of our group, apathoid, actually analyzes and works with FDR and other similar instruments...that is his job. Now from what he has said, it is not as simple as just reading the data, because the data provided may not accurately reflect the original data from the FDR. I am not sure of the exacts, and it actually went above my head, but from what they said, it has to do with time intervals within successive frames of the original data.
If apathoid were here, he could explain, or if you are interested, g to JREF, where he hangs out more often, and ask him about the FDR data, and the errors that the Pilots might not be noticing when they did their analysis.
TAM
BG's statements are getting weaker and weaker. Perhaps we are getting to him?
I would appreciate it if you'd give me a break. Yes, I'm aggressive in calling some of what shows up on "SLC" as bullshit.
There seems to be a 2-for-1 sale on Standards in BG's world...
James I just posted some of your BS. I've pointed out the Atta/Keller relationship that did exist which this site continues to push there was no relationship issue..which is bullshit.
Again people on this site will state: NO EVIDENCE OF CD! However firefighters, rescue workers, citizens at the WTC complex report explosions going off, steel flowing like lava, etc, etc. Yeah proof there that something other than jets and fuel brought 'em down. Must have been a massive storage unit for hair spray canisters. Simple logic right Pomeroo? Or are you still denying the WTC7 CD?
James, in regards to the witnesses of course that was your opinion with no factual base which is of course bullshit. Remember James, we only know what the mainstream tells us.
acmefoilco Sure I have shame!
However, my mind is perfectly fine.
But in regards to this entire event, the track record of our own government with regards to items like this and particularly this administration, I don't trust 'em that is all. How far back in our own history do I have to go to list the numerous cover-ups, conspiracies, false-flag operations, state-sponsored terror operations, etc. As a (former?) soldier you have been conditioned to think in a particular way and for a particular reason. I don't hold that against you. You chose to become that way. Calling someone sick and shamefull is simply a reflection of such conditioning. I forgive you. What I find disconcerting is the blind acceptance of the what the Federal Government and its agencies say is truth. You on the other hand have been conditioned to accept it as fact.
The point remains if there were no conflicting evidence, if there were no question as to what hit the Pentagon on the video tapes, if all of the evidence was released to the public, if this administration and those like didn't spout continous lies there would be no need to investigate conspiracies of this nature and it would be a case closed issue.
I think you will find a excellent idea on how this operation was pulled off at http://team8plus.org/news.php
Again people on this site will state: NO EVIDENCE OF CD! However firefighters, rescue workers, citizens at the WTC complex report explosions going off, steel flowing like lava, etc, etc.
None of which are evidence of a controlled demolition. So what th hell is your point? Are you that deficient in logic? Here, I'll make an argument similar to yours just to illustrate how stupid you sound:
"You people claim the was no evidence of CD, yet people at ground zero heard Metallica playing 'For Whom The Bell Tolls'!"
See? Doesn't works.
As a (former?) soldier you have been conditioned to think in a particular way and for a particular reason.
Wow. You really ARE retarded....
However, my mind is perfectly fine.
Not even close, bud.
The point remains if there were no conflicting evidence, if there were no question as to what hit the Pentagon on the video tapes, if all of the evidence was released to the public, if this administration and those like didn't spout continous lies there would be no need to investigate conspiracies of this nature and it would be a case closed issue.
Actually, if there was no conflicting evidence, THAT is when I would get suspicious. The only time everything fits perfectly is when it has been designed to.
Swing, what's your evidence that the Keller-Atta relationship existed? We've linked several times to the article where she admits that she lied.
Alex
I would love to see a pik where any CD produces rivers of molten steel
Swing, what's your evidence that the Keller-Atta relationship existed? We've linked several times to the article where she admits that she lied.
In that original post, Pat, that you linked to earlier. She admitted and other witnesses admitted to harrassment by the FBI prior to Keller's reversal. There are also other witnesses that have stated Keller's realtionship with Atta did exist. The proof goes on and on. See the Hopsickler investigation for more details.
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