Monday, December 04, 2006

David Hawkins: Forensic Economist

911 blog has an interview up with David Hawkins, the man who was kicked out of the “Scholars” for 9/11 “Truth” for accusing Jim Fetzer of being involved in the 9/11 plot, and thereby accomplishing the rare feat of actually making Fetzer look sane by comparison. I have never quite figured what his qualifications are, but he points out that he is a “forensic economist”, rather than a “forensic accountant”. The distinction as far as I can tell means that he gets to propose his theories without having to use any actual numbers or transactions.

Hawkins then goes on to propose an incredible 9/11 plot involving in one way or another (take a deep breath) former CIA director John Deutch, the Chinese People’s Liberation Army, the Mob, Noam Chomsky, the Boeing Company, Frank Carlucci, James Baker, the Carlyle Group, George Soros, Osama bin Laden (yes him), the Prime Minister of Canada Paul Martin, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Saddam Hussein, the Teamsters, and Colonel Sanders before he went &#@* up. OK, I made up that last one.

How the plot actually worked, I am still not quite sure. It is rather long and rambling, described alternatively as a war game, a numbers racket (the Paul Newman movie “The Sting” is mentioned several times), an insurance scam, a hedge fund scam and an arbitrage system.

They also carried out the same type of attack on New Orleans with hurricane Katrina.

Unbelievable…

36 Comments:

At 04 December, 2006 08:49, Blogger Simon Lazarus said...

Hey - even I know that Colonel Sanders was involved in 9/11.

His crispy chicken recipe was the reason that Silverstein brought down WTC 7, right?

After all, when he said "pull it," he meant for his workers to leave the building and get some KFC.

Shifty guy, that Silverstein, getting workers and firemen to forget all about the attacks with the well-planned "Operation Cockle Doodle Doo."

 
At 04 December, 2006 08:57, Blogger Alex said...

Paul Martin? The guy didn't even become the prime minister until 2004. AND only managed to stay in office for 2 years. AND he makes the Democrats look conservative by comparison. What the hell was his role in 9/11? Providing free health care to the terrorists? Should have provided free meds for the twoofers instead....

 
At 04 December, 2006 08:57, Blogger Manny said...

former CIA director John Deutch, the Chinese People’s Liberation Army, the Mob, Noam Chomsky, the Boeing Company, Frank Carlucci, James Baker, the Carlyle Group, George Soros, Osama bin Laden (yes him), the Prime Minister of Canada Paul Martin, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Saddam Hussein, the Teamsters.

This is as good a segue as any to introduce my new CT game show, "Cabal or Cocktails?," Where CTers are presented with a list of names and institutions and are asked whether the people on the list run the world or would just make for a very interesting dinner party.

 
At 04 December, 2006 08:58, Blogger acmefoilco said...

Actually..... When Silverstein said "Pull it" he had his right index finger extended...that's when the "explosions" began!!!

 
At 04 December, 2006 09:07, Blogger Jujigatami said...

What, no Queen Beatrix????

Damn, She's good.

 
At 04 December, 2006 09:13, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

WHAT ABOUT THE JOOOOOS!!!!!

 
At 04 December, 2006 09:36, Blogger Democrat said...

No james b.?

Disappointing...

 
At 04 December, 2006 11:41, Blogger James B. said...

Paul Martin, before he became PM owned the Canadian Steamship Lines, which Hawkins claimed was used to transport men and equipment for Al Qaeda.

He also claims that Boeing did the same thing, which is odd, because I didn't realize they had a charter service.

Amazingly he also forwards the "767 tanker crashed into the WTC theory", even though he specificallly mentions the Boeing scandal in 2002 which ended the tanker program before it ever began.

 
At 04 December, 2006 12:03, Blogger Murdervillage said...

James, your post is one of the funniest I've seen on the subject of all this 9/11 bull...and it's completely factual. Why do the loons make it so easy for us?

Oh, I forgot. It's because they're loons.

 
At 04 December, 2006 12:23, Blogger James B. said...

Well admittedly, I did make up the Colonel Sanders part...

 
At 04 December, 2006 12:42, Blogger pomeroo said...

We all remember bg finally responding to my request that he ask a real question of Dr. Frank Greening. He linked to a rather primitive paper by Frank Legge (the guy pretends that temperatures in the WTC were insufficiently hot to weaken steel--most liars gave up on this one long ago) and I posted Dr. Greening's reply (see below). None of the liars have commented as yet.

Ron,

I hadn't seen this article until you sent it to me. I read it last night and I have this to say about it (for now):

It is superficially well written and has, for the most part, a serious scientific tone. However, I believe it has a number of obvious errors. For example, on page 1 is says there is "little evidence of fires" in WTC 7. This is simply not true. (The CDers say essentially the same thing about WTC 1 & 2 - also not true!). On page 2 it says "more explosives were used......". What explosives!

However, the most serious issue for me is the old "it fell at near free fall" argument. I have previously carried out (unpublished) momentum tranfer calculations on WTC 7. I assumed that columns failed near the 5th to 7th floors and the upper block of about 40 floors fell one floor to start the global collapse. By the way, I ignored the initial formation of a kink visible at the roof and just consider the rapid descent of the main block. (I mention this point because if you include the kinking at the roof, the observed collapse time is over 15 seconds!)

My momentum transfer method gives a WTC 7 collapse time for the main block of about 6.7 seconds, which is close to the usually quoted figure and, yes indeed, only about 0.5 seconds slower than free fall. But I have no problem with this result. If you compare the collapse of WTC 1, WTC 2 and WTC 7, you will note that the number of floors in the descending block that crushed the floors below them was approx 15, 30 and 40 respectively. If you assume these buildings had about the same floor mass of say 3500 tonnes, you have the mass of the descending blocks equal to 52,500 tonnes (WTC 1); 105,000 tonnes (WTC 2); 140,000 tonnes (WTC 7). Thus WTC 7 had by far the largest "hammer" and was therefore the fastest crushing machine on a time per floor basis.

For the Twin Towers, the effective acceleration of the collapse was about 6 m/s^2. For WTC 7 it is more like 8 m/s^2 which is actually 20 % less than free fall - a significant amount. (I believe Mr. Legge's 9 m/s^2 figure makes no sense!) I actually also assumed that the energy needed to collapse one floor of WTC 7 was more than double the figure I used for the Twin Towers and still get a collapse in less than 7 seconds.

My final comment is that I have not made measurements of the drop distances as given on page 3 of the ST9/11 article. I would like to see the raw data used by Mr. Legge since his graph data points are only about 0.16 seconds apart and the author appears to be able to make height measurements accurate to within less than 50 centimeters from a video taken from (my guess) at least half a kilometer away!?!

Cheers,
Frank

 
At 04 December, 2006 12:44, Blogger James B. said...

Oh, and I forgot to mention one of the strangest parts.

Hawkins repeats the claim that "al qaeda" stands for database, which he claims is a database of CIA Islamist assets, including "their addresses". He argues that John Deutch, back when he was DCI stole this database, along with 15,000 pages of classified documents, before leaving to go hang out at MIT with Noam Chomsky.

He later argues that since the CIA knew Osama bin Laden's "address". They could have gone and picked him up anytime they wanted.

Yeah, the last I heard he was staying at 428 Jihad lane, Apartment 2C.

 
At 04 December, 2006 12:49, Blogger James B. said...

Legge is a joke. Read his first paper called "inferences from action" in their Journal, and then compare it to my PNAC Myth rebuttal on jod911. I sent it to him in order to give him an opportunity to respond, but he refused comment.

I also submitted it to their journal, but Jones accused me of ethical violations, since I had already posted it on our site. Odd, because Jones claims he has submitted the paper that he posted in their journal to other journals.

 
At 04 December, 2006 14:30, Blogger remdem said...

Hey - even I know that Colonel Sanders was involved in 9/11.

His crispy chicken recipe was the reason that Silverstein brought down WTC 7, right?

After all, when he said "pull it," he meant for his workers to leave the building and get some KFC.


Hey now, lay off the Colonel. He died before we could implement our grand plan on 9/11. May the Grand Space Lizard God grant him 90 space virgins for helping us pull off 9/11, 11/6, Pearl Harbor, and the parting of the Red Sea (look at the Red Sea footage again! You can see the thermate going off and parting the Red Sea, NOT Moses!).

 
At 04 December, 2006 16:14, Blogger ewing2001 said...

http://www.bloglines.com/blog/ewing2001?id=2216
How Tom Reiss (UpfrontNews) is sabotaging/bandwagoning a coup d'etat concept at ny911truth
By ewing2001
December 4, 2006

http://911closeup.com/nico/911truthling1204.html


Let's put the facts as boldly and wide open on the table to analyse the current
situation between ny911truth.org, 911truth.org and the 9/11 "truth" movement itself.

"We're" doing this boldly because the purpose *IS* actually to indeed destabilize the top of this structure
or to confuse and weaken the self-appointed leadership of this 9/11 "truth" movement.

It is done to minimize their "limited hangout" manipulations, their abusive power and to make sure that the leadership will not be replaced by similar elements.

I consider the 9/11 Truth Movement as a CULT.
We're all currently 'victims' of this cult concept, among them honest and once respected 9/11 Researchers plus
former members of the 9/11 Science and Justice Alliance (2002-2006).


Fact is for me/us, that 911truth.org is manipulated with a cointel-pro concept.
Fact is also that URANTIA member Les Jamieson leads ny911truth.
Fact is also that STARWARS associates lead the "9/11 Truth Movement" (also called "untruth-" or DoubleSpeak Movement),
which we indentified as the so-called Orwellian 9/11 Truthlings or as expressed with another CartoonLanguage: 'STARWARS Axis of Evil':

1)
Robert Bowman (StarWars concept under Ronald Reagan),
who wants to create an Orwellian doublespeak-9/11 "Truth" party and recently "announced" to run
as a President in 2008.
His brainwashed Followers add constantly new "truthers" and hijacked the word "truth" now also
for absurde personalities like Dustin Hoffman or Scott Ritter.
see 911blogger.com

Steven E. Jones (former and/or current associate of Los Alamos and Department of Energy= DOE, who worked on exotic weaponry like
Cold Fusion (see also a half-hearted and dishonest analysis of breakfornews) , Sonoluminescence and other exotic weaponry.
see also
http://www.veronicachapman.com/nyc911/Jones-Kubiak.htm
Steven Jones, David Kubiak- The Los Alamos Connections

Jim Hoffman (Plagiarizer of the "'wtc 7 research' red herring" and himself a Planehugger reg. Pentagon, Shanksville and NYC)
His family received pre 9/11 STARWARS/Project Trailblazer contracts.
Hoffmans Uncle Jack Hoffman is married with June Armstrong.
Her brother Neil Armstrong ("NASA Moon Missions") received, among many other privatized Military- and Intelligence Contracors) ,
NSA - and NRO contracts for his company Veridian, close to LOCKHEED and RAYTHEON.
Other companies have been i.e. BoozAllen Hamilton (ex-CIA and PNAC James Woolsey) and BTG Inc.,
who worked on this project and officially got killed in that part of the Pentagon on 9/11, which got attacked.

This STARWARS/Project Trailblazer Research was well known and laid out in ewing2001-articles at globalfreepress during 2004, also at team8plus.org
then sabotaged by Mike Ruppert and others.


The 9/11 Truth Movement turned into a CULT a long time ago.
Also at the TOP:

The function of a "god" = David Ray Griffin

Griffin, influenced by new age spiritual kook Alfred North Whitehead, supports a so called "NEW WORLD ORDER" concept and a chinese pantheism cult, http://www.ctr4process.org/projects/china/china_eng.shtml
which is ironically a red herring to distract and blur the Transnational Concept of Globalist Fascists who wants to control the world with privatized Intelligence and Military.
They also obviously plan 'WW4/5' (according to Neocons Eliot Cohen, Norman Podhoretz and James Woolsey WW3 was already the "cold war" and ww4 started right after 9/11, see also 'Bird Flu': From psyOP and population control to "WW4") between U.S. (bogus war on terror, bogus concept Al-Quaida etc..), Russia (gangsterism, mafia, Radiation/Polonium 210- terrorism threataganda against aviation, China (Weaponized Bird Flu and other WMD).
This thesis is i.e. ignored by Alex Jones, LaRouche and Webster Tarpley.

.....
see more at
http://911closeup.com/nico/911truthling1204.html

 
At 04 December, 2006 16:18, Blogger Manny said...

Tom Reiss, Jimmy Carter, Queen Beatrix, Nico Haupt, Alan Greenspan, David Ray Griffin and Don Rickles.

Cabal or Cocktails?

 
At 04 December, 2006 18:51, Blogger Ethan said...

Hahaha

Screw Loose Change Debunked!!
http://screwloosechangedebunked.wordpress.com/

Can't handle the truth?

 
At 04 December, 2006 18:59, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

spoken like...well like an average 10 year old...but welcome to the blog anyway Ethan.

TAM

 
At 04 December, 2006 19:04, Blogger James B. said...

What happened to Vaken? He made a half dozen posts over two days, and then quit. Not much of a debunking.

 
At 04 December, 2006 19:28, Blogger Murdervillage said...

Er, Ethan, that site is:

1) A purported debunking of the video "Screw Loose Change."

2) A summary of some of that video's points followed by incorrect "rebuttals"

3) Apparently written by a ten-year-old.

Please explain what "truth" we can't handle.

 
At 04 December, 2006 19:56, Blogger Bubbers said...

"They also carried out the same type of attack on New Orleans with hurricane Katrina."
======================================================================
Amazing what 300 million shills doing a rain dance can accomplish.

 
At 04 December, 2006 20:19, Blogger R.Lange said...

Amazing what 300 million shills doing a rain dance can accomplish.

*lifts one leg, raises his tomahawk into the air, and puts his hand in front of his mouth*

Don't make me do it...

 
At 05 December, 2006 06:12, Anonymous Anonymous said...

ewing2001,

Thanks for posting here.

 
At 05 December, 2006 07:30, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

Yes indeed we need all the liars ad frauds we can get!

 
At 05 December, 2006 07:43, Blogger Democrat said...

They also carried out the same type of attack on New Orleans with hurricane Katrina

The lack of response just before the hurricane hit the shores was close to treason I would say.

It's a mystery to me why people kept voting for this guy. He would take a vacation if Houston would be hit by a nuke.

 
At 05 December, 2006 15:22, Blogger Alex said...

Gee, a Democrat accusing Bush of treason without any reasoning behind it whatsoever. THERE's a shocker. Definitely never seen THAT before.

 
At 05 December, 2006 19:49, Blogger telescopemerc said...

The lack of response just before the hurricane hit the shores was close to treason I would say.

Stretching things aren't you?

When a coworker shows up late to work do you accuse him of treason as well?

Oh wait... do you wobblies actually work for a living?

 
At 05 December, 2006 23:04, Blogger Democrat said...

Let's do nothing when you are warned about a catastrophe.

Same with 911. Taking a nap/having a vacation when things go to hell.

People get what they wish for.

 
At 06 December, 2006 12:26, Blogger Alex said...

Exactly! You'll make note of the fact that both the Mayor of New Orleans and the governor of Louisiana were democrats, so it should be quite clear which party is all about "doing nothing". The responsibility for primary response, as well as for requesting federal support, lays with local authorities. The surrounding states all put their National Guard on alert...some of them requested federal support...and Louisiana did nothing. Ofcourse, it's just SO much easier to blame Bush, right?

Moreover, don't the people of the city have any responsibility? If you get warned that there's a major hurricane headed your way, yet you decide to stay, that's your own goddamn fault. The federal government shouldn't have to fight Darwin.

 
At 06 December, 2006 16:35, Blogger Triterope said...

If you get warned that there's a major hurricane headed your way, yet you decide to stay, that's your own goddamn fault.

Not entirely. Some areas in the Hurricane Katrina strike zone were never even ordered to evacuate until it was too late. I'm sure some of those people didn't leave because the lack of a mandatory evacuation implied that it was safe to stay. I'm even more sure that some of those people died because of that.

 
At 07 December, 2006 17:25, Blogger Alex said...

erm....when the fire alarm in my building goes off, it's not a "mandatory evacuation" either, but I generally tend to heed it's advice. And if I did decide to ignore it, there'd be only one person responsible in the event of my demise.

The problem with NO was that they got hurricane warning EVERY year, and generally nothing happened. They got desensitized. Eventually it became a joke, and most people ignored the warnings. Well, that's a bad habit to get into. Sure, the government COULD have done more, but the primary responsibility rests on the shoulders of the citizens.

 
At 25 February, 2007 11:10, Blogger desi said...

instead of personel putdowns someone should explain where the plane that hit the pentagon went, wheres the wreakage in shanksville and how jet fuel burned hot enough to melt four inch steel i-beams 70 floors below the fire.

 
At 11 May, 2008 22:13, Blogger Clark said...

Colonel Sanders?

There are certainly chickensht enablers roosting at "screw loose".

Slow-roasting chicken-hawks sounds like big fun to me.

 
At 11 May, 2008 22:36, Blogger Clark said...

Escape from Katrina Blocked:

Google "Katrina, Gretna".

There are so many neo-con.neo-fascist smoking guns that one has to put in extra hours to ignore them all.

There are control-freaks trying to depopulate the planet, they have publicly stated as much.

"Control oil and you control nations; control food and you control the people; control money and you control the world."-henry kissinger

 
At 11 May, 2008 23:26, Blogger Clark said...

Documentation:
http://www.pro-life.com/nssm_200-kissinger_report.pdf

 
At 11 May, 2008 23:29, Blogger Clark said...

Should be "pdf" at the end of last link I posted.

 

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