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Thursday, February 08, 2007
Don't Believe Your Lying Eyes
Here's a pretty good video from a guy who's done a few debunking shorts in the past:
What?? LOL. You seriously think this is a good video? I mean, interesting, those bridge pics, but, what the heck does that have to do with 911 ?? LOL you debuners have to try harder
Just from my brief overview of some of the comments made in response to that video I can see how powerful denial is within the "truth" movement. The only real point that the video was trying to make was that you shouldn't rely on the average person to make a detailed analysis of events and that common sense doesn't always apply. Common sense and an appeal to the common man are the cornerstones of the "truth" movement. Yet we see in the comments no truthers really confronted the videos point. They just tap danced around it and went on to discuss other points. The inability or lack of will to directly debate an important strategy used by the "truth" movement is a behavior that closely matches deeply religious beliefs and not the behavior of a true skeptic.
I mean, interesting, those bridge pics, but, what the heck does that have to do with 911 ??
The video clearly states the point that its trying to make. Either you know the point that it's trying to make and your in denial or you lack the intelligence to comprehend a simple video. Either way, it doesn't look good for you.
here, let me explain the point of the video for your peanut brain...
The narrator used the video as an example of something that cannot be explained simply by watching the video. The reason he does this is because so many of the morons that are truthers claim that we dont need experts or sicentists to tell us what happened with WTC7 because the cause of the collapse is obvious from the video alone...Controlled Demolition. The narrator uses the video as a counter point, and a good one, to this arguement, as you obviously cannot tell from watching the video that it was a resonance effect from the 45mph winds that caused it.
That's not the point. It doesn't matter how many different angles of video you have, the average Joe can not be expected to know what is going on nor would common sense apply. I would rather trust experts in their relative fields than an individual who's only expertise on building collapse is from watching the movie Independence Day.
guys, i know what he is trying to say with this video. you dont have to explain it. however, this is obviously a flawed comparison. or do you mean to say the towers came down due to resonance?? Ha! i know you dont. It means to say: always trust your authorities, even if you cant believe it, even if their arguments have been proven to be lies, cause, u know, remember that bridge...? LOL . You idiots.
btw, could it be that this bridge is also the reason that the ISI wired 100k$ to Atta shorty before 911? or, i mean, maybe this bridge explains it. you know,sometimes we just have to believe, so, maybe the money flew over, magically. just like this bridge, you know.
Experts would understand that at the scale the towers were built there are forces in play that DO NOT correspond to your non-expert perception.
Its a known fact that as things get bigger they do not get stronger by the same percent of size increase.
Say you build a normal size table for your books and you find you can put a 1000lbs of books on it before it fails. A non-engineer would reason if he built a table 100 time bigger it should hold 100,000lbs of weight. WRONG! The problem of scale would get you. A smaller version of that bridge would never twist and buck like that BUT at that scale well.. you saw.
Truthers as non-experts don't understand this simple concept, HELL these people refuse to learn some basic science cause if they did they would realize what delicate structures the towers were at that scale and how they could have failed so catastrophically. The towers were floor for floor some of the lightest buildings in NY. Marvels of clever load distribution, not brute force, The aircraft impacts and fires compromised this system and the building fell, end of story.
Sorry if this does not fit your political agenda but facts is facts and just because you don't understand the science does not mean we need to have new investigations that you will call a whitewash anyway.
"Say you build a normal size table for your books and you find you can put a 1000lbs of books on it before it fails. A non-engineer would reason if he built a table 100 time bigger it should hold 100,000lbs of weight. WRONG!"
well, maybe you should not expect every non-engineer to think like you do. i certainly would NOT expect that. yea, its all good, the towers fell into the path of most resistance cause they were so big. ok. now, that other question, who have not answered yet... does the bridge also explain the ISI connection?
YOU know the purpose of this video was only to show that seeing something and just using common sense does not always give the proper conclusion.
I would also suspect you know you do not have any evidence that the ISI wired ATTA 100,000 aside from a an article in an Indian Newspaper. But since it does fit your belief it is a highly credible source.
One final point is anyone watching can tell the occcilation in the bridge was caused by the rock music that was playing
All the ISI crap is based on a single newspaper article from the "Times of India" (you know India, arch enemy of pakistan). In that article an Anonymous Indian Intelligence source says there was an ISI connection. I give this source little credibility due to (a) agenda, and (b) anonymity of source.
All other journals that indicate such a connection do so solely based on this article, including the famous Wall Street Journal article, which uses the Time of India article almost word for word in its report.
fx9 Said well, maybe you should not expect every non-engineer to think like you do. i certainly would NOT expect that. yea, its all good, the towers fell into the path of most resistance cause they were so big. ok. now, that other question, who have not answered yet... does the bridge also explain the ISI connection?
If that bridge had been brought down on 911 the truthers would be doing back flips trying to blame it on the government. No doubt special resonance inducing beams form space, and the sad part is the 911 truth clowns would buy it, after all no one have seen a bridge do THAT before, BUT, Experts would know better same as they know the towers were NOT a CD.
The big man in the truther movement David Ray Griffin has actually said that if the towers had fallen over there would have been a greater loss of life!!!
Now this is incredible, the cream of the crop in 911 truth is so ignorant as to the science of large structures he fails to understand the towers could never have fallen over, these are not toys!!!
22 Comments:
Dylan on Alex Jones in 10 minutes.
Link to listen.
IMHO, Dylan didn't say anything that adds to the story.
And, Alex's blustering is hard to stand.
I read about that bridge years ago, and thought how awesome it would be to be on it while it went nuts.
'..pretty good video..'
What?? LOL. You seriously think this is a good video? I mean, interesting, those bridge pics, but, what the heck does that have to do with 911 ??
LOL you debuners have to try harder
LOL you debuners have to try harder
Shouldn't you guys be the ones trying harder?
And you obviously missed the point of the video.
Just from my brief overview of some of the comments made in response to that video I can see how powerful denial is within the "truth" movement. The only real point that the video was trying to make was that you shouldn't rely on the average person to make a detailed analysis of events and that common sense doesn't always apply. Common sense and an appeal to the common man are the cornerstones of the "truth" movement. Yet we see in the comments no truthers really confronted the videos point. They just tap danced around it and went on to discuss other points. The inability or lack of will to directly debate an important strategy used by the "truth" movement is a behavior that closely matches deeply religious beliefs and not the behavior of a true skeptic.
I mean, interesting, those bridge pics, but, what the heck does that have to do with 911 ??
The video clearly states the point that its trying to make. Either you know the point that it's trying to make and your in denial or you lack the intelligence to comprehend a simple video. Either way, it doesn't look good for you.
The editor of Tikkun has now said that he is open to either MIHOP or LIHOP.
Well, now the antisemites can say they have a big-name Jew on their side. Wonderful.
Here's the story, though Lerner doesn't endorse the theories
What with their grasping at anything that can be construed as support, I won't be surprised if this hits the Loose Change boards soon.
fx9:
here, let me explain the point of the video for your peanut brain...
The narrator used the video as an example of something that cannot be explained simply by watching the video. The reason he does this is because so many of the morons that are truthers claim that we dont need experts or sicentists to tell us what happened with WTC7 because the cause of the collapse is obvious from the video alone...Controlled Demolition. The narrator uses the video as a counter point, and a good one, to this arguement, as you obviously cannot tell from watching the video that it was a resonance effect from the 45mph winds that caused it.
does that make it simpler for you?
TAM
one video does not tell everything.
That's not the point. It doesn't matter how many different angles of video you have, the average Joe can not be expected to know what is going on nor would common sense apply. I would rather trust experts in their relative fields than an individual who's only expertise on building collapse is from watching the movie Independence Day.
guys, i know what he is trying to say with this video. you dont have to explain it. however, this is obviously a flawed comparison.
or do you mean to say the towers came down due to resonance??
Ha!
i know you dont.
It means to say: always trust your authorities, even if you cant believe it, even if their arguments have been proven to be lies, cause, u know, remember that bridge...?
LOL . You idiots.
btw, could it be that this bridge is also the reason that the ISI wired 100k$ to Atta shorty before 911?
or, i mean, maybe this bridge explains it. you know,sometimes we just have to believe, so, maybe the money flew over, magically. just like this bridge, you know.
FX9, how old are you?
FX9 wrote: "guys, i know what he is trying to say with this video."
After reading the rest of that post... No. No, you don't.
fx9, you have so much to learn.
Experts would understand that at the scale the towers were built there are forces in play that DO NOT correspond to your non-expert perception.
Its a known fact that as things get bigger they do not get stronger by the same percent of size increase.
Say you build a normal size table for your books and you find you can put a 1000lbs of books on it before it fails. A non-engineer would reason if he built a table 100 time bigger it should hold 100,000lbs of weight. WRONG! The problem of scale would get you. A smaller version of that bridge would never twist and buck like that BUT at that scale well.. you saw.
Truthers as non-experts don't understand this simple concept, HELL these people refuse to learn some basic science cause if they did they would realize what delicate structures the towers were at that scale and how they could have failed so catastrophically. The towers were floor for floor some of the lightest buildings in NY. Marvels of clever load distribution, not brute force, The aircraft impacts and fires compromised this system and the building fell, end of story.
Sorry if this does not fit your political agenda but facts is facts and just because you don't understand the science does not mean we need to have new investigations that you will call a whitewash anyway.
"Say you build a normal size table for your books and you find you can put a 1000lbs of books on it before it fails. A non-engineer would reason if he built a table 100 time bigger it should hold 100,000lbs of weight. WRONG!"
well, maybe you should not expect every non-engineer to think like you do. i certainly would NOT expect that.
yea, its all good, the towers fell into the path of most resistance cause they were so big. ok.
now, that other question, who have not answered yet... does the bridge also explain the ISI connection?
YOU know the purpose of this video was only to show that seeing something and just using common sense does not always give the proper conclusion.
I would also suspect you know you do not have any evidence that the ISI wired ATTA 100,000 aside from a an article in an Indian Newspaper. But since it does fit your belief it is a highly credible source.
One final point is anyone watching can tell the occcilation in the bridge was caused by the rock music that was playing
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All the ISI crap is based on a single newspaper article from the "Times of India" (you know India, arch enemy of pakistan). In that article an Anonymous Indian Intelligence source says there was an ISI connection. I give this source little credibility due to (a) agenda, and (b) anonymity of source.
All other journals that indicate such a connection do so solely based on this article, including the famous Wall Street Journal article, which uses the Time of India article almost word for word in its report.
TAM
fx9 Said
well, maybe you should not expect every non-engineer to think like you do. i certainly would NOT expect that.
yea, its all good, the towers fell into the path of most resistance cause they were so big. ok.
now, that other question, who have not answered yet... does the bridge also explain the ISI connection?
If that bridge had been brought down on 911 the truthers would be doing back flips trying to blame it on the government. No doubt special resonance inducing beams form space, and the sad part is the 911 truth clowns would buy it, after all no one have seen a bridge do THAT before, BUT, Experts would know better same as they know the towers were NOT a CD.
The big man in the truther movement David Ray Griffin has actually said that if the towers had fallen over there would have been a greater loss of life!!!
Now this is incredible, the cream of the crop in 911 truth is so ignorant as to the science of large structures he fails to understand the towers could never have fallen over, these are not toys!!!
And you guys hang on every word of this dimwit.
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