Sunday, February 25, 2007

Search in Vain

I was amused by this request for information by a dilligent 9/11 conspiracy theory researcher over at the Loose Change Forum:

Im Going To Post Some Stuff At The Hannity Forums about 911 being inside
job

Okay heres what I need

1) I need a list of news articles dealing with the hijackers being trained at U.S. military bases. Hopefully a few of those articles contains quotes from the soldiers saying basicaly "Yes I trained that hijacker, at a military base"

2) I need a list of news articles dealing with Firefighters, Police OFficers, and First responders saying "I was told by my superiors to get back because building 7 was going to be blown up or demolished or brought down, and I followed my orders and then the building fell.". Hopefully with quotes and name and position of person giving the quote.

In the first 7 responses (some by the original poster), there are of course no actual sources. I am curious how long (if ever) it will take him to realize that he isn't talking about a "list of news articles" where soldiers are saying, "Yes I trained that hijacker, at a military base". Every single one of these "training hijackers" myths originates from the same Gannett wire report, not about training hijackers, but about people with some of the same names being trained at military bases. The second story is based largely off of one anonymous e-mail, and one Alex Jones article.

27 Comments:

At 25 February, 2007 15:51, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

This should actually be amusing.

I suspect this mystery poster is actually a debunker giving the loosers a set of impossible conditions to fulfill.

When they find themselves unable to come up with what he asks for, they will probably peg him as CIA, FBI,, NSA, CBC, CDC, NCIS, CID, DIA, FDA or NKOTB and ban him from the boards.

 
At 25 February, 2007 16:02, Blogger Col. Jenny Sparks said...

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At 25 February, 2007 16:19, Blogger Alex said...

No, just familiar with twoofer SOP's.

 
At 25 February, 2007 16:39, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

Thinking "everyone is out to get me" is paranoia.

Thinking one man is out to embarass the whack-jobs... that's just cheerful optimism.

 
At 25 February, 2007 16:58, Blogger James B. said...

The thought had occured to me admittedly. Telling the difference between truther "research" and outright paradoy is difficult sometime.

 
At 25 February, 2007 17:42, Blogger BG said...

James,

I'm not trying to pull a fast one here. Go to this link. Notice where the post is from. Tell me it's not a credible source. I agree, without verification, this article means nothing.

Are you telling me, however, that the Newsweek article and others in that vein, don't exist?

On September 15, Newsweek reported: “U.S. military sources have given the FBI information that suggests five of the alleged hijackers of the planes used in Tuesday’s terror attacks received training at secure U.S. military installations in the 1990s.”

I'd work more on this research more, but I agree with you: there's not enough there to make a strong case of even a weak LIHOP argument.

Where you and I disagree is that I think there's plenty of evidence that could be pursued, but not in the public realm.

 
At 25 February, 2007 17:59, Blogger Alex said...

Right, here's the opening of the letter that this guy wrote:

It's about time conservative idiots like Steve Kelly and Rod Musgrove got a dose of reality. Of course President Bush knew about the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed this war on terrorism. His daddy had Saddam and he needed Osama.

His presidency was going nowhere. He wasn't elected by the American people, but placed into the Oval Office by the conservative supreme court. The economy was sliding into the usual Republican pits and he needed something on which to hang his presidency.


Yep, he sure sounds like an unbiased, credible source to me! That, like, TOTALLY proves that thermate can be used for demolition!

 
At 25 February, 2007 18:35, Blogger BG said...

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At 25 February, 2007 18:36, Blogger BG said...

Alex,

Stop with the termate / demolition stuff. I've never said themate alone was used. Steve Jones has mentioned super thermate (which can be explosive).

I agree that if one was formulating details that would explain WTC 1,2, or 7 as being Controlled Demos, that one would want to include other mechanisms other than themate or superthemate.

I've said I have no background in explosives / demolition. I think you would understand if I were asked who (between the two) I found more credible, I would choose S. Jones over Fetzer.

I don't support S. Jones so much because I find his thermate ideas reasonable and compelling. I support him in his acts such as going on the Tucker Carlson show and trying to get a fair hearing about WTC 7, for example. He was not given a fair hearing, something someone even as combative as you should be willing to admit.

 
At 25 February, 2007 18:52, Blogger Alex said...

Stop with the termate / demolition stuff. I've never said themate alone was used.

Well OFCOURSE not! They also used heat rays to make people jump, right? Probably used those heat rays to melt the beams too. That's where all those rivers of steel that we saw on TV came from.

I've said I have no background in explosives / demolition.

Which is why you should STFU. Several of us here DO have experience with explosives and demolition, and we've repeatedly told you that you're right the fuck out of 'er, yet you continue to repeat the same clueless nonsense over and over again.

I think you would understand if I were asked who (between the two) I found more credible, I would choose S. Jones over Fetzer.

Right. You have no experience with explosives, so you ofcourse chose "experts" who also don't have any experience with explosives. Makes perfect sense.

He was not given a fair hearing, something someone even as combative as you should be willing to admit.

I wouldn't know, I didn't watch the show, but I'd say that giving him a "fair hearing" would make him look stupider than actually trying to make him look stupid.

 
At 25 February, 2007 19:51, Blogger dman said...

Well I was in my firehouse in NJ
when heard over the radio the call
(3PM) for all personnel to stay clear of WTC 7 as the building was
expected to collapse (it fell at
5:20PM). Guess makes me NWO
stooge.

 
At 25 February, 2007 20:07, Blogger Alex said...

No, you're just not part of the Firefighter Demolition Teams (FDT). They're like the Firefighter version of the Speical Forces. It's all very hush-hush.

 
At 25 February, 2007 20:53, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

I've said I have no background in explosives / demolition. I think you would understand if I were asked who (between the two) I found more credible, I would choose S. Jones over Fetzer.

If I were forced to make my pick, I'd choose Goofy over Daffy Duck.

 
At 25 February, 2007 20:56, Blogger Richard said...

WTF is super thermate? What's the point of having an incendiary blown all to hell? Incendiary devices kind of have to be on what they are melting in order to work, not spread over a mile.

 
At 25 February, 2007 21:21, Blogger CHF said...

I've said I have no background in explosives / demolition. I think you would understand if I were asked who (between the two) I found more credible, I would choose S. Jones over Fetzer.

Bg,

the fact that you're chosing between those two should tell you something.

It's not a case of demolition pro A vs. demolition pro B.

It's Thermite man Jones vs Laser Beam Fetzer!

How pathetic.

 
At 25 February, 2007 21:48, Blogger Sword of Truth said...

Anyone else notice that Mr. "I'm-Agnostic-on-911-Truth" has deliberately limited his choices to two MIHOPpers?

Why don't you explain to us why you don't feel inclined to trust any of THESE guys, Billy?

 
At 25 February, 2007 22:06, Blogger James B. said...

You have to read the rest of the article. This was only 4 days after the attacks, and obviously a case of mistaken identity. I stand corrected as to only one article though, I guess both Neweeks and Gannett reported on the same story.

U.S. military sources have given the FBI information that suggests five of the alleged hijackers of the planes that were used in Tuesday's terror attacks received training at secure U.S. military installations in the 1990s.

Three of the alleged hijackers listed their address on drivers licenses and car registrations as the Naval Air Station in Pensacola, Fla.--known as the "Cradle of U.S. Navy Aviation," according to a high-ranking U.S. Navy source.

Another of the alleged hijackers may have been trained in strategy and tactics at the Air War College in Montgomery, Ala., said another high-ranking Pentagon official. The fifth man may have received language instruction at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Tex. Both were former Saudi Air Force pilots who had come to the United States, according to the Pentagon source.

But there are slight discrepancies between the military training records and the official FBI list of suspected hijackers--either in the spellings of their names or with their birthdates. One military source said it is possible that the hijackers may have stolen the identities of the foreign nationals who studied at the U.S. installations.

 
At 25 February, 2007 22:24, Blogger Alex said...

WTF is super thermate?

I'm pretty sure they just made it up.

 
At 26 February, 2007 00:17, Blogger Lying_Dylan said...

Steven Jones and BG do share one thing in commen.

They BOTH look like they have not been laid in a REALLY REALLY long time (if ever).

 
At 26 February, 2007 06:01, Blogger BG said...

Interesting article about advances in technology for explosives:

Nanoscale Chemistry Yields Better Explosives

 
At 26 February, 2007 06:21, Blogger BG said...

Super-Thermite Electric Matches

 
At 26 February, 2007 07:37, Blogger 911_truthiness said...

I've said I have no background in explosives / demolition. I think you would understand if I were asked who (between the two) I found more credible, I would choose S. Jones over Fetzer.

The demolition team of Jones and Fetzer? And how many buildings have they explosively demolished, again? What was that? I didn't hear you...... OH, None.

Do you also get driving advice from Stevie Wonder? I understand he has been in a car. Medical advice from your plumber?

See, Maybe it's just me but I would ask the Loizeaux family what they thought of the building collapse. YOU KNOW people who have actually done explosive implosions.

You Know... REAL EXPERTS.

 
At 26 February, 2007 08:40, Blogger BG said...

You Know... REAL EXPERTS.

If the so-called real experts would provide answers that could explain what really happened, then I wouldn't be spending time posting comments to people who accept the bogus official story.

 
At 26 February, 2007 10:01, Blogger Stevew said...

The real experts have given all the answers it is just that the questions from the toofer's have no relivence

 
At 26 February, 2007 12:59, Blogger Alex said...

Super-Thermite Electric Matches

LOL. Yes, Bill, the WTC was brought down by matches. You're just way too clever for us!

 
At 26 February, 2007 14:27, Blogger 911_truthiness said...

If the so-called real experts would provide answers that could explain what really happened, then I wouldn't be spending time posting comments to people who accept the bogus official story.

But they have supplied answers and very reasonable and well thought out answers, based in fact and science.

Now just because you and many of your cohorts lack the intelligence to comprehend those answers does not make them any less true.

Someone here suggested the government should created visualizations of what happened on 911 to help the average truther understand the NIST reports? GEE!!! now you need pictures, too much YouTube shit I think.

Well how far does it have to be dumbed down to suite you? At some point you have to say "they are just too stupid to understand, fuck em"

 
At 26 February, 2007 19:59, Blogger Cl1mh4224rd said...

"His presidency was going nowhere."

Wtf? He had been in office a mere 8 months.

"Man, Dick. It's been 8 whole months! This is boring. What you say we kick things up a notch?"
"*whah!* I'm lovin' it. *whah!*"

 

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