Don't Tell Alex Jones This...
Luke Rudkowski and Tom "How many of you here have heard of the Federal Reserve?" Foti appear on what appears to be a public access TV talk show. Rudkowski is making a film (aren't they all) about his experiences with the NY 9-11 Denial crowd. I have not watched the entire clip (it runs about an hour), but my ears did prick up a bit at what Luke says at 2:10
Luke: This was just a film about me and Dan Wallace and the NY 9-11 Truth organization, about what we have been going through with the police harassing us, with police infiltration....
Police harassing 9-11 Truthers? But I could have sworn that Alex Jones has told us that almost all the NYC police he's met agree with the Truthers?
Documentary film maker and radio host Alex Jones, coordinating today's 9/11 truth movement events in downtown New York City, says that the atmosphere around ground zero has dramatically changed, with the majority of firefighters and police officers now sympathetic to the claim that 9/11 was an inside job.
Saying that the "entire atmosphere had changed," Alex explained how police support for protesters at ground zero had gone from 20% support two years ago to around 60% support now - with many willing to affirm that sentiment on camera and many knowledgeable about Alex Jones' work and the 9/11 truth movement.
"Police just saying 'keep your investigation going, we appreciate you' on video," said Jones.
"The firemen we've been talking to - a hundred per cent are on our side and have seen the documentary films....it is just incredible what's happened at the grass roots."
The host is quite a nutjob himself. Here's his website, where he courageously proclaims himself to be against slavery:
Slavery and generally any social, political, economic injustice anywhere is a direct threat aimed at the social justice, political and economic existence everywhere.
Way to take on those controversial issues, Harold!
Update: At about 36:50 we get to see a clip from Luke's film. It's much the same as the Looser films; lots of scenes of them walking around New York City, lots of nausea-inducing rotations of the camera. No kidding, there's about four minutes of tape where the camera is just looking at the ground while Foti tries to negotiate with the cops about where the NY guys can hold their "9-11 Was An Inside Job" banner. Hilariously, one of the cops tells them not to "unfurl" their banner near the truck, which Rudkowski subtitles as "unfrail" their banner.
Labels: Alex Jones, Luke Rudkowski
posted by Pat @ 10:25 AM
53 comments
53 Comments:
I have a question.
Do you believe that the Gov lies to it's people?
Do you believe that the Gov lies to it's people?
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And no one here would argue "the government" has never lied.
Tough we skeptics are smart enough to realize "the government" is not a single, monolithic entity.
Of course governments lie, and they've all done fucked up shit in the past, but riddle me this Batman: Are all the structural engineers, controlled demolition experts and other qualified people lying? What about the emergency and rescue people? That's a hell of a lot of people lying and what do they have to gain in covering up the murder of 3000 people?
No, Troy, I certainly don't hate these people that much, and if you do, you need to take a break and get a grip on what's really important in life. What I want is that old codger to say to Foti, "You're a nutbar and not worth my time."
TS, that is the lamest question in the Denier arsenal.
I haven't watched the video. But from the paused shot, doesn't the kid on the right look just like Al Bundy?
oh shawn you are so smart you can correct me on the miss use of it's
big deal.
So then with that asked. Is it possible that the Government could have lied about the official story of 9/11/01.
Remember it's the same administration that lied to its people about WMD's in Iraq. And don't come and tell me that they didn't lie about that, because they did get caught with their pants down. And still are getting caught in controversy with the 8 attorney's that where fired. and now with the Texas Youth Commission sex scandal. Remember that these are kids that were sexually abused. And it goes all the way up to Georgy boys buddies Alberto Gonzales and Johnny Sutton.
Don't come and tell me that Bush knew nothing of this scandal, he does. These two did not investigate this huge sex scandal involving kids and your still not gonna question the official story and you still believe that your government didn't lie about it. So then that would make 90% of the worlds population KOOKS AND NUTS then I am damn proud to be a kook cause in this case I wouldn't want to be normal like you all claim to be
I am damn proud to be a kook cause in this case I wouldn't want to be normal like you all claim to be
That just about sums it up.
They lied when they said America was attacked cuz the terrorists "hate our freedoms."
That's more of an over-simplification than a lie.
Was JFK assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald?
ok so you obviously know they lied about the official story. We know they lied.
Why is it so hard to believe the theory of controlled demolition oh yes cause then that would implicate the government and no one wants to believe that the people they elect to office would commit mass murder on it's own population.
Yes: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Truthseeker why don't you answer my question? I answered yours.
It is hard to believe the CD theory because there is NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT.
So then with that asked. Is it possible that the Government could have lied about the official story of 9/11/01.
Whether they theoretically could have lied about it, is completely irrelevent as to whether they carried it out.
Could you have lied when someone asked you if you were a child molester? Absolutely, people lie about things every day. Does this somehow prove that you are a pedophile?
Do you believe that the simulations on 9/11/01 simulating the same things that actually happened on 9/11 were just coincidences. and if you do I want numbers. what are the odds of such a thing happening.
Remember 7/7 in the UK. same thing. simulations of the exact same things that happened the same day. I find it odd. am I the only one.
I don't have the evidence I'm simply asking questions is all. My opinion is that yes it was demo but that is my opinion
I will say this tho. I am a miner and have played with explosives and demolition charges. I'm not an expert but the photos of what was left of the columns at the twin towers did look suspicious the are on almost a 45 degree angle which could have only been caused by b-line.
not the same b-line mines use to cut rock when blasting but similar just in higher concentration.
I see you still haven't answered me.
I can understand how people might think 9/11 was a government job as they certainly turned it to their advantage but 7/7? In what way did did the British government benefit from blowing up a bus and some tubes? Not to mention the Madrid bombings that led to the public putting pressure on the government to pull out of Iraq, which they did.
the drills involved hijacked planes being used as flying bombs they were domestic planes the drills consisted of the same scenario of that tragedy Twin Towers as possible targets. Same thing in London same scenario same deal and the same thing happened. I can't just take this at face value. 1. I don't have the money to hire experts to look into it. sure I may make 100k a year mining but I also have 3 kids a house to pay for a car and a cottage. my investigation funds are kinda low at the moment. lmao
CHF you are the only one on this blog site that I can have a descent conversation with without being called names Thank You for that
I am trying to find it have patience pls in regards to the photos of the columns after the collapse
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/gzexcav1.html this will bring you to wtc7 after collapse
Experts have already looked into both sets of attacks and you've still to give me a reason to doubt their findings.
Well at least they didn't bother with remote controlled planes, cruise missiles, experimental thermate explosives and voice morphing technology.
Typical americans, everything's got to be a big show hasn't it?
The drill was based around a small private plane accidentally crashing into a CIA building. And the exercise never actually took place - they cancelled it after the real planes hit the WTC. It's just another example of twoofers twisting facts to try and fit their version of the truth.
ok well Twin towers was one attack then came pentagon and Shanksville and where was that plane going? Then they hit the U.S. with the Anthrax scare. You all want the proof that Gov was involved I want the proof that shows that they really had nothing to do with it.
I'm Canadian I was living in Toronto at the time and I was working downtown. The Downtown Core was evacuated I was sent home from work as a precaution. Toronto is 8 hours from NY City I believe. I was in the tallest building in that city near the top floor.
You can't prove a negative you daft twat.
Prove to me that the Amish weren't involved.
You all want the proof that Gov was involved I want the proof that shows that they really had nothing to do with it.
Ever hear the term "innocent until proven guilty"?
Do you understand the concept of "burden of proof"?
I'm Canadian I was living in Toronto at the time and I was working downtown.
Me and CHF are also from Toronto. I spent the morning of 9/11 at home, and spent the afternoon at Pearson airport.
Why would you go to Pearson?
To help out. There were a lot of stranded yanks that day.
You all want the proof that Gov was involved I want the proof that shows that they really had nothing to do with it.
TruthSeeker... I have a box here with information that shows the 911 Truth movement is an arm of Al Qieda. So why are you a member of a terrorist group?
What do you say to that?
If i had the money to do so I would but I don't so I can't unless I find a major University willing to donate their time to investigating this issue. someone who has no opinion on this matter hmmmmmmmm let me see. Nope none of those exist, so that would be an almost impossible act to follow up on. Especially since most of the hard evidence was destroyed almost right away. Looks like this debate about who done it is gonna go on forever. You all have your opinions on the matter as I do. All I can do is ask questions which will probably never get answered. So what really needs to happen is IF it was gov that did it. If it is a Conspiracy, Someone needs to crack and confess to what they know.
BUT...TruthSeeker... I have a proof you are in fact a member of Al Qieda!!
An you are also a holocaust revisionist
How do you respond????
TruthSeeker... I have a box here with information that shows the 911 Truth movement is an arm of Al Qieda. So why are you a member of a terrorist group?
What do you say to that?
what do I have to say to that show me. And if having a belief that differs from yours makes me a terrorist then I guess that's what I am and I should be arrested for having an OPINION. I'll be back I have to pick up my wife at work.
I must be a holocaust denier lmao
6 million jews is all you ever hear about what about the thousands of Italien and Polish, what about the French or other races and religions that was killed by the Nazies.
I love the pik of the core girder that was cut with torches. The whaks say it was done with thermite as part of the CD. If you look at the girder, it would have had to of had charges on bothsides and a hole in the middle to weaken as is done on all large girders. Why was this not done?
There were something like 47 in the core.
How could this be done and nobody notice?
Were the core girders exposed or covered up?
Why were these socalled explosives placed on different levels?
How did the planes hit the exact spot where they were suposidly planted?
"what do I have to say to that show me. "
BINGO!!!!!!!
NOW YOU GOT THE CONCEPT!!!!!
The burden of proof is on ME to prove you are a terrorist and not on YOU to prove you are NOT!!!
So now do you see how silly it is to say a 911 must have happened until someone can prove they are NOT guilty.
You reasoning skills like that of most truthers sucks.
"I must be a holocaust denier lmao
6 million jews is all you ever hear about what about the thousands of Italien and Polish, what about the French or other races and religions that was killed by the Nazies."
Crap.. I thought you had the concept, I brought up the holocaust as a metaphor, just something I could accuse you of without proof to make a point. I could have said you beat your wife just as easily.
But like most truther you try and divert the argument from a simple point of logic to accusing me of saying only Jews died in the holocaust.
Typical.
". . .I want the proof that shows that they really had nothing to do with it."
Guilty until proven innocent, is it? You're not the first person to express such a distorted understanding of freedom, either. It's quite disturbing.
I get the point truth prove it prove it prove it i got the point i just had to add the whole holocaust thing. I like to make people talk
All I can do is ask questions which will probably never get answered.
Every question you've asked so far has been answered. If you'd spend half as much effort actually doing some research as you do arguing from ignorance, you'd realize that every single question that the twooth movement has come up with has been answered. Even if they hadn't, your entire argument breaks down to argumentum ad ignorantiam. It's like creationists saying "well, there's still unanswered questions, therefore evolution isn't real". It's a HORRIBLE way to argue, and it does nothing to validate your claims.
So what really needs to happen is IF it was gov that did it. If it is a Conspiracy, Someone needs to crack and confess to what they know.
Yes, and if there is a bigfoot, he needs to come over for tea and crumpets.
The bottom line is there are good arguments for and good arguments against. You are all obviously having fun at my expence. which is fine I don't really care about that. I made myself look like an Idiot asking to prove a negative. oh well My opinion still stands.
It was the same opinion I had the day of and is the same opinion i will take with me to my grave. I will make some calls to Universities and see what they say. Unless I can actually get an engineer to check up on itand change my mind.
what about the police state?
The bottom line is there are good arguments for and good arguments against.
No, there aren't If there were good arguments to prove the conspiracy, we wouldn't be having this discussion. The fact of the matter is that there is no evidence to suggest US government involvement or complicity. No solid evidence, no circumstantial evidence, and no "good arguments".
My opinion still stands.
It was the same opinion I had the day of and is the same opinion i will take with me to my grave.
In other words, you're a True Believer. To you, your interpretation of the events of 9/11 is not something that can be questioned. It is akin to a religious belief. Which is fine, you're welcome to believe in whatever religion you want, just don't expect to convert any of us, and don't blame us for thinking you're an idiot.
So what really needs to happen is IF it was gov that did it. If it is a Conspiracy, Someone needs to crack and confess to what they know.
You already have a confession from OBL and KSM. You even have video taped wills from many of the terrorists involved. What else do you want? Are you telling me you would only except a confession from someone in the Government, and dismiss anyone else's?
any one wanna play Gears of War
great game...but no.
TAM:)
TS, if you make a few calls to universities, you will be actually deserving of your nickname.
TruthSeeker said...
Do you believe that the simulations on 9/11/01 simulating the same things that actually happened on 9/11 were just coincidences. and if you do I want numbers. what are the odds of such a thing happening.
Since no such things occurred, my answer is "WTF? Are you high?"
Please stop repeating this childish nonsense. You learned it from morons. You shouldn't use morons as sources for important information, because they're morons.
"what about the police state?"
What about a police state?
How does your action in making amateurish errors in logic help stop the Bush administration from creating a police state? How does buying the obvious bullshit being peddled by the conspiracy theorist stop Bush?
All you do by your actions is tarnish liberals who fight to get Bush out of office. You make the thinking liberals who are smart enough to see the truthers for what they are as silly and gullible.
PLEASE! don't be on our side, it's hard to get taken seriously when the guy standing next to you is wearing a tin foil hat.
"what about the police state?"
I have a different question from 911 Truthiness, and that's "what police state?" People whine about the Patriot Act, but with very few quibbles all I see is a bunch of provisions extended to suspected terrorists which have applied for years to those of us in the financial industry. Where were the cries about the constitution when administrative subpoenas were applied to lil' ol' me, and why do they now arise when they're applied to suspected terrorists? Am I so much worse than those guys? I see the Bush administration, the Congress and SCOTUS extending to illegal enemy combatants procedural protections which have never before been extended to people thus classified. Were people marching in the streets with signs saying "free the Long Island 4!" when Richard Quirin and his cohorts were executed? McCain-Feingold was a much, much more grievous blow to our civil liberties than anything done in response to the attacks on our country, yet it's still safe to speak out in public in favor of that travesty without being called evil. As best I can tell, the only thing this supposed "police state" has accomplished is to make people take off their shoes at the airport. What is this "police state" people are taking about?
Yeah, I keep hearing these maniacs screaming about a police state too, yet I still haven't been asked for my passport even once while travelling to the US. Not only are they not asking for YOUR papers, they don't even want to see mine! If the US is a police state, Bush is the most incompetent dictator in history.
first off u guy'z behind this childish,ingorant,website,need help!!,U claim everything that a truth seeker say'z is a lie,regardless of fact's & evidence!,(child like thinking!),there all nut'z according 2 u cause they dare trust what the goverment say or do!!,so obivously there all mental!!.Man! if da goverment told u 2 jump off a cliff u conditioned knucklehead'z would!!,How can u b so arrogant to deny evidence & endless eyewitness's in regard'z to 9\11 being a inside job?.The goverment has admitted to staging attack's in past & recent history,gulf of tonkein,iran,cuba.2+2=5 (right!!)
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