KSM Trial Moving from NYC
When will the conspiracy theories start?
The Obama administration on Friday gave up on its plan to try the Sept. 11 plotters in Lower Manhattan, bowing to almost unanimous pressure from New York officials and business leaders to move the terrorism trial elsewhere.
One suggested locale: Guantanamo Bay.
The trial of 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed won't be held in lower Manhattan and could take place in a military tribunal at Guantanamo Bay, sources said last night.
Administration officials said that no final decision had been made but that officials of the Department of Justice and the White House were working feverishly to find a venue that would be less expensive and less of a security risk than New York City.
Labels: Guantanamo, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, New York City
posted by Pat @ 9:57 AM
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77 Comments:
Are we doing blog owner approval on all comments now? Not that I mind what so ever...
Or is just archived stuff?
New summary of Shat Curley's analysis of the gravitational acceleration of WTC 7:
'the column failed over 8 floors...'
'where were the deafening explosions...?
'Oh noes, gravitational acceleration!'
Debunking at its finest, ladies and gentlemen. Whether he's feigning wit or ignorance, Pat and his ilk will say ANYTHING to avoid close scrutiny of the facts. Happy researching, scholars!
"Scat Hurler said...
New summary of Shat Curley's analysis of the gravitational acceleration of WTC 7"
Nobody cares, Krazee.
As to the O!bama administration's regression to the law enforcement model of handling terrorism:
How fucking stupid can you be?
Yeah mofo, I agree a tyrannical dictatorship model protects us best.
Sieg heil, you fucking nazi.
I still don't understand the shrieking over the trial being located in NYC. KSM isn't General Zod. He's not going to break out and destroy the city. If New York was good enough a location to try Ramzi Yousef, it's good enough for his equally evil uncle.
'the column failed over 8 floors...'
'where were the deafening explosions...?
'Oh noes, gravitational acceleration!'
Debunking at its finest, ladies and gentlemen. Whether he's feigning wit or ignorance, Pat and his ilk will say ANYTHING to avoid close scrutiny of the facts. Happy researching, scholars!
The facts have already been explained.
"Roid Rage said...
Yeah mofo, I agree a tyrannical dictatorship model protects us best.
Sieg heil, you fucking nazi."
Now rail road is talking to the voices in his head.
Take your meds and have a nice long nap, 'mkay?
Hey Lazarus Long, I'm still not having consensual incest with my mother in the land of oz, like the character you named yourself after.
You're a complete nutter, and everybody here, regardless of what they think of "truthers" knows that deep inside. The only thing that prevents them from saying so is cult loyalty, and you know that.
So STFU, incest frankenstein.
"So STFU, incest frankenstein."
The meds are calling, oh insane one.
That and a nice long nap under your Saddam poster.
'the column failed over 8 floors...'
Yes, when some of the internal structure of WTC7 collapsed it left nothing to support those columns, and there is this thing called GRAVITY, which caused them to fall at something call gravitational acceleration. Simple if you have the brains to understand, OH, I forgot, you are a truthers so it will take pictures and video before you simpleton mentality can picture this concept.
'where were the deafening explosions...?
Yeah, that happens when large pieces of steel structure hits other things.
What does the McCarthyist do if all else fails? That's right. LOL!
You're a complete nutter, and everybody here, regardless of what they think of "truthers" knows that deep inside. The only thing that prevents them from saying so is cult loyalty, and you know that.
Are you referring to Brian Good and the other mental defective truther types who post here.
Yeah, you won't say anything about these "Truth seekers" for fear of being called a government shill and a sheeple.
"Yeah, you won't say anything about these "Truth seekers" for fear of being called a government shill and a sheeple."
If they don't make any sense, you bet your ass I will. Most other posts here by "truthers" deal with WTC 7, and I wholeheartedly agree with that argument.
If they don't make any sense, you bet your ass I will.
That's nice. When do you plan to start?
If they don't make any sense, you bet your ass I will. Most other posts here by "truthers" deal with WTC 7, and I wholeheartedly agree with that argument.
So you are stupid enough to think WTC7 was a controlled demolition buy not the towers?
Explain that silly logic will you?
Most other posts here by "truthers" deal with WTC 7, and I wholeheartedly agree with that argument.
WHAT argument? As best as I can tell, the "truth" movement thinks the US government blew up an unoccupied building 7 hours after the twin towers had collapsed for no reason other than to needlessly complicate things and make the crack investigators in the "truth" movement who stare at youtube videos all day suspicious that something was up.
There is no WTC 7 argument. To suggest that it's the smoking gun in the 9/11 conspiracy is utter lunacy.
I think it is likely WTC 7 was demolished yeah.
But it is certain the NIST report is unscientific and false.
But why get into an argument? I've seen how you people dodge the ~2.25 second freefall question, why would I join in? To get the same automated cop-outs? It's a difficult technical discussion that doesn't lend itself to rhetoric.
We would need to have a level-headed discussion, in which I'd be open to critique, but I don't see that happening. That's why Frank Greening left JREF.
I think it is likely WTC 7 was demolished yeah.
Nobody cares.
But it is certain the NIST report is unscientific and false.
According to whom? Brian Good is not an authoritative source.
But why get into an argument? I've seen how you people dodge the ~2.25 second freefall question, why would I join in? To get the same automated cop-outs? It's a difficult technical discussion that doesn't lend itself to rhetoric.
Right. Understanding the collapse of WTC 7 is a difficult technical topic and far beyond the capabilities of the ignorant buffoons who make up the "truth" movement.
There is no WTC 7 argument. To suggest that it's the smoking gun in the 9/11 conspiracy is utter lunacy.
Well you see the government just knew flying airliners into the towers would guaranty a collapse, And further the collapse would fall in such a way as to hit WTC7. AND, fires would start, AND these fires would not damage demolition devices Planted in the building. AND, all those FDNY personnel would not see building 7 was undamaged, AND...........
It's a difficult technical discussion that doesn't lend itself to rhetoric.
And when all you have is rhetoric as do the truthers, and lack the technical understanding as do the truthers. I can see where you would want to stick to the rhetoric of us debunkers being all right wing nuts.
So you stick to the rhetoric, I will ask the science and logic questions.
Unless you grow the balls to call the controlled demolition idiots out.
See? Pointless. Forget it. You can have your little pointless WTC 7 discussions with your usual sparring partners. Frankly I don't give a shit.
But why get into an argument? I've seen how you people dodge the ~2.25 second freefall question,
Bet you don't even know what "free fall" is. To you it's something you heard repeated by 9/11 conspiracy theorist, and you not knowing any better think it's insightful,
It's on par with the creationist question "If man evolved from apes, why are there still apes?" The question itself show the person posing the question hasn't the understand of the event. It's sounds good to the other idiots, but no one else.
See? Pointless. Forget it. You can have your little pointless WTC 7 discussions with your usual sparring partners. Frankly I don't give a shit.
So you are a coward, And you say we run in fear?
You want to argue politics. And avoid dealing with the hard reality of science and physics. Stuff that takes brains to understand. Politics easy, science hard. Typical truther shit.
Bet you don't even know what "free fall" is. To you it's something you heard repeated by 9/11 conspiracy theorist, and you not knowing any better think it's insightful,
I do know what freefall is, and on that particular topic I have been setting many "truthers" straight. Rudely and unforgivingly. I share your concern here. However, NIST did admit a minimum of 2.25 seconds of pure freefall in their final report, after being forced to do so by David Chandler.
But, like I said, a WTC 7 discussion here is pointless. No way in hell is such a discussion here going to be productive in any way shape or form.
After seeing people calling Hitler a "lefty" and Saddam a "Soviet asset", I know exactly what kind of sophists I'm dealing with.
Forget it. No one would be willing to explain in detail a failure mechanism that outdoes even Vérinage demolitions, yet is supposed to be caused be a cascading fire-induced core failure.
All I've seen so far is repetitive blathering from both sides. No thank you.
Forget it. No one would be willing to explain in detail a failure mechanism that outdoes even Vérinage demolitions, yet is supposed to be caused be a cascading fire-induced core failure.
Well how else do you think it happened? If you have an idea that is as viable as a fire induced collapse, let hear it. Don't just ask stupid question.
You do know building 7 was hit so badly by WTC1 it was leaning? The FDNY even took the time to get a surveyors transit to measure the lean. Every FDNY who saw the building knew it was doomed.
You WANT this to be a controlled demolition to feed your natural tendency to believe in conspiracies. Problem is you can't make it work without a bunch of skeptics dumping on you religion.
"The FDNY even took the time to get a surveyors transit to measure the lean."
Now look, that's an example of constructive info/discussion. Got a source? Please link me.
Here's the source of your claim:firehouse inerview with deputy chief Haydn.
Thanks.
Now look, that's an example of constructive info/discussion. Got a source? Please link me.
Wait... You mean to tell me you think 9/11 was this big conspiracy but don't know some of the key facts of the event? it's been 9 years you know.
Look at the front page of this site, See all those links? You know the ones that don't take you to conspiracy theorist sites. Lots of info there some of it very technical. Have YOU read the NIST report? I have.
FYI. Building 7 didn't have a core, the towers did. It was steel frame and was built over an existing power sub station which required some compromises in the construction.
Read this stuff and you will see how bad #7 was. How bad the fires were, how there was no water to fight the fires, or men to do it. Why do you think they cleared the area before the collapse?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwdD6ERutEI
Here's the source of your claim:firehouse inerview with deputy chief Haydn.
Firehouse is a very good source, well unless you think the FDNY was in on it.
Read the reports of the men who saw the state of WTC7, paints a very different picture of the conspiracy theorist idea of an undamaged building.
FYI. Building 7 didn't have a core, the towers did.
Wasn't WTC7 a "tube-within-a-tube" design? Isn't that why damage to the exterior was so crippling to the structural integrity of the building?
Or am I confusing this with the north and south towers?
I still get the feeling that there's hope for Roid Rage. He's not a hopeless lunatic like Brian Good. Maybe we can talk him into some sense on the topic of WTC 7.
Let me ask you, Roid Rage, what do you think happened at WTC 7? What makes you think there's a conspiracy element, and what would the conspirators gain from destroying the building?
WTC 7?
The desperation of the Troofers is just so sad.
WTC 7 did not fall faster than free-fall speed, (because there is really no such thing, in fact WTC 7 is the first time in history that free-fall speed has even been brought up, largely because it means nothing. I structure is going to collapse as fast as it wants to)WTC 7 didn't even fall all at once so the controlled demo thing is just nanobullshit.
I also agree that the trial should stay in NYC, what better way to show that bastard that life in the city has gone on and he can suck our collective ball sacks.
"FYI. Building 7 didn't have a core, the towers did."
Huh?
"WTC 7 did not fall faster than free-fall speed"
"Freefall speed" does not exist, you dunce. Quote me a physics textbook that uses that exact term. Skydiver magazines don't count.
Freefall is defined by ACCELERATION. And no, single data point speed measurements do not show fluctuations, they show a fucking AVERAGE.
Sigh.
For fucks sake. You talk like a "truther". You're parroting shit.
"FYI. Building 7 didn't have a core, the towers did."
....
"From the 7th floor to the 47th floor, WTC 7 was supported by 24 interior columns and 58 perimeter columns (numbered 1 through 57, plus 14A, which was located near the south end of the west face) (Figure 1–5). Twenty-one of the interior columns (numbered 58 through 78) formed a rectangular building core, which was offset toward the west of the building. The remaining three interior columns (79, 80, and 81) were particularly large, as they provided support for the long floor spans on the east side of the building."
— NIST NCSTAR 1A, chapter 1, page 5
"Frankly I don't give a shit"
Then leave asshole...
Scum that compare modern day dimwits to Nazis should have to go back in time so they can experience the atrocities that were comitted.
You douchebag, best stay anonymous, purely for safety reasons.
The structural design of 7 World Trade Center included a design to allow a larger building than originally planned to be constructed. A system of columns and transfer trusses were used to transfer loads to the smaller foundation. It was situated above an existing Consolidated Edison power substation.
You can argue that maybe this was not the best idea but it's clear fire and structural damage and not a controlled demolition caused the collapse.
FYI The New WTC7 is also built over a Consolidated Edison power substation, Same one? I don't know. Maybe so they wouldn't have to reroute power lines.
Scum that compare modern day dimwits to Nazis should have to go back in time so they can experience the atrocities that were comitted.
Did your family go through it? Mine did. So STFU.
You douchebag, best stay anonymous, purely for safety reasons.
That's the biggest compliment so far, pig. Now go stop a truck with your hands.
"FYI. Building 7 didn't have a core, the towers did."
Huh?
Well I guess NIST does call it a core. My understanding is those center columns were to be the original footprint of the building. The foundation. All the structure outside that had to transfer its load into that smaller foundation.
The building could have stood for ever like that. But hit it with another building, let fires burn un-fought and you see what happened.
Well the lean measurement is interesting. Especially whether or not it fits in with the NIST report.
Roid Rage said..."Did your family go through it? Mine did. So STFU."
Any claims about yourself or your relatives is meaningless in an anonymous internet forum. Don't try to play the victim.
There are peculiarities about 9/11 but none of them prove it was an "inside job." The claims of the 9/11 twoof movement are just slander from dishonest America-hating fanatics.
Here's a good video that points about Dick Gage's lies about WTC7.
Sorry, here is the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8yfNLSp_Pw
"Any claims about yourself or your relatives is meaningless in an anonymous internet forum. Don't try to play the victim."
His family didn't "go through it". That's why he throws the word around like it was nothing. Lazarus might be an annoying right wing troll but to equate him to Nazis show a complete lack of understanding of what they did.
"That's the biggest compliment so far"
You best take them anyway you can get them...
His family didn't "go through it". That's why he throws the word around like it was nothing. Lazarus might be an annoying right wing troll but to equate him to Nazis show a complete lack of understanding of what they did.
You know fuck all, pig. In fact, judging from this reaction, you're worse than Lazarus Long. And that's saying something.
"Any claims about yourself or your relatives is meaningless in an anonymous internet forum. Don't try to play the victim."
Fuck your mother backwards with an aids infected dildo. How's that, righteous man?
"You know fuck all, pig. In fact, judging from this reaction, you're worse than Lazarus Long. And that's saying something."
"Fuck your mother backwards with an aids infected dildo. How's that, righteous man?"
All that and it still doesn't make you anything like a Nazi...
"aids infected dildo"
Damn - that isn't even possible. Contaminated yes, infected no.
"How's that, righteous man?"
About a 3 on a 1 to 10 scale. You haven't been here anywhere long enough to be anything but an annoyance zit on the message board flea's (spacebar turd) ass. Perhaps Brian Good can give you some pointers...
"He throws it around because he's some 17-year-old who just finished reading a few of Chomsky's works and he wants a rhetorical brawl. He has yet to understand that there's nuance to international politics and history"
"Fuck your mother backwards with an aids infected dildo"
I would have to guess 15 year old didn't actually finish reading anything.
"About a 3 on a 1 to 10 scale. You haven't been here anywhere long enough to be anything but an annoyance zit on the message board flea's (spacebar turd) ass. Perhaps Brian Good can give you some pointers..."
Maybe I am Brian Good. Maybe I'm your other personality that types when the sparrows are flying and you get another blackout. Lederhosen of the Democracy of Mongolia with extra anchovies. Would you like some whip cream with that herring? Pull my finger.
(Fucking with the mind... lol!)
Bill, we require mod approval on any posts older than 14 days, because the spammers seem to seek out those old threads and post their endless nonsense about acai berries and stuff.
"Fuck your mother backwards with an aids infected dildo. How's that, righteous man?"
Does that rate banning?
'After seeing people calling Hitler a "lefty" and Saddam a "Soviet asset", I know exactly what kind of sophists I'm dealing with.'
So the USSR wasn't the primary source of Baathist Iraq's arms then, and the KGB and Stasi didn't train Saddam's secret police?
That's a new one.
Fuck your mother backwards with an aids infected dildo. How's that, righteous man?
Wow, impressive rhetoric! Did you think that up all by yourself? All you've done is reveal you are the typical twoof clone. Someone punctures your "America is evil" fantasies and the your sense of your own virtue and you go ballistic.
Does that rate banning?
I'd say no, because that would mean banning all twoof comments. What do they have besides personal attacks? Let them reveal the scum they are.
Boy,that ConsDumbo sure is a whiny piece of work,hey guys? Only a pinhead like im would complain about mean,nasty "truthers" on a site that could best be described as an orgy of insults.
Fuck off walt - aren't you supposed be leading some riot to take back the country today?
Boy, that Arhoolie sure is a whiny piece of work.
They sure do like their orgy of insults.
Yup, define need of professional help.
Eh, Brian?
"Arhoolie said...
Boy,that ConsDumbo sure is a whiny piece of work,hey guys? Only a pinhead like im would complain about mean,nasty "truthers" on a site that could best be described as an orgy of insults."
Nothing that a retarded marmoset like you doesn't desrve, numbnuts.
"Personal attacks"?!? It's not personal,it's business.
"It's not personal,it's business"
Great! You can write-off the ass kicking you're going to get.
And Obama will go back to attending basketball games so everyone will love him. No sense of his place in history. The first black president, in a matter of months, goes from a position in line with the 6th amendment, "an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed,"
to tossing the Constitution out the window.
-Emory
"...to tossing the Constitution out the window.
-Emory"
So, are you going to court to get the case against poor, innocent KSM thrown out? Come on, shit for brains, why don't you twoofers pool your resources to bail out your heroes.
I like the tag-team nature of the "truthers" here. Roid Rage leaves, Emory returns. I'm still waiting for Brian Good to make another daring escape from the mental hospital.
"Tossing the Constitution out the window" is a bit of hyperbole, no? I think KSM should have been tried here, but as long as he gets a fair trial, I'll be happy.
And shouldn't you be rallying for his release since he's innocent, Emory? If 9/11 was an inside job, why aren't you demanding this innocent man be freed?
'It's not personal,it's business.'
Walt is now trying to convince us he's Stringer Bell.
Poor Doug SchoolBoy.Getting housed on a daily basis has caused a major malfunction.Ain't nobody kicking my ass,numbnuts! And please tell Sackderbeck that after the drizzle stops he should go see "The Godfather",it's a really great movie.
'And please tell Sackderbeck that after the drizzle stops he should go see "The Godfather",it's a really great movie.'
And 'Generation Kill' is a great TV series. Watch a few episodes before your next attempt to pose as a war vet online, Walt.
"Ain't nobody kicking my ass,numbnuts!"
yawn...who gives a fuck loser?
Dougie SchoolBoy better,I'll tell you that or he's going to get lot more than he bargained for.Sackdrip,get your drinking habit under control and head to the Maldives.You're water logged,soused and suffering from severe lack of sunshine.
"Arhoolie said...
Dougie SchoolBoy better,I'll tell you that or he's going to get lot more than he bargained for.Sackdrip,get your drinking habit under control and head to the Maldives.You're water logged,soused and suffering from severe lack of sunshine."
assholio is talking to the oices in his head again.
'assholio is talking to the voices in his head again'.
Makes a change from the mummified corpse of his mother in the closet.
PornBoy and Ashes,the Dynamic Debunker Cult Duo to the right of Attila the Hun and inhaling propaganda like vipers!!
I didn't know Attila the Hun was a right winger.
...inhaling propaganda like vipers... Krazy you crack me up. I have to ask, are you Welsh? or even a Brit? I get that impression, I'm not sure why. I think its the use of the word "boyo" and you calling people torys.
One pussy after another here.Doug the Spineless SchoolBoy,Ronbo the PornBoy and,of course,Itchy Sack of Balls.
That doesn't even come close to answering my question.
After a day sniffing John Bolton's boxer's it's tough for PornBoy to come up with much.
" KrazeesBiggestFan said...
That doesn't even come close to answering my question."
Voices.
Head.
Connect the dots.
Poor,poor pitiful Ronald Wieck.Is there a bigger buffoon on the island of Manhattan? Mr.Weak:"Tear down that Bill Casey poster!".And quit jacking off onto your monitor.
'One pussy after another here.Doug the Spineless SchoolBoy,Ronbo the PornBoy and,of course,Itchy Sack of Balls.'
Wow, awesome put-downs, Walt. You're like Audie Murphy crossed with Bill Hicks. Are there no limits to your talents?
(NB - I am, of course, being sarcastic, in case you haven't noticed).
Ballsack and Itches,you've been decimated.Your faith in the Pentagon,the CIA,British Intelligence and the Murdoch media is embarrassing.Google mold and the effects it has on brain function.In tandem with your scary drinking schedule,you may be approaching the point of no return.Anything,even a sleazy exhale,on whistle blower Anthony Shaffer would ramp up your credibility,Jackoff.
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