Friday, June 25, 2010

The Idiocy of David Ray Griffin

David Ray Griffin attempts to use the McChrystal controversy to focus the attention on what he thinks is important, namely, himself. There is so much wrong with this essay I could go on for hours, but I will just touch on a few points of stupidity.


If the sons and daughters of wealthy and middle-class parents were coming home in boxes, or with permanent injuries or post-traumatic stress syndrome, this war would have surely been stopped long ago.


Uhh, yeah, because nobody in the military is middle-class or anything. Does this idiot realize that John McCain, Sarah Palin and Joe Biden have children in the military?

Although the US government claimed that its military operations in Afghanistan were justified by the need to prevent a second attack, this need, even if real, was clearly not urgent, as shown by the fact that the Pentagon did not launch its invasion until almost a month later.


Bizarrely, after years of claiming that the war in Afghanistan was preplanned, now they are arguing that they took too long. Geez, Dave, maybe it had to something to do with the fact that Afghanistan is a landlocked country 8,000 miles away?

The US war in Afghanistan was not authorized by the UN Security Council in 2001 or at anytime since, so this war began as an illegal war and remains an illegal war today. Our government’s claim to the contrary is false.


Of course what this moron specifically fails to mention is the UN has its own security force in Afghanistan, ISAF, which it authorized in Security Council Resolution 1386. They don't seem to have much of a problem with the US presence.




The public has widely assumed, due to misleading claims,59 that the names of the alleged hijackers were on the flight manifests for the four flights, and also that the autopsy report from the Pentagon contained the names of the hijackers said to have been on American Flight 77. However, the passenger manifests for the four airliners did not contain the names of any of the alleged hijackers and, moreover, they contained no Arab names whatsoever.


Geez, welcome to 2002. Amazingly this whole claim based off of a list of victims on CNN's website manages to get recycled, 9 years later.

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At 25 June, 2010 08:39, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, I post on a forum online, and there is a Muslim apologist using the 9/11 Truther conspiracy theories to try to say that Muslims weren't involved in 9/11. This is what he has said:

[I would love the opportunity to explore the increasing evidence that Muslims had NOTHING to do with 9/11, WHATSOEVER. Starting from the unholy haste with which a crime scene was dismantled and shipped to China for melting down, "sell" options that happened some days - maybe even weeks before the incident - on the stock of the airlines involved, the NATO forces standing down or not having aircraft nearby to scramble at this critical time, the sight of pools of molten metal trickling from the buildings, and pools of molten metal being found in the basement weeks if not months after the event, the disappearance of gold bullion from a vault in the basement of a building, the use of state-of-the-art highly explosive thermite powders using techniques so new they don't even have a proper name (they're being called superthermite or nanothermite), that have a particle size of 1/1000th the diameter of a human hair, have VERY uniformly mixed components typical of a high tech manufacturing, and that are only available from places like Lawrence Livermore Labs, the photographing of a white 747-sized E4B command plane circling around the WTC during its burning, and of helicopters dipping into the smoke through which you could see bright flashes (signs of explosions) through the smoke, the collapse of all three buildings demolition style, even though building 7 was not even involved in any plane impact, many, many reports of explosions in the basement before the planes hit, including seismographs at nearby universities that have been thoroughly analyzed, many of the alleged perpetrators having their IDs stolen and turning up alive or previously dead in other countries, and on, and on...]

Despite the lack of sources cited, what do you have to say about these lines of "evidence" he has laid out?

 
At 25 June, 2010 09:01, Blogger Billman said...

Jesus, James, how many times have the whole "names on the manifests" things been debunked? Yet they STILL claim it!

Should we really bother with these morons anymore?

 
At 25 June, 2010 09:12, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

Sounds to me that David Ray Griffin is a treasonous scum.

 
At 25 June, 2010 09:14, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Despite the lack of sources cited, what do you have to say about these lines of "evidence" he has laid out?"

There is no "evidence", there is a collection of totally debunked, insane twooooofer™ talking points that have no connection in any way shape or form to the reality of what happened on 9/11.

 
At 25 June, 2010 10:03, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Anonymous dissembles, "...Despite the lack of sources cited, what do you have to say about these lines of "evidence" he has laid out?"

Trolling again, jizzmop?

 
At 25 June, 2010 10:17, Anonymous Dylan Unsavery said...

Hey, I post on a forum online, and there is a Muslim apologist using the 9/11 Truther conspiracy theories to try to say that Muslims weren't involved in 9/11.

Post a link, please. I want to see this moron in action for myself.

 
At 25 June, 2010 10:44, Anonymous Arhoolie on Hammond B-3 said...

Funny,the dim bulb Paddy swore he could go on for hours and then proceeds to flail miserably for thirty seconds of drivel.I say the hack "activist" needs a long vacation,where he could woodshed or bone up on 9/11.You couildn't carry Griffin's jockstrap,you greasy worm.

 
At 25 June, 2010 10:45, Anonymous Arhoolie on Hammond B-3 said...

Funny,the dim bulb Paddy swore he could go on for hours and then proceeds to flail miserably for thirty seconds of drivel.I say the hack "activist" needs a long vacation,where he could woodshed or bone up on 9/11.You couildn't carry Griffin's jockstrap,you greasy worm.

 
At 25 June, 2010 11:17, Blogger Billman said...

All together now: "Funny,the dim bulb Paddy swore he could go on for hours and then proceeds to flail miserably for thirty seconds of drivel.I say the hack "activist" needs a long vacation,where he could woodshed or bone up on 9/11.You couildn't carry Griffin's jockstrap,you greasy worm."

I don't get this song (or why you posted it twice).

My verifcation words thinks Arhoolie is a "wimmer"

 
At 25 June, 2010 11:45, Blogger Pat said...

1. The dim bulb Arhoolie doesn't know that the dim bulb Paddy didn't write this post.

2. To anonymous commenter #1, check out sites like 9-11 Myths to counter your Muslim apologist buddy.

 
At 25 June, 2010 12:32, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Arhoolie on Hammond B-3"

Our sense perceptions are what first give rise to so far as I know, to objects in space and time. There can be no doubt that our deductive judgements abstract from all content of a posteriori
knowledge. The Ideal constitutes the whole content for our
concepts, by virtue of natural reason, the paralogisms of
natural reason stand in need to when treated as our possible
knowledge, natural causes. Our sense perceptions prove the
validity of indeed, the paralogisms, by means of analysis.
Reason teaches us nothing whatsoever regarding the content of
time.

 
At 25 June, 2010 13:03, Blogger Billman said...

1. The dim bulb Arhoolie doesn't know that the dim bulb Paddy didn't write this post.

LOL! Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Good one, Arhoolie. Way to pay-the-fuck-attention. You certianly are a model troofer who finds things in the details.

 
At 25 June, 2010 14:40, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gawd so much wrong with your analysis Pat.. let me help:

"Does this idiot realize that John McCain, Sarah Palin and Joe Biden have children in the military?"

I'm sure he does however being in the military and coming home in a box as a result of dying in a war zone are two completely different things. Too bad you can't make a distinction. Perhaps when these politicians children start arriving home in boxes then you too Pat, might get the point. But I suspect not as your an idiot.

"The US war in Afghanistan was not authorized by the UN Security Council in 2001 or at anytime since, so this war began as an illegal war and remains an illegal war today. Our government’s claim to the contrary is false."

Did the UN Security Council authorize the U.S. War? Yes or no, Pat?

Again, your idiocy shines like a beacon of bullshit.

 
At 25 June, 2010 15:09, Anonymous Dylan Unsavery said...

Dylan Unsavery said...

Post a link, please. I want to see this moron in action for myself.


I'm hearing crickets. What do you hear, ArseHooligan?

 
At 25 June, 2010 17:00, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good news! According to US life expectancy, David Ray Griffin will be dead in about four years. That's if AIDS doesn't get him first.

 
At 25 June, 2010 17:42, Blogger Billman said...

Gawd so much wrong with your analysis Pat.. let me help:

This was JAMES B's post.

then you too Pat, might get the point. But I suspect not as your an idiot.

This was JAMES B's post. So then, you're the idiot (see what I did there? I corrected your spelling, which was a hilarious mistake you made while attempting to call someone else an idiot, so a double whammy).

Did the UN Security Council authorize the U.S. War? Yes or no, Pat?

This was JAMES B's post.

Again, your idiocy shines like a beacon of bullshit

Yeah, about that. You may want to learn reading comprehension first.

 
At 25 June, 2010 17:44, Blogger Billman said...

Hey, trooftards, perhaps you didn't see this at the bottom of the post:

posted by James B. at 7:02 AM on Jun 25, 2010

But I'm sure Pat is laughing at you just as much as everyone else in the entire world is.

 
At 25 June, 2010 18:31, Blogger James B. said...

I'm sure he does however being in the military and coming home in a box as a result of dying in a war zone are two completely different things.

Oh, so do the children of the middle-class have some special secret technology that they use to prevent the possibility of getting blown up by an IED that we don't know about?

Did the UN Security Council authorize the U.S. War? Yes or no, Pat?

Well obviously I am not Pat, but you are avoiding the point. The UN does not care if the US being in Afghanistan is "illegal", the democratically elected government of Afghanistan doesn't care, neither does the US court system or the new administration which was elected in opposition to the Bush policy. The only people who claim that the US being in Afghanistan is illegal are the Taliban and the truthers.

 
At 25 June, 2010 18:45, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"But I suspect not as your an idiot."

....said the fucktard who can't spell.

OH TEH IRONY SHE BURNS SHE BURNS!!!!!

 
At 25 June, 2010 19:23, Blogger Triterope said...

being in the military and coming home in a box as a result of dying in a war zone are two completely different things.

** facepalm **

 
At 25 June, 2010 19:36, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good news! According to US life expectancy, David Ray Griffin will be dead in about four years. That's if AIDS doesn't get him first.

Think your boy Cheney will croak long before DRG.

Former Vice President Dick Cheney HospitalizedUpdated: 30 minutes ago


That's one way to escape justice

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand over your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead.
---Bob Dylan, Masters of War

 
At 25 June, 2010 19:40, Blogger ConsDemo said...

I'm sure he does however being in the military and coming home in a box as a result of dying in a war zone are two completely different things.

Hey dumbfuck, do you think these guys were just poor kids from the inner city.

http://www.cleveland.com/world/index.ssf/2010/05/toll_in_kabul_blast_included_4.html

Although it is true that twoofer scum aren't dying, in fact they've never made any sacrifice for this country whatsoever. People like you reap the benefits of being American but have nothing but hate for the country.

 
At 25 June, 2010 19:50, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Although it is true that twoofer scum aren't dying, in fact they've never made any sacrifice for this country whatsoever. People like you reap the benefits of being American but have nothing but hate for the country.

Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter. U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. (PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech). Former Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology. 22-year Air Force career. Also taught Mathematics and English at the University of Southern California, the University of Maryland, and Phillips University.

Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Commanding General of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, 1981 - 1984. Also commanded the U.S. Army’s Electronic Research and Development Command and the U.S. Army’s Intelligence School and Center. Former head of Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence. 32-year Army career.

Col. Ronald D. Ray, U.S. Marine Corps (ret) – Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense during the Reagan Administration and a highly decorated Vietnam veteran (two Silver Stars, a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart). Appointed by President George H.W. Bush to serve on the American Battle Monuments Commission (1990 - 1994), and on the 1992 Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces. Military Historian and Deputy Director of Field Operations for the U.S. Marine Corps Historical Center, Washington, D.C. 1990 - 1994.

 
At 25 June, 2010 19:52, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Although it is true that twoofer scum aren't dying, in fact they've never made any sacrifice for this country whatsoever. People like you reap the benefits of being American but have nothing but hate for the country.

Lt. Col. Shelton F. Lankford, U.S. Marine Corps (ret) – Retired U.S. Marine Corps fighter pilot with over 300 combat missions flown. Decorations include the Distinguished Flying Cross and 32 awards of the Air Medal. Aircraft flown: Douglas A-4 Skyhawk, Lockheed C-130H Hercules. 10,000+ total hours flown. 20-year Marine Corps career.

Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former Political-Military Affairs Officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Also served on the staff of the Director of the National Security Agency. 20-year Air Force career. Member adjunct faculty, Political Science Department, James Madison University. Instructor, University of Maryland University College and American Public University System. Author of African Crisis Response Initiative: Past Present and Future (2000) and Expeditionary Air Operations in Africa: Challenges and Solutions (2001).

Lt. Col. Jeff Latas, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former combat fighter pilot. Aerospace engineer. Currently Captain at a major airline. Combat experience includes Desert Storm and four tours of duty in Northern and Southern Watch. Aircraft flown: McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle and General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark fighter/bomber. Former President, U.S. Air Force Accident Investigation Board. Also served as Pentagon Weapons Requirement Officer and as a member of the Pentagon's Quadrennial Defense Review. Awarded Distinguish Flying Cross for Heroism, four Air Medals, four Meritorious Service Medals, and nine Aerial Achievement Medals. 20-year Air Force career.

 
At 25 June, 2010 19:54, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Although it is true that twoofer scum aren't dying, in fact they've never made any sacrifice for this country whatsoever. People like you reap the benefits of being American but have nothing but hate for the country.

Commander Ted Muga, U.S. Navy (ret) – Retired Naval aviator (Grumman E-1 and E-2). Retired Pan-Am commercial airline pilot (Boeing 707 and 727).

Commander Ralph Kolstad, U.S. Navy (ret) – Retired fighter pilot. Former Air Combat Instructor, U.S. Navy Fighter Weapons School (Topgun). 20-year Navy career. Aircraft flown: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom, Douglas A-4 Skyhawk, and Grumman F-14 Tomcat. Retired commercial airline captain with 27 years experience. Aircraft flown: Boeing 727, 757 and 767, McDonnell Douglas MD-80, and Fokker F-100. 23,000+ total hours flown.

Lt. Col. Paul F. Getty, DDS (ret) – Retired after 30 years of military service including 13 active duty years in Navy and 11 years Army National Guard.

Joel M. Skousen – Former U.S. Marine Corps fighter pilot. Commercial pilot. Aircraft flown: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom, Douglas A-4 Skyhawk, Grumman F-9 Cougar, North American T-2C Buckeye, various civilian planes. Member, Experimental Aircraft Association. Member, Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association. Former Chairman of the Conservative National Committee in Washington DC and Executive Editor of Conservative Digest.

 
At 25 June, 2010 19:54, Blogger Billman said...

Think your boy Cheney will croak long before DRG.

Former Vice President Dick Cheney HospitalizedUpdated: 30 minutes ago

That's one way to escape justice


Damn, and he almost got away with masterminding 9/11. He was so genius and secretive and conspiritorial, he so desperately wanted to see the NWO take over before his 6th and final heart attack.

Good thing "troofer justice" i.e. "death" is finally gonna get him, amiright? The troofers will all don their cult outfits and chant "pull it! pull it!" while circle jerking to a paper on "explosive" nano-thermite.

Anyway, meh. Cheney is what, 69? Bout his time with as many heart problems as he's had. And at least he can die knowing someone is happy about his death, i.e. the troofers.

 
At 25 June, 2010 19:55, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Although it is true that twoofer scum aren't dying, in fact they've never made any sacrifice for this country whatsoever. People like you reap the benefits of being American but have nothing but hate for the country.

Major Douglas Rokke, PhD, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Director U.S. Army Depleted Uranium Project. 30-year Army career. Instructor, undergraduate and graduate courses in environmental science, environmental engineering, nuclear physics, emergency management. Staff physicist at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign for 19 years.

Maj. Brian Power-Waters, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Retired Fighter Pilot, U.S. Air Force. Flight Engineer, Royal Canadian Air Force during World War II. Military aircraft flown: North American F-86 Sabre fighter and P-51 Mustang fighter, Lockheed P-38 Lightning fighter, Grumman F8F Bearcat fighter, Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress bomber, North American B-25 Mitchell bomber, Handley Page Halifax Mk V bomber, Douglas C-47 Skytrain (aka Dakota) and C-54 Skymaster, Curtis-Wright C-46 Commando, Beechcraft C-45 Expeditor and T-34 Mentor, North American T-6 Texan and T-28 Trojan, Lockheed T-33 Shooting Star (aka T-Bird), Boeing Stearman PT-17 Kaydet, Fairchild PT-19, Cessna UC-78 Bobcat. Aerobatic flying competitor in Pitts Special S-1S and Acro-Sport Starduster II biplanes.

Maj. Charles E. Dills, PhD, U.S. Air Force Reserves (ret) – World War II fighter pilot. 94 combat missions, 522nd Fighter Squadron, 27th Fighter Bomber Group, 12th Tactical Air Force, based in Italy. Aircraft flown: Boeing Stearman PT-17 Kaydet, Vultee BT-13 Valiant, North American T-6 Texan, Curtis P-40 Warhawk, Republic P-47 Thunderbolt, North American A-36A Apache-Invader, North American P-51 Mustang, Cessna UC-78 Bobcat. Flight instructor in P-40's.

 
At 25 June, 2010 20:01, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Although it is true that twoofer scum aren't dying, in fact they've never made any sacrifice for this country whatsoever. People like you reap the benefits of being American but have nothing but hate for the country.

Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force – Former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions.

Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area.

Alan N. Sabrosky, PhD – Former Director of Studies, Strategic Studies Institute and holder of the General of the Army Douglas MacArthur Chair of Research, U.S. Army War College. A Marine Corps Vietnam veteran with 10 years of service.

Capt. Eric H. May, U.S. Army (ret) – Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer. Former inspector and interpreter for the Intermediate Nuclear Forces Treaty team.

Wayne Madsen – Former U.S. Navy Intelligence Officer, specialist in electronic surveillance and security.

Col. Thomas W. Mcguire, Jr., U.S. Air Force (ret) – Retired U.S. Air Force Command Fighter Pilot. Flew 100 missions over North Vietnam in McDonnell Douglas F-4C Phantoms, leading 31 missions over Hanoi area known as Route Pack Six.

 
At 25 June, 2010 20:14, Blogger ConsDemo said...

Hey anonymous, how many of those guys died in Iraq or Afghanistan?

All the events listed occurred before the individuals became infected with the disease of twooferism, dipshit.

 
At 25 June, 2010 20:22, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Oh, I see.

In the rarefied air that Anonymous breaths, if a troofer takes a statement by a member of the armed forced out of context, the soldier is a "troofer" by default.

You're an intellectually dishonest cunt, Anonymous. FOAD.

 
At 25 June, 2010 20:24, Anonymous Anonymous said...

GuitarBill, go fuck yourself asshole

 
At 25 June, 2010 20:26, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The truth hurts, eh cunt?

Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, peckerwood.

 
At 25 June, 2010 20:31, Blogger Triterope said...

Griffin, Bowman, Stubblebine, Kwiatkowski, Kolstad, Skousen, May, Madsen, Maguire. It's the same lineup day after day, like the Yankees in the late 1930s.

 
At 25 June, 2010 20:31, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Meanwhile a former employee of Contolled Demolition has just gone public:

“AE911Truth is the most focused and organized group there is today in the 9/11 truth movement. There is no speculation, Blueprint for Truth is factual and impressive information based on science and physics, and was clear and concise
It contains extremely compelling evidence."
---Tom Sullivan, an explosive-charge placement technician, a former employee of Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI)

Now you guys will obviously turn to character assaination....because that's all you got.

 
At 25 June, 2010 20:39, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the rarefied air that Anonymous breaths, if a troofer takes a statement by a member of the armed forced out of context, the soldier is a "troofer" by default.


Nothing taken out of context at all shit-head. All their statements are on the patriots site and are quite clear where they stand.


And for every heroic person who has come forward to stand out against this bullcrap official story there are a hundred others who would like to but are afraid for their careers...they have families, mortgages and high level positions and don't want to step into the controversy and the character assasination practices by scum like yourselves who have no leg to stand on except childish third grader tactics and name-calling.

 
At 25 June, 2010 20:41, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey anonymous, how many of those guys died in Iraq or Afghanistan?

Hey idiot, how many of them died for two wars based on all lies?

ALL OF THEM!!!

 
At 25 June, 2010 21:00, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Anonymous dissembles, "...Nothing taken out of context at all shit-head. All their statements are on the patriots site and are quite clear where they stand."

Bullshit.

And holding up that liar, Doug Rokke, isn't doing much for your case, douchebag.

Here's how your "logic" works, scat muncher.

"...if we can quote mine them, we OWN them."

FOAD.

(I have a gig. I'll return in three hours).

 
At 25 June, 2010 21:33, Blogger angrysoba said...

the passenger manifests for the four airliners did not contain the names of any of the alleged hijackers and, moreover, they contained no Arab names whatsoever.


Truther factoids never die.

I know that there are a lot of people out there who still pick up Griffin's first book and don't realize how much of it has already been comprehensively debunked but what excuse has David Ray Griffin got not realizing it?

Senility?

 
At 25 June, 2010 22:41, Anonymous paul w said...

You READ through all that tripe?

Respect.

 
At 26 June, 2010 00:31, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Anonymous whines, "...Lt. Col. Paul F. Getty, DDS (ret) – Retired after 30 years of military service including 13 active duty years in Navy and 11 years Army National Guard."

ROTFLMAO!

You mean the PFGetty?

You mean the PFGetty who wrote the following about me?

"...I agree. We should help each other out in comment debates.

"I could use some help on Alternet. Every morning, any article that deals with any subject that is a consequence of 9/11, like war or torture or media censorship and wiretapping, gets a comment from me about 911.

"And I get horribly flamed by some, like 'Encino' and 'GuitarBill' and others. They are ruthless, insulting, crude, but smart.

"Go to Alternet.org.

"Actually there Alternet has had few articles I could bring 911 onto in the last few days. There are a few, though.



Further down the thread, PFGetty reveals his stealth anti-Semitism, when he writes,

"...That's a great idea.

"Somewhere here on blogger.........a place to put your website and comment and/or denier bs, and get others to help.

"We could really blast them.

"I really think theirs is a concerted effort.

"I'm not sure how it is done.

"Maybe the CIA/FBI or other agency.

"But it could be the Simon Weissenthal Center, or AIPAC, or a group of pseudo ipatriotic
[SIC] fundamentalist groups.

"But theirs is too organized, fast, the information they have flies out quickly.

"I'd love to know who some of the people really are.

"When I make a comment they know who I am.
But these guys are always completely ananymous
[SIC].

"We are being snaked."


Source: 911blogger.com

You mean the anti-Semite, PFGetty, the infamous thread hijacker, who I debunked so thoroughly that AlterNet's staff PERMANENTLY BANNED the bullshitter for 9/11 troof?

You mean that PFGetty?

ROTFLMAO!

Don't make me laugh, twat.

And remember, goober, I'm just askin' questions...

 
At 26 June, 2010 00:46, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Anonymous whines, "...Lt. Col. Paul F. Getty, DDS (ret) – Retired after 30 years of military service including 13 active duty years in Navy and 11 years Army National Guard."

Here's the proof that PFGetty was banned by AlterNet. From the horse's mouth (Or, in PFGetty's case, the horse's ass):


"...I've been banned from Alternet. I have pretty consistently commented on any articles about war and occupation in Iraq and Afghanistan, or torture, with mentions of what brought all of this to us: 9/11. I've mentioned that Alternet will not present any of the piles of evidence that proves the official story to be false. My comments have been spammed by trolls like GuitarBill and others, sometimes ten or fifteen comments from GuitarBill, all of them very insulting and vulgar.
That commenter has not been banned.
My comments have never been vulgar and far less insulting to anyone than those comments by the trolls.
And yet I have been banned.

"The last article was one by Daniel Ellsberg, whom I call a great American hero. It is pretty typical of my comments. I guess this one got me banned. Go and see it at http://www.alternet.org/world/141822/hiroshima_day%3A_america_has_been_a...

"Our message, the truth of 9/11, is not just banned by the mainstream press. It is banned and censored by venues that I'm sure all of us thought would be sympathetic, like DemocracyNow, Alternet, antiwar.com, MotherJones, the Nation, Common Dreams, Counterpunch, Truthout, and others.
"THIS is our opposition. THIS censorship is what has ensured that 9/11 truth remains on fringe websites. It is time we realize that our opposition is NOT just Fox, or CNN and the NYTimes. It is the alternative media, the liberal press, whatever you want to call it.

"I keep hearing about how the internet has ensured a real democracy, because the truth gets out. Well, it may get out to a few who search for it, but those who control the press, including the internet websites with any circulation at all, have the same kind of control and censorship that has always gone on.

"Will the 9/11 truth story die out just like the JFK truth story died out until it was mostly meaningless..............because the press refused to investigate? I think it will. I think it will, unless we can put the pressure on our "opposition".............the alternative press...........to present the truth.

"Don't let Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzales and Patrick Cockburn and the rest hide behind a reputation of brave journalism when they are censoring the truth just like Fox.

"Here is the email I got from Alternet:

"Subject: AlterNet commenting privileges suspended

"Sent By
banned@alternet.org On: August 7, 2009 4:45 PM

"To: pfgetty@embarqmail.com

"*******************************************************
"PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS EMAIL.
"Responses to this email address will not be received.
*******************************************************

"Grounds: Violations of AlterNet's community policies and/or complaints from other readers."


Source: 9/11flogger: FBI Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds Subpoenaed, Set to 'Break' Gag Order Unless DoJ Intercedes.


ROTFLMAO!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You mean that PFGetty?

LOL!

And remember, cretin, I'm just askin' questions...

 
At 26 June, 2010 02:23, Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, not that PF Getty.
Hes talking about the one that sneaks into your house when youre out at a "gig".
Its common knowledge that your wife has swallowed more seamen than the bermuda triangle.

 
At 26 June, 2010 03:50, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know that there are a lot of people out there who still pick up Griffin's first book and don't realize how much of it has already been comprehensively debunked but what excuse has David Ray Griffin got not realizing it?


Debunked? Debunked by who exactly? Popular Mechanics? ...and succefully debunked?

You guys throw around the "this has been debunked" card when it has not been debunked. Griffin tore the debunkers to shreads in Debunking 9/11 Debunking.

You guys have nothing by character assasination, guilt by association, and any other distraction you can find from the fact that the official story is silly.

 
At 26 June, 2010 06:00, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Anonymous the illiterate scribbles, "...No, not that PF Getty.
Hes talking about the one that sneaks into your house when youre
[SIC] out at a "gig".
Its common knowledge that your wife has swallowed more seamen
[SIC] than the bermuda [SIC] triangle."

LOL! What a retard.

Get back to us when you can pass an elementary course in English composition, spelling bee champ.

And remember, queer bait, a sharp tongue is no indication of a keen mind.

 
At 26 June, 2010 06:05, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Anonymous dissembles, "...Griffin tore the debunkers to shreads in Debunking 9/11 Debunking."

No he didn't.

In fact, I DEBUNKED Grifter's Debunking 9/11 Debunking, and when I challenged that cowardly retard to a debate, HE REFUSED THE DEBATE--he stonewalled, to be precise.

So, tell us, queer bait, why does Grifter REFUSE TO DEBATE?

 
At 26 June, 2010 06:57, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"The last article was one by Daniel Ellsberg, whom I call a great American hero."

So one of your heros admires a treasonous scumbag.

Quelle suprise!

I'm sure all the others you mention are of the same high quality.

 
At 26 June, 2010 08:14, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Anonymous dissembles, "...You guys have nothing by character assasination [SIC], guilt by association, and any other distraction you can find from the fact that the official story is silly."

Really? No kidding?

I'm still waiting for you to explain how 3,000 lbs. of "nanothermite" can produce 10,000 tons of sphere. Care to enlighten us, spelling bee champ?

And don't forget to violate the laws of thermodynamics, poofter for 9/11 troof.

And remember, cretin, I'm just askin' questions...

 
At 26 June, 2010 08:48, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

---Tom Sullivan, an explosive-charge placement technician, a former employee of Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI)

So a laborer who is told where to put explosives but have no idea how the process works thinks the towers were a controlled demolition. Kind of like the guy who screws the wheels on a Toyota at the factory saying the unintended acceleration issue is true.

Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret). You use the army ESP and killing goat by starring at them as an example of a qualified expert on military matters?

 
At 26 June, 2010 09:02, Blogger avicenne said...

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At 26 June, 2010 12:51, Blogger b. j. edwards said...

Trust David Ray Griffin???

http://tinyurl.com/2flub9s

 
At 26 June, 2010 13:00, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

Major General Albert N. Stubblebine: From UFOs, Remote viewing, Alien machinery on Mars, killing goats by starring at them and questioning the reality of 9/11. Stubblebine is a man who buys it all. I call it like it is, he is a Major Loonmuffin.

 
At 26 June, 2010 14:27, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'The US war in Afghanistan was not authorized by the UN Security Council in 2001 or at anytime since, so this war began as an illegal war and remains an illegal war today. Our government’s claim to the contrary is false.'

No UNSC resolution was debated by the Security Council - or sought by the US government. But the US position (that Al-Qaeda was an aggressor, and that the Taliban regime in Afghanistan aided and abetted 9/11) was disputed by no government. Which is why ISAF and UNAMAs work in that country has the explicit mandate of the UN as an organisation.

You can debate whether Iraq was an illegal war, but there is no such debate over Afghanistan. Fuck, even Iran was onside.

 
At 26 June, 2010 14:29, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Commanding General of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, 1981 - 1984.'

Would this be the same Gen Subblebine who - at the end of his military career - thought that he could walk through walls (without using that portal known as a 'door')?

Read Jon Ronson's 'The Men Who Stare at Goats' for more on this particular nutter.

 
At 27 June, 2010 08:39, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

'The US war in Afghanistan was not authorized by the UN Security Council in 2001 or at anytime since"

My question is who fuckong cares?

 
At 27 June, 2010 09:01, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just one question, can anyone post some pics of a controlled demolition site that has det cord laying around in huge quantitites after the destruction of a building?

Thanks!

 
At 27 June, 2010 09:16, Anonymous Anonymous said...

James B/Pat Is there a difference? Anyway back to your point, James, that no one find the war in Afghanistan is illegal excepts truthers. Your really not bright.


"The UN Charter is a treaty ratified by the United States and thus part of US law. Under the charter, a country can use armed force against another country only in self-defense or when the Security Council approves. Neither of those conditions was met before the United States invaded Afghanistan. The Taliban did not attack us on 9/11. Nineteen men - 15 from Saudi Arabia - did, and there was no imminent threat that Afghanistan would attack the US or another UN member country. The council did not authorize the United States or any other country to use military force against Afghanistan.The US war in Afghanistan is illegal."— Marjorie Cohn, professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law, president of the National Lawyers Guild

Is she a troofer?

Are these folks troofers?
One of the best-known women's organization in Afghanistan, the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA), condemned the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan, stating that "America ... has launched a vast aggression on our country".

They accused the U.S. and its allies of "paying the least attention to the fate of democracy in Afghanistan" by first having supported for years a "Jehadis-fostering, Osama-fostering and Taliban-fostering" policy before the 2001 U.S. invasion, only to now be "sharpening the dagger of the Northern Alliance" warlords and drug lords that were key allies of the U.S. in its invasion.'[9][11]

Is he a troofer?
Why the War Against Afghanistan is Illegal
By Arnold J.Chien, Associate Researcher, Institute for Health and Social Justic

The point is Pat,err sorry James, (whats the difference here?) your so full of shit with your character attacks of DRG, that you have to lie or at a bare minimum CANT GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

I proved you wrong over and over again here years ago and continue to do it today. Again, DRG is correct, and Jimmy the blogger is wrong again.

 
At 27 June, 2010 09:34, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Anonymous dissembles, "...Just one question, can anyone post some pics of a controlled demolition site that has det cord laying around in huge quantitites [SIC] after the destruction of a building?"

Why would anyone take pictures of det cord fragments?

Again, this is EXPERT TESTIMONY:

"...Our team, working at ground zero, including myself, never saw indication of explosive use that would have been evident after the event. You just can't clean up all that det cord, shock tube, blasting cap remnants, copper backing from explosive charges, burn marks along clean-cut edges of columns, etc., nor is there any evidence in the thousands of photos taken by the press and dozens of agencies over the following days." -- Brent Blanchard, Demolition Expert; International Society of Explosives Engineers.

Now, the burden of proof is yours, asshole.

Now, get on with it, and prove that Blanchard is lying.

I won't hold my breath.

 
At 27 June, 2010 09:53, Blogger GuitarBill said...

More expert testimony.

Source: BBC: The Third Tower: Controlled Demolition?

Is Mark Loizeaux a liar? Is Gene Corely a liar?

If they are liars, you've certainly provided NO EVIDENCE TO SUBSTANTIATE THAT CLAIM.

Now, get to work, dissembler for 9/11 troof, because questions ARE NOT EVIDENCE.

 
At 27 June, 2010 13:15, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Anonymous said...
James B/Pat Is there a difference?"

Why, yes, fucktard, they are two different people.

"Your really not bright."

Says the fucktard who can't spell.

OH TEH IRONY SHE BURNS SHE BURNS!!!!

"The UN Charter is a treaty ratified by the United States and thus part of US law."

No, it's not, fucktard.

"a country can use armed force against another country only in self-defense or when the Security Council approves."

We are using force in self-defense. And, oh yeah, fuck the Security Council.

"Neither of those conditions was met before the United States invaded Afghanistan."

Wow, there is one huge delusional lie.

Good job, good job!!!!

"The Taliban did not attack us on 9/11."

They gave aid and shelter to al Queda, who did attack us. So FOAD, moron.

"The council did not authorize the United States or any other country to use military force against Afghanistan."

Like I said, too fucking bad.

"Marjorie Cohn, professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law, president of the National Lawyers Guild

Is she a troofer?"

Maybe, maybe not, but she is, however, a reactionary left fascist with a bad bad case of BDS.

"Cohn has authored or co-authored books, including Cowboy Republic: Six Ways the Bush Gang Has Defied the Law"

Yeah, she's an objective source for an opinion. [rolls eyes]

"Arnold J.Chien, Associate Researcher, Institute for Health and Social Justice"

Any group that has "Social Justice" in the title is a collection of howling moonbat reactionary leftists.

So being a twoooofer™ or not is a moot point. He's still crazy.

"The point is Pat,err sorry James, (whats the difference here?)"

Two different people. Or did you miss that?

" your so full of shit with your character attacks of DRG, that you have to lie or at a bare minimum CANT GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT."

Says the elbow licking retard who thinks that the UN should control America's foreign policy.

"I proved you wrong over and over again here years ago and continue to do it today."

HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

You just keep on believing your delusions there, son, and you can keep on getting those prescriptions refilled.

Now go take your meds and have a nice long nap. 'Mkay?

 
At 27 June, 2010 16:10, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mkay???
What the hell lazuris, you sound like that gay teacher on South park.
Okay is what a man says. Okay?

 
At 27 June, 2010 21:40, Blogger Billman said...

Anonymous, men also spell "your not that bright" as "You're not that bright." Learn to spell a simple contraction if you're gonna attempt to insult somebody like a grown up.

 
At 28 June, 2010 00:40, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

Re: the legitimacy of the Afghan war, it might help some of the people on this site if they read the UN Charter, with specific reference to Article 51:

http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter7.shtml

'Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations,'

As conducted by Al-Qaeda on the USA 11th September 2001. Bear in mind that when the Charter was drafted, the UN's founders had just emerged from WWII, and couldn't anticipate non-state terrorist groups committing mass casualty attacks.

'until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.'

The UNSC did not provide an explicit resolution authorising OEF, but any of its members could (in the aftermath of 9/11) have taken the Afghan issue to the Council to have it debated. Secretary-General Kofi Annan also had the authority to do so. But no state sought this action. This was because (as was subsequently shown with SCR1378) the vast majority of the UN's member states supported the Taliban's overthrow, classing Mullah Omar's regime as an international outlaw because it had aided and abetted the Taliban:

http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N01/638/57/PDF/N0163857.pdf?OpenElement

as far as this passage - 'until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security' - SCR1386 explicitly endorses the process of regime change, the establishment of a post-Taliban government for Afghanistan (as supported by UNAMA), and also the ISAF mission:

http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N01/708/55/PDF/N0170855.pdf?OpenElement

Read 'em and weep, troofers.

 
At 28 June, 2010 16:28, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

" Anonymous said...
Mkay???
What the hell lazuris, you sound like that gay teacher on South park.
Okay is what a man says. Okay?"

"'Mkay" is something you say to retrded children.

'Mkay?

 
At 28 June, 2010 17:13, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Billman get in here. Old laz misspelled retarded. What a fucking idiot, right? Now tell him what you told me, okAY?

 
At 30 June, 2010 13:08, Anonymous Arhoolie Jams Up Sackdoily...again said...

Anything on Karzai's brother being one of the biggest heroin kingpins on earth,Sackpuddle? Just another weird coincidence,Occam's Razor and all,right?

 
At 30 June, 2010 16:19, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Arhoolie Jams Up Sackdoily...again said...
Anything on Karzai's brother being one of the biggest heroin kingpins on earth,Sackpuddle? Just another weird coincidence,Occam's Razor and all,right?"

Um, what?

Can anyone make heads or tails of this lump of nonsense?

 
At 30 June, 2010 16:42, Blogger GuitarBill said...

LL wrote, "...Can anyone make heads or tails of this lump of nonsense?"

He read it on 911flogger; thus, it's true.

%^)

Actually, in the rarefied air that The ArseHooligan breaths, allegations are unimpeachable proof (Witness his steadfast insistence that "Israel has nukes", while he's consistently unable to provide evidence that substantiates his allegations).

In fact, Ahmed Wali Karzai, is on the CIA's payroll. That's undeniably true. The allegations, however, that he may "benefit from the heroin trade," are the subject of heated debate

The New York Times wrote, "...KABUL, Afghanistan — Ahmed Wali Karzai, the brother of the Afghan president and a suspected player in the country’s booming illegal opium trade, gets regular payments from the Central Intelligence Agency, and has for much of the past eight years, according to current and former American officials."

Source: New York Times: Brother of Afghan Leader Said to Be Paid by C.I.A.

While it's true that Ahmed Wali Karzai assisted the CIA and helped "recruit an Afghan paramilitary force that operates at the C.I.A.’s direction in and around the southern city of Kandahar," the allegations of involvement in the heroin trade, however, have never been confirmed.

Always remember, ArseHooligan doesn't need no stinkin' evidence; his opinion is always self-elevated to the level of "proof".

 
At 30 June, 2010 16:48, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Oh, by the way. From the same New York Times article: "...There’s no proof of Ahmed Wali Karzai’s involvement in drug trafficking, certainly nothing that would stand up in court," said one American official familiar with the intelligence.

It's too bad that The ArseHooligan doesn't read The New York Times. After all, he might learn something.

 
At 01 July, 2010 00:55, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

Arseholie's monumental stupidity is also demonstrated by the fact that when the Iranian government arrested the Jundollah leader Abdolmalek Rigi, and said that they had 'proof' he was a CIA agent, he was the only individual even in the window-licking community to believe them.

Funnily enough, the Iranians recently hanged Rigi without putting him on trial, thereby neglecting the opportunity to publicise their 'evidence' of US state terrorism on Iranian soil. Those of us who aren't retarded will not have been that surprised by this outcome.

Still, what do you expect from some loser who's reduced to making pathetic lies about his past (as 'A Real Veteran', or his increasingly tall and self-contradictory boasts about his 'three years in Liverpool and England')? Or about some cretin who thinks you can blow up buildings with non-existent explosives, or that Kiev is in Russia?

 
At 01 July, 2010 13:38, Anonymous Arhoolie on Hammond B-3 said...

"....said one American official who's familiar with the intelligence".HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!! How gullible a bunch of fools is the Debunker Cult? Honestly dudes,you really are fucking cement heads and worthless if you can't acknowledge the deep involvement of the CIA with the importation of hard drugs into this country for many decades now.The evidence is voluminous and was highlighted on the front fucking page of the New York Times when the Iran-Contra Report was released back in the '80's.How do you think Rob and Fawn were able to stay up late shredding all the "evidence"? Go fuck yourselves with a rolled up 9/11 Commission Report by the author Philip Zelikow.

 
At 01 July, 2010 14:13, Blogger GuitarBill said...

ArseHooligan, when will you learn that your opinion is not evidence?

Come back and talk to us when you can pass a formal examination in elementary logic.

 
At 01 July, 2010 16:52, Anonymous Arhoolie Vanunu,Crushing "Git",again said...

For failing to understand that,when reading the New York Times,you need to read between the lines,you win the Cement Head of the Year award,Yuppie Jackoff.The Times tries to play Solomon far too much and is only the paper of record,not the paper of Ultimate Truths.You wouldn't know that because you're sick in the head.

 
At 02 July, 2010 18:35, Anonymous Arhoolie V. said...

When you finish flogging your hog to your Johnny Rotten poster type in "Undercover of the Night" by the Stones,Rentboy in Sashes.You are as dense as they come,you worm.

 
At 03 July, 2010 09:11, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The ArseHooligan dissembles, "...For failing to understand that,when reading the New York Times,you need to read between the lines,you win the Cement Head of the Year award,Yuppie Jackoff.The Times tries to play Solomon far too much and is only the paper of record,not the paper of Ultimate Truths."

Trying to elevate your worthless opinion to the level of evidence, ArseHooligan?

When will you learn that your opinion is not evidence?

Get back to us when you can pass a formal examination in elementary logic, cretin.

And while you're at it, tell us, why do you studiously avoid the content of the following post?

Source: SLC: Fly ash is the primary component of lightweight concrete.

You're in deep trouble, because I OWN your ass. And don't forget to tell your man, Steven Jones, that I just blew a hole a mile wide in his alleged "dust sample analysis".

Now, bow to your master.

Have a nice day, ArseHooligan (you know the translation).

 
At 05 July, 2010 01:57, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

GB, there's not much to be said about Arseholie. There's a certain desperation about his claims about his past that would be funny if it didn't mask the tragedy of an empty and wasted life.

I mean, I've met some real Walter Mittys in my time, but never someone who invented bullshit stories about their playboy existence in ... erm ... New Cross. Arseholie's posts are truly almost epically retarded.

 
At 06 July, 2010 16:59, Anonymous Arhoolie "Solitary" Vanunu said...

Poor Sackdoily,when a fish 'n chipper rots it rots from the head down and the smell is God awful.

 
At 06 July, 2010 17:02, Anonymous Arhoolie "Solitary" Vanunu said...

Poor desperate Sackdoily the tipsy hack! Bonding with your fellow wackjob,the teetotaling (!!) Yuppie Plomker,is about all you got.Great Caesar's Ghost,Chief!!

 
At 06 July, 2010 18:10, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Arhoolie "Solitary" Vanunu said...
Poor desperate Sackdoily the tipsy hack! Bonding with your fellow wackjob,the teetotaling (!!) Yuppie Plomker,is about all you got.Great Caesar's Ghost,Chief!!"

Why does the comparison rant against the freed postscript? The stack steals a trivial injustice below the anagram, and the going diagnosis stresses the mole with the fallen verdict.

 
At 07 July, 2010 00:57, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

Got any more stories to tell us about Southport and New Cross, Walt? Or about your dancer girlfriend, and the son born in 1995 (or was it 1997)?

Come on, Walt, let's have some more laughs at your expense:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8Rd8KfltnE

 
At 07 July, 2010 10:42, Anonymous Arhoolie V. on Hammond B-3 said...

Watching the Debunker Cult fall apart in sections is truly alarming.Or hilarious,I can't figure it out.

 
At 07 July, 2010 22:46, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

Walt, I've found a friend for you. He's a social failure and a serial fantasist like yourself, and finally you might actually lose your cherry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Shortt

 
At 08 July, 2010 17:03, Anonymous Arhoolie "Solitary" Vanunu said...

Do yourself a favor,Moldboy,and type "Joe Louis" into youtube.com and watch how his opponents went down in sections like sacks of potatoes.That's what you morons look like as you take a battering and defend positions like:"Hitler was a Commie" or "Israel has no nuclear weapons" or "The 9/11 Commission Report wasn't commandeered by a Bush insider" or "the microspheres were created by the workers on the pile" or "there were no explosions" (thanks Pornboy!) or "Jennings wasn't a truther" or "the dust samples were fabricated to implicate the CIA et al." (ga hey Sackdoily you insane sot) or "Saddam was a real threat to the USA and Iraq was crawling with WMD's or they were spirited to Syria".There's no end to bullshit circle jerking in an insane cult,as you jackoffs prove day in and day out.And all for the love of honest inquiry,right Paddy,you spineless wreck.

 
At 10 July, 2010 05:51, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

Actually, Walt, I've suddenly realised that there's a crucial difference between you and James Shortt. You may both be blatant fantasists, but at least Shortt can write.

 

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