Monday, June 14, 2010

Debunk This, My Aunt Petunia



This is a series that's getting a fair amount of attention from the Truthers, which goes through fluoride in the drinking water, FEMA death camps, Tim McVeigh, etc. This episode is on the 9-11 Commission and contains the usual quote mining of John Farmer, Tom Kean, Tim Roemer and others, with the predictable conclusion that "we need another investigation."

Of course, the video ignores the fact that the lies the military told to the Commission go against the most popular conspiracy theories. The military tried to claim that it knew about the hijacked planes (especially Flight 93) before it actually did. The video also ignores that the Commission discovered the lies before issuing its report, and, as John Farmer said in an interview:

John Farmer- Well, let me just say that I think the [9-11 Commission] report is, uh, extremely accurate, and- and sets forth the facts of 9/11. And we actually did point out in the report the discrepancies between the accounts that were given and what we actually found.


You won't see Change Duh Channel mining that quote anytime soon.

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53 Comments:

At 14 June, 2010 14:57, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great video. Anyone ever find out who owned that truck?

 
At 14 June, 2010 16:05, Blogger Triterope said...

I love how this video, and the material therein, is directed at "debunkers."

Not Congress.

Not the World Court.

Not the United Nations.

Not any law enforcement authority.

Hell, they're not even bothering with the petition drive this time.

No, it's all about sticking it to the debunkers. Because that's what's really important, right?

Once again we see how 9-11 Truth has shriveled into an Internet-only entity. Apparently we're the only ones who'll even listen to their shit anymore.

 
At 14 June, 2010 16:35, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whats wrong?
Not having fun anymore battling the crazies? You bitches moan when were here and you whine when were gone.

 
At 14 June, 2010 16:41, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...Whats wrong?"

Who said anything was wrong, ArseHooligan?

Why do you persist in pulling shit out of your ass, attributing that shit to others, and then attacking us?

That said, intellectual honesty is not your strong suit, is it, cretin?

And remember, I'm just askin' questions...

 
At 14 June, 2010 16:50, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you cant tell my writings from the great arhoolie, I wonder what else you could be wrong about. But i`ll take it as a compliment anyways.

 
At 14 June, 2010 17:08, Blogger GuitarBill said...

And why should I believe anything that emanates from the maw of a compulsive liar, ArseHooligan?

And remember, cretin, I'm just askin' questions...

 
At 14 June, 2010 17:33, Blogger Triterope said...

Not having fun anymore battling the crazies?

No, and your stupid comment is a perfect example of why.

Whats wrong?

When did I say anything was wrong? Your comment makes no sense.

You see, when I say something, and you say something back to me, I have some expectation that your comment is going to be somewhat related to my comment. Then, hopefully, a conversation will ensue, which will contain meaning. That's a big part of what constitutes "fun" for me. Talking to you is like asking math questions to a bingo machine.

You're not a Truther, and you're not even a good troller. You're an annoying waste of space, and I wish you would just fuck off.

 
At 14 June, 2010 18:59, Anonymous Marc said...

Yes it's directed at the debunkers. We spoil all the fun. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom FROM speech. You need to be able to back up your claim, no matter what it is, and the troofers can't. All that science and all of those darned facts are getting in the way of their crap-science and out-of-context facts.

We all a bunch of killjoys.

 
At 14 June, 2010 20:14, Anonymous paul w said...

"Apparently we're the only ones who'll even listen to their shit anymore"
Triterope

My god, you're right.

I have to ask myself why, and for how much linger.

Really, unless Jon Gold produces a funny-as-fuck video of his court appearance, this lark starts to lose its point.

 
At 14 June, 2010 20:18, Anonymous paul w said...

how much linger? Nope.
how much larger? Nope.
how much longer....ah, that's the one!

 
At 14 June, 2010 22:12, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Of course, the video ignores the fact that the lies the military told to the Commission go against the most popular conspiracy theories.

You ignore the fact that the "lies" that the military told the Commission are illogical and make no sense.

Griffin:

If this new story is true, the fact that it puts the military in a much better light has a staggering implication: Everyone in the military—from those in the Pentagon's National Military Command Center (NMCC), under which NORAD operates, to both high-level officers and lower-level employees at NEADS and in NORAD more generally, to pilots and other subordinates—who knew the true course of events, whether from direct experience or from listening to the tapes, kept quiet about the inaccuracies in NORAD's timeline, even though they knew that the true story would put the military in a better light, virtually removing the possibility that it had stood down its defenses. Why would they do this?

So you jokesters...why would they tell a lie that would make them appear to have had more time to respond than they really did?

Explabe that one away without hiding behind the usual insults.

 
At 14 June, 2010 22:15, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If our military had been guilty only of confusion and incompetence on 9/11, it would have been strange for its officials, by saying that they had been notified by the FAA earlier than they really had, to open themselves to the charge that they had deliberately not intercepted the hijacked airliners. We are being asked to believe, in other words, that Scott, Arnold, and the others, in telling the earlier story, acted in a completely irrational manner—that they, while being guilty only of confusion and perhaps a little incompetence, told a he that could have led to charges of murder and treason.

 
At 14 June, 2010 22:18, Blogger Billman said...

Of course, the video ignores the fact that the lies the military told to the Commission go against the most popular conspiracy theories.

You ignore the fact that the "lies" that the military told the Commission are illogical and make no sense.


Which "lies" are you referring to, exactly? You may want to mention the specifics before generalizing, next time.



Griffin:

If this new story is true, the fact that it puts the military in a much better light has a staggering implication: Everyone in the military—from those in the Pentagon's National Military Command Center (NMCC), under which NORAD operates, to both high-level officers and lower-level employees at NEADS and in NORAD more generally, to pilots and other subordinates—who knew the true course of events, whether from direct experience or from listening to the tapes, kept quiet about the inaccuracies in NORAD's timeline, even though they knew that the true story would put the military in a better light, virtually removing the possibility that it had stood down its defenses. Why would they do this?



So you jokesters...why would they tell a lie that would make them appear to have had more time to respond than they really did?

Well, obviously so they can paint 1000lbs of thermite onto columns in 3 WTC buildings, and then blow them up in a false flag attack. You so got us all. THIS WAS THE KEY THING THE NWO WAS HIDING FOR SO LONG!

Explabe that one away without hiding behind the usual insults.

I'll do my best to "explabe" it to you, once I figure out what "explabe" means.

 
At 14 June, 2010 22:22, Blogger Billman said...

If our military had been guilty only of confusion and incompetence on 9/11, it would have been strange for its officials, by saying that they had been notified by the FAA earlier than they really had, to open themselves to the charge that they had deliberately not intercepted the hijacked airliners.

They were slow also. For example, the planes sent to intercept Flight 11 where launched after it already crashed.

We are being asked to believe, in other words, that Scott, Arnold, and the others, in telling the earlier story, acted in a completely irrational manner—that they, while being guilty only of confusion and perhaps a little incompetence, told a he that could have led to charges of murder and treason.

You know, YouTube has some NON-conspiracy videos about 9/11.

Look up the 4 parts of "Zero Hour." It's a pretty damn good documentary about 9/11. Also, check out The Naudet brother's documentary.

All insults aside, those documentaries made me relive my own experiences of what that day felt like.

 
At 14 June, 2010 22:58, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Paul W: "My god, you're right.

I have to ask myself why, and for how much linger.

Really, unless Jon Gold produces a funny-as-fuck video of his court appearance, this lark starts to lose its point."


I thought about hiring a guy in a trench coat and a suit to shadow Jon through the whole trial just to make him think he was really important enough to have the NWO stalking him. But then I decided that only about 10 of us would find it funny and then for only a little while so I decided to buy a nice bottle of wine instead.

 
At 15 June, 2010 03:10, Anonymous Anonymous said...

stupid ""israel did 911" twoofer refuses police returning his confiscated property including computers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsgQHQTylms

this kook harasses jews in perth, australia. he even claims jews bombed dresden,germany. in 1945!.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSKaTIm_sPE

WHAT A DUMB KUNT!

israel did 911 street activism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB2x2H-YZaA

 
At 15 June, 2010 05:18, Anonymous chakka said...

so we've confirmed on all sides that the military lied over and over again regarding the events, and this confirms the official version of events how????

 
At 15 June, 2010 08:15, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'so we've confirmed on all sides that the military lied over and over again regarding the events, and this confirms the official version of events how????'

The only point you demonstrate with that comment is that you have the reading skills of a brain-damaged chimpanzee.

 
At 15 June, 2010 09:46, Anonymous nwoisbunk said...

ChangedaChannel? Yeah. He blocked me on YouTube.

 
At 15 June, 2010 10:33, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The SEC responded:

This letter is in response to your request seeking access to and copies of the documentary evidence referred to in footnote 130 of Chapter 5 of the September 11 (9/11) Commission Report.

***

We have been advised that the potentially responsive records have been destroyed.

 
At 15 June, 2010 10:37, Anonymous Anonymous said...

'so we've confirmed on all sides that the military lied over and over again regarding the events, and this confirms the official version of events how????'

But if the Military lied to you before, why would you believe them now regarding 9/11 or fir that matter anything?

Sackcloth you idiot, if you catch your wife in bed with the repairman, are you going to trust her again?

Well YOU probably would!!!

 
At 15 June, 2010 13:03, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'Sackcloth you idiot, if you catch your wife in bed with the repairman, are you going to trust her again?'

Mmmm, yes, talking of troofers and marital happiness, do the names Richard Gage and Kevin Barrett ring a bell?

I think the best guarantee that your missues gets boned by someone else is to sign up to 9/11 conspiracy shit. It's a good option if you want to remain celibate for the rest of your life.

 
At 15 June, 2010 14:20, Blogger adkinsra said...

弱者困於環境,智者利用環境~~加油!.........................

 
At 15 June, 2010 14:20, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your non-response was a not so cleaver dodging if the question.

So I'll repeat

...if you catch your wife in bed with the repairman, are you going to trust her again?

 
At 15 June, 2010 14:34, Blogger GuitarBill said...

ArseHooligan dissembles, "...Your non-response was a not so cleaver dodging if the question."

What's the matter, cretin?

Does it upset you when your tactics are used against you?

Piss off, hypocrite!

 
At 15 June, 2010 16:29, Blogger Triterope said...

ChangedaChannelblocked me on YouTube.

Clearly, he wanted you to change the channel.

 
At 15 June, 2010 17:38, Blogger Billman said...


But if the Military lied to you before, why would you believe them now regarding 9/11 or fir that matter anything?


Fine. Let's say the Military has always lied about everything ever. No surprise, really. They always lied to us about pulling into port in Austrailia.

But how does the military lying HAVE to equal 9/11 was an inside job? Or LIHOP, or whatever else?

How does this prove the U.S. had any involvement?

 
At 15 June, 2010 19:10, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"How does this prove the U.S. had any involvement?"

Because....because....because......


BOOOOOSSSSHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

 
At 15 June, 2010 21:47, Anonymous Anonymous said...

One of the more prominent members of We Are Change NYC an activist group heavily involved with 9/11 truth and spreading information about the New World Order conspiracy is an admitted freemason. In a short documentary film specifically dedicated to covering the activities We Are Change NYC entitled Truth to Power, We Are Change member Craig Fitzgerald admits to being a part of the centuries old secretive order. Approximately seven minutes into the film, Fitzgerald brags about being a member of the secretive group but then goes on to talk about how the Bilderberg group and the Council on Foreign Relations are bad because they conduct business in secret. It is a complete insult to the viewers intelligence as Fitzgerald who admits to being a member of a secret society tries to make people believe that the Bilderberg group and other associated geopolitical based think tanks and organizations are the ones really running the show. Even stranger is why other members of We Are Change don’t seem to have issues with a member of their group who proudly admits to being a freemason. After all, isn’t We Are Change supposed to be against secretive groups? When analyzing this at face value, does this really make any sort of sense?

Read more here http://crotchshotradio.com/2010/06/12/a-freemason-in-we-are-change-nyc/

 
At 16 June, 2010 02:36, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'Your non-response was a not so cleaver (sic) dodging if the question.'

What makes you think I should treat 9/11 bullshit as anything other than a joke?

 
At 16 June, 2010 02:51, Anonymous papooki said...

hey pat, or LL, or billy (guitar or otherwise) get a load of this SEC: Government destroyed evidence related to pre-911 put options

 
At 16 June, 2010 06:39, Blogger GuitarBill said...

More bullshit, ArseHooligan?

Quote mining again--you sorry sack-of-shit?

So, tell us, Mister Intellectual Honesty, why did you omit the following paragraph?

"...TD Waterhouse says they handled approximately 3 percent of the initial orders for "puts" on American Airline stock. The company says it has looked at the orders and has determined no evidence of any suspicious activity."

Misrepresenting your sources again, "truther"?

When will you learn that you can't fool your moral and intellectual superiors, cocksucker?

And remember, cretin, I'm just askin' questions...

And now, allow me to give you a conservative estimate of your IQ:


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At 16 June, 2010 08:48, Blogger Billman said...

Thanks, GuitarBill, you beat me to it.

hey pat, or LL, or billy (guitar or otherwise) get a load of this SEC: Government destroyed evidence related to pre-911 put options

ZOMG! You're right! INSIDE JOBBY JOB!!!!!

 
At 16 June, 2010 08:56, Blogger Billman said...

This comment has been removed by the author.

 
At 16 June, 2010 08:59, Blogger Billman said...

Heh, wow. You guys will stop at nothing to blatanly mislabled everything on the internet.

 
At 16 June, 2010 10:15, Anonymous Arhoolie vanunu said...

Seems that the Nutty Yuppie from California suffers from English Sackmuffin's Disease.This is the affliction where crazy people suppose they have divining powers and can guess which "anonymous" is which.As I haven't been near a computer in many days it's hilarious that the Insane Plucker is now addressing me while answering various anonymi!!! I know you miss your daily ass whuppings,Dogboy,but really,you need to have your head examined.Did something explode in your medulla? What about that R&R in Kiev,Russia I suggested? Poor,poor pitiful wedding hack.

 
At 16 June, 2010 10:20, Blogger GuitarBill said...

That's right, ArseHooligan, change the subject.

What's the matter, scumbag? Are you upset because I caught you quote mining again?

And remember, Pinocchio, I'm just askin' questions...

 
At 16 June, 2010 15:23, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

Bear in mind that Arseholie - who created a sockpuppet in which he pretended to be an OIF veteran, and who concocted a fake story about living in the UK for three years (including an imaginary girlfriend, and an imaginary baby boy born in Southport in 1995 - or was it 1997?) - thinks that he's the sane one on this net.

He's not a Walter Mitty-style fantasist. No sir. Not. At. All.

 
At 16 June, 2010 15:25, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'What about that R&R in Kiev,Russia I suggested?'

Kiev is the capital of Ukraine, you stupid little twat. In case you haven't noticed, Ukraine has been an independent country since December 1991.

 
At 17 June, 2010 10:41, Anonymous Arhoolie Vanunu said...

The poor,poor pitiful Nutty Professor from Crime Central! He knows all about jive ass bullshit like the Stranglers and the Sex Pistols and all that other drivel but he don't even know the lyrics to "Undercover of the Night" by the Stones.Pop 20p in a jukebox and get hip,you spineless,dipsomaniac hack.

 
At 17 June, 2010 10:45, Anonymous Arhoolie Vanunu said...

The Nutty Professor knows all about bar bands like the Stranglers and the Sex Pistols but a reference to the great Stones song flies right over his bar stool.It's called "Undercover of the Night",you whiskey soaked,rotten fanged whackjob.

 
At 18 June, 2010 01:12, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

Wow, Walt. Even by your standards, that's pure drivel. Have you been at the Thunderbird again?

Tell us some more stories about your time in Britain in 1995 (or was it 1997?). I'm sure that after a few more shots of the hard stuff you could come up with some more good yarns.

 
At 18 June, 2010 15:17, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

Sakdoily,dead in the water and still spittling wildly.

 
At 18 June, 2010 15:49, Anonymous Arhoolie Vanunu said...

Correction:Drivel,that's the stuff you eat and drink for breakfast,lunch and dinner at the Propaganda Diner.Kiev,Russia:that's the place even Mick and Keith say troglodytes like you go for R 'n R.,Jackoff.

 
At 19 June, 2010 10:33, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'Kiev,Russia'.

Ukraine, numbnuts, Ukraine. It happens to be the capital of that particular country, and has been so since December 1991. But then you were stupid enough to think that Reagan was President in September 1980, so I know full well that educating someone as retarded as you is a hard task.

Maybe after a few shots of the hard stuff you can invent some stories about your time in 'Kiev, Russia' as well, complete with imaginary girlfriends and children sired. I'm sure you can convince yourself that it would be as real as 'A Real Veteran', and that you're not just a complete social inadequate with few brain cells and no prospects.

 
At 19 June, 2010 12:06, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Why would anyone go to Kiev?

If you must go to Russia for "R&R", go to Sochi (Сочи) in Krasnodar Krai, Russia. The view of the Black Sea is spectacular.

 
At 20 June, 2010 10:44, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'If you must go to Russia for "R&R", go to Sochi (Сочи) in Krasnodar Krai, Russia. The view of the Black Sea is spectacular.'

It's a little too close to Abkhazia for my taste, GB.

But I'd love to send Walt to Tsinkhvali or Grozny. I'm sure the locals will have fun with him, and he may even get laid for the first time in his life. His arsehole will be as wide as the Salang Tunnel at the end of it, though.

 
At 20 June, 2010 15:52, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

This just in:"Sackdoily comes out of the closet!!". Or else he's into rape and knows where to get hammered best.Ah,the Moldy Perfesser sure is a tough guy.And he knows the names of all the pubs in Shitty Grimey!!!! "One more liter,mateys,on me!".

 
At 21 June, 2010 05:29, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

'This just in:"Sackdoily comes out of the closet!!". Or else he's into rape and knows where to get hammered best.'

Arseholie demonstrates yet again that he has the reading skills of a brain-damaged chimp.

'Ah,the Moldy Perfesser sure is a tough guy.And he knows the names of all the pubs in Shitty Grimey!!!! "One more liter,mateys,on me!".'

Here's a top-top for you, Walt. A freebie from me for the next time you try and make up stories about your past. You know Dick van Dyke's character in 'Mary Poppins'? Well, we don't actually sound like him when we talk. But then you'd realise that if you'd actually spent some time in London as you claim.

Found the evidence on Rigi yet?

 
At 21 June, 2010 11:54, Anonymous Arhoolie McVitie said...

Too many moldy carpets,diesel fumes and drinks orgies have left the Sackshlumpf dizzy and delerious.

 
At 22 June, 2010 03:52, Anonymous sackcloth and ashes said...

Is that all you can say for yourself, Walt? No more bullshit about non-existent explosives, non-existent plots, non-existent girlfriends and non-existent children?

What a sad pathetic waste of oxygen and DNA you are.

 
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At 24 June, 2010 13:10, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

Actuall,I was talking about your sorry ass,Moldboy with the Rotting Fangs.All you can do is make up shit as you throw yet anither hand onto the crapped out pile.Ol'Iron Butt from the UK.,not with a bang,but with a whimper he's outta here!

 

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