Monday, June 07, 2010

Yeah, We Got to Mahmoud

Heheh, the world's most famous 9-11 Truther joins the dark side:

Ahmadinejad Stresses Need for New World Order


Hat Tip: Commenter Gost. Great find!

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At 08 June, 2010 00:22, Anonymous Anonymous said...

dipshits galore; if you have to ask it means you......

 
At 08 June, 2010 00:32, Blogger xu said...

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At 08 June, 2010 00:59, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...Ahmadinejad Stresses Need for New World Order."

%^)

Ahmadinejad???

Really? No kidding?

Obviously, the translation of the headline is in error, and should read:

"...Ahmadinejad Stresses Need for New World Odor."

After all, consider the source.

 
At 08 June, 2010 05:49, Anonymous chester copperpott said...

I confess that I like Rachel Maddow more than most Republicans. I like that lady a lot. She has brains. She also did a recent segment on how the same al Qaeda operatives keep getting captured and "re-captured" and killed and "re-killed". http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/37459126#37459126

MY PREVIOUS COMMENTARIES AND MY VIEWS ON 9/11 AND CONSPIRACY THEORIES

First, I don't get into the bilderberger or illuminati stuff. I never have and I never will. I don't believe there is one guy sitting on top of a throne somewhere - e.g. a Rothschild - running everything from behind some curtain. I fall into the category of believing in bureaucratic bungling, ineptitude, misfeasance, and error. And that's not to say that everybody in a bureaucracy is part of some sinister plot. You have good people and bad people in every organization.

Just like there are many conservatives with diverse views, there are also many "9/11 Truthers" with diverse views. They can't all be lumped into one category. I've been gradually leading up to this post. Let's start with with the definition of truth.


Conformity with fact or reality.

I haven't a clue how anybody could disagree with the pursuit of truth. As one could tell that I am pre-occupied with economics by reading my archives, it isn't my usual foray to be posting or writing things about 9/11. In response to the fact that I have had intel agencies crawling my site, I felt compelled to post something about this subject since my guess is that somebody is doing "homework" on me. (I even had a visit to my site from..."smartdevil".) See the notes section at the bottom of the following: http://www.webcommentary.com/php/ShowArticle.php?id=andersonm&date=100526 So, I came "out of the closet."

 
At 08 June, 2010 05:49, Anonymous chester copperpott said...

Since then, I have posted a few more videos (e.g. of Governor Jesse Ventura and Lou Dobbs) and links to mainstream news articles. When it comes to the issue of 9/11, I agree that this should not be the locus of political discourse. That said - like many other prominent people - I do believe that there should be another objective investigation into the events of that day.

Lou Dobbs has called for another investigation, former members of the 9/11 Commission have called for a new investigation, Senator Max Cleland (Senator Reid supporter) has questions about the original inquiry, and my former Governor Jesse Ventura would like to see another investigation. I know there are some former intelligence officials, such as Tony Shaffer, who would like to see another investigation.

My purpose in posting some of those videos was to 1)Insulate myself from the charge that I am the only "nut" who would like to see an objective investigation and 2)Lay the groundwork for a thesis I am going to construct that suggests the problem might be a certain country with the initials S.A.

Like I stated above, there is diversity amongst "9/11 Truthers". This is an issue where I disagree with Wayne Allyn Root, Governor Jesse Ventura, and Alex Jones. Wayne Allyn Root says forget about 9/11 entirely. If we don't have all of the answers, how are we to prevent a repeat? Governor Ventura and Alex Jones represent the "inside job" wing. I belong to neither of those two camps. One extreme says forget about it, and the other extreme says Bush knew, or Bush did it.

Let's take the official story at face value. It was a conspiracy. Mother nature didn't cause that horrific event to happen. Conspiracies are real. The usual refrain is that if there was something more behind 9/11, then everybody would had to have known. But, if 19 people could have pulled it off, then I don't see why 19 people connected to some part of a government couldn't have pulled it off (in fact, I'll say it's the same 19 people the government says).

The mistake that people make is conflating two separate investigations with one another. That's a flawed methodology. One investigation has to do with the method of the perpetrators and the other has to do with the identity of the perpetrators. If we know a knife was used in a crime, this doesn't tell us who "dunnit". Once we find out who "dunnit", that isn't necessarily the end of the story. Perhaps they were hired by somebody.

There are people quarreling over whether or not there was a controlled demolition and whether or not a plane hit the Pentagon. I don't get into any of that. The method is entirely inconsequential. I also accept the fact that 9/11 happened as the government says it happened (i.e. it was carried out by the perpetrators the government has identified). But, here's my question: Could the perpetrators have been working for somebody else? I don't know.

It's my personal belief that if one does their research, there is sufficient reason to believe that a country with the initials S.A. should be scrutinized more carefully. And here are some articles for your consideration.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,93139,00.html That's FOX News.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/11/23/saudi.fbi.911/ That's CNN.

http://www.newsweek.com/2001/09/14/alleged-hijackers-may-have-trained-at-u-s-bases.html That's Newsweek. They came over from Saudi Arabia.

 
At 08 June, 2010 05:50, Anonymous chester copperpott said...

Also, in 2004, a news story broke that garnered very little attention because two big events were taking place right around the same time. One was the Democratic National Convention and the other was the Republican National Convention. In short, the story was buried. The Saudi Arabian government was offering amnesty to terrorists, including somebody by the name of Al-Harby who was the one sitting adjacent to bin Laden in bin Laden's confession video. See: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5430560 That's MSNBC. But, notice this gem from the story:


Al-Watan reported on Friday that authorities had given al-Harby’s wife Saudi nationality — her original nationality was unclear.

The unidentified woman was also given a one-time payment of 20,000 riyals — equivalent to $5,300 — and promised monthly payments of 3,000 riyals, or $800, apparently to cover her living expenses, the paper reported.


Now, tell me there's nothing suspicious there. Is there a reason why the U.S. government hasn't asked the Saudi government to turn him over in order to place him under the hot light while asking him a few questions?

And then there's Fatima Bhutto, whom I read. She's very anti-jihad. In one of her commentaries, she made an interesting statement re: the funding of the radicals in Pakistan. See: http://www.newstatesman.com/asia/2010/02/pakistan-afghanistan-taliban

 
At 08 June, 2010 05:50, Anonymous chester copperpott said...

Myth 1. Pakistan was created so fundamentalist Muslims - and no one else - would have a country of their own to call home.
In his address to the constituent assembly of Pakistan on 11 August 1947, three days before the country's independence was to be celebra­ted, Muhammad Ali Jinnah called for liberty in the new nation. "You are free. You are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place of worship in this state of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed - that has nothing to do with the business of the state."

Moral of the story? Religious extremists are made, not born. You can thank General Zia ul-Haq, our pro-Islamist president from 1977-88, and his financial backers Mrs Thatcher and Mr Reagan for that. What you have today is not how it's always been. It is said that the indigenous inhabitants of Sindh, one of the four provinces of Pakistan, were the Dravidians. Then came the Aryans. Then the Arabs. And it was with them - pardon the rush through thousands of years of history - that Islam, and Sufi Islam, came to our lands.

Today, the struggle for the soul of Pakistani Islam is being fought between the qawwali- singing, tolerant Sufis and the puritanical Wah­habi Muslim sect, which has been supported for years with funding from orthodox Sunni Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states.


So, let's agree that 9/11 took place exactly as described. My question: Is it not possible the perpetrators were tied to some element of some government somewhere? I believe so much of what the government does fuels conspiracy theories. All I have are questions. Let's lay conspiracy theories to rest once and for all with an objective investigation, and that's my position.

I must also add that, as one who received the anthrax vaccine, I have followed the work of Dr. Len Horowitz for the last decade. I don't agree with him on everything, but he's very good on vaccines and did a great job exposing the dangers of the anthrax vaccine over a decade ago. Because of that, I was tuned into what he was saying. He was one of the first to posit the theory that the anthrax attack was an inside job - which he was correct about (and it wasn't the entire government, but one guy). He also stated that he believed the person responsible would be nexused with the production of the anthrax vaccine itself. Unfortunately, he hit the nail squarely on the head. That's why many of us in the anti-anthrax vaccination movement have paid attention to that issue and suspected that for so long. It's not fun having to believe people in your government would do such a thing.

Let me just say that when you have to walk around suspecting something that horrible about your government, it's not a huge leap to believe the government could be involved in more sinister things (e.g. 9/11 being an inside job, which I don't believe). I'm not in a position to say whether or not the recent FBI report on this matter is right or wrong (there are many prominent skeptics), but I will say that its recent release provided me with a sense of closure on a lot of issues. You feel like there is a God and there is at least one bureaucracy doing its job. There's also a sense of vindication, since people thought you were "nuts" for so long. And it helps lay to rest some of the beliefs about the more sinister things you believe the government could be involved in. So, I'm now done writing about 9/11.

 
At 08 June, 2010 06:15, Blogger Billman said...

But but.. Iran is the land of rainbows and awesome! Their president is a great man because he thinks 9/11 was an inside jobby job! This article challenges my beliefs, therefore it MUST be an NWO disinfo cointelpro!

Stupid troofers...

 
At 08 June, 2010 06:17, Blogger Billman said...

Hey Chester, I respect your veiws, but what is it you think a new investigation will find that the previous one did not?

 
At 08 June, 2010 07:09, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"chester copperpott said...
I confess that I like Rachel Maddow more than most Republicans."

Wait.

Rachel Madcow is a Republican???????????

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

The one who helped destroy Air America? That Republican???????????

HAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!

The one who rants and raves on PMSNBC? That Republican???????????

The reactionary leftist hate filled creature who has the sense of an ameoba and fewer viewers that reruns of "I Love Lucy"? That Republican???????????

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!

oh fuck.....stop it, my stomach hurts from laughing?


This is a Klue™ tha you can safely ignore the rest of this creatures insane rantings.

 
At 08 June, 2010 11:50, Anonymous troyfromwv said...

Hmmmm....

In the 2nd Round of the 2010 MLB Draft, Pat's Arizona Diamondbacks selected James Bradley from right here in Nitro, WV.

Coincidence???

 
At 08 June, 2010 12:48, Blogger Billman said...

Somewhere, Arhoolie and Anonymous #2's Troy radar is beeping bat-shittingly crazy... here comes the off topic ad-homs and child abusing accusastions.

 
At 08 June, 2010 12:59, Anonymous troyfromwv said...

I think that CPS report shut the kooks up. (I had been holding that for so long. Felt good to finally bring it public.)

And in another dismal defeat for 9/11 truth, yours truly was given a surprise drug test this morning. Clean, of course.

I would also like to spam my latest video taking shots at Putnam County WV's current prosecuting attorney who will be running for Governor in 2012.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp-cjjCmqGc

 
At 08 June, 2010 13:22, Anonymous Pat Cowardly's Buddy said...

"Fuck America"
-Troy Sexton

 
At 08 June, 2010 13:26, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"I'm a moron!"

-Pat Cowardly's Buddy

 
At 08 June, 2010 14:24, Blogger Billman said...

Aren't the troofers basically saying "Fuck America" by supporting these 9/11 theories? They're so vehement against any form of government (except the post office, maybe)... so its contradictory.

 
At 08 June, 2010 14:29, Anonymous Pat Idolizes Lazarus said...

"will you please come over and fuck my sister?"
-Billman

 
At 08 June, 2010 14:38, Blogger Billman said...

Heh, I guess Arhoolie is upset that he can't post under our names directly as a sockpuppet anymore.

Although, to be fair, I think I have said that phrase very sarcasticly in the past. So technically he is qouting me accurately, albiet out of context.

 
At 08 June, 2010 14:59, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Billman wrote, "...Heh, I guess Arhoolie is upset that he can't post under our names directly as a sockpuppet anymore."

The ArseHooligan is livid because I caught him lying again.

%^)

Poor schmuck, he just can't seem to get a break lately.

 
At 08 June, 2010 15:32, Blogger 俊蘇宏 said...

當一個人內心能容納兩樣相互衝突的東西,這個人便開始變得有價值了。...........................................................................

 
At 08 June, 2010 15:45, Blogger Billman said...

That's some pretty good work, GuitarBill. I didn't know Jennings said those things. As far as I know is how the troofers portray him like he was one their own. I swear, I get more furious with Dylan Avery's petulance, and those that suck his cock for every lie he says, with each passing day.

 
At 08 June, 2010 17:06, Blogger ConsDemo said...

chester copperpott said...In response to the fact that I have had intel agencies crawling my site

Yes, no doubt. All twoofers claim the NWO is hot on their trail, but let me ask

1. How do you "know" intel agencies have been "crawling my site"?
2. what makes you think you are so important they would be interested in you.

 
At 08 June, 2010 17:14, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The conditions we are experiencing today need planning for new orders in the world and (our) cooperation and co-thinking for organizing the conditions"
---Ahmadinejad

"The international order we seek is one that can resolve the challenges of our times"
---Obama, May 23, 2010

Question to GuitarBill and all the rest of you looney tunes on this site. Our differences aside for the moment, don't you find this rather odd? ....that everyone from the Rubublicans to the Democrats to the Iranians are calling for a New World Order, or some version play on that name, International Order, etc.

I mean, after all these years and all that has been written and discussed, you would think that those words carry quite a bit of baggage by now....right?

Don't you find it at least Odd? I mean, are you just going to dismiss it all as meaningless?

 
At 08 June, 2010 17:34, Blogger Billman said...

Not sure about Mr. Iran President's comment, but I'm pretty sure the Obama one is taken out of context.

If not, then yes, I'd be distrubed if he's honestly saying he wants to shoot for some kind of New World Order. But I don't see how being a dick to ABC news as they interview you about your little cut and paste fantasy documentary, and having your fan boys come to this blog to call everyone a "looney toon", is really gonna stop it from happening.

 
At 08 June, 2010 17:36, Blogger Billman said...

Besides, don't you troofers constantly claim that "we are in on it" here at this blog? Its unusual for you to, gasp, recognize that we may be actual humans that just don't agree 9/11 was a false flag. Kudos to you for that sane moment.

 
At 08 June, 2010 18:32, Blogger Triterope said...

don't you find this rather odd? ....that everyone from the Rubublicans to the Democrats to the Iranians are calling for a New World Order.

Sure, if you can overlook the fact that Obama didn't use two of the three words in "new world order." Clearly, you can.

 
At 08 June, 2010 19:08, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

" don't you find this rather odd?"

No.

Utopians of all stripes want a "new world order", preferably with them weilding the whip, in or to bring perfect order to the world.

Which means that utopians of all stripes have either a very fragile or non-existant grip on reality.

Sorta like truthers.

 
At 08 June, 2010 19:08, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

In order to,,,,

 
At 08 June, 2010 22:17, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Utopians of all stripes want a "new world order", preferably with them weilding the whip, in or to bring perfect order to the world.

Utopians? ??? Oh I suppose in Lazarus Long's fantasy world that is supposed to apply to what he precieves to mean the Left: Obama and then of course Ahmadinejad.....................as as if New Work Order has not been repeated fifty seven times by right wingers like George H.W. Bush? How about that the war-criminal himself Henry Kissinger cannot go two and a half sentences without preaching about NWO.

You want me to start digging out all the quotes?

I just find it really odd that after all the bad press that term has gotten and all the creepy things it conjures up, it is still used quite frequently by the right, the left and even Iran?

Surely Obama, Kissinger, Ahmadinejad, Bush and many many more are aware of the baggage that term carries with it?

I mean it's spliting hairs to argue about variations on the theme, New World Order, International Order, "new orders in the world" as Ahmadinejad worded it....it all means the same thing...

Don't you find that really strange? I sure as hell do.

 
At 08 June, 2010 22:23, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sure, if you can overlook the fact that Obama didn't use two of the three words in "new world order." Clearly, you can.

New World Order and International Order are the same term.

Should we not be asking what these men mean by this term?

And how do you feel about the Bilderberger Group? How does it sit with you that American politicians, military leaders and business leaders meet on private behind closed doors with all these foreign counterparts. Stopping short of drawing conclusions, doesn't that at least raise an eyebrow?

 
At 08 June, 2010 22:30, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Besides, don't you troofers constantly claim that "we are in on it" here at this blog? Its unusual for you to, gasp, recognize that we may be actual humans that just don't agree 9/11 was a false flag. Kudos to you for that sane moment.

No Billman, I don't believe you are in on it.....I think GuitarBill is in on it............Lazarus? He's to stupid to be in on it.

And flipping around that you said, you should recognize that we may be actual humans that just don't agree that 9/11 was NOT a false flag.

I think that clearly we can agree that one side is correct and the other incorrect.

 
At 08 June, 2010 22:34, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm pretty sure the Obama one is taken out of context.

If not, then yes, I'd be distrubed if he's honestly saying he wants to shoot for some kind of New World Order.

Obama was not taken out of context, I'd be the first one to tell you if he had been.....and George H.W. Bush and Kissinger have used that term repeatedly and they were not taken out of context either.

“[The war in Iraq is] a rare opportunity to move toward an historic period of cooperation. Out of these troubled times...a New World Order can emerge.”
--- George Herbert Walker Bush

“We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.”
--- David Rockefeller, Sept. 23, 1994

"....His task will be to develop an overall strategy for America in this period, when really a "New World Order" can be created . It's a great opportunity. It isn't such a crisis."
--- Henry Kissinger, January 5, 2009 Appearing on 'Morning Call with Mark Haines' on CNBC when asked, "What do you think the most important thing is for Barrack Obama?"

 
At 08 June, 2010 22:37, Anonymous Anonymous said...

“The Trilateralist Commission is international...(and)...is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateralist Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power - political, monetary, intellectual, and ecclesiastical.”
--- Barry Goldwater

 
At 08 June, 2010 22:44, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any enhancement of radical Islamist self-confidence therefore threatens all the traditional states of the region, as well as others with significant Islamic populations, from Indonesia through India to Western Europe. The most important target is the United States, as the most powerful country of the West and the indispensable component of any attempt to build a new world order. .....But under present conditions, withdrawal is not an option. American forces are indispensable. They are in Iraq not as a favour to its government or as a reward for its conduct. They are there as an expression of the American national interest to prevent the Iranian combination of imperialism and fundamentalist ideology from dominating a region on which the energy supplies of the industrial democracies depend.
---Henry Kissinge, The new Iraq strategy, January 19, 2007

Here he mentions NWO and "on which the energy supplies of the industrial democracies depend." Our side has long argued that this is about Oil and the rest is bullcrap

 
At 08 June, 2010 22:47, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Four months later he then says the war in Iraq is un-winable

Iraqi war unwinnable: Kissinger The Associated Press

April 2, 2007

TOKYO: Former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger said yesterday the problems in Iraq were more complex than the Vietnam War and that military victory was no longer possible.

 
At 08 June, 2010 22:52, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Two years before that, he let the real truth shine threw a crack in the wall. Did you ever notice that wherever the TERRORISTS ARE is where the OIL IS ?????

Kissinger warns of energy conflict
By Caroline Daniel in Washington Financial Times
June 2 2005
Henry Kissinger, former US secretary of state, on Wednesday warned that the global battle for control of energy resources could become the modern equivalent of the 19th century “great game” the conflict between the UK and Tsarist Russia for supremacy in central Asia.
“The great game is developing again,” he told a meeting of the US-India Business Council. “The amount of energy is finite, up to now in relation to demand, and competition for access to energy can become the life and death for many societies. It would be ironic if the direction of pipelines and locations become the modern equivalent of the colonial disputes of the 19th century.”

 
At 08 June, 2010 23:06, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Americans are brilliant at many things not least of which is turning lemons into lemonade. There is a chance for the president of the United States to use this disaster to carry out what his father, a phrase his father used I think only once and hasn’t been used since and that is a New World Order. Think about this.
--- Gart Hart, September 14, 2001 in a speech to the Council on Foreign Relations





How obvious does it have to be?

 
At 08 June, 2010 23:13, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Quote mining again, jizzmop?

 
At 08 June, 2010 23:36, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."
--- Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets, McDonald was the only sitting member of Congress killed by the Soviet Union during the Cold War. A conservative Democrat, he was active in numerous civic organizations and maintained a conservative voting record in Congress. He was known for his staunch opposition to communism and believed in long standing covert efforts by powerful U.S. groups to bring about a socialist world government. He was the second president of the John Birch Society.

 
At 08 June, 2010 23:37, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Quote mining again, jizzmop?

GuitarBill, does you mommy know you are up this late?

 
At 08 June, 2010 23:39, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Oh, now you're quote mining the loony John Birch Society?

LOL!

So tell us, Anonymous, how's insanity treating you?

 
At 09 June, 2010 02:56, Anonymous Dylan Unsavery said...

David Ray Grifter is in on it

 
At 09 June, 2010 04:39, Blogger Triterope said...

You want me to start digging out all the quotes?

For the remainder of your life, feel free to assume that the answer to that question is "no."

Surely Obama, Kissinger, Ahmadinejad, Bush and many many more are aware of the baggage that term carries with it?

It's a figure of speech, you fuckwit. Like thousands of other figures of speech, people use it because it's a simple way to express a complex concept. And few people have the need to express this particular concept... except world leaders. This "baggage" exists only in the minds of conspiracy losers like yourself.

New World Order and International Order are the same term.

Oh, so now that I've pointed out that "new world" was missing from "new world order", the word "international" qualifies. Backpedal backpedal backpedal.

I mean it's spliting hairs to argue about variations on the theme, New World Order, International Order, "new orders in the world" as Ahmadinejad worded it....it all means the same thing.

Sure, if you're just making the rules up as you go. Which you are.

 
At 09 June, 2010 05:19, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Don't you find that really strange? I sure as hell do."

Of course you do, child, you're an insane, parnoid twoooofer™ conspirafreak.

"“The Trilateralist Commission..."


Badda bing badda boom.....

 
At 09 June, 2010 05:22, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"...the Rockefellers ..."

NAILED him again.

 
At 09 June, 2010 07:09, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"“The Trilateralist Commission..."
Badda bing badda boom.....

So Barry Goldwater was just kooky then...right? There is no Trilateral Commission or Bilderberger Group....it's all really benign....nothing more to see here, just keep moving right along.

As far as your attacks on the John Birch Society, I used to think they were racist, far right wing (like Lazarus) nut jobs till I actually met some of them, got into really intense discussions and started reading some of there writers like Griggs and Jasper. Perhaps that might have been true back in the fifties but I don't really see that today. The are rabidly anti-communist and advocate a strict ahereance to the constitution but they are a little to right for me.

The JBS looks quite reasonable when compared with todays modern republican party.

 
At 09 June, 2010 07:13, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...the Rockefellers ..."
NAILED him again.

I'd like to know how I have been "nailed."

For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.
--- David Rockefeller, Memoirs, 2002, page 405

But this present window of opportunity, during which a truly peaceful and interdependent world order might be built, will not be open for long. Already there are powerful forces at work that threaten to destroy all of our hopes and efforts to erect an enduring structure of global interdependence.
--- David Rockefeller, speaking at the Business Council for the United Nations, September 14, 1994

 
At 09 June, 2010 07:13, Anonymous Anonymous said...

We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time magazine, and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promise of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The super-national sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.
--- David Rockefeller, at a 1991 Bilderberger meeting

We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.
--- David Rockefeller

Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution, it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community of purpose. The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history.
--- David Rockefeller, statement about Mao Tse-tung in The New York Times, August 10, 1973

 
At 09 June, 2010 07:14, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How do you explain away all those comments?

 
At 09 June, 2010 07:18, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I mean you can't exactly look at where the world is today and say this NWO is exactly a good thing....unless you're at the top running things..............and that is not intended to be an anti-semetic comment because the usual suspects are both Jews and Gentiles..........so "the jews run this and the jews run that" argument is silly as far as I'm concerned.

 
At 09 June, 2010 07:51, Anonymous Dylan Unsavery said...

But the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government.
--- David Rockefeller, at a 1991,Bilderberger meeting


So where is this world government? It's been nearly twenty years. Me and the Grifter are still waiting.

 
At 09 June, 2010 08:03, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Anonymous dissembles, "...How do you explain away all those comments?"

Answer: Quote mining.

 
At 09 June, 2010 09:06, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

Sorry you miss me Billbo,but I could give a flying fuck about Troy and his travails.I actually sympathize with the poor schlub.The government has him by the balls and since he suffers from mental illness he's obviously going to be dragged through the system and end up in jail again.I take no satisfaction in any father and his children going through that shit.The guy is a complete non-entity in the truest sense.What's best about this thread is that the insane "GitFiddler" has come out of the closet as a real racist.And you gotta love the insane Yuppie Wedding Hack's comeback to relevant quotes.It's all "quote mining".D'oh!! And then he claims (in that goofy Debunker Cult way) that he's dispensed with the Jennings story by pointing out that Jennings didn't want his interview going into the film.D'oh!! The interview was done,you can watch it again,and he says he was caught with Hess in an explosion on the NORTH SIDE of #7,which trapped them in the building for 90 minutes-BEFORE the TWIN TOWERS turned to dust.Nothing changes that.So,what was that explosion,DogBoy?

 
At 09 June, 2010 09:21, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The ArseHooligan dissembles, "...The interview was done,you can watch it again,and he says he was caught with Hess in an explosion on the NORTH SIDE of #7,which trapped them in the building for 90 minutes-BEFORE the TWIN TOWERS turned to dust."

The explanation is simple, dufus: Your time line is fucked up.

There was no explosion "90 minutes-BEFORE the TWIN TOWERS turned to dust."

This is pure crap, just like your Norm Mineta insanity.

So where's the evidence to support your idiotic assertions, shit-for-brains?

 
At 09 June, 2010 09:47, Anonymous Arhoolie Vanunu said...

MY timeline is fucked up? So what was the explosion,DogBoy? And it's either cute or alarming that you can't get it straight,so here goes:trapped in the building for 90 minutes,with the explosion happening BEFORE either Twin Tower blew up.He's quite clear on that point,jackoff.You're a desperate blowhard,this you have proved to the world.Keep that in mind,a-hole.

 
At 09 June, 2010 09:47, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"So Barry Goldwater was just kooky then...right? "

Noooooo....

You're insane.

 
At 09 June, 2010 09:49, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"I'd like to know how I have been "nailed.""

You just exposed the insnaity that I had just described.

You'e really stupid, too, aren't you?

 
At 09 June, 2010 09:50, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Anonymous said...
How do you explain away all those comments?"

Explanation: you're crazy.

 
At 09 June, 2010 09:54, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Arhoolie Vanunu said...
MY timeline is fucked up? So what was the explosion,DogBoy?"

What explosions?

Can you prove there were explosions?

IS there a Youtube video with explosions? IF not, you're full of shit, because twoooofers™ use Youtube videos to prove EVERYTHING!!!!!1!!!11eleventy!!!

C'mon, you fraud, PRODUCE THE VIDEO!!!!

 
At 09 June, 2010 10:00, Anonymous Dylan Unsavery said...

:trapped in the building for 90 minutes,with the explosion happening BEFORE either Twin Tower blew up

No tower blew up, Mr Hooligan.

 
At 09 June, 2010 16:43, Blogger Triterope said...

Oh no! College football writer Stewart Mandel is a member of the global conspiracy!

So something tells me that whatever ultimately results from all of this -- no matter how clunky, no matter how blatant a money-grab, no matter how many fans are initially resistant, disappointed and/or ticked off -- the new world order will eventually seem normal.

Find the truth here. For info warriors only!

 
At 09 June, 2010 20:10, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The explanation is simple, dufus: Your time line is fucked up.

There was no explosion "90 minutes-BEFORE the TWIN TOWERS turned to dust."

Watergate? What Watergate? What are you talking about?

Iran Conta? Conta What?

GuitarBill, you are such a jerk!

 
At 09 June, 2010 20:18, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What explosions? Can you prove there were explosions?

“That day I was in the basement in sub-level 1 sometime after 8:30am. Everything happened so fast, everything moved so fast. The building started shaking after I heard the explosion below, dust was flying everywhere and all of a sudden it got real hot. I threw myself onto the floor, covered my face because I felt like I was burned. I sat there for a couple of seconds on the floor and felt like I was going to die, saying to myself ‘God, please give me strength.’ When I went in, I told them it was an explosion.”
--- Felipe David, North Tower burn victim and Aramark Co. employee. Although severely burned on his face, arms and hands with skin hanging from his body like pieces of cloth, David picked himself up, running for help to the office were William Rodriguez and others were gathered. He was then helped out of the WTC by Rodriguez and eventually taken by ambulance to New York Hospital. From original interview tapes aired in Colombia in Spanish with Colombian television station Red Continental De Noticias reporter Claudia Gurisatti as a part of an in depth 9/11 documentary on the first anniversary of 9/11 and never released in America. The foreign station spent a month in New York in 2002

 
At 09 June, 2010 20:18, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What explosions? Can you prove there were explosions?

“We heard the explosion and the smoke all of a sudden came from all over. There was an incredible force of wind that also swept everything away. I remember hearing a scream of a woman, but I couldn’t see her. I had just gotten off the elevator and I was standing by it with another man but didn’t know his name. The doors of the elevator were still open and, I don’t know why we did, but we both jumped back in maybe because of the wind whipping everything around in the hallway. Then, suddenly, the elevator doors closed in front of us and we started going down. It all of a sudden stopped and I could see through the cracks we were between B-2 and B-3. We were both screaming and afraid. I remember seeing through the slot of the elevator and seeing other people running and screaming. Then water started gushing in the elevator and I remember saying, ‘God, please help us.’ At that point, I was resigned to the fact I was going to die”
--- Salvatore Giambanco, a WTC office painter trapped in a North Tower basement elevator. From original interview tapes aired in Colombia in Spanish with Colombian television station Red Continental De Noticias reporter Claudia Gurisatti as a part of an in depth 9/11 documentary on the first anniversary of 9/11 and never released in America. The foreign station spent a month in New York in 2002

 
At 09 June, 2010 20:20, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What explosions? Can you prove there were explosions?

“It sounded like a bomb and the lights went on and off. We started to walk to the exit and a huge ball of fire went through the freight elevator. The hot air from the ball of fire dropped Chino to the floor and my hair got burned. The room then got full of smoke and I remember saying out loud ‘I believe it was a bomb that blew up inside the building.’ I said ‘Chino, let’s go we gotta get out of here.’ But Chino was wounded and told me he needed help. I remember him saying that the hot air came with such force that it broke his leg. We finally went out through another exit and his leg and knee were both broken. It took about 15 or 20 minutes to get outside and for me it was like a bomb with huge smoke all around. Then when I got outside, the other plane hit the south tower.”
--- Jose Sanchez, who worked for American Building Maintenance Co. at the North Tower of the WTC for 14 years, recounting his 9/11 personal experience in a never-released tape recorded statement made in early 2002 to William Rodriguez, the first WTC maintenance man to claim that he heard a massive explosion in the WTC basement just seconds prior to the jetliner striking above while working in a sub-level 1 office along side 14 others, all who heard and felt the very same thing as Rodriguez. Sanchez revealed the details of a basement bomb-like explosion while Rodriguez and two CNN interns, Carolina Inojosa and Evita Zerebrinsky, interviewed victims and documented information for the many people having trouble getting needed government assistance after 9/11.

 
At 09 June, 2010 20:21, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What explosions? Can you prove there were explosions?

"I got off [the elevator], turned the corner and opened the door to the ladies' room. I said good morning to a lady sitting at a mirror when the whole building shook. I thought it was an earthquake. Then I heard those banging noises on the other side of the wall. It sounded like someone had cut the elevator cables. It just fell and fell and fell. I began to cry. "Oh, my God, I just got off that elevator!" I said. "That could have been me." I prayed those other people had gotten off on the 48th floor before the elevator dropped. But I didn't have much time to be upset because the building shook again, this time even more violently. The lady at the mirror grabbed onto me and held on for dear life." …. "The flashlight led us into Borders bookstore, up an escalator and out to Church Street. There were explosions going off everywhere. I was convinced that there were bombs planted all over the place and someone was sitting at a control panel pushing detonator buttons. I was afraid to go down Church Street toward Broadway, but I had to do it. I ended up on Vesey Street. There was another explosion. And another. I didn't know where to run."
--- Teresa Veliz, the facilities manager for a software development company, was on the 47th floor of the North Tower when Flight 11 hit. First, like many witnesses, she describes the building shaking twice. Veliz went down a staircase with a coworker to the concourse level. In the mall, they got onto an up-escalator as the South Tower collapsed, causing a rush of wind which knocked them down. In the pitch black, Veliz and her coworker followed someone carrying a flashlight. Source: "Teresa Veliz: A Prayer to Die Quickly and Painlessly," in September 11: An Oral History by Dean E. Murphy (Doubleday, 2002), pp 9-15.

 
At 09 June, 2010 20:23, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What explosions? Can you prove there were explosions?

"There was tremendous damage in the lobby. There was already things that were fallen or cracked. A lot of structural wall damage and ceiling damage that I could see. …it just looked to me like something had exploded. It looked like something had fallen down, hit and like exploded out. I mean the whole area around it was maybe 25, 30 feet of really severe damage. …There were pieces of marble like ornamental marble, I guess, on the walls that were maybe 2 foot by 3 foot pieces, maybe even little bigger, that had split and cracked and some had actually fallen. There was a couple that had fallen onto the lobby, this little lobby floor. We are in the lobby waiting for the elevator. ... We are standing there and the first thing that happened, which I still think is strange to me, the lights went out. Completely pitch black. ... I had heard right before the lights went out, I had heard a distant boom boom boom, sounded like explosions. I don't know what it was. At the time, I would have said they sounded like bombs, but it was boom boom boom and then the lights all go out. ... I would say about 3, 4 seconds, all of a sudden this tremendous roar. It sounded like being in a tunnel with the train coming at you. It sounded like nothing I had ever heard in my life, but it didn't sound good. All of a sudden I could feel the floor started to shake and sway. We were being thrown like literally off our feet, side to side, getting banged around and then a tremendous wind started to happen. It probably lasted maybe 15 seconds. It seemed like a hurricane force wind. It would blow you off your feet and smoke and debris and more things started falling."
--- Firefighter Keith Murphy – WTC survivor. Engine 47, FDNY. Statement recorded by FDNY, December 5, 2001. Interviewed by Battalion Chief Dennis Kenahan, Safety Battalion, FDNY. Firefighter Murphy arrived at the lobby of the North Tower after the second plane impact and prior to the collapse of WTC 2 (South Tower). The lobby of the North Tower was approximately 1,100 feet below the airplane's impact point at floors 93 to 98.

 
At 09 June, 2010 20:29, Blogger avicenne said...

"Oh no! College football writer Stewart Mandel is a member of the global conspiracy!"

It goes much deeper than that. A little something known as the soccer 'World' Cup, starting in a couple of days.

The naysayers might claim it's called the World Cup because it features teams from across what is commonly known as 'the world', that it has nothing to do with New World Order, but that's because they've been plunged into a psyops induced stupor.

These bastards can't be stopped. Anonymous' OCD, manifesting itself in the reproduction of random ominous quotes, has not been the futile exercise that it ostensibly seems.

 
At 10 June, 2010 04:24, Blogger Triterope said...

"Explosions" do not equal "Explosives", doofus.

Seriously, we went through this about four years ago.

 
At 10 June, 2010 05:58, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Anonymous dissembles, "...GuitarBill, you are such a jerk!"

On contrary, jizzmop, you're incompetent and unqualified to discuss this subject.

For example, an electrical surge from the towers feeding back into the electrical substation below building 7 would explain the "explosions" heard by eyewitnesses.

Moreover, the electrical substation below building 7 was composed primarily of power transformers. Now, when power transformers are subjected to an electrical surge THEY EXPLODE.

As Triterope mentioned: "...'Explosions' do not equal 'Explosives', doofus."

An now let's consult expert testimony from a demolition expert:

"...Our team, working at ground zero, including myself, never saw indication of explosive use that would have been evident after the event. You just can't clean up all that det cord, shock tube, blasting cap remnants, copper backing from explosive charges, burn marks along clean-cut edges of columns, etc., nor is there any evidence in the thousands of photos taken by the press and dozens of agencies over the following days." -- Brent Blanchard, Demolition Expert; International Society of Explosives Engineers.

 
At 10 June, 2010 06:12, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Anonymous said...
What explosions? Can you prove there were explosions?

“It sounded like a bomb and the lights went on and off."

Just like I thought.

No proof.

Thanks, fucktard, for revealing to the world that you're a retarded marmoset with the intellectual abilities of an intestinal parasite.

 
At 10 June, 2010 10:21, Blogger Billman said...

But, but.. GuitarBill! NIST report says Free Fall! A document saying that automatically means explosives were used despite no physical evidence! Don't you understand?! Printed words that I misinterpret alter the past and reality itself! Dummy dumb dumbunkers!

You should be ashamed of yourselves... (am I doing it right?)

 
At 10 June, 2010 16:29, Blogger Triterope said...

For example, an electrical surge from the towers feeding back into the electrical substation below building 7 would explain the "explosions" heard by eyewitnesses.

Hell, a can of compressed air consumed in fire would explain an explosion if you were close enough to it. Have you ever heard a can of compressed air explode? Makes a whole lotta noise, and sounds just like a bomb went off.

I'm sure people in the WTC towers did hear explosions, but there are all kinds of innocuous explanations for that.

 
At 11 June, 2010 10:45, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tritedope is coming along quite nicely on bass there ain't he? Now that you've acknowledged there were numerous explosions at all three buildings you can move onto understanding that they were the type of explosions that rocked the ground under people's feet and were NOT small cans of shaving cream popping.Best,Arhoolie

 
At 11 June, 2010 11:36, Blogger Triterope said...

Now that you've acknowledged there were numerous explosions at all three buildings

There's quote mining, and then there's just making shit up.

 
At 11 June, 2010 18:11, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Triterope wrote, "...There's quote mining, and then there's just making shit up."

That's the ArseHooligan's modus operandi: straw man arguments.

 
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At 17 June, 2010 11:26, Anonymous Arhoolie Vanunu said...

How utterly charming!! The Debunker Cult folds it's tent over the question of explosions (with the predictable exception of the Insanely Screeching Rushbot,Pornboy) and moves onto greener pastures,like making fun of Luke Rudkowski's haircuts or goofing on Dr.Judy and Les Jamieson!! Tell the "Git" that he NEEDS to start puffing some of that Humboldt (as if he doesn't!).Until then,he's going to be the one in the corner of the fern bar slamming his head on the bar.

 
At 17 June, 2010 18:52, Blogger Triterope said...

The Debunker Cult folds its tent over the question of explosions and moves onto making fun of Luke Rudkowski's haircuts

There's quote mining, and then there's just making shit up.

 
At 18 June, 2010 15:35, Anonymous Arhoolie said...

What was made up,regarding explosions,Sir Dopey?

 

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