Sunday, January 02, 2011

I'm Okay, You're a Government Disinfo Plant

Or, the continuing paranoia of the "responsible" Troofers. Fruitcake David Chandler writes about the CIT-heads:

Why, then, the strenuous push to focus the attention of the Truth Movement onto the Pentagon? Does it sound too cynical to suggest that we are being intentionally set up? We must remember that we are in a situation where nearly 3000 people were murdered in a day not counting the thousands who have died since, and millions killed in the resulting wars. If agencies of the US government really are complicit, which the evidence shows to be the case, then the people who really know what happened are playing for keeps. Any movement with real potential for arriving at incriminating truth will certainly be highly infiltrated. This is not paranoia: it is a simple fact. The 9/11 Truth Movement must respond by policing itself and holding itself to the highest standards of intellectual rigor.


A bit late for that, and of course Chandler is hardly an exemplar of the highest standards of intellectual rigor.

Note as well that Chandler goes after the easy target in CIT. There's no mention of the guru of the 9-11 Troof Movement, David Ray Griffin. Grifter routinely gives credence to the "what hit the Pentagon" nutbars. How is that any different from CIT?

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81 Comments:

At 02 January, 2011 13:35, Blogger Triterope said...

If agencies of the US government really are complicit, then the people who really know what happened are playing for keeps.

Well, duh.

 
At 02 January, 2011 15:01, Blogger its.all.for.fun said...

This is a familiar theme in the 911oz nutbars - the CIT are either government disinfo, or not up to the high researching standards of 911oz.

Beyond parody...but, you have to laugh.

 
At 02 January, 2011 16:57, Blogger avicenne said...

These nuts really do live in a bubble. Agencies of the US government have better things to do than infiltrate a deluded disgruntled mob of bearded weirdos, stalkers, mad professors, Holocaust deniers and an internet army of obsessives researching laterally ejected beam columns like it actually means anything.

 
At 02 January, 2011 17:05, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

If ["divide and conquer"] succeeds, the 9/11 Truth Movement will be seen as vicious, mean spirited, crazy, and ultimately discredited.

Oh shit. We can't have that.

 
At 02 January, 2011 17:14, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

Totally OT: Why is Alex Jones marking down his "9/11 Was An Inside Job" T-shirts?

 
At 02 January, 2011 17:43, Blogger GuitarBill said...

RGT wrote, "...Why is Alex Jones marking down his '9/11 Was An Inside Job' T-shirts?"

Answer: Deflation!

Deflation of the troofer population, that is.

%^)

 
At 02 January, 2011 18:07, Blogger Ian G. said...

Answer: Deflation!

Deflation of the troofer population, that is.

%^)


Butbutbut...84% Brian Good just told me about all the accomplishments of the truthers! They're winning! 50 years from now, 9/11 truth will be common knowledge!

 
At 02 January, 2011 18:14, Blogger Ian G. said...

Also, I took a look at some of the "recommended movies" in Jones' store and was not disappointed: Chemtrails, HAARP, Illuminati/Freemason conspiracies, etc.

 
At 02 January, 2011 20:32, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

It's funny. The first cries of "Conspiracy" I heard came from a Chemtrail "expert" in Sacramento. I had stopped into my friend's metephysical bookstore (don't ask) and he handed me a list of suspicious events surrounding the 9/11 attacks. This was on 9/12...

The list had been faxed to him from that Chemtrail guy, and many of the items on that list linger today (missile into the Pentagon, WTC-7 was a controlled Mossad demo).

In the world of the kook, er, conspiracy theorist anyone who has a counter conspiracy theory is labeled a government plant.

At that same metaphysical bookstore I was asked to leave their monthly UFO discussion group because some members felt that I was actually a government mole. Their rational was that I knew too much about the military,science, history, and did not consider "psychic communications with aliens" to be valid evidence.

It was cool, the meetings had stopped being fun anyway. I was already suspect because I didn't believe in the JFK conspiracies any more.

I wasn't as bad is Brian Goode but I had my momments. Conspiracies only make sense when you ignore the majority of the availible facts(as Brian and his ilk do), and it is easy to ignore the uncomfortable facts when you believe that those facts have been planted by "them" (men in black, reptillians,Dick Cheney,E.Howard Hunt, Johnny Carson, etc). Soon it becomes a reflex to view any counter information as unreliable because it is obviously put out there by the CIA/Illuminati/Free Masons/Kiwanis Club/Girl Scouts or whoever your chosen boogy man is.

 
At 02 January, 2011 22:49, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

In the world of the kook, er, conspiracy theorist anyone who has a counter conspiracy theory is labeled a government plant.

I think at the deep deep core, the Truther mind is characterized by the conflict between "I am right" with "nobody believes me". Most people are able to detect when they've made an error. 9/11 Truthers, on the other hand, are intellectually impaired. Rather than do the rational thing and question their own correctness, they instead rationalize on "nobody believes me" with theories about government CIT plants, media brainwashing, the psychology of denial... anything except the low quality of their data.

Their rational was that I knew too much about the military,science, history, and did not consider "psychic communications with aliens" to be valid evidence.

Well, if you'd just look at the evidence with an open mind maybe you'd learn a thing or two.

 
At 03 January, 2011 10:08, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

Wait, where the hell's Brian?

 
At 03 January, 2011 16:16, Blogger paulthew said...

Where's Brian?

In another post, getting his ass whipped.

As usual.

 
At 03 January, 2011 16:30, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

Ain't that the truth Paul. LOL!

And in other news, Brian Good was found in his parents basement, bond & gagged & pissing himself, while onlookers gaze in amusement. Pointing & laughing at his silly theories & showing him that he's a lunatic.

And now onto the weather......

 
At 04 January, 2011 06:28, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"The 9/11 Truth Movement must respond by policing itself and holding itself to the highest standards of intellectual rigor."

That's gold, Jerry. Comedy gold.

 
At 04 January, 2011 12:17, Blogger nico said...

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At 04 January, 2011 13:21, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

I'm okay, you're REALLY stupid when you say things like this:

"There was no molten steel. The iron microspheres reported in the RJ Lee report could easily have been caused by the steelworkers using acetylene torches on the steel during the rescue operation."

Why haven't you provided a source for this after all this time, Pat?

 
At 04 January, 2011 13:35, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

There was no molten steel. The iron microspheres reported in the RJ Lee report could easily have been caused by the steelworkers using acetylene torches on the steel during the rescue operation.

They don't need to be sourced.

So how much pussy did you really get with that fake "my uncle died on 9/11" line?

 
At 04 January, 2011 14:28, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

"They don't need to be sourced (in other words I have no answer, much like Fat Pat himself. Pathetic, huh?)"
-RGT

"So how much pussy did you really get with that fake "my uncle died on 9/11" line?"

About as much as Pat got when his father Hugh died last year, JamesB. Why do you ask?

 
At 04 January, 2011 14:35, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

(in other words I have no answer, much like Fat Pat himself. Pathetic, huh?)

Opinions don't need to be sourced.

About as much as Pat got when his father Hugh died last year, JamesB. Why do you ask?

Just curious. I'm not JamesB though. Tell you what, unban me from #truthaction and I'll tell you who I am.

Janette's looking better each day, isn't she? Dropped a good 20 pounds already.

 
At 04 January, 2011 14:54, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Yo Cosmos (aka "Pat Cowardly," and Andrew Bernstein)! Did you have any luck shaving that unsightly cat from your chin?

Cosmos and his "kitty" lying about his alleged "Uncle Mickey".

Here's a suggestion, "Cosmos": The next time you shave, stand a couple of inches closer to the razor.

Meow!

 
At 04 January, 2011 15:02, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

Did you have any luck shaving that unsightly cat from your chin?

Jon Gold won't let him shave it off. They need it to play "two eggs in the nest".

 
At 04 January, 2011 15:05, Blogger Ian G. said...

Hey dust boy, can you please be more like Nico? He's funny. You're just an idiot.

 
At 04 January, 2011 15:07, Blogger GuitarBill said...

RGT wrote, "...Jon Gold won't let him shave it off. They need it to play 'two eggs in the nest'."

That explains it!

When they're hungry, Fat boy Jon Gold and "Cosmos" get together and boil their beards in a crab boil pot to make soup.

Bon Appetit!

 
At 04 January, 2011 15:08, Blogger f911tnl said...

CIT: short for CyberBully Intimidation Team


http://truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6962&sid=fe44d92d70186ed397d979619ff07221

 
At 04 January, 2011 15:13, Blogger f911tnl said...

" avicenne said...

These nuts really do live in a bubble. Agencies of the US government have better things to do than infiltrate a deluded disgruntled mob of bearded weirdos, stalkers, mad professors, Holocaust deniers and an internet army of obsessives researching laterally ejected beam columns like it actually means anything."

Good points. Now stop yakking, get off ur keister and do something:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeR_KoXOXZ8

 
At 04 January, 2011 15:14, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

When they're hungry, Fat boy Jon Gold and "Cosmos" get together and boil their beards in a crab boil pot to make soup.

Ha! Probably. After that Jon gets his back shaved.

And seriously, watch any clip with Jon and Cosmos together... Cosmos is like a pathetic little brother who'd do anything for approval. I guess that's what growing up with a ball busting Jewish mother does to a guy. "When are you moving out? When are you getting married? Why are you still on the computer? Why did you lie about Uncle Mickey?"

 
At 04 January, 2011 15:15, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Gosh, and I was under the impression that CIT stands for "Cretins, Incontinents and Twits."

 
At 04 January, 2011 15:16, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

Why haven't you provided a source for this after all this time, Pat?

Why haven't you stopped bitching about it Cowardly?

Nice of you to rear your ugliness yet again on SLC.

 
At 04 January, 2011 15:19, Blogger f911tnl said...

" Richard Gage's Testicles said...


And seriously, watch any clip with Jon and Cosmos together... Cosmos is like a pathetic little brother who'd do anything for approval. I guess that's what growing up with a ball busting Jewish mother does to a guy. "When are you moving out? When are you getting married? Why are you still on the computer? Why did you lie about Uncle Mickey?"

04 January, 2011 15:14"

What evidence do you have Cosmos' mom is Jewish?

Debunker Anti-Semites for the FAIL.

 
At 04 January, 2011 15:21, Blogger f911tnl said...

"GuitarBill said...

Gosh, and I was under the impression that CIT stands for "Cretins, Incontinents and Twits."

04 January, 2011 15:15"

Yeah that works too.

 
At 04 January, 2011 15:37, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

What evidence do you have Cosmos' mom is Jewish?

By appearance, he strikes me as Jewish. That would probably make his mother Jewish. If I'm wrong about it I'm sure he'll show up to correct me.

Debunker Anti-Semites for the FAIL.

What evidence do you have that I'm an Anti-Semite?

 
At 04 January, 2011 15:57, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

I'm beginning to suspect that "Pat Cowardly" is Killtown.

From observations based on Killtowns blog, he's very interested in Pat Curly.

 
At 04 January, 2011 16:01, Blogger f911tnl said...

"Richard Gage's Testicles said...

What evidence do you have Cosmos' mom is Jewish?

By appearance, he strikes me as Jewish. That would probably make his mother Jewish. If I'm wrong about it I'm sure he'll show up to correct me.

Debunker Anti-Semites for the FAIL.

What evidence do you have that I'm an Anti-Semite?

04 January, 2011 15:37"

Your the one hung up on Jews. Shit guy, listen to yourself:

" By appearance, he strikes me as Jewish. That would probably make his mother Jewish."

You sound like a Nazi douchbag. You can't tell whether ppl are Jews(outside of Synagogue) by what they look like. The only ppl who think they can are Anti-Semite douches.

 
At 04 January, 2011 16:10, Blogger f911tnl said...

""Richard Gage's Testicles said...

SNIP

Debunker Anti-Semites for the FAIL.

What evidence do you have that I'm an Anti-Semite?""

BTW: it may not be hardcore evidence of Antisemitism, but it IS evidence you don't mind sounding like one. Only ppl I know who don't mind sounding like Anti-Semites...are Anti-Semites.

 
At 04 January, 2011 16:27, Blogger GuitarBill said...

WAQ wrote, "...I'm beginning to suspect that 'Pat Cowardly' is Killtown."

No, it's well known that "Pat Cowardly" is "Cosmos" (aka, Andrew Bernstein).

 
At 04 January, 2011 16:28, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

No, it's well known that "Pat Cowardly" is "Cosmos" (aka, Andrew Bernstein).

I'm gonna look that guy up! Thanks!

 
At 04 January, 2011 16:29, Blogger Triterope said...

So anyone who makes "Jewish mother" jokes is an anti-Semite?

Wow. That makes me view Jackie Mason, Woody Allen, Larry David, Sascha Baron Cohen, Jerry Seinfeld, Rodney Dangerfield, Henny Youngman, Sid Caesar, Mel Brooks, Albert Brooks, Howard Stern, Shecky Greene, Don Rickles, Joey Bishop, Jackie Hoffman, Joan Rivers, Carl Reiner, Rob Reiner, Jon Stewart, Myron Cohen and Dr. Zoidberg in a whole new light.

 
At 04 January, 2011 16:31, Blogger f911tnl said...

"GuitarBill said...

WAQ wrote, "...I'm beginning to suspect that 'Pat Cowardly' is Killtown."

No, it's well known that "Pat Cowardly" is "Cosmos" (aka, Andrew Bernstein).

04 January, 2011 16:27"

What proof do you have? The word on FB is Cosmos never reads this blog, much less comments.

Also, what proof is there he's this Andy guy? Only thing I've ever seen is some BS written by a Holocaust denier ....

 
At 04 January, 2011 16:33, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

I found this interesting about Cowardly:

At the very least, ladies and gentlemen, the credibility of Cosmos is now in serious doubt. For many years he claimed family member status of a 9/11 victim, and is now unequivocally on the record as changing his story.

The sonvabitch lied about being a Family Member. What a piece of lowlife trash!

 
At 04 January, 2011 16:34, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

The word on FB is Cosmos never reads this blog, much less comments.

Also "bird is the word", apparently!

 
At 04 January, 2011 16:36, Blogger f911tnl said...

"Triterope said...

So anyone who makes "Jewish mother" jokes is an anti-Semite? "

Stop making straw men, ADD case.

I said What evidence do you have Cosmos' mom is Jewish?

He said By appearance, he strikes me as Jewish. That would probably make his mother Jewish.

NOTE: HE IS NOT JOKING

He said What evidence do you have that I'm an Anti-Semite?

I said BTW: it may not be hardcore evidence of Antisemitism, but it IS evidence you don't mind sounding like one. Only ppl I know who don't mind sounding like Anti-Semites...are Anti-Semites.

See how clear it is when you slow down and read the words?

 
At 04 January, 2011 16:41, Blogger f911tnl said...

" WhyAskQuestions said...

I found this interesting about Cowardly:

At the very least, ladies and gentlemen, the credibility of Cosmos is now in serious doubt. For many years he claimed family member status of a 9/11 victim, and is now unequivocally on the record as changing his story.

The sonvabitch lied about being a Family Member. What a piece of lowlife trash!

04 January, 2011 16:33"

Yeah and I have a couple bridges to sell you...CHEAP lol

God how gullible can 'debunkers' be? What proof do you have that account is true? Hint: sourcing Holocaust Deniers with axes to grind doesn't count.

 
At 04 January, 2011 16:51, Blogger GuitarBill said...

f911tnl wrote, "...What proof do you have?"

"Cosmos" outed himself shortly after Pat exposed the "Uncle Mickey" fraud.

"...The lady doth protest too much, methinks." -- William Shakespeare's Hamlet, Act III, scene II.

RGT outed "Cosmos" as Andrew Bernstein shortly thereafter when he published a link to an interview with Andrew Bernstein, titled "Andrew Bernstein whose Uncle was on Flight 93..." The article mentioned "Uncle Mickey" specifically, and Bernstein lied that "Uncle Mickey" is his blood relative.

 
At 04 January, 2011 16:54, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Correction...

"Cosmos" outed himself as "Pat Cowardly" shortly after Pat Curly exposed the "Uncle Mickey" fraud.

 
At 04 January, 2011 17:01, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

You sound like a Nazi douchbag. You can't tell whether ppl are Jews(outside of Synagogue) by what they look like. The only ppl who think they can are Anti-Semite douches.

Oh, give me a break. Many Jewish people share common appearance traits. Therefore, they appear to be Jewish. No harm in saying so.

And if you find the Jewish Mother Archetype offensive, then you must find claims that "Israel did 9/11" REALLY offensive. Right?

 
At 04 January, 2011 18:22, Blogger Triterope said...

See how clear it is when you slow down and read the words?

Not really. Your "explanation" made no sense at all.

Besides, you're making a false assumption: that I give a shit what you have to say or take you seriously at all. I'm just here for cheap laughs, at the expense of people like you. And if I have to apply a little creative license to get them, I will.

Now make with the phony outrage that I would daaaaaaaaaaaare to find humor in your badly botched attempt to play the bigotry card.

 
At 04 January, 2011 18:28, Blogger GuitarBill said...

f911tnl, here's a link to the Andrew Bernstein interview:

Sheldrake Discusses 9/11 & UNITED 93 With Andrew Bernstein (Whose Uncle Was on Flight 93).

 
At 04 January, 2011 20:13, Blogger Ian G. said...

We have a new truther here? Cool, the mindless babbling by Brian and the occasional half-hearted posts by dust boy and mask boy were getting old. Also, Nico doesn't post nearly enough anymore.

C'mon, f911tnl, what's your shtick?

 
At 04 January, 2011 21:05, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

f911tnl, here's a link to the Andrew Bernstein interview

Reading that again, you know what suddenly occurs to me? Bernstein doesn't know anything about Mark Rothenberg that wasn't already published. Two daughters, wife Meredith, on his way to Taiwan, "lived by his cell phone".

What a piece of shit fraud.

Jon? I know you're reading this, you psychotic fat fuck. Care to chime in and defend your buddy?

 
At 05 January, 2011 06:46, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

All these posts and no one can provide a source for Scat Slurry's confident assertion about the evidence. Pretty sad, kids.

"No, it's well known that "Pat Cowardly" is "Cosmos" (aka, Andrew Bernstein)." -GoiterBalls

Well known to you, JamesBeachnut. Build any narratives lately?

('this happened, and then this happened, and then THIS happened... but it doesn't MEAN anything...')

 
At 05 January, 2011 06:49, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"Pat Cowardly"

Another insane Twoooooofer™ heard from.

 
At 05 January, 2011 08:41, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

What could POSSIBLY be the reason why NOT A SINGLE one of you will provide a source for Pat's bald assertion?

Why does Pat himself quake in fear about this? Could he have been lying? Still an effective way to make him shut the fuck up, though, hey Scat?

 
At 05 January, 2011 09:17, Blogger Ian G. said...

What could POSSIBLY be the reason why NOT A SINGLE one of you will provide a source for Pat's bald assertion?

Because you're not one of the cool kids. Only the cool kids get to see these things. Once you've proven that a) you have a job or are enrolled in school somewhere and b) have been laid by a member of either sex, then you can join the cool kids.

It's amazing how many truthers fail both of these requirements.

 
At 05 January, 2011 09:52, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

What could POSSIBLY be the reason why NOT A SINGLE one of you will provide a source for Pat's bald assertion?

Because it doesn't need to be sourced.

You know what's funny? Every single detail about Uncle Mickey in Andrew Bernstein's AICN interview was already published somewhere else. Wife Meredith, two daughters, going to Taiwan, "lived by his cell phone". Isn't that interesting?

Unban me from #truthaction and I'll tell you my name, since you suck at guessing it.

 
At 05 January, 2011 09:54, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

What could POSSIBLY be the reason why NOT A SINGLE one of you will provide a source for Pat's bald assertion?

Because it doesn't need to be sourced.

You know what's funny? Every single detail about Uncle Mickey in Andrew Bernstein's AICN interview was already published somewhere else. Wife Meredith, two daughters, going to Taiwan, "lived by his cell phone". Isn't that interesting?

Unban me from #truthaction and I'll tell you my name, since you suck at guessing it.

 
At 05 January, 2011 11:02, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

"Because you're not one of the cool kids."

Wow, everyone shuts the fuck up except the dipshit with the non-answer. Why do you people have so much trouble with this simple question? Do I need to ask again?

Where's the source, Pat? What could POSSIBLY be the reason you STILL haven't provided one? Your fat ripples were practically undulating with confidence when you made it, so why the silent cowardice now? Can the fat bald man back up his fat bald assertion or not?

 
At 05 January, 2011 11:03, Blogger Triterope said...

What could POSSIBLY be the reason why NOT A SINGLE one of you will provide a source for Pat's bald assertion?

You have been shown sources for Pat's bald assertion. But like most Truthers, you're so fucking brainwashed you don't even recognize it.

 
At 05 January, 2011 11:29, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

What could POSSIBLY be the reason why NOT A SINGLE one of you will provide a source for Pat's bald assertion?

Andrew,

Do you have any idea what salt does to steel once it's been exposed to the elements? Or what residue the torches leave behind after a massive clean-up? Apparently you haven't got a clue, so that's why you're a dipshit!

 
At 05 January, 2011 13:10, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

"You have been shown sources for Pat's bald assertion."

Another fat bald assertion with no back-up whatsoever. Vintage Triteness.

"Do you have any idea what salt does to steel once it's been exposed to the elements?"

Such embarrassing dancing and dodging... How about you just answer the question? Why did Meat Slurry make a claim he has no way of substantiating? What is it about his claim that YOU find so convincing, exactly? Why don't you demand some standards from fellow dumbunkasses?

 
At 05 January, 2011 13:10, Blogger Ian G. said...

Wow, everyone shuts the fuck up except the dipshit with the non-answer. Why do you people have so much trouble with this simple question? Do I need to ask again?

Um, you didn't answer my questions, dust boy. You have to show that you're employed/in school and not a virgin, until then, you don't get any answers to your questions. Sorry.

 
At 05 January, 2011 13:46, Blogger Triterope said...

Another fat bald assertion with no back-up whatsoever. Vintage Triteness.

I'm not your personal assistant, asshole. And it wouldn't matter if I linked it anyway, you'd just ignore it and make the claim again. That's all you're here to do.

That's all anyone in the 9-11 Truth movement is on the Internet to do: demand that random people provide custom answers to the same old tired long-answered questions. Then ignore them. Then demand the answers again. Then say DURR UNANSWERED QUESTIONS DURR NEW INVESTIGATION DURR SUBPOENA POWER DURRRRRRRRRRRRR. Nigerian scammers have a more original approach.

Read what I said to ft911nl or whatever his name was. I don't give a shit what you think, I don't take your demands seriously, and I'm just here to laugh at you. Now make with the funny or shut up.

 
At 05 January, 2011 14:00, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

"You have been shown sources for Pat's bald assertion."
-Trite Trope's obvious lie.

(when asked for proof)

"I'm not your personal assistant, asshole. And it wouldn't matter if I linked it anyway..."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Translation: "I have nothing, yet again, and you're correct as always".

What happened, Tritey Whitey? It sounds like you're mad that you have no basis for your beliefs, and you can't back up your fat hero's bullshit. No need to flop around and spit up about it, though: just provide the 'link' that you claim to have, and show me what's wrong with my research. Do I have to double-dare you or something? Is that the level of discourse around here?

 
At 05 January, 2011 14:06, Blogger Ian G. said...

Hey Pat Cowardly, it's now 2011. We're now almost a decade out from 9/11. Have you presented all your evidence for an inside job to a prosecutor yet?

Given how sure you are that you have all the evidence, I'm wondering what you're doing posting at this blog. You'd think you'd have more important things to do.

 
At 05 January, 2011 14:32, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

Nope, Ian can't provide the source either. Shocking!!

"Given how sure you are that you have all the evidence"

Why do you say I'm sure I have all the evidence? Where did I say that? There must be some Fat Slurry research class where he teaches you to "think critically" like this. Next time get a refund.

 
At 05 January, 2011 14:58, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

Nope, Ian can't provide the source either. Shocking!!

Opinions don't need to be sourced.

Here's something funny: Read this interview with "Andrew Bernstein" about his Uncle Mickey. How come everything "Andrew Bernstein" knows about Mark Rothenberg sounds like it's just recited from this web page?

 
At 05 January, 2011 15:00, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

What could POSSIBLY be the reason why NOT A SINGLE one of you will provide a source for Pat's bald assertion?

Because opinions don't need to be sourced. Only a mongoloid cocksucker would expect them to be.

 
At 05 January, 2011 15:08, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

"Because opinions don't need to be sourced. "

So opinions are just as good as evidence for RGT. Interesting standard there, testiclebrain. Did you learn that from Pat or james?

Moreover, Fat Swirly stated as implicit fact that oxyacetylene torches produce melted iron droplets that become spherical when they cool, and in enough quantities to be nearly 6% of the dust. This requires a source, or it's pure bullshit from a liar. Are you following along yet?

 
At 05 January, 2011 15:19, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

So opinions are just as good as evidence for RGT.

The trick is to distinguish the two. Another thinking skill that Troofers cannot master.

Moreover, Fat Swirly stated as implicit fact that oxyacetylene torches produce melted iron droplets that become spherical when they cool, and in enough quantities to be nearly 6% of the dust. This requires a source, or it's pure bullshit from a liar.

Sorry, what's an "implicit fact"? You're just making terms up as you go. I am curious why you lose so much sleep over that sentence though.

Are you following along yet?

I believe so. You're a deranged fucktard and you want to bear Jon Gold's children, is that it?

 
At 05 January, 2011 16:20, Blogger Triterope said...

Translation: "I have nothing, yet again, and you're correct as always".

Hey Brian Good, someone's copying your act.

 
At 05 January, 2011 17:23, Blogger John said...

Again, this is too good to pass up.I like that Pat Cowardly takes one issue and repeats it ad infinitum, as opposed to snug bug, who invents things as he goes along.

The original Pat was wrong citing the RJ Lee report, as all it does is mention the presence of iron spheres, not their source. However, this peer reviewed paper does:

http://www.jod911.com/drg_nist_review_2_1.pdf

On page 160 Ryan McKay mentions these points about the iron spherules:

"There is no evidence at all for large amounts of melted steel. If the spheres are formed by melting steel, it must be surface melting or some other highly localized process."

and

"It is also not known when the iron spheres were produced. The RJ Lee Group report considers samples taken several months after the collapses and it is certain that torch-cutting of steel beams as part of the cleanup process contributed some, if not all, of the spherules seen in these samples."

CONTINUED

 
At 05 January, 2011 17:31, Blogger John said...

and finally

"The quantity of these spherules is unknown, but thought to be very small - the iron rich content of all dust samples was between 0.1 and 1.3% most of which was not in the form of spherules. A large quantity would suggest melting of steel on large scales, but a small quantity suggests otherwise."

 
At 05 January, 2011 17:42, Blogger John said...

Oh, and if you want a source about "no evidence of large amounts of melted steel", he addresses this starting on page 21.

 
At 05 January, 2011 17:52, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Yo "Pat Cowardly" (aka, Andrew Bernstein)!

I've already explained the source of the iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres--and my explanation also explains why 10,000 TONS of the stuff was deposited on lower Manhattan.

Continued...

 
At 05 January, 2011 17:54, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The clean up crews were not the primary source of iron-rich spheres and alumino-silicate spheres, jackass. The USGS claims that 10,000 tons of sphere covered the debris pile at Ground Zero.

Never mind that the Towers were constructed with lightweight concrete. The concrete was, for the most part, pulverized when the Towers collapsed. Thus, the lightweight concrete is the primary source of the spheres.

Lightweight concrete, moreover, employs fly ash and pumice as aggregate.

Fly ash is primarily composed of iron-rich spheres.

Pumice, on the other hand, is composed primarily of alumino-silicate spheres.

Now, go play in the freeway, Andrew.

 
At 05 January, 2011 17:54, Blogger Ian G. said...

Nope, Ian can't provide the source either. Shocking!!

Yawn....

Why do you say I'm sure I have all the evidence? Where did I say that? There must be some Fat Slurry research class where he teaches you to "think critically" like this. Next time get a refund.

Please, just step away from the computer and try to get laid. It will do wonders for your anger problems.

 
At 05 January, 2011 18:30, Blogger John said...

And before Pat Cowardly posts the inevitable "Can't you debunkers get your story straight" I should point out that the Ryan Mackey report says:

"The significance of these spheres is still debated"

and that

"There appear to be several plausible candidates of the iron spherules...Perhaps the most obvious is the fly ash".

Both quotes are on page 160. Nowhere do they mention thermate as a candidate.

Guitar Bill, I'm curious - what is your source for the 10,000 tons of steel spheres that the USGS claimed fell on NY? I'd like to read that.

 
At 05 January, 2011 18:47, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Hi John,

As I recall, this is the source:

USGS Environmental Studies of the World Trade Center Area.

 
At 05 January, 2011 19:09, Blogger John said...

I can't find the 10,000 tons comment, but the report does consistently say that the iron particles are from building materials and concrete. So while the exact amount is under debate, the potential sources are not.

Wow. A civil debate on this blog. Whoda thunk it? :)

 
At 05 January, 2011 19:46, Blogger GuitarBill said...

John,

Look at the data (graphs) that accompany the report. As I recall, you can easily extrapolate the amount of iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres from the data.

In addition, as I recall the RJ Lee Report claims that something like 50,000 tons of iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres covered lower Manhattan. I would, however, tend to trust the USGS data over the RJ Lee Report based on methodology.

 
At 07 January, 2011 12:10, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

LOL @ Andrew!

I asked Andrew:

"Do you have any idea what salt does to steel once it's been exposed to the elements?"

His answer:

"Such embarrassing dancing and dodging... How about you just answer the question?

WTG dipshit, you've avoided the question with a question! Dodge noted!

 
At 07 January, 2011 12:38, Blogger Triterope said...

Not to mention that our brave truthseeker "PatCowardly" abandoned this thread when GB and John answered his question, but dragged his tired shit into two new threads.

What a piece of shit. I'd have permabanned him by now.

 

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