Tuesday, February 01, 2011

Wikileaks Exposes 9/11 Related Suspects

Wikileaks has its first 9/11 related leak. Unfortunately for the troofers... uhh... it looks like Arabs did it. Via the UK Telegraph:


Secret documents reveal that the three Qatari men conducted surveillance on the targets, provided “support” to the plotters and had tickets for a flight to Washington on the eve of the atrocities.

The suspected terrorists flew from London to New York on a British Airways flight three weeks before the attacks.

They allegedly carried out surveillance at the World Trade Centre, the White House and in Virginia, the US state where the Pentagon and CIA headquarters are located.

Ten days later they flew to Los Angeles, where they stationed themselves in a hotel near the airport which the FBI has now established was paid for by a “convicted terrorist”, who also paid for their airline tickets.

145 Comments:

At 01 February, 2011 19:37, Blogger snug.bug said...

How is it bad news for the truth movement that the Arabs did it?

Responsible truthers have never denied that they did.

 
At 01 February, 2011 19:42, Blogger snug.bug said...

That may be bad news for the Adam Syeds and Kevin Barrett's of the world. I don't see how it's bad news for the truth movement. Doesn't it lead to the question of how they know these guys were doing surveillance, and why they weren't questioned at the time?

According to Bob Woodward, the two alleged hijackers who were known to the CIA, alMihdhar and alHazmi, bought ten tickets for 9/11, which information could have been found through a simple credit check.

 
At 01 February, 2011 20:19, Blogger James B. said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_scotsman

 
At 01 February, 2011 20:20, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker whines, "...Responsible truthers have never denied that they did."

"Responsible" troofers?!?!?!?!?!?

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 
At 01 February, 2011 20:39, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

Who would have done this "simple credit check"? The airlines? Why risk a racial profiling lawsuit? The FBI? How would you write that warrant? Of all of the established facts the one thing for certain is that the FBI didn't have any information that AQ was planning to hijack planes so why would they be looking there to begin with.

As to why weren't they questioned, again on what grounds? Sure the FBI can question anyone they want to but all that would have happened was that they would have lawyered up, then left the country, and another team would have taken their place.

Even had the FBI been able to hold them do you think that these guys would have talked?

The attacks still happen either way.

Monday Morning Quarterbacking is not the same as actual quarterbacking, Brian.
The pilot uniforms are troubling.

 
At 01 February, 2011 20:41, Blogger snug.bug said...

Yes, responsible truthers. The kind that refuse to stick their necks out for unreplicated scientific papers, for instance. The kind that slap down bigots and con artists. And slap down liars like you.

 
At 01 February, 2011 20:44, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

Wow! Imaging that? Some Arab guys bought airline tickets for a date that means absolutely nothing BEFORE 9/11.

Again we see Brian Goods complete lack of critical thinking.

Brian lots of Arabs were looked at before 9/11 because of other earlier terror attacks. Are you saying that because we did not arrest every Arab who bought an airline ticket on 9/10/2001 or who looked at the WTC, that the US was in on the plot?

Brian, you are a true idiot, every time you post you stick your foot in your mouth.

 
At 01 February, 2011 20:47, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

responsible truthers.

An Oxymoron if it ever heard one.

Sorry Brian is I used a big word you can't understand. And yes you area simple moron.

 
At 01 February, 2011 20:50, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

You know there is a reason Brian is a simple janitor. he hasn’t the thinking ability to do much more.

 
At 01 February, 2011 20:50, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"Responsible troofers"?

You mean the "responsible troofers" who [1] resort to logical fallacies, [2] lie, [3] distort, [4] obfuscate, [5] make up their own definitions for well-defined words and phrases, [6] stalk helpless married women, [7] stalk men who refuse their homosexual advances, [8] talk out both sides of their mouth, [9] fabricate evidence, and [10] apologize for Al Qaeda?

You mean that kind of "responsible troofer"?

 
At 01 February, 2011 20:51, Blogger snug.bug said...

M Greg, you are amazingly inventive at coming up with reasons things can't be done. They were known al Qaeda. They had been living with an FBI informant.

The pilot uniforms are troubling, it was known that al Qaeda was planning attacks with airplanes. Behrooz Sarshar translated in April and June 2001 when an FBI informant told two FBI agents about upcoming al Qaeda kamikaze attacks.

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2011/01/31/911-family-members-demand-answers-from-the-911-commission-the-censored-testimony-of-fbi

The UK, Germany, Jordan, and Egypt warned of the use of aircraft as weapons. Russia warned of suicide pilots. The Cayman Islands and Italy warned of massive attacks involving airliners.

There were ample grounds fore investigating suspicious individuals. You are falling for propaganda that seeks to make defending the rights of innocent citizens seem suspect. It has never been illegal to investigate potential foreign terrorists.

 
At 01 February, 2011 20:52, Blogger snug.bug said...

No, GutterBall, those aren't responsible truthers.

I told you what I mean by responsible truthers.

 
At 01 February, 2011 20:58, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

So Brian you never answered the question, why YOU at your advanced age have to live with mom and dad? Why when most normal people have gone on to better more advanced jobs YOU can't hold down a simple janitorial gig?

I can only assume it is some form of mental retardation or just plain stupidity. Now that makes you a perfect symbol of what NOT to be as a person and certainly not someone truthers can present as a example of the brightest and best the cause has to offer. If fact the best you could do for them is quit and spare them the image of you as part of the truther movement.

 
At 01 February, 2011 21:00, Blogger snug.bug said...

DK, since both your questions are built on untrue assumptions they are meaningless.

 
At 01 February, 2011 21:08, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

"DK, since both your questions are built on untrue assumptions they are meaningless."

Well we all know it is true, hell even truthers know it is so. YOU as a person are when is by every definition of a person a low life. A person of no value. Sorry if you like to think you are more but facts are facts. Anyone who looked at you and compared you to me would clearly see I as a person am better that you. And the primary reason is I do not pimp silly conspiracy theorist crap and you do.

I am the threat to truthers because of my intelligence and you are the threat to truthers because of you stupidity.

 
At 01 February, 2011 21:08, Blogger Ian G. said...

Yes, responsible truthers. The kind that refuse to stick their necks out for unreplicated scientific papers, for instance. The kind that slap down bigots and con artists. And slap down liars like you.

In other words, the kind that don't exist.

I told you what I mean by responsible truthers.

Yes you did, and like many other things, they're a figment of your wild imagination.

Brian, if you believe Arabs did it, why do you babble endlessly about thermite and "essentially in free-fall" and "molten iron" and all the other nonsense you've repeated a billion times here?

 
At 01 February, 2011 21:13, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Ian wrote, "...Brian, if you believe Arabs did it, why do you babble endlessly about thermite and "essentially in free-fall" and "molten iron" and all the other nonsense you've repeated a billion times here?"

Because goat molester, the "responsible truther," is a compulsive liar.

 
At 01 February, 2011 21:14, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

As I said you can judge the worth of a cause by the people it attracts. Truthers have such low life as Brian, Gold, Gage Ryan, in fact I can't think of any who are worth a shit.

The worst you can say of debunkers is we get delight poking these simple little fools.

 
At 01 February, 2011 21:17, Blogger Dave Kyte said...

Brian, if you believe Arabs did it, why do you babble endlessly about thermite and "essentially in free-fall" and "molten iron" and all the other nonsense you've repeated a billion times here?

Because that is ALL Brian has, well that and a mop and bucket. If I has such an unrewarding life I might to latch onto some conspiracy theorist claptrap.

 
At 01 February, 2011 21:18, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Exactly Dave. And now the "responsible truthers" can add heroin dealer, Corey Rowe, to the list of "responsible truthers."

 
At 01 February, 2011 21:35, Blogger James B. said...

Yeah, responsible truther ranks right up there with honest thief, short NBA center, and intelligent Kardashian sister.

 
At 02 February, 2011 00:27, Blogger snug.bug said...

So James, you think Colleen Rowley, Mindy Kleinberg, and Ray McGovern are not responsible truthers? You think there's no such thing?

Ian, when did I say Arabs did it?

DK, NIST says the buildings came down "essentially in free fall". What? You think if the Saudis did it, NIST didn't say it?

 
At 02 February, 2011 01:07, Blogger eromitlab said...

I love "responsible truthers". They're the same truthers that look down their noses at all the ignorant sheeple that didn't go all in on troofy troof five minutes into one version or another of Loose Change, but they also look down their noses at all the truthers that don't meet their troofy standards of troof.

 
At 02 February, 2011 02:40, Blogger snug.bug said...

So you think Colleen Rowley, Mindy Kleinberg, and Ray McGovern look down their noses at all the ignorant sheeple that didn't go all in on troofy troof five minutes into one version or another of Loose Change?

And is that a straw man argument or what?

 
At 02 February, 2011 04:26, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat molester whines, "...DK, NIST says the buildings came down 'essentially in free fall'."

Excuse me, Mr. Cognitive Dissonance, do you agree with the NIST Report or not?

You can't have it both ways--you ignorant felcher.

 
At 02 February, 2011 04:33, Blogger Triterope said...

Ian, when did I say Arabs did it?

In the first post on this thread, you idiot.

 
At 02 February, 2011 04:39, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Triterope wrote, "...In the first post on this thread, you idiot."

And there you have it. Proof positive that Brian "goat molester" Good is nothing more than an Internet troll.

BAN HIM!

Enough of this transparent

BULLSHIT!

ENOUGH!

 
At 02 February, 2011 04:42, Blogger TroyFromWV said...

Yeah, responsible truther ranks right up there with honest thief, short NBA center, and intelligent Kardashian sister.

ROTFLMFAO

 
At 02 February, 2011 06:05, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"snug.bug said...
How is it bad news for the truth movement that the Arabs did it?"

Because BOOOOOOOOOSH did it.

Becasue the Bilderbergers did it.

Becasue Skull & Bones did it.

Becasue of the controlled demolition.

Becasue of the nanothermite.

Becasue of the supernanothermite.

Because of the SOOPERDOOPER SOOPERSEEKRET supernanothernite. With cheese.

Becasue of the guy on the grassy knoll.

Becasue of the space beams.

Becasue of the mutated trained attack baboons.

Becasue you and your ilk are irredemably insane.

 
At 02 February, 2011 06:06, Blogger Lazarus Long said...

"snug.bug said...
Yes, responsible truthers."

HAHAHAHAHAHAAAA@!!!!!!!!!

 
At 02 February, 2011 07:09, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

Ian, when did I say Arabs did it?

You don't say Arabs did it, but you don't say Arabs didn't do it, and you don't say any other person(s) or entity(ies) did or didn't do it either. When pressed for what you do believe on any particular item, you claim to have no opinion.

Is it just me, or does snuggie have great skill at saying nothing with a lot of words?

 
At 02 February, 2011 07:23, Blogger Ian G. said...

So James, you think Colleen Rowley, Mindy Kleinberg, and Ray McGovern are not responsible truthers? You think there's no such thing?

No, they're not "responsible". They're either lunatics, charlatans, or total ignoramuses.

Ian, when did I say Arabs did it?

Right here:

How is it bad news for the truth movement that the Arabs did it?

Christ, Brian. You don't even read your own posts, do you?

DK, NIST says the buildings came down "essentially in free fall".

False.

You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you Brian? You really should leave the subject of 9/11 to sane people who understand it.

 
At 02 February, 2011 08:32, Blogger Pat said...

The responsible Troofers believe that Al Qaeda did it. But it wasn't going to be spectacular enough, so the government did the controlled demolition with the aid of Larry Silverstein.

 
At 02 February, 2011 09:35, Blogger Bill said...

Come now guys, there is such a thing as a "responsible truther"; more appropriately, there was. They slowly disappeared after 2007. Those that exist(ed) after only last for about 2 months tops, after they receive a reality check.

 
At 02 February, 2011 09:59, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

I told you what I mean by responsible truthers.

Hey, that floor isn't going to clean itself Brian. Get back to work!

 
At 02 February, 2011 10:39, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

"The responsible Troofers believe that Al Qaeda did it. " Patricide Hugh-ly

And responsible fat debunkers cite sources for the origins of the melted iron instead of, you know, making shit up. Ooops! You wouldn't know anything about responsibility, would you Fatty?

 
At 02 February, 2011 11:09, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

Cowardly, are you any relation to Steven E. and Nancy H. Bernstein?

 
At 02 February, 2011 11:13, Blogger Pat said...

Speaking of sources, what's the source of this:

"I'm a family member, my uncle died on 9-11, what do you mean I'm spitting on his memory? I resent that I really resent that."

 
At 02 February, 2011 12:11, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

Speaking of sources, what's the source of this:

"I'm a family member, my uncle died on 9-11, what do you mean I'm spitting on his memory? I resent that I really resent that."

-PAThetic, Loserly

Nice dodge, Chubster. You'll never answer the question, because the answer discredits and exposes you.

Your quote comes from someone you wish were me, but is not. You'll probably continue to lie about it, though, because that's what you fat fraudsters tend to do: ignore their inconvenient lies, and shift the focus to some imagined, irrelevant topic.

WHAT's THE SOURCE FOR YOUR "EXPLANATION" OF THE ORIGIN OF THE MELTED IRON IN THE DUST, PAT?

Why are you so afraid, fat boy?

 
At 02 February, 2011 12:26, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

WHAT's THE SOURCE FOR YOUR "EXPLANATION" OF THE ORIGIN OF THE MELTED IRON IN THE DUST, PAT?

Opinions don't need to be sourced.

Are you any relation to Steven E. and Nancy H. Bernstein?

 
At 02 February, 2011 13:17, Blogger anonymous said...

Pat said...

Speaking of sources, what's the source of this:

"I'm a family member, my uncle died on 9-11, what do you mean I'm spitting on his memory? I resent that I really resent that.


incidentally why do you keep pushing a holocaust denier's[syed] lies about ppl?

 
At 02 February, 2011 13:49, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

And responsible fat debunkers cite sources for the origins of the melted iron instead of, you know, making shit up.

I find it interesting that Truthers would say that there was "melted steel/iron".

But then again there's a question that begs an answer:

If there was "molten steel/iron" the how come no reports of gold & silver melted in the WTCs' basement?

If there wasn't any reports of melted gold & silver, then that must mean that the "molten steel/iron" is garbage & Truthers are just making that shit up.

 
At 02 February, 2011 14:58, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...incidentally why do you keep pushing a holocaust denier's[syed] lies about ppl?"

The father of 9/11 truth is a "man" named Eric Hufschmid. Hufschmid wrote the first book to question the "official" story of 9/11. The book is titled Painful Questions.

Eric Hufschmid is a holocaust denier.

So, "truther" scum, why are YOU spreading lies "invented by a Holocaust denier"?

Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, goat fucker.

 
At 02 February, 2011 15:55, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

"If there wasn't any reports of melted gold & silver, then that must mean that the "molten steel/iron" is garbage & Truthers are just making that shit up." -Chewy Pretense

Yeah, you tried that at JREF too, and it was just as stupid. Curley's crack research team strikes again. Try reading the scientific reports about how much melted iron they found in the dust, douchebag.

"Opinions don't need to be sourced." -Raging Testicle

Wow, so Testicles chooses to believe Pat's opinion rather than competent scientists' reports. Now THAT's some dumbunkassing, yo! Someone go wake up Roberts and Mackey! They'll respect you, Testicles!

 
At 02 February, 2011 16:09, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Uber-douchebag "Pat Cowardly" (aka "Cosmos"/Andrew Bernstein) lies through his teeth, "...Try reading the scientific reports about how much melted iron they found in the dust, douchebag."

Again, for the 100th time, this is a link to the RJ Lee Report:

Source: WTC Dust Signature Report: Composition and Morphology: Summary Report, Prepared for: Deutsche Bank.

Cite the RJ Lee Report as concerns the source of the iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres. A simple cut-and-paste from the RJ Lee Report will suffice.

You can't cite the RJ Lee Report as concerns the source of the iron-rich and alumino-silicate spheres?

Then STFU.

 
At 02 February, 2011 16:14, Blogger anonymous said...

GuitarBill said...

"...incidentally why do you keep pushing a holocaust denier's[syed] lies about ppl?"

The father of 9/11 truth is a "man" named Eric Hufschmid. Hufschmid wrote the first book to question the "official" story of 9/11. The book is titled Painful Questions.


You're changing the subject.
Why are you still repeating Syed's lies? You did it again
Uber-douchebag "Pat Cowardly" (aka "Cosmos"/Andrew Bernstein)

Only ppl sayiing Bernstien=Cosmos are CITards. Cuz they invented it.

 
At 02 February, 2011 16:19, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker resorts to another logical fallacy and scribbles, "...Why are you still repeating Syed's lies?"

Excuse me, douchebag, but you haven't proven that anyone lied about "Cosmos" alleged blood relationship to Mickey Rothenberg.

Try again, douchebag.

 
At 02 February, 2011 16:36, Blogger anonymous said...

GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker resorts to another logical fallacy and scribbles, "...Why are you still repeating Syed's lies?"

Excuse me, douchebag, but you haven't proven that anyone lied about "Cosmos" alleged blood relationship to Mickey Rothenberg.

Try again, douchebag.

02 February, 2011 16:19


And Syed didn't prove Bernstien is Cosmos. Cuz its not true. But you believe it anyway. Guess you believe in Santa Claus too lol

 
At 02 February, 2011 16:47, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat molester lies through his rotten teeth, "...And Syed didn't prove Bernstien is Cosmos. Cuz its not true. But you believe it anyway. Guess you believe in Santa Claus too lol"

The following article proves that Bernstein is "Cosmos."

Sheldrake Discusses 9/11 & UNITED 93 With Andrew Bernstein (Whose Uncle Was on Flight 93).

The article reads in part--and I quote: "...This is a long piece. First we talk about September 11th; then his uncle, Mickey Rothenberg, and the family; then the family’s involvement in the making of UNITED 93 and then Andrews personal memories of the premiere here in New York at the Tribeca Film Festival and one very special encounter standing in the men’s room line at the premiere..."

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, goat molester.

 
At 02 February, 2011 17:08, Blogger anonymous said...

The following article proves that Bernstein is "Cosmos."

Sheldrake Discusses 9/11 & UNITED 93 With Andrew Bernstein (Whose Uncle Was on Flight 93).


No it doesn't. No where in the article is Cosmos mentioned

The article reads in part--and I quote: "...This is a long piece. First we talk about September 11th; then his uncle, Mickey Rothenberg, and the family; then the family’s involvement in the making of UNITED 93 and then Andrews personal memories of the premiere here in New York at the Tribeca Film Festival and one very special encounter standing in the men’s room line at the premiere..."

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, goat molester.

02 February, 2011 16:47


Again nothing about Cosmos. And this Mickey guy is Bernstien's bio uncle. Cosmos said repeatedly Mickey wasn't his bio uncle but a friend of the fam.

NOT THE SAME GUY
YOU FAIL

 
At 02 February, 2011 17:10, Blogger anonymous said...

THANKS FOR PLAYING

 
At 02 February, 2011 17:15, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Wrong again, douchebag!

The only person who constantly claims that Mickey Rothenberg is his uncle is "Cosmos."

Given the aforementioned article, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to deduce the real identity of "Cosmos."

(Well, in your case it's clear that deductive logic is beyond your severely limited cognitive capabilities).

Thanks for playing, and enjoy your bowl of crow, goat fucker.

 
At 02 February, 2011 17:19, Blogger Pat said...

Guess I'll have to post the source for the "I'm a family member" comment by Cosmos, tomorrow morning.

 
At 02 February, 2011 17:23, Blogger anonymous said...

GuitarBill said...

Wrong again, douchebag!

The only person who constantly claims that Mickey Rothenberg is his uncle is "Cosmos."

??????

You got a hella paranoia streak there. Dude, Bernstein said Mickey is his Uncle. Proving your statement wrong. Unless you believe they ONLY people on the planet who claim Mickey is an uncle is Cosmos? That's some insane troll logic.
And

YOU FAIL LOGIC FOREVER

 
At 02 February, 2011 17:25, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker lies through his rotten teeth, "...Again nothing about Cosmos. And this Mickey guy is Bernstien's bio uncle. Cosmos said repeatedly Mickey wasn't his bio uncle but a friend of the fam."

Here's the proof that you're lying, goat fucker.

What's this at 6 minutes and 38 seconds into the video?

"...It matters to me. I lost my uncle Mickey on 9/11. It matters to other people who lost their relatives; their friends; their loved ones."

Source: YouTube: Hard Evidence Tour Sydney Oz 2009 - Cosmos www.truthaction.org Clip 1.

I listened to the entire video, and I can't find a single statement that clarifies "Uncle Mickey"'s real relationship to your family.

Finally, what's this, goat fucker?

"...8 years since my uncle was MURDERED and I get some dumb ass piece of shit bitch insulting me because I dare to question the circumstances under which he was murdered? FUCK. YOU. This message is inspired by some dumb little know nothing Glenn Beck fan in Kentucky but if you're reading this and you're also an idiot - FUCK YOU TOO!"

Source: TruthAction.org: A MESSAGE TO IDIOTS.

Thanks for playing, and enjoy your bowl of crow, goat fucker.

 
At 02 February, 2011 17:26, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Pat wrote, "...Guess I'll have to post the source for the "I'm a family member" comment by Cosmos, tomorrow morning."

Not to worry, Pat, I've got you covered.

 
At 02 February, 2011 17:26, Blogger anonymous said...

Pat said...

Guess I'll have to post the source for the "I'm a family member" comment by Cosmos, tomorrow morning.

02 February, 2011 17:19


No, you'll have to post the source that PROVES this Andy Bernstien guy is Cosmos.

A source that has no connection to Holocaust denier Syed.

or his buddies.
or his ex buddies.

Dude, you know its a lie. Give it up.

 
At 02 February, 2011 17:29, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker continues to lies, "...You got a hella paranoia streak there. Dude, Bernstein said Mickey is his Uncle. Proving your statement wrong. Unless you believe they ONLY people on the planet who claim Mickey is an uncle is Cosmos? That's some insane troll logic.
And."


Really? No kidding?

What's this, douchebag?

Source: SLC: Cosmos Been Lyin'?

 
At 02 February, 2011 17:30, Blogger anonymous said...

GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker lies through his rotten teeth, "...Again nothing about Cosmos. And this Mickey guy is Bernstien's bio uncle. Cosmos said repeatedly Mickey wasn't his bio uncle but a friend of the fam."

Here's the proof that you're lying, goat fucker.

What's this at 6 minutes and 38 seconds into the video?


Blah blah tl,dr cuz You changed the subject. You said you proved Bernstien was Cosmos. You didn't. All you proved is some other guy said Mickey was his uncle. Since its possible to be an uncle to more than one person..

YOU FAIL LOGIC FOREVER

 
At 02 February, 2011 17:33, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker whines, "...No, you'll have to post the source that PROVES this Andy Bernstien guy is Cosmos."

I've already proven that you're lying with the following posts here and here.

Thus, you lose, goat fucker.

Enjoy your bowl of crow, goat fucker.

 
At 02 February, 2011 17:34, Blogger anonymous said...

What's this, douchebag?

Source: SLC: Cosmos Been Lyin'?

02 February, 2011 17:29


Self referential sourcing. Will get you bounced from wikipedia. Also links to Syed's shit. So

YOU FAIL AGAIN

dude save yourself embarrassment. You guys are wrong about Comsos being Bernstien. And its obvious why...your source was a holocaust denier with an axe to grind.

Duh.

 
At 02 February, 2011 17:37, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker continues to lie, "...Blah blah tl,dr cuz You changed the subject. You said you proved Bernstien was Cosmos."

I didn't change the subject at all-you cretin.

I proved that Andrew Bernstein is "Cosmos" and I proved that "Cosmos" claims "Uncle Mickey" is a blood relative.

Check and mate!

Enjoy your bowl of crow, douchebag.

 
At 02 February, 2011 17:37, Blogger anonymous said...

GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker whines, "...No, you'll have to post the source that PROVES this Andy Bernstien guy is Cosmos."

I've already proven ...


No you didn't. You're just repeating bs. cuz you KNOW you're wrong about Cosmos being Bernstien. Hey, I got guy who might be up to contacting Bernstien. You wouldn't mind that would you?

 
At 02 February, 2011 17:40, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker continues to lie, "...Self referential sourcing. Will get you bounced from wikipedia. Also links to Syed's shit."

Wrong again, douchbag. The video contains DIRECT QUOTES from "Cosmos" lying lips. So you can shove that crap about "[s]elf referential sourcing."

 
At 02 February, 2011 17:43, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...No you didn't. You're just repeating bs. cuz you KNOW you're wrong about Cosmos being Bernstien."

You haven't proven anything. All you've given us is your worthless opinion, which is backed by nothing more than hot air.

"...Hey, I got guy who might be up to contacting Bernstien. You wouldn't mind that would you?"

You have no credibility, as I've already proven.

Check and mate!

 
At 02 February, 2011 17:46, Blogger anonymous said...

GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker continues to lie, "...Self referential sourcing. Will get you bounced from wikipedia. Also links to Syed's shit."

Wrong again, douchbag. The video contains DIRECT QUOTES from "Cosmos" lying lips. So you can shove that crap about "[s]elf referential sourcing."

02 February, 2011 17:40


K this is how you do it...you link TO THE SOURCE..not back to the blog. If I was editing wiki and I used as my source another wiki article, I would be in hella trouble.

And none of those prove Cosmos is Bernstien. That's just something Syed made up. But I'm sure Bernstien would be glad to talk about it. You wouldn't mind anyone asking Bernstien about this would you?

 
At 02 February, 2011 17:48, Blogger anonymous said...

"...Hey, I got guy who might be up to contacting Bernstien. You wouldn't mind that would you?"

You have no credibility, as I've already proven.



Moar insane troll logic. That doesn't even make sense. Do you want to talk to Bernstien or not?

 
At 02 February, 2011 17:50, Blogger GuitarBill said...

I already gave you the sources, douchbag.

I gave you a direct link to YouTube and a direct link to TruthAction.org.

Check and mate!

 
At 02 February, 2011 17:52, Blogger anonymous said...

Here's the email of the guy who interviewed Bernstien

merrick(AT)aintitcool(DOT)com

Bet he'd be happy to help. Cuz he probably agrees with you guys about 911 stuff.

 
At 02 February, 2011 17:52, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...Moar [SIC] insane troll logic. That doesn't even make sense. Do you want to talk to Bernstien or not?"

Good job, spelling bee champ.

I gave you the links that prove you're full-of-shit.

Furthermore, I wouldn't trust you to produce Andrew Bernstein, or anyone else. After all, you're a 9/11 "truther," which means you're a compulsive liar, as are all 9/11 "truthers."

 
At 02 February, 2011 17:54, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Give it up, ass face.

You lost--and the links I provided prove that you're a liar.

Now, crawl back into your bomb shelter, Pinocchio.

 
At 02 February, 2011 17:55, Blogger anonymous said...

GuitarBill said...

I already gave you the sources, douchbag.

I gave you a direct link to YouTube and a direct link to TruthAction.org.

Check and mate!

02 February, 2011 17:50


Better. But it still doesn't prove Bernstien is Cosmos. Only paranoid CIT cultards believe that.
Talk to the Glen Oliver guy. He'll straighten you out.

l8r :D

 
At 02 February, 2011 17:58, Blogger anonymous said...

Furthermore, I wouldn't trust you to produce Andrew Bernstein, or anyone else. After all, you're a 9/11 "truther," which means you're a compulsive liar, as are all 9/11 "truthers."

02 February, 2011 17:52


Dude now you're just paranoid. You don't have to trust me. You can talk to Oliver yourself. Email's right there. If you don't use it someone else will.

Cuz you're too chicken...cuz you know you're wrong.

 
At 02 February, 2011 18:01, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Yes, I did prove that Bernstein is "Cosmos."

I gave you videos and a web page where "Cosmos" lies about his alleged blood relationship to "Uncle Mickey." In addition, I gave you a link to an article where Andrew Bernstein claims his "Uncle Mickey" perished on Flight 93.

Since "Cosmos" is the only person in the 9/11 "truth" movement who claims to be related by blood to "Uncle Mickey" it's obvious that "Cosmos" is Andrew Bernstein.

It's simple deductive logic, whether you're honest enough to accept the facts, or not.

Now, get out of here, Pinocchio.

 
At 02 February, 2011 18:01, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

The only person who constantly claims that Mickey Rothenberg is his uncle is "Cosmos."

While I'm not aware of anything confirming that Cosmos/YT == "Andrew Bernstein", it's pretty clear that Bernstein is a fraud. Read the aintitcool interview and then read the news report about Rothenberg. Bernstein is just reciting facts from the news story.

Given that Bernstein is now about 30 and is a fraud, and Cosmos/YT appears about 30 and is a fraud, it's not a stretch to assume they're the same person.

I've seen references to Pat Cowardly outing himself as Cosmos, which I have not personally witnessed. Though it is hard to ignore the fact that Cowardly's activity here usually occurs around the same time as YT's online activities at Truthaction.

 
At 02 February, 2011 18:08, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"Pat Cowardly" appeared at the same time that the "Cosmos Been Lyin'?" article was posted to SLC.

"Pat Cowardly" threw an hysterical hissy fit about Pat's expose of "Cosmos."

It's obvious that "Pat Cowardly" is "Cosmos."

As Shakespeare wrote, "...The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

 
At 02 February, 2011 18:11, Blogger anonymous said...

While I'm not aware of anything confirming that Cosmos/YT == "Andrew Bernstein",

The first step of recovery...admitting your wrong. Good job, dude!

Given that Bernstein is now about 30 and is a fraud, and Cosmos/YT appears about 30 and is a fraud, it's not a stretch to assume they're the same person.

Yes it is a stretch. You go from Bernstien is about 30, a fuzzy statement(source?) to Cosmos appears to be 30, that's purely subjective.

So you got...a big pile of unsubstantiated nothing. Maybe you want to email Oliver?

This is almost as fun as playing with 'creationists', lol

 
At 02 February, 2011 18:15, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Wrong again, goat fucker.

You were PROVEN wrong here and here.

And so far, you've provided not one iota of evidence that proves I'm wrong. And your worthless opinion isn't evidence.

 
At 02 February, 2011 18:17, Blogger anonymous said...

GuitarBill said...

"Pat Cowardly" appeared at the same time that the "Cosmos Been Lyin'?" article was posted to SLC.


Yeah, cuz many truthers thought that retarditry deserved to be hella trolled. But you're saying the only person who could possibly want to do that is Cosmos? By that lolgic I'm Cosmos.

YOU FAIL LOGIC FOREVER

"Pat Cowardly" threw an hysterical hissy fit about Pat's expose of "Cosmos."

See above many truthers thinking Pat is a total retard, especially for listening to Holocaust denier Syed. But of all those truthers it could ONLY be Cosmos... uh huh.

YOU FAIL LOGIC FOREVER

It's obvious that "Pat Cowardly" is "Cosmos."

Only to the paranoid who use insane troll logic.

YOU FAIL LOGIC FOREVER

 
At 02 February, 2011 18:21, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

The first step of recovery...admitting your wrong. Good job, dude!

Uh... thanks?

Yes it is a stretch. You go from Bernstien is about 30, a fuzzy statement(source?) to Cosmos appears to be 30, that's purely subjective.

Public records list an Andrew H Bernstein, now 30, with addresses in both State College, PA and Los Angeles, CA. This matches the aintitcool Bernstein. Research, dude. Try it sometime.

Say anonymous -- you appeared here pretty much the same moment I mentioned Bernstein's parents, Steven and Nancy. Why is that? Nervous?

 
At 02 February, 2011 18:24, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Your opinion isn't evidence, fucktard.

You were proven wrong here and here.

The truth is that your "logic" utterly fails.

Why?

Because so far, you've provided not one iota of evidence to back your claims.

On the other hand, I've provided a mountain of evidence, which you refuse to address, that proves you're wrong.

Again, your worthless opinion isn't evidence.

ANOTHER EPIC FAILURE FOR THE 9/11 "TRUTH" MOVEMENT.

 
At 02 February, 2011 18:25, Blogger anonymous said...

Public records list an Andrew H Bernstein, now 30, with addresses in both State College, PA and Los Angeles, CA. This matches the aintitcool Bernstein. Research, dude. Try it sometime.


It was your job to do the digging cuz you made the assertion. Good job, btw. Now prove Cosmos is 30 or "about 30". Till then you got nothing.

Say anonymous -- you appeared here pretty much the same moment I mentioned Bernstein's parents, Steven and Nancy. Why is that? Nervous?

02 February, 2011 18:21


Don't know what you're talking about.

 
At 02 February, 2011 18:28, Blogger anonymous said...

GuitarBill said...

Your opinion isn't evidence, fucktard.


Neither is yours. So you gonna man up and email Oliver or what?

Here's the addy again
merrick(AT)aintitcool(DOT)com
Since you don't trust me...

COSMOS IS NOT BERNSTIEN

 
At 02 February, 2011 18:32, Blogger GuitarBill said...

I didn't offer you my opinion, idiot.

I gave you hard evidence--and the links I provided--here and here--prove you're lying.

So far, all you've offered is your opinion. You've offered not one iota of evidence to prove me wrong.

Produce hard evidence, or STFU.

Your opinion IS NOT EVIDENCE.

 
At 02 February, 2011 18:40, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

Don't know what you're talking about.

Sure you do. I first mentioned Steven and Nancy Bernstein at 02 February, 2011 11:09 and 11:26. You appeared at 13:17, out of the blue, with the singular agenda of asserting that Berstein isn't Cosmos. Pat Cowardly disappears when you're around. Could be a coincidence I suppose.

It seems you had foreknowledge of that info about Andrew Bernstein. Interesting.

 
At 02 February, 2011 18:40, Blogger anonymous said...

Produce hard evidence, or STFU.

Backatcha buddy.

Hard evidence of Cosmos being Bernstien would be

Identical posts
Identical addresses, phone numbers, etc
People corroborating that they're the same.

Some blog/article that inyour opinion sorta kinda maybe sounds like it might kinda maybe be the same guy...if you really really want it to be...is not hard evidence.

And you can get more hard evidence by emailing Oliver...who will tell you you're wrong.

An article about Berstien doesn't prove anyone else is Bersntien. You know that. That's why you're getting so mad. All it takes is one person reading this blog to email Oliver and you're sunk. LOL.

Dude, you act like you're in a cult. Just sayin.

Email Oliver or GTFO

 
At 02 February, 2011 18:48, Blogger GuitarBill said...

That's not hard evidence, that's your opinion, which is backed by nothing more than pure wind.

You're a typical 9/11 "truther." Your standards of evidence are so low as to be nonexistent.

You, moreover, have not provided one iota of evidence to prove the evidence I offered here and here is wrong.

Try again, idiot. And this time, engage your brain before you post.

 
At 02 February, 2011 19:01, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

Oh, fuck me. Don't tell me anonymous is Allen Bennett Russell, disgraced Portland Craigslist Troofer-terrorist. Something about that last post... I've seen this asshole before, a long time ago.

Dude. Disappear before I fuck you over again. You know who this is.

 
At 02 February, 2011 19:17, Blogger GuitarBill said...

RGT,

Is this the Allen Bennett Russell you mention?

Bittersweet Mandate.

If so, we've got a real whack job on our hands.

 
At 02 February, 2011 19:36, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

Is this the Allen Bennett Russell you mention?

That's the guy. Long story short, he emailed me death threats so I brought him unwanted attention. He's fucking crazy. I could be wrong but those last two posts from anonymous are dead-on matches, and a couple others have the smell now I see them again.

I don't think Cowardly is the same guy after all.

 
At 02 February, 2011 20:25, Blogger anonymous said...

Andrew Bernstein
Andrew Bernstein
Nephew of Mickey Rothenberg


As the one family member who works in entertainment, I like to consider myself someone who can step back and look at United 93 objectively. As a piece of cinema it is extraordinary, truly a work of art. It doesn't fall into the conventions of the typical Hollywood movie and tastefully memorialises a crucial event in American history.



Internet Movie Data Base

More at IMDbPro »
Andrew Bernstein (I)
Second Unit Director or Assistant Director

Director

House M.D. (TV series)
– 5 to 9 (2010)
– Remorse (2010)
– The Social Contract (2009)
– Painless (2009)
– Adverse Events (2008)



House wiki
Director(s)
Andrew Bernstein
Writer(s)
Carol Green & Dustin Paddock


FFS BERNSTEIN DIDNT HAVE TIME TO MOONLIGHT DOING TRUTHER STUFF WITH A FULL TV DIRECTOR SCHEDULE

BERNSTEIN IS NOT COSMOS

CHECKMATE
THANK YOU FOR PLAYIING

 
At 02 February, 2011 20:31, Blogger GuitarBill said...

No cigar, numb nuts.

All you've managed to prove is that Andrew Bernstein has lied about his alleged blood relationship to Mickey Rothenberg under his real name and the alias "Cosmos."

Your specious claim that "BERNSTEIN DIDNT HAVE TIME TO MOONLIGHT DOING TRUTHER STUFF WITH A FULL TV DIRECTOR SCHEDULE" is pure speculation, not a fact.

As I stated earlier, you're typical 9/11 "truther". Your standards of evidence are so low as to be nonexistent.

ANOTHER EPIC FAILURE FOR THE 9/11 "TRUTH" MOVEMENT.

 
At 02 February, 2011 20:34, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

FFS BERNSTEIN DIDNT HAVE TIME TO MOONLIGHT DOING TRUTHER STUFF WITH A FULL TV DIRECTOR SCHEDULE

That Andrew Bernstein had an acting role in 1976, 4 years before our Andrew Bernstein was born.

I accept your apology. Now piss off.

 
At 02 February, 2011 20:59, Blogger anonymous said...

That Andrew Bernstein had an acting role in 1976, 4 years before our Andrew Bernstein was born.


LOL. Okay I failed that one. But yah gotta admit there can't be too many Andrew Bernstien's in Hollywood. Shouldn't be too hard to find him.

Now reread your post

Public records list an Andrew H Bernstein, now 30, with addresses in both State College, PA and Los Angeles, CA. This matches the aintitcool Bernstein.

Is there any evidence Cosmos lived in PA? Or even LA?

*crickets*

 
At 02 February, 2011 21:07, Blogger Pat said...

Amazing how he consistently misspells Bernstein's name, eh?

 
At 02 February, 2011 21:12, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Excuse me, dickhead.

You have utterly failed to address the evidence I presented above.

I've proven, with video and written evidence, that "Cosmos" claims to be a blood relative of "Uncle Mickey."

The idiot scribbles, "...Is there any evidence Cosmos lived in PA?"

From the horse's mouth:

ANDREW: "I was actually a senior at Penn State."

Source: Sheldrake Discusses 9/11 & UNITED 93 With Andrew Bernstein (Whose Uncle Was on Flight 93)

Last time I checked, Penn State is located in Pennsylvania.

Is that evidence enough for you, twit?

 
At 02 February, 2011 21:22, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

Amazing how he consistently misspells Bernstein's name, eh?

Except when pulling up IMDB info. Also cute that the anonymous at 16:14 writes in a different character from the anonymous at 20:59, but with the same misspelling.

Incidentally, our Andrew Bernstein worked for Paul Schiff Productions and is therefore probably this one.

 
At 02 February, 2011 22:39, Blogger Pat said...

Anonymous is 911TruthNotLizards, another Truth Action zombie. Real name is Greg.

 
At 03 February, 2011 09:32, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

Yeah, you tried that at JREF too, and it was just as stupid. Curley's crack research team strikes again. Try reading the scientific reports about how much melted iron they found in the dust, douchebag.

Cowardly, it's not "stupid". It's just something you retards completely forgot & I brought it up. You can't explain why there isn't any melted gold & silver & that right there proves that you're making up shit about molten steel/iron.

The report on the dust samples aren't from official sources. So if it's not tested, then explain why noone @ Ground Zero found molten steel/iron? Oh you can't because you're an idiot!

 
At 03 February, 2011 23:10, Blogger snug.bug said...

WAQo, Dr. Astaneh-Asl said "I saw melting of girders at World Trade Center". I have told you this at least three times and you're lying to pretend that I haven't.

Captain Philip Ruvolo, FDNY, said there was "molten steel, running down the channel rails like lava, like a volcano".

Why didn't the gold melt? Uh, maybe it was in a fireproof vault?

 
At 03 February, 2011 23:27, Blogger VidTruth said...

Here's the best part about your ridiculous theories...considering wikileaks is now a known CIA asset, you and your establishment talking points, and your politically correct, vaccine zombie, fluoride head rhetoric is foiled again! LOL

 
At 03 February, 2011 23:47, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 03 February, 2011 23:56, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...considering wikileaks is now a known CIA asset..."

Go back to Rense.com, nut bag.

 
At 04 February, 2011 06:08, Blogger Ian G. said...

WAQo, Dr. Astaneh-Asl said "I saw melting of girders at World Trade Center". I have told you this at least three times and you're lying to pretend that I haven't.

We know, Brian. We just don't care, since you're a babbling liar.

Captain Philip Ruvolo, FDNY, said there was "molten steel, running down the channel rails like lava, like a volcano".

Nobody cares.

Why didn't the gold melt? Uh, maybe it was in a fireproof vault?

Was that vault made out of steel, petgoat?

Boy, it's funny how you expect us to take your babbling lies seriously!

 
At 04 February, 2011 06:09, Blogger Ian G. said...

Here's the best part about your ridiculous theories...considering wikileaks is now a known CIA asset, you and your establishment talking points, and your politically correct, vaccine zombie, fluoride head rhetoric is foiled again! LOL

You forgot to mention chemtrails. Also, are modified attack baboons CIA assets?

 
At 04 February, 2011 06:36, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

WAQo, Dr. Astaneh-Asl said "I saw melting of girders at World Trade Center".

An isolated, uncorroborated eyewitness report is of limited probative value.

Captain Philip Ruvolo, FDNY, said there was "molten steel, running down the channel rails like lava, like a volcano".

See above. It's not that anybody's trying to ignore that data, it's just that the data is of low value.

 
At 04 February, 2011 10:03, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

WAQo, Dr. Astaneh-Asl said "I saw melting of girders at World Trade Center". I have told you this at least three times and you're lying to pretend that I haven't.

Who gives a shit about you repeating the same fucking quote over & over again? Noone!

Brian, did you know that the debris @ Ground Zero only reached 1,341*F in some areas? Of course you didn't because you're too fucked up to do porper research on 9/11.

Steel melts @ 2,600 - 2,800*F, does it look like 1,341*F is enough to produce molten steel? Not it's not you fucking moron!

Just remember, you're a janitor, not a scentist or engineer or a firefighter. You're a worthless piece of shit!

 
At 04 February, 2011 18:25, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat molester continues to misrepresent Dr. Astaneh-Asl's opinion and scribbles, "...WAQo, Dr. Astaneh-Asl said 'I saw melting of girders at World Trade Center'. I have told you this at least three times and you're lying to pretend that I haven't."

You're quote mining again, goat molester.

Dr. Astaneh-Asl is referring to the charred truss from World Trade Center building 7. The phenomenon was explained in a New York Times article that appeared on 2 October 2001.

The New York Times article reads in part, "...One piece Dr. Astaneh-Asl saw was a charred horizontal I-beam from 7 World Trade Center, a 47-story skyscraper that collapsed from fire eight hours after the attacks. The beam, so named because its cross-section looks like a capital I, had clearly endured searing temperatures. Parts of the flat top of the I, once five-eighths of an inch thick, had vaporized."


The NYT article continues below...

 
At 04 February, 2011 18:27, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Continued...

"...Less clear was whether the beam had been charred after the collapse, as it lay in the pile of burning rubble, or whether it had been engulfed in the fire that led to the building's collapse, which would provide a more telling clue.

"The answer lay in the beam's twisted shape. As weight pushed down, the center portion had buckled outward.

"'This tells me it buckled while it was attached to the column,' not as it fell, Dr. Astaneh-Asl said, adding, 'It had burned first, then buckled.'"


Source: The New York Times: Scarred Steel Holds Clues, And Remedies.

BUSTED MISREPRESENTING EXPERT OPINION AGAIN, GOAT MOLESTER!

 
At 04 February, 2011 18:31, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Continued...

"...Less clear was whether the beam had been charred after the collapse, as it lay in the pile of burning rubble, or whether it had been engulfed in the fire that led to the building's collapse, which would provide a more telling clue.

"The answer lay in the beam's twisted shape. As weight pushed down, the center portion had buckled outward.

"'This tells me it buckled while it was attached to the column,' not as it fell, Dr. Astaneh-Asl said, adding, 'It had burned first, then buckled.'"


Continued...

 
At 04 February, 2011 18:31, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Continued...

Source: The New York Times: Scarred Steel Holds Clues, And Remedies.

BUSTED MISREPRESENTING EXPERT OPINION AGAIN, GOAT MOLESTER!

 
At 04 February, 2011 18:32, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Continued...

Source: The New York Times: Scarred Steel Holds Clues, And Remedies.

BUSTED MISREPRESENTING EXPERT OPINION AGAIN, GOAT MOLESTER!

 
At 04 February, 2011 18:34, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Continued...

Source: The New York Times:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B05E6DC123DF931A35753C1A9679C8B63

Scarred Steel Holds Clues, And Remedies.

BUSTED MISREPRESENTING EXPERT OPINION AGAIN, GOAT MOLESTER!

 
At 05 February, 2011 10:57, Blogger snug.bug said...

RGT, Dr. Astaneh-Asl's report about melted girders is corroborated by Dr. Ghoniem and by Captain Philip Ruvolo, FDNY.

WAQo, 1341 F was the surface temperature. This was indicative of far greater temps under the surface.

GutterBall, I think Dr. Astaneh-Asl, who is a professor of structural engineering at Berkeley, knows the difference between a charred truss and a melted girder.

I didn't misrepresent anything. He said he saw "melting of girders". You, liar, are trying to claim he saw a "charred truss".

 
At 05 February, 2011 11:25, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Goat molester--you illiterate fuck.

The words "charred truss" were written by the author of New York Times article, which merely repeated.

But that's beside the point, because you're a scumbag who's trying to create confusion because I caught you lying red-handed.

Keep reading it until you get it through your thick skull, asshole:

"'This tells me it buckled while it was attached to the column,' not as it fell, Dr. Astaneh-Asl said, adding, 'It had burned first, then buckled.'"

In other words--you God damned idiot--the truss was "attached to the column" while it buckled. That means it didn't fail as the result of "melting."

Furthermore, Dr. Astaneh-Asl has stated repeatedly that "those were lightweight buildings, there was no need for explosives to bring them down." He has also made it clear on numerous occasions that the 9/11 "truth" movement is deliberately misinterpreting his opinion, as you are doing today.

You are the liar, goat molester.

 
At 05 February, 2011 12:02, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Continued...

And don't try to play semantic games--you fucktard.

Synonyms for girder

Synonyms: I-beam, joist, rafter, tiebeam, truss

Source: Girder Synonyms.

Thus, "I-beam" and "truss" are synonymous for girder.

The New York Times wrote, "...One piece Dr. Astaneh-Asl saw was a charred horizontal I-beam from 7 World Trade Center, a 47-story skyscraper that collapsed from fire eight hours after the attacks. The beam, so named because its cross-section looks like a capital I, had clearly endured searing temperatures. Parts of the flat top of the I, once five-eighths of an inch thick, had vaporized."

Face it, goat molester, I caught you misleading the reader again. Dr. Astaneh-Asl is NOT a fucking troofer, no matter how many attempts you make to twist his words and sow confusion.

Check and mate.

 
At 05 February, 2011 12:59, Blogger GuitarBill said...

What's this, cretin?

Mr. Astaneh-Asl also rejects such alternative theories. "I certainly don't buy into any of the conspiracy stuff," he says.

"Those are lightweight buildings," he adds. "There was no need for explosives to bring them down."


Source: Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl.

Secondary Source: A Berkeley Engineer Searches for the Truth About the Twin Towers' Collapse.

So much for the idiotic idea the Dr. Astaneh-Asl is a fuckin' troofer.

 
At 05 February, 2011 17:57, Blogger snug.bug said...

GutterBall, since a "charred truss" is not a melted girder, a reasonable person would conclude that the truss under discussion in the NYT article was not the melted girder Dr. Astaneh-Asl reported to PBS. Nor is it the melted steel reported by Dr. Ahmed Ghoniem and Captain Philip Ruvolo, FDNY.

GutterBall, people in the construction industry understand that a girder is a heavy horizontal structural element heavier than a mere beam. Dr. Astaneh-Asl is a professor of structural engineering. He is not going to say "girder" when he means "truss".

An I-beam can be a girder if it's heavy enough, but an I-beam is not a truss. I suspect that you do not know what a truss is.

I never said Dr. Astaneh-Asl was a "fuckin' troofer". I said he testified to molten steel at the World Trade Center--and he did. And thank you for the fine NYT quote about the "vaporized" steel. I was not aware of that. Good find, Bill!

You seem to be a lot more interested in what flags your witnesses are waving than in finding out the truth.

 
At 05 February, 2011 18:37, Blogger GuitarBill said...

There you go again, trying to change the definition of well-defined words to suit your lying propaganda. Well, you don't have the power to redefine words to suit your needs, asshole.

Now, stop lying, asshole. I know precisely what a truss is--you God damned liar.

I gave you a link to thesaurus.com that proves, beyond a doubt, that the word girder is synonymous with I-beam, joist, rafter, tiebeam, and truss.

Girder--Synonyms.

The definition is clear.

Girder is synonymous with the words I-beam, joist, rafter, tiebeam, and truss.

Now, regarding the failure of the truss: Keep reading it, asshole, until you get it through your thick skull:

"'This tells me it buckled while it was attached to the column,' not as it fell, Dr. Astaneh-Asl said, adding, 'It had burned first, then buckled.'" -- Dr. Astaneh-Asl speaking to the New York Times.

In other words--you God damned idiot--the truss was "attached to the column" while it buckled. That means the truss didn't fail as the result of "melting" OR "vaporization."

Thus, the truth is revealed: The truss did NOT fail as the result of "melting" or "vaporization." It failed while it was "attached to the column."

Conclusion: Another epic failure for the 9/11 "truth" movement.

Squirm, goat molester--you fuckin' lying weasel--squirm!

 
At 05 February, 2011 19:04, Blogger snug.bug said...

GutterBall, your attempt to argue from a thesaurus entry that Dr. Astaneh-Asl meant "truss" when he said "girder" is priceless!

You might as well argue that since the thesaurus says "Property" = "money" = Pay, that your boss ought to give you his house. See how that goes over.

You've shown no connection between the failure of the truss and Dr. Astaneh-Asl's "melting of girders".

The epic fail is yours.

 
At 05 February, 2011 19:14, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Logical fallacy: False analogy or equivalence.

Either provide a definition from a reliable, credible source that refutes my argument, or go fuck yourself.

You have no credibility and you don't have the authority to define the meaning of well-defined words and phrases.

Get it through your thick skull, asshole: You ARE A FAILED JANITOR, not a structural engineer. As a result, your definitions and opinion ARE UTTERLY WORTHLESS.

In fact, I provided all the evidence necessary to prove that you're lying:

"'This tells me it buckled while it was attached to the column,' not as it fell, Dr. Astaneh-Asl said, adding, 'It had burned first, then buckled.'" -- Dr. Astaneh-Asl speaking to the New York Times.

Thus, you lose again, because all you provide is your opinion. And the opinion of a FAILED JANITOR IS ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS!

Mr. Astaneh-Asl also rejects such alternative theories. "I certainly don't buy into any of the conspiracy stuff," he says.

"Those are lightweight buildings," he adds. "There was no need for explosives to bring them down."
-- Dr. Astaneh-Asl

Conclusion: Another epic failure for the 9/11 "truth" movement.

Squirm, goat molester--you fuckin' lying weasel--squirm!

 
At 05 February, 2011 19:17, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Continued...

Thus, I provide FACTS and direct quotes from Dr. Astaneh-Asl and the New York Times that prove the goat molester is quote mining and misrepresenting Dr. Astaneh-Asl's opinion, and the goat molester continues to try to elevate his WORTHLESS OPINION TO THE REALM OF "FACT."

Conclusion: Another epic failure for the 9/11 "truth" movement.

Squirm, goat molester--you fuckin' lying weasel--squirm!

 
At 06 February, 2011 08:16, Blogger snug.bug said...

I'm not changing the definition, GutterBall, you are. Everyone in the construction industry knows that a girder is a heavy beam, not a truss. By your logic "pay" is the same as "debt" because they are both synonyms of "money".

You can look up "girder" as well as I and see that it's a "large beam". A beam and a truss are two different things.

I am not misrepresenting anything. Dr. Astaneh-Asl told PBS that he "saw melting of girders at World Trade Center". This was corroborated by statements by Dr. Ahmed Ghoniem and Captain Philip Ruvolo, FDNY.

Your verbose and obfuscatory posts betray your sophistry.

 
At 06 February, 2011 08:32, Blogger Ian G. said...

By your logic "pay" is the same as "debt" because they are both synonyms of "money".

petgoat demonstrates that his understanding of finance is about as good as his understanding of physics.

I am not misrepresenting anything. Dr. Astaneh-Asl told PBS that he "saw melting of girders at World Trade Center". This was corroborated by statements by Dr. Ahmed Ghoniem and Captain Philip Ruvolo, FDNY.

Stop lying, petgoat.

Your verbose and obfuscatory posts betray your sophistry.

Isn't it cute how petgoat tries to jam as many big words into a sentence as possible in an attempt to look smart?

Who do you think you're kidding, petgoat? You can use "sophistry" as much as you want, but your inane babbling about 9/11 tells us all we need to know about your level of intelligence. That, and the fact that you weren't competent enough to mop floors.

 
At 06 February, 2011 09:39, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, I understand the difference both between "pay" and "debt" and between "girder" and "truss".

Dr. Astaneh-Asl told PBS that he "saw melting of girders at World Trade Center". This was corroborated by statements by Dr. Ahmed Ghoniem and Captain Philip Ruvolo, FDNY.

Where do you get the idea that I'm not competent to mop floors?

 
At 06 February, 2011 13:26, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Goat molester, I see that you've failed to provide us with anything other than your worthless opinion.

And no, you don't know the difference between the words "girder" and "truss". And you've UTTERLY FAILED to provide a secondary source to substantiate your bogus "definition."

Conclusion: Another epic failure for the 9/11 "truth" movement.

Squirm, goat molester--you fuckin' lying weasel--squirm!

 
At 06 February, 2011 13:32, Blogger snug.bug said...

GutterBall, the term "girder" has a long history as a horizontal structural element heavier than a beam (just as, in residential construction, a "beam" is heavier than a "joist").

Dr. Astaneh-Asl told PBS that he saw "melting of girders at World Trade Center". If you want to redefine "girder" as "truss" you'd better check with Dr. Astaneh-Asl.

 
At 06 February, 2011 14:15, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Goat fucker, get it through your thick skull: I don't give a God damn about your worthless opinion. You have no credibility. You're not a structural engineer, you're a failed janitor, sex stalker and proven compulsive liar; thus, your opinion is not worth the ASCII characters you waste to post it.

Now, either substantiate your claims with information from a credible source, or go piss up a rope.

Conclusion: Another epic failure for the 9/11 "truth" movement.

Squirm, goat molester--you fuckin' lying weasel--squirm!

 
At 06 February, 2011 14:50, Blogger snug.bug said...

GutterBall, you give me no reason to care what you "give a God damn about". You're an anonymous internet poster who seems to think that some claimed and undemonstrated expertise in perl scripting and a Wayne Newton tribute act should provide some kind of authority.

Girder and truss are not synonyms any more than "debt" and "paycheck" are synonyms.

 
At 06 February, 2011 16:53, Blogger paul w said...

Your verbose and obfuscatory posts betray your sophistry

'Sophistry'.

Note that once this word was used against him, Bwian has been using it often.

Okay then, let's try and introduce
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious,and see if he picks it up.

Here goes...

Bwian, you make some very Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious arguments - typical truther.

He he!

 
At 06 February, 2011 19:36, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...Girder and truss are not synonyms any more than 'debt' and 'paycheck' are synonyms."

As expected, the goat molester can't substantiate his argument with information from a credible source.

So, what has the goat molester offered? Nothing more than his worthless opinion. And we all know that the opinion of a failed janitor, quote miner, sex stalker and proven compulsive liar isn't worth the ASCII characters he wastes to post it.

And what does that tell us about the goat molester's vaunted "google skills"? One of two things: [1] He's lying; or [2] he can't find his ass with a hunting dog and a compass. And, most likely, the correct answer is number [1].

Conclusion: Another epic failure for the 9/11 "truth" movement.

Squirm, goat molester--you fuckin' lying weasel--squirm!

 
At 06 February, 2011 22:07, Blogger Ian G. said...

Dr. Astaneh-Asl told PBS that he "saw melting of girders at World Trade Center". This was corroborated by statements by Dr. Ahmed Ghoniem and Captain Philip Ruvolo, FDNY.

Nobody cares.

Where do you get the idea that I'm not competent to mop floors?

From the fact that you're an unemployed janitor, i.e. not competent to complete the kind of work expected of a janitor.

 
At 06 February, 2011 22:53, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, what makes you the authority on my CV?

 
At 06 February, 2011 23:19, Blogger Ian G. said...

Ian, what makes you the authority on my CV?

What CV? Are you denying that you're (formerly) a janitor? Are you saying that all the truthers who say you're a janitor are lying?

 
At 07 February, 2011 10:44, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

WAQo, 1341 F was the surface temperature. This was indicative of far greater temps under the surface.

Either you have a source for this "greater temps" or you're just saying it because other idiots have said it.

Present the source or be proven a retard.

 
At 07 February, 2011 23:17, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, I am the janitor of the truth movement. I hold my nose and take the stinky trash out. I am not paid for this service. Anybody who says I get a paycheck for doing janitorial work is lying.

WAQo, the surface temperatures recorded by the AVARIS overflights were 1341 F. Since there were no fires burning on the surface at the time, the source of the heat must have been the pile below. Since dust has insulative properties, for 1341 F to be recorded on the surface, the heat source beneath the dust must have been much hotter.

 
At 08 February, 2011 03:37, Blogger Triterope said...

Anybody who says I get a paycheck for doing janitorial work is lying.

I'll keep that in mind.

 
At 08 February, 2011 05:40, Blogger Ian G. said...

Ian, I am the janitor of the truth movement. I hold my nose and take the stinky trash out. I am not paid for this service. Anybody who says I get a paycheck for doing janitorial work is lying.

Of course you don't get paid, you're unemployed and live with your parents.

Also, you've been thrown out of the truth movement for stalking people, so I doubt Richard Gage allows you to mop the floors at his place.

 
At 08 February, 2011 10:24, Blogger snug.bug said...

Really? Did your Uncle Steve tell you that?

 
At 08 February, 2011 11:00, Blogger snug.bug said...

Which one is Steve--would that be Snap, Crackle, or Pop?

 
At 08 February, 2011 11:06, Blogger Ian G. said...

Brian, pay attention. My Uncle Steve is an engineer and has nothing to do with the truth movement.

I was told by Petgoat over at DU that you've been thrown out of the truth movement because you stalked people.

 
At 08 February, 2011 11:14, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

WAQo, the surface temperatures recorded by the AVARIS overflights were 1341 F. Since there were no fires burning on the surface at the time, the source of the heat must have been the pile below. Since dust has insulative properties, for 1341 F to be recorded on the surface, the heat source beneath the dust must have been much hotter.

Brian,

Not only are you just saying it, you're also not proving it with sources that confirm your statement. So my suspicions were correct, you are indeed a retard!

1,341*F was the temperature within the debris. You lack the education to produce a source!

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/hotspot.A.1000K.fit.gif

Look at the chart Brian, the chart reads "1,000" Kelvin. That means the debris reached a temperature of 1,341*F.

I've provided the source for the 1,341*F, it's your turn to provide a source that says it was greater than 1,341*F.

Failing to do so will prove that you're lying & making up shit.

 
At 08 February, 2011 11:36, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, Petgoat is an anonymous internet poster. For you to believe the claims of an anonymous internet poster shows you to have a crippled epistemology.

WAQo, the 1341 F is not in dispute. That was what the AVARIS data showed. You provide nothing showing that it reflects the temperatures deep in the pile under the insulating dust. The 1341 was a surface temperature. The inference that the temperatures underneath the insulating dust were higher is perfectly reasonable. The assumption that the temperatures were not higher is not.

 
At 08 February, 2011 14:15, Blogger Ian G. said...

Ian, Petgoat is an anonymous internet poster. For you to believe the claims of an anonymous internet poster shows you to have a crippled epistemology.

False. I've met him personally. He's not just an anonymous internet poster. I just won't tell you his name because I don't want you stalking him.

But you say I shouldn't trust anonymous internet posters? OK, so no more babbling about "set up to fail" or "essentially in free-fall" from you, right?

 
At 08 February, 2011 20:09, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

WAQo, the 1341 F is not in dispute.

If it's not in dispute, then why the fuck are you disputing it for?

I forgot, you never made any damn sense to begin with.

 

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