Jones' Overunity Device
It seems extremely unlikely that something so simple could possibly be creating power, and there's no real way the purported extra power could be coming from the Earth's magnetic field, as Jones was talking about at 9-11 Flogger.
It's been a long time since I did the Physics of Electricity and Magnetism; could it simply be that Jones has charged up the capacitor (which acts as a storage battery), and then when he reduces the power from the AA battery the power in the capacitor is released, and hence he gets the Pout>Pin that he's claiming?
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posted by Pat @ 2:52 AM
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The probability that he is actually realizing an apparent efficiency of 8 is vanishingly small. My guess is that there are measurement/calculation errors. Perhaps the phase relationship between output voltage and current is being misrepresented/misunderstood.
Here is something that I found on a site called "overunity.com" I haven't looked at the site carefully, so I won't infer the obvious.
So, here's a thread discussing Jones's invention. Down a couple posts the site administrator posts comments from someone critical of Jones's experiment:
"This is a nice demonstration of measurement error based delusion. Stray circuit and scope probe inductance cause invalid measurements. Clean-up the measurements and the illusion of over-unity will disappear."
This is suggesting that the problem with Jones's experiment is sloppy experiment design.
The truthers' new hobbies are proof that they don't believe their own 9/11 bullshit stories. If anyone really believed in a coverup the likes of 9/11 they would 'spread the word' to get justice until they day they expire.
Over-unity is hardly the truthers' new hobby, roo. I don't see anyone in the truth movement making favorable comments about Dr. Jones's new work, and I see a lot of people expressing disgust with it.
Jones has to do something. The truther thing is for all intents over. Only a hand full of kooks are still dealing with it. So he need some new snake oil to sell to the great gullible sheep. If they bought 9/11 you can be sure they will buy anything.
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"...Over-unity is hardly the truthers' new hobby, roo."
Shut up, goat fucker. No one gives a damn what you think. Now go play in the freeway, cretin.
"...in the interest of accuracy." -- Steven E. Jones
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
%^)
First of all, the idiot who masquerades as a "professor of physics" built an analog circuit on a digital patch board. That's a big no-no as any competent EE will tell you.
The first rule of breadboarding an analog circuit is to reduce all stray inductance and capacitance to a minimum, which is not possible--and is in fact maximized--using a digital patch board.
If Jones used a fiberglass breadboard clad on one side with a solid-copper ground plane and reduced all resister, transistor, oscilloscope probe, capacitor and toroid lead lengths to an absolute minimum his observed "over unity" phenomenon would vaporize before his incompetent eyes. (E.g., soldering all electrical component ground leads directly to the solid-copper ground plane is essential; however, you can see that Jones paid no attention to the fundamentals of analog breadboard layout).
As I recall, it's also possible to use an oscilloscope's CRT as a "memory" to generate all kinds of "interesting" waveforms. E.g., years ago, I witnessed the demonstration of a "heart-shaped waveform" that, if real, proves that electricity can run "backward in time."
Of course, it's all flim-flam, and Steven Jones, who should know better, is either an idiot or a con man.
My vote, you ask? He's a con man.
Brian,
So the truth movement thinks that the only person among them that is even close to being an 'expert' is turning out to be a charlatan? Are you learning anything from these developments?
Note Brian does not answer the questions.
Gee, what a suprise.
Like all truthers, he just ignores the MILLIONS of architects and engineers who have NOT joined.
Cue:
roo, blah, blah, blah...
paul w, blah, blah, blah....
GB, blah, blah, blah...
"...there are 1500 credentialed architects and engineers."
Another lie.
Pool, HVAC, and sanitation "engineers" and a handful of technical writers, to say nothing of every ass-clown with a subscription to Architectural Digest, don't qualify as "credentialed architects and engineers."
Furthermore, there are over 600,000 real scientists and engineers who live in the United States--and I'm a member of that select group. Thus, 1,500 alleged "architects and engineers" (even if the 1,500 number was true, and it's not) make up less than 0.25% of the scientific and engineering community.
[1,500]/[600,000] * 100 = 0.25%
Thus, Gage's alleged "1,500 architects and engineers" doesn't rise to the level of statistical significance.
Once again, you FAIL.
(NOTE: The goat fucker's comment should be removed for 2 reasons: [1] the claptrap about "1,500 architects and engineers," which we've examined repeatedly, is readily verified nonsense; and [2] the comment is off-topic and wholly irrelevant to Jones' latest fraudulent experiment.)
"...paul w, and the millions of architects and engineers who have NOT signed a statement supporting the NIST report are 1479 more than the millions who have not signed the AE911truth statement."
Never mind that no such "statement supporting the NIST report" exists, or ever has existed.
This is another attempt on the goat fuckers part to hijack another thread.
Ban.
Brian,
You avoided my question. One of the primary faces of the truth movement is proving to be a charlatan (and he is not the only one). What does that tell you about the movement as a whole?
roo, Dr. Jones is not a primary face of the truth movement. His claims have been narrowly focused in the nano-thermite area, and many or even most of us in the truth movement have been skeptical of these claims, waiting for confirmation that never came.
The face of the truth movement has always been the 9/11 widows and their 273 unanswered questions.
Now he's babbling about "widows."
Ban.
Never mind that no such "statement supporting the NIST report" exists, or ever has existed.
Exactly.
When faced with reality, the truthers always offer up their own twisted version.
roo, Dr. Jones is not a primary face of the truth movement.
Actually, he is.
there are 1500 credentialed architects and engineers
... who signed an internet petition. Whoopty shit. Six times that many people signed an internet petition to get Justin Bieber a wax sculpture at Madame Tussaud's.
"and the millions of architects and engineers who have NOT signed a statement supporting the NIST report are 1479 more than the millions who have not signed the AE911truth statement.
"
Guitar Bill and I are guitarists (I assume), neither one of us has signed a statement supporting Chet Atkin's greatness. We also haven't signed a statement supporting hundreds of other great guitarists.
Why should we?
I'm sure you can find 1500 guitar players who think Chet Atkins sucks. Doesn't mean that they're right.
The face of the truth movement has always been the 9/11 widows and their 273 unanswered questions.
Then how come you are the only babbling truther I ever hear bring that point up, yet every truther I talk to brings up Jones work within their first three comments?
So far, all but one of Brian's comments should be removed.
This is called "Zero Point Energy" and it is theorized NOT to come from the Earth but resonant energy present in the entire universe. Basically we are in a sea of energy so from our reference point we cannot "see" it since it's all around us.
Most likely the interface is with the 4th dimension (time/space) and is governed by electro magnetics with an anti-gravity side effects in some cases.
What the circuit does is pulse the resonant ambient EM waves to kick out energy through the capacitors. Since this energy is infinite the output is only limited by the equipment size and frequency used.
If you want more detailed info on this suppressed since, check out Tom Bearden's site:
http://www.cheniere.org
Many device have been patented using overunity circuits and one that comes to mind right away is Westinghouse's (3,239,771) used on the Minute Man Missiles.
Here's an actual device schematic built on Bearden's work:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zh_C3yvJH0
Tesla was working on this stuff and demonstrated it in various ways. In one instance he had a self powered car and in another he blew out the power in an entire town!
Of course, like 9/11, there are very powerful interests suppressing these ideas because if widely adapted it will destroy the fossil-fuel/petro-dollar paradigm since the energy is abundant and more importantly, FREE.
"snug.bug said...
roo, there are 1500 credentialed architects and engineers"
LOOK!!!! OVER THERE!!!! SQUIRRELLS!!!!!!!!!!
"The face of the truth movement has always been the 9/11 widows and their 273 unanswered questions."
Nobody gives a flying fuck, boron.
Actual science is done by hypothesis, followed by repeatable experimentation, followed by peer review. Rubbish science is done by throwing something together and then announcing it to the world in order to boost the builder's ego and/or fool the gullible. What a surprise that Jones went with option two. If this clown had actually made a world-historical scientific discovery then he would have nothing to lose by following the accepted scientific method. Of course, he hasn't, so it is merely a matter of how many pandering fools he can get to admire him. Clearly the truther thing has run its course in that regard.
Roo, if the only truthers you know are babbling truthers, that only goes to show that you're not looking for non-babbling truthers.
you're not looking for non-babbling truthers
I'm also not looking for the Loch Ness monster, or big foot, or aliens, or anything else that doesn't exist.
Whoopty shit. Six times that many people signed an internet petition to get Justin Bieber a wax sculpture at Madame Tussaud's.
HA! Yeah, no shit. There are many, many things that are more important than a new 9/11 investigation... the Internet proves it.
NIST can't find what it won't seek either.
Science only seeks things it has a reason to seek.
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Right, and sometimes that reason is just a desire to know the truth. Roo has no reason to seek a non-babbling truther, because roo doesn't want to know the truth.
roo knows the truth. He just isn't buying into your version of it.
In your loss of your ability to reason you have spiralled into game-playing. You are not intrested in the truth, this is why Willie Rodriguez gets under your skin. He was there on 9/11, you were not. He stepped up and saved lives when deep down you know that had the situation been reversed you would not have gone inside of the tower. So you insult him, call him a fraud, and that way you don't have to measure up.
If you believed in the truth you would have shaken Willie's hand for his actions that day, and then all the things he has done for undocumented workers affected by 9/11. Instead you pollute the internet with lies about Rodriguez.
If you have evidence that proves even one of your jack-ape theories then present them. We all know that you don't.
So they didn't find it because they weren't looking for it, and they weren't looking for it because they didn't want to find it. Circular argument much?
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The fire was 90 floors away, and the notion that a structural failure at the 90th floor would impinge on the lower floors was absurd.
You're suggesting there was no reason to evacuate the lower floors?
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MGF, Willie the Fraud gets under my skin because he lies about 9/11
Back to name-calling. Didn't take long, eh?
We've been here before; Willie offered you to debate him here, and you ran.
Fuck off, Brian.
Imagine 90 cars parallel parked along the side of the road--1/2 mile of cars. Except the ones at the other end are mopeds, and gradually the cars get bigger toward your end until they are earthmovers where you stand. Now imagine that 15 mopeds are taken to bits and hurled at the 16th, which then bumps a trailbike, which bumps a road bike. Get it? You're in no practical danger at the earthmover end.
Is that an example of non-babbling?
I didn't run from anything. I punk'd him in three irrefutable sentences. He ran. Here I am, here he isn't, leaving his sock puppet sabba to claim victory.
Ban.
@Pat, didn't we all agree to not let this asshole Brian Good to post shit not related to the thread?
There he goes again with his I hate Willie Rodriguez fest in a unassociated thread.
Erase the asshole!
"Imagine 90 cars parallel parked along the side of the road--1/2 mile of cars. Except the ones at the other end are mopeds, and gradually the cars get bigger toward your end until they are earthmovers where you stand. Now imagine that 15 mopeds are taken to bits and hurled at the 16th, which then bumps a trailbike, which bumps a road bike. Get it? You're in no practical danger at the earthmover end."
Oh man, I'm saving this one. It is pure comedy gold!
Okay, I'll play...What happens when you stack those cars nose-to-bumper 90 cars high, then hit them with your speeding moped?
Please carry out this experiment, and pretty please could you stand at the bottom of the stack?
Brain,
You should have someone break a concrete block over your head. It shouldn't hurt your, right?
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roo,
It's easy to prove the goat fucker is a fraud. Ask him to put his foot where his mouth is.
For example, ask the goat fucker if he'll allow you to set a 4 lbs. brick on his foot. No problem, right?
Next, ask him if you can raise that same 4 lbs. brick 12 feet in the air and drop it on his foot.
When he refuses your request, shucks, jives and goes into obfuscation mode, you can relegate his bullshit theory to the dust bin, where it belongs.
Sorry goat fucker, but I'm fluent in Calculus and Newtonian mechanics. You, on the other hand, are a proven cretin.
So when do you plan to allow me to drop that brick on your foot, goat fucker?
That's not an answer, goat fucker, that's an evasion.
By your "logic," if I drop a 4 lbs. brick from 12 feet in the air and let it come crashing down on your foot, you'll walk away unharmed. So when do you plan to put your smelly, unwashed feet where your mouth is, goat fucker?
Brian,
Comparing the WTC collapse to a bunch of cars parked next to each other is in line with physics?
Can you see why finding a non-babbling truther is impossible?
Brain,
Slight tangent question.....which well known truther do you think represents the movement the best, both in his/her theories-work, and in his public image?
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roo,
Don't accept the goat fucker's bogus analogy. The goat fucker's analogy, like every analogy he tries to pass off as "physics," reduces a critical force to zero. In this case, gravity.
NIST calculated the total Potential Energy (PE) stored in one tower, and arrived at a figure of ~500 GJ.
Given a height of 417 m, duration of collapse 9.2 sec (so-called "free fall"), acceleration of 9.81 m/s^2, velocity of 90.45 m/s, v^2 of 8181.54, KE(final)/PE(initial) of 100%, we get an Energy loss of 0.00.
Given a height of 417 m, duration of collapse 12.0 sec (NIST's value), acceleration of 5.8 m/s^2, velocity of 69.5 m/s, v^2 of 4830.25, KE(final)/PE(initial) of 59%, we get an Energy loss of 41%.
Thus, we find 1.8 GJ of energy per floor (on average), which is more than enough energy to account for the collapse. CD was simply not necessary.
The aforementioned comparison between "free-fall" dynamics and observed phenomenon brings the lie to the goat fucker's alleged knowledge of "kinetics" and "potential energy", (ie.,, Newtonian Mechanics).
Most of Brian's comments removed as OT.
Appreciated.
Imagine 90 cars parallel parked along the side of the road--1/2 mile of cars. Except the ones at the other end are mopeds, and gradually the cars get bigger toward your end until they are earthmovers where you stand. Now imagine that 15 mopeds are taken to bits and hurled at the 16th, which then bumps a trailbike, which bumps a road bike. Get it? You're in no practical danger at the earthmover end.
You know, I read that and figured he MUST be taking the piss.
But...this is exactly the type of incoherant statement one hears from truthers all the time, and not just from the meatballs on a fork type.
Beyond parody.
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Brian,
Why not add magic elves?
Lair. The columns were designed to withstand 5X the forces of gravity, not 30X.
Wikipedia wrote, "...The collapse of the World Trade Center has been called "the most infamous paradigm" of progressive collapse. In the case of both towers, the top section tilted towards the face that had buckled, behaving largely as a solid block separate from the rest of the building. It fell at least one story in freefall and impacted the lower sections with a force equivalent to over thirty times its own weight. This was sufficient to buckle the columns of the story immediately below it; the block then fell freely through the distance of another story. Total collapse was now unavoidable as the process repeated through the entire height of the lower sections."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center#Total_progressive_collapse
Once again, you FAIL.
Grade: F-
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The Wikipedia report was quoting the NIST (and other) reports.
You are an idiot.
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The source isn't Wikipedia--you ass. The source is The Journal of Engineering Mechanics.
Bažant, Zdeněk P.; Mathieu Verdure (March 2007). "Mechanics of Progressive Collapse: Learning from World Trade Center and Building Demolitions" (PDF). J. Engrg. Mech. 133 (3): 308–319.
Once again, you FAIL.
Grade: F-
Furthermore, goat fucker, you're too stupid to see why my comment at 11:03 proves you're full-of-shit. There was more than enough energy (1.8 GJ per floor) to account for the complete collapse of the towers.
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In fact the video clearly shows that the top of the tower comes apart before the impact zone begins to destruct
This was addressed ages ago, Brian.
I know it was, because I addressed it. With you.
To repeat, 'the video' shows nothing of the sort - it clearly shows the top sectiop was mostly intact as it dropped.
The usual Brian/Truther bullshit; go around in circles.
In fact the video clearly shows that the top of the tower comes apart before the impact zone begins to destruct.
Is that non-babbling?
In fact the video clearly shows that the top of the tower comes apart before the impact zone begins to destruct
To repeat, this was covered ages ago.
I want Brian to take a look at these videos, and he has to either accept his comment is wrong, or be banned.
No more excuses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGAofwkAOlo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhyu-fZ2nRA&feature=related
(note 3:12)
"...There is no evidence that the top block fell in freefall to strike with 30X the force of its weight."
Of course, there's no evidence--provided you're a lying psychopath who doesn't understand the math behind Bažant and Verdure's paper.
Would you care to provide something other than your idiotic opinion to substantiate your claptrap, goat fucker?
I thought not.
Once again, you FAIL.
Grade: F-
Paul w, here's a close-up of the collapse of the South Tower. Notice that the perimeter column on the left-hand side of the video twists like a piece of licorice. This is proof positive that the column buckled--explosives were not necessary, no matter how many times the goat fucker misrepresents the video evidence.
Close up of the South Tower's collapse.
(Pay particular attention to the corner perimeter column on the left-hand side of the video).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR24kKaToio
"There is no evidence that the top block fell in freefall to strike with 30X the force of its weight. "
Christ all fucking mighty, Brian. The evidence you seek is freshman year mechanical engineering. Those welds and rivets in the building could strain on the order of 1 mm before yielding completely. The top block fell on the first bunch of welds with the potential energy of at least 1 floor, i.e. 3 meters. That's a 3000x factor amplifying what was a static load into an unbearable dynamic load.
Fact is, you will find many more gullible idiots in with the truthers, and Jones know this. You play to your audience, people who by nature see conspiracies will tended to see a conspiracy to suppress things like free energy. More intelligent minds see Jones as the schemer he is, cold fusion, thermite, controlled demolition and now a new scam with a new buzz word, Over Unity.
They will not learn how physics works or the science behind the creation of energy because it would only destroy their delusions these fools spent so much time on. Like Brian they will keep yammering on about how something could not have happened the way it did as if repetition will overcome their own ignorance on the subject.
"We maintain open comments on this blog" -Pat Curley
"Most of Brian's comments removed as OT." -Pat Curley
Fuck Brian Good's comments when 98% of them is about William Rodriguez or Carol.-Sabba.
People believe in conspiracy theories, or junk science for that matter, because they fit existing preconceptions. So, critical thinking is suspended and events made to fit a comfortable theory instead of objective facts being used to develop or support a theory that is consistent with the facts.
So, while debunking distorted 'facts' is useful, it is also productive to deal with the original worldview that spawned the conspiracy theory. In the sad case of this exchange then the question is why do you stil hate George Bush? How is it that after all of the hyperbole about 'dictatorship', Bush stood down from the Presidency on time and then his party lost the election? How is it that the mainstream of the Democratic Party, from the current President down, who have no interest in protecting the Bush legacy, still think that the truthers are 100% wrong?
The truther view of the way US power politics works has been shown to be nonsense. This is why people from Jones on down are bailing. The truther detail doesn't matter because the worldview no longer makes sense. Now, it is just a matter of the truthers either making an orderly queue to a room marked 'sanity' or finding something else to obsess about. Jones has reverted to rubbish, publicity-seeking, non-science for example. It will be interesting to see what the remaining kooks do.
Pat Cowardly,
No one cares what you think.
The face of the truth movement has always been the 9/11 widows and their 273 unanswered questions.
So 9/11 truth doesn't have a face? Because there are no widows who have questions.
"We maintain open comments on this blog" -Pat Curley
"Most of Brian's comments removed as OT." -Pat Curley
Speaking of which, I suggest deleting any of Pat Cowardly's comments that mention iron microspheres in the dust.
Brian Good isn't the only one with unhinged obsessions.
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Paul w, here's a close-up of the collapse of the South Tower
From which a truther will see;
1. pyroplastic clouds
2. george bush
3. squibs
4. nwo
5. horizontal ejections
6. black op
7. molten steel
8. psyche op
9. free-fall collapse
10. george bush
11. er....erm...er...george bush
You don't need to convince me, GB.
Truthers are another matter...
Let's not forget:
12. Faces in the smoke
13. The building collapsing inside the footprint
14. The building collapsing outside the footprint
15. Proof of photomanipulation (you did see those blocky things everywhere, right sheeple?)
Also...
1. pods underneath the planes
2. no plane at the Pentagon
3. george bush
4. Cheney's countdown
5. Explosions at the Pentagon
6. pentagon missile defense system
7. george bush
8. thermite
9. nanothermite
10.george bush
11.steel sold to china
12....that's enough, I just cannot be fucked anymore.
You forgot:
Dancing jews.
Dancing Jews!!!
How did I miss that???
What about the thousands of Jews who left the Towers beforehand?
And, let's not forget the put options!
I mean, the FACTS are overwhelming!
http://mario-gregorio.blogspot.com/2011/06/conspiracy-2011.html
Another conspiracy con con
Someone posting under 'Motor Guy' has provided a pretty good explanation for the problems with this circuit. Just scroll down to the comments on this page:
http://pesn.com/2011/05/27/9501835_Steven_E_Jones_demonstrates_overunity_circuit/
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