Thursday, June 30, 2011

How Do I Critique a Book Based on the Title?



Jon Gold wonders why I'm ignoring the above book. To answer:

1. It just came out two weeks ago.
2. I haven't read it.
3. I haven't read any substantive reviews of it.
4. I'm not going to buy it.
5. The local public library doesn't have it on order.

Now, Jon Gold himself doesn't let a mere thing like not having read the book hold him back from reviewing it:
Kevin Fenton has been a contributor for years [...], and the "Complete 9/11 Timeline." He has provided countless pieces of helpful information for anyone concerned about the "official account" of 9/11. I highly recommend this book.

So Gold's review boils down to, "I like Kevin Fenton and therefore his book must be good." Like I said, I haven't read any substantive reviews.

Update: Gold claims to have read the book; you'd never know it from that ridiculous "review".

BTW, that's Jon Gold's second review on Amazon. His first? Back in 2006 for a Grifter book:
Years From Now Dr. David Ray Griffin will be mentioned in the same breath as the likes of Dr. Martin Luther King, and Ghandi(sic).

Hey, I mention them in the same breath all the time. David Ray Griffin is a moron who led a bunch of other morons off an intellectual cliff, unlike Dr Martin Luther King and Gandhi.

The publisher does provide some information:
Questioning actions taken by American intelligence agencies prior to 9/11, this investigation charges that intelligence officials repeatedly and deliberately withheld information from the FBI, thereby allowing hijackers to attack the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Pinpointing individuals associated with Alec Station, the CIA’s Osama bin Laden unit, as primarily responsible for many of the intelligence failures, this account analyzes the circumstances in which critical intelligence information was kept from FBI investigators in the wider context of the CIA’s operations against al-Qaeda, concluding that the information was intentionally omitted in order to allow an al-Qaeda attack to go forward against the United States. The book also looks at the findings of the four main 9/11 investigations, claiming they omitted key facts and were blind to the purposefulness of the wrongdoing they investigated. Additionally, it asserts that Alec Station’s chief was involved in key post-9/11 events and further intelligence failures, including the failure to capture Osama bin Laden at Tora Bora and the CIA's rendition and torture program.

Bolding added for emphasis.

So it's a LIHOP book. We don't talk about LIHOP much around here, but it seems to me that's even less tenable than MIHOP. Why? Because at least with MIHOP, the plotters can choose whom they let in on the conspiracy. With LIHOP, the people who have found out through their work about the terrorist attacks all have to be trusted without any prior selection by the elements who allow the attacks to happen.

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At 30 June, 2011 12:57, Blogger Arcterus said...

I love Gold's review for Griffin's book, as he's now a critic.

But yeah, it all comes down to who's on his side. To not have even read the book and give it five stars on Amazon shows that he really doesn't give a fuck if the book is good or not.

 
At 30 June, 2011 13:05, Blogger James B. said...

I had never even heard of it. Who the hell is Kevin Fenton? If they send me a free copy U will give Jon a review, as soon as I am done with Paul Allen's autobiography and the latest Thomas Sowell book I got from the library.

 
At 30 June, 2011 17:52, Blogger Arcterus said...

Jon says he's read it.

 
At 30 June, 2011 18:13, Blogger kameelyun said...

Oooh, Mr. Gold, you and Fenton are now being used against the movement! Fenton's book must be bad info! Perhaps we should just focus on the much more incriminating evidence that Bush accidentally let 9/11 happen because he took too many fishing vacations! Quite clearly, the information you are promoting is "being used against this cause."

By the way, you also endorse Erik Larson, who reposted Adam Larson's "South Path Impact: Documented" disinformation even though he starts out the blog, unpromisingly, with "Props to mongoose at JREF for a couple of these leads," and the blog cites as a "light pole witness" a person who was in NC at the time of the event and arrived in Arlington in the afternoon and saw the poles on the ground. This is the kind of disinformation you endorse, whether wittingly or not.

I haven't posted at this blog in years but couldn't resist the temptation in this instance because I know you lurk here!

PS A rare hat tip from a truther to an anti-truther for (1) showing how MIHOP is more plausible than LIHOP and (2) the clip of Cosmos referring to himself as a family member.

-Adam "Syop"

 
At 30 June, 2011 18:42, Blogger snug.bug said...

Pat, so after Jon Gold writes an admiring review of Dr. Griffin's third 9/11 book, he's not allowed to change his mind after Griffin's later books?

 
At 30 June, 2011 18:56, Blogger Ian said...

Pat, so after Jon Gold writes an admiring review of Dr. Griffin's third 9/11 book, he's not allowed to change his mind after Griffin's later books?

It's good to see you concede that Griffin is a fraud and charlatan who led idiots like you on a wild goose chase.

You're hopeless, but I'm hoping that Jon Gold soon realizes that 9/11 truth is just a scheme by frauds to make money off of the gullible.

 
At 30 June, 2011 18:59, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

Pat, so after Jon Gold writes an admiring review of Dr. Griffin's third 9/11 book, he's not allowed to change his mind after Griffin's later books?

He never formally retracted his review. Therefore his review stands. That's your standard.

 
At 30 June, 2011 19:44, Blogger Grandmastershek said...

Considering most truthers base their conclusions on their first assumptions I am not shocked.

 
At 30 June, 2011 19:59, Blogger snug.bug said...

RGT, a case where Gold has clearly changed his mind (that's what Pat's criticizing him for) is completely different from a case where there's no retraction and no evidence of changed mind.

 
At 30 June, 2011 22:50, Blogger Track said...

The book examines the obstructed al Qaeda investigations in the lead up to 9/11.

Thorough research into this issue demonstrates that the given explanations for "failing to connect the dots" do not have merit.

To date the intelligence agencies have refused to release 9/11 Commission MFR's with officials and agents directly involved in al-Hazmi/al-Mihdhar information withholding.

I find it strange that the US media presumably believes that their shitty 9/11 reporting is respectful of the victims of the attack.

 
At 01 July, 2011 02:36, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

snug, simply raising an idea and then not talking about it any further constitutes evidence of changed mind. This is why you've been silent lately on the importance of the rake-on-rake model: you've decided it's not so important after all.

Problem is, in cases like Astaneh and Barnett, you skip "changed mind" and go directly to "suspicious refusal to discuss." And you can't explain how you're getting there.

 
At 01 July, 2011 03:47, Blogger Dylan Unsavery said...

Go easy on Jon Gold. Over at Troof Action, Jon reveals that he was bullied as a child. Actually, he was in his thirties at the time.

They're all bastards. All of those people that bullied us into accepting the position of "Controlled Demolition."

You could have told them they were full of it, Jon. Many people did precisely that.

All of those debunkers that bullied us into arguing about the position of "Controlled Demolition."

What? Debunkers would have been happy if you people STFU about stupid demolition theories. But you didn't and you still won't.

All of those pseudoscientists that helped to make "Controlled Demolition" seem credible enough for us to accept the position of "Controlled Demolition."

I'm surprised you didn't go for 'debunkers bullied us into believing these people were credible'. A step too far, maybe, as debunkers have being saying these people were not credible from the get go.

Sick of it all, and they can all go to hell.

Cheer up, Jon. Grifter will probably have a new book out soon and I know you're a big fan. Cancel that--just realized that you might have been bullied into writing that Amazon review.

 
At 01 July, 2011 04:34, Blogger Ian said...

Yup, Jon Gold is one step away from abandoning 9/11 truth altogether. The problem is that he's invested so much of his life in it, that he can't just walk away. It's kind of tragic.

 
At 01 July, 2011 09:30, Blogger snug.bug said...

RGT, if raising an idea and then not talking about it is evidence of a changed mind I suppose we can assume that Dr. Bazant has recognized the absurdity of his piledriver model and that Dr. Sunder has recognized that the NIST report is a lie.

We can also suppose that Leslie Robertson both did and did not see molten steel at Ground Zero--which is quite a trick. I guess that's why he gets paid the big bucks.

I never said the rake-on-rake model was important. It's only as important as the silly piledriver model that it supplants.

I don't know if Dr. Astaneh and Dr. Barnett refuse to discuss or not. I'll just suppose they get a lot of communications from nutjobs and I don't want to be perceived as one of them.

 
At 01 July, 2011 11:23, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

On NORAD's perjury to the 9/11 Commission:

Jon Gold: Pat, You don’t know any more than I do why they lied, we just know that they did lie.

Curley: correct.

Explain to us again how it's not really perjury when it's 'caught and corrected', Pat. Why don't you think perjurers should be held accountable, Pat? What other cases have you made this judgement about?

 
At 01 July, 2011 12:20, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

RGT, if raising an idea and then not talking about it is evidence of a changed mind I suppose we can assume that Dr. Bazant has recognized the absurdity of his piledriver model and that Dr. Sunder has recognized that the NIST report is a lie.

It's possible. Published findings aren't comparable to off-the-cuff remarks. There's been virtually no legitimate opposition to their findings, that may be why those topics don't come up for them.

We can also suppose that Leslie Robertson both did and did not see molten steel at Ground Zero--which is quite a trick. I guess that's why he gets paid the big bucks.

Leslie Robertson doesn't remember seeing it, or even saying he did. See, this is why you should email Barnett and Astaneh. You could learn something instead of wandering in confusion.

"I have reason to believe that one of these days you're going to
see some diagrams from more authoritative sources that look
something like these."
Did you write that?

I don't know if Dr. Astaneh and Dr. Barnett refuse to discuss or not. I'll just suppose they get a lot of communications from nutjobs and I don't want to be perceived as one of them.

No, we wouldn't want that.

 
At 01 July, 2011 12:22, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

My uncle Mickey died on 9/11. I mean, I changed my mind! He's not really my uncle! Ha ha!

-- Bearded jerkoff Cosmos, preparing to shave Jon Gold's back

 
At 02 July, 2011 07:43, Blogger Ian said...

I don't know if Dr. Astaneh and Dr. Barnett refuse to discuss or not.

Brian, this is your answer for everything related to 9/11 when challenged to provide evidence for your beliefs. You always say "I don't know" and then go right back to babbling about magic thermite elves.

I'll just suppose they get a lot of communications from nutjobs and I don't want to be perceived as one of them.

Brian, you wear women's underwear. You told the world that Willie Rodriguez hired Norwegian hackers to destroy your computer. You suggested the WTC was built with explosives already in place so they could demolish it if a hurricane hit New York. You said that you would have used office equipment as jackhammers to bust through the floor of the WTC and escape (or use carpets as ladders to climb out the window and down).

I think it's a little late to avoid being perceived as a nutjob.

 
At 02 July, 2011 10:46, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, there is a lot we don't know about 9/11. That's the problem. Your claims about what I've said are distortions and lies.

 
At 02 July, 2011 12:04, Blogger Ian said...

Ian, there is a lot we don't know about 9/11.

Who is this "we"? YOU don't know a lot about 9/11 because you're an ignorant insane person.

Your claims about what I've said are distortions and lies.

False. You've said all of the above things. Squealing about it doesn't change anything.

 
At 02 July, 2011 12:55, Blogger snug.bug said...

You're a liar, Ian.

 
At 02 July, 2011 13:58, Blogger Ian said...

You're a liar, Ian.

See what I mean?

 
At 02 July, 2011 21:58, Blogger sabba said...

Brian Good the Lying bitch said to William Rodriguez: " You will never be in the news. Journalistic ethics prohibit making fun of people who have lost their grip on reality."

Remember that quote bitch?
Here, Cover page and first page of the Nation's Largest Spanish Newspaper.
El Diario

Go translate it asshole. Rodriguez is recognized for his efforts on the Zadroga Bill and his outreach for the affected. Nowhere you find anything about your dellusions of controlled demolitions, the widows and the fork theory.

You lied again Bitch! and you never called C-Span.

 
At 03 July, 2011 11:53, Blogger snug.bug said...

Thanks for proving the point, sabba. They quoted Willie as president of an advocates group and didn't even mention his fantasies that "This key saved hundreds of lives." What does that tell you? Looks like they never heard of the world-famous 9/11 hero.

 
At 03 July, 2011 15:18, Blogger sabba said...

Proving what point asshole?
the fact that you said: "You will never be in the news. Journalistic ethics prohibit making fun of people who have lost their grip on reality."

Ha! not even a nice try to turn it around now bitch.
I proved another point of your lies. And I know I will do it again, pretty soon...

There's no need to debate. Willie's not in the news, he's not on the blogs, he's a non-issue. He's a washed-up con artist, nothing more.
...as you were saying...
BuaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 
At 03 July, 2011 15:30, Blogger snug.bug said...

They called him a survivor and an activist. That's it. They ignored his hero story--must be they didn't believe it. As I said, reporting it would be unethical, so they left it out.

 
At 03 July, 2011 15:37, Blogger sabba said...

exactly what he said bitch, he calls himself a survivor and an activist . Try again. He is still in the news, you are not.

 
At 03 July, 2011 15:38, Blogger sabba said...

Brian the lying bitch says: There's no need to debate. Willie's not in the news, he's not on the blogs, he's a non-issue. He's a washed-up con artist, nothing more.

NWOR

 
At 03 July, 2011 15:58, Blogger snug.bug said...

Sabba, I have never tried to be in the news. It would have been better for the truth movement if Willie had never been in the news. He only made the truth movement look like a bunch of gullible fools, and he cost us a good relationship with C-Span when he wasted 2 hours of their time on lies and bragging.

 
At 03 July, 2011 21:22, Blogger sabba said...

NWOR

 
At 04 July, 2011 08:19, Blogger Ian said...

Brian, the truth movement IS a bunch of gullible fools. Jesus, complaining that someone made you look that way is like complaining that David Duke made the KKK look like a bunch of racists.

 
At 04 July, 2011 11:55, Blogger snug.bug said...

The only reason they were fooled by Willie is because they could not conceive of the idea that anyone could be such a scumbag as to steal a dead hero's story and lie about 9/11. Well now they know and Willie will have to live with it forever.

 
At 04 July, 2011 20:52, Blogger sabba said...

Brian Good the Bitch says:
"You will never be in the news. Journalistic ethics prohibit making fun of people who have lost their grip on reality."
another lie blows on your face.

The only reason they were fooled by Willie is because they could not conceive of the idea that anyone could be such a scumbag as to steal a dead hero's story and lie about 9/11. Well now they know and Willie will have to live with it forever.
Fooled? Ha!
Try harder bitch.

 
At 04 July, 2011 21:11, Blogger snug.bug said...

Sabba, El Diario totally dissed Willie's hero story. Do you think he had an interview with them and didn't tell them about his Key of Hope and his 15 rescued and hundreds saved? He didn't tell them that he raised $122 million for the community?

And yet they left that out of the story. He's not described as a fundraiser or a hero. He;s described as an activist and a survivor. They totally dissed him!

 
At 04 July, 2011 22:10, Blogger sabba said...

Hey Brian, asshole, learn how to read and how to translate. The story is about the Zadroga Law and his work as an activist making sure the affected are getting the benefits they are entitled too. Not dissing anywhere in the story but instead a recognition to his work. I know is hard for you to believe it but again you are still crying for being pawned again with the exposure of your lies.

Now since the part of being on the news is out of the way... How is your efort going in getting Carol Brouillett to have you on her show? As we saw, Rodriguez challenged you to do it there also, have you contacted Carol yet?
Should I send her a message on your behalf? I have her e-mail so it will be easy to do it, but I am giving you the honors first.

Bitch!

 
At 04 July, 2011 22:48, Blogger snug.bug said...

Sabba, to characterize Willie as an activist and a survivor when he surely told them he was a fundraiser and a hero is dissing him.

He claimed he raised $122 million. It was a lie.

 
At 05 July, 2011 00:45, Blogger sabba said...

Brian the Bitch, your assumptions are exactly like everything else in the 9/11 movement, assumptions. You are not a mind reader , a psychic or a remote reader to know exactly what was spoken. What you are is an idiot savant, whose only skill is repeating yourself "ad nausseum ".
So, how about that Carol challenge Brian? are you going to call or do you want me to e-mail her?
Bitch!

 
At 05 July, 2011 00:49, Blogger sabba said...

...and again...

Now since the part of being on the news is out of the way... How is your efort going in getting Carol Brouillett to have you on her show? As we saw, Rodriguez challenged you to do it there also, have you contacted Carol yet?
Should I send her a message on your behalf? I have her e-mail so it will be easy to do it, but I am giving you the honors first.

Bitch!

 
At 05 July, 2011 08:28, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 05 July, 2011 09:41, Blogger snug.bug said...

Sabba, I am not a mindreader, but I know Willie Turdriguez. Do you expect anyone to believe that he got a phone call from El Diario and he did not tell them that he single-handedly rescued fifteen (15) persons, did not tell them that his magic Key of Hope saved hundreds of lives, and did not tell them that he raised $122 million for the community?

The assumption that he made those claims is far more reasonable than the assumption that he didn't. So under that analysis, for some reason El Diario ignored Willie's hero and fundraising prowess.

But let's just suppose that when El Diario called Willie bit his tongue and did not brag about his 9/11 glories. Why would he do that? The most reasonable answer is because Willie decided not to embarrass himself by bringing up stories that he knows are not true. And look at the other side of that--that if he didn't tell them, apparently El Diario never heard of Willie's heroic exploits.

So it goes to show that either way, Willie's washed up. Either El Diario never heard of Willie or they decided to ignore his hero stories.

So what I said remains true. Willie the 9/11 "Last Man Out" superhero was not in the news. Just some obscure survivor and bureaucrat that nobody ever heard of.

 
At 05 July, 2011 09:47, Blogger sabba said...

Brainless Good says: Sabba, I am not a mindreader, but I know Willie Turdriguez.
You don't know shit, Carol Broulliett's stalker claims to be able to read and predict Rodriguez conversations. Funny shit!
apparently El Diario never heard of Willie's heroic exploits.
Shows how much of a google researcher you are. WR has been on El diario many times and with several front cover stories bitch.
So it goes to show that either way, Willie's washed up. Either El Diario never heard of Willie or they decided to ignore his hero stories. Squeal again with envy Brian Good, you are a washed up self appointed activist and researcher that nobody respects. Get a life.

 
At 05 July, 2011 09:55, Blogger sabba said...

So what I said remains true. Willie the 9/11 "Last Man Out" superhero was not in the news. Just some obscure survivor and bureaucrat that nobody ever heard of.
Oh the indignity! proving you are a liar Brian Good is such an easy thing to do.
Just some obscure survivor and bureaucrat that nobody ever heard of.
In the news, in your face!
are you going to respond to this?:

How is your efort going in getting Carol Brouillett to have you on her show? As we saw, Rodriguez challenged you to do it there also, have you contacted Carol yet?
Should I send her a message on your behalf? I have her e-mail so it will be easy to do it, but I am giving you the honors first.

Bitch!

 
At 05 July, 2011 10:21, Blogger snug.bug said...

Oh, so El Diario had a cover story about him and now they act like they never heard of him. Wow, could the diss possibly be more extreme?

 
At 05 July, 2011 10:26, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ms. Brouillet is having Graeme MacQueen on her radio program on Thursday and I imagine her radio schedule is pretty full until September and that she'll have a backlog of non-9/11 stuff after that. So I doubt she has time for the washed-up con artist, Willie Turdriguez.

 
At 05 July, 2011 10:35, Blogger sabba said...

Brainless Good says:Ms. Brouillet is having Graeme MacQueen on her radio program on Thursday and I imagine her radio schedule is pretty full until September and that she'll have a backlog of non-9/11 stuff after that. So I doubt she has time for the washed-up con artist, Willie Turdriguez.

You still did not answer my question bitch. Oh we forgot, she speaks with William but not with you! YOu will never, ever get on her Radio show. She does not have stalkers of her on her show anyway. Now, should I send her an email or you will try to arrange it directly?

 
At 05 July, 2011 11:26, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker squeals, "...Ms. Brouillet is having Graeme MacQueen on her radio program on Thursday"

And there's one queen we're sure Carol Brouillet will never allow on her show...Brian "goat fucker" Good.

So goat fucker, as the queen of Palo Alto, CA, do you still wear high heeled sneakers?

 
At 05 July, 2011 12:54, Blogger sabba said...

GuitarBill, do you think Brian learned anything about seducing women from wikipedia? It surely backfired with Carol.

 
At 05 July, 2011 12:59, Blogger Pat said...

Okay, I see I need to contact Carol and find out about whether she will host the debate between Brian and Willie. I will certainly report on the results.

 
At 05 July, 2011 14:46, Blogger snug.bug said...

Pat, as long as you've got Carol on the phone, ask her if she knows that Willie stole his hero story of "opening doors and letting people out" from Pablo Ortiz, who wasn't using it because he died when a building fell on him.

 
At 05 July, 2011 15:52, Blogger WhyAskQuestions said...

Brian, Carol doesn't give a flying fuck what you ask of her, she hates your fucking guts you sexist pig.

OINK OINK OINK

 
At 05 July, 2011 16:05, Blogger sabba said...

Brainless Good said:Pat, as long as you've got Carol on the phone, ask her if she knows that Willie stole his hero story of "opening doors and letting people out" from Pablo Ortiz, who wasn't using it because he died when a building fell on him. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, didn't you said you told Carol all about WR?
Pat, as long as you have Carol on the phone, ask her if she talks to Brian.
Ask her if he tried to insinuate that she had sex with Willie, Barrett and John Wright.
Ask Her if she will ever have Brian Good on her show and finally ask her if she thinks that Brian is obsessive or not.

 
At 05 July, 2011 16:41, Blogger Ian said...

Ms. Brouillet is having Graeme MacQueen on her radio program on Thursday and I imagine her radio schedule is pretty full until September and that she'll have a backlog of non-9/11 stuff after that. So I doubt she has time for the washed-up con artist, Willie Turdriguez.

Translation: I didn't contact Carol because she'd probably report me to the police if I did.

 
At 05 July, 2011 20:14, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...Okay, I see I need to contact Carol and find out about whether she will host the debate between Brian and Willie. I will certainly report on the results."

I'LL DO YOU ONE BETTER, PAT.

EITHER YOU PERMANENTLY BAN BRIAN "ELEMENTAL BARIUM AT GROUND ZERO" GOOD, OR I'M OUT OF HERE.

ARE WE COMMUNICATING HERE, PAT, BECAUSE I'M AS SERIOUS AS A CORONARY. EITHER HE GOES, OR I GO, IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT. AND NO COMPROMISE WILL BE ENTERTAINED.

 
At 05 July, 2011 20:34, Blogger snug.bug said...

Oh my, what a loss to the forum is UtterFail left! Like nobody else here can misrepresent the official reports, make up his facts, pull theories out of his butt, lie, spam, and invent childish insults.

The quality of discourse in this forum would actually be improved if Mr. "Goat Molester" and "Felcher" UtterFail were gone.

 
At 05 July, 2011 20:43, Blogger snug.bug said...

Also, this forum's tolerance for the blatant lies of Ian (he thinks they're funny) is damaging to credibility.

 
At 05 July, 2011 20:44, Blogger GuitarBill said...

You've never proven me wrong, felcher. After all, a degenerate who wears women's underwear is no match for me.

Your days are numbered, motherfucker.

 
At 05 July, 2011 20:52, Blogger Ian said...

Also, this forum's tolerance for the blatant lies of Ian (he thinks they're funny) is damaging to credibility.

Name one time that I've lied, Brian.

I can easily name a lie of yours: "meatball on a fork is petgoat's model, not mine."

 
At 05 July, 2011 20:54, Blogger Ian said...

Brian, I don't find lies funny, I find you funny: you're old enough to be my father, yet you live with your parents because you're an unemployed janitor and spend every waking hour babbling 9/11 truth nonsense, and then get upset and call people "girls" when they mock you.

 
At 05 July, 2011 21:43, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, you lie every time you claim the widows have no questions, and every time you deny that Dr. Sunder told NOVA that the buildings fell in 9 seconds and 11 seconds.

Utterfail, I have recently proven you wrong with your absurd calculations of the quantity of iron microspheres in the WTC dust, your absurd belief that all 424,000 tons of concrete was pulverized, your stupid babbling about barium nitrate, and your inability to comprehend what an elemental analysis is. Your claims that independent engineers had endorsed the NIST report I also showed to be wrong. Your favorite "independent" engineer, Dr. Harris, had actually co-authored a NIST report!

 
At 05 July, 2011 22:23, Blogger GuitarBill said...

That's right, goat fucker, cite the laws of physics when it suits you, and ignore them when they prove you're lying.

Wikipedia wrote, "...Thermate-TH3 is a mixture of thermite and pyrotechnic additives which have been found to be superior to standard thermite for incendiary purposes. Its composition by weight is generally 68.7% thermite, 29.0% barium nitrate, 2.0% sulfur and 0.3% binder (such as PBAN)."

The law of conservation of mass tells us that mass will remain constant over time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_mass

So where did the barium nitrate go? It didn't disappear into the ether--you God damned liar.

So where's your evidence for the presence of barium nitrate/oxide at Ground Zero?

Once again you FAIL.

 
At 05 July, 2011 22:30, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...Utterfail, I have recently proven you wrong with your absurd calculations of the quantity of iron microspheres in the WTC dust...[blah][blah][blah]."

False. Where's your proof, goat fucker?

Straw man arguments are not "proof."

"...your absurd belief that all 424,000 tons of concrete was pulverized..."

False. Where's your proof, goat fucker?

Straw man arguments are not "proof."

"...your stupid babbling about barium nitrate, and your inability to comprehend what an elemental analysis is."

False. Where's your proof, goat fucker?

Straw man arguments are not "proof."


"...Your claims that independent engineers had endorsed the NIST report I also showed to be wrong. Your favorite "independent" engineer, Dr. Harris, had actually co-authored a NIST report!"

False. Where's your proof, goat fucker?

Straw man arguments are not "proof."

Once again, you FAIL.

 
At 05 July, 2011 23:16, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, your continues braying about barium nitrate makes no sense when you can't explain why you'd expect to find it in the dust. Obviously its purpose is to provide oxygen to the aluminothermic reaction and it's consumed in the reaction. USGS found a whole lot of barium in the dust. 800 ppm IIRC. It's very tiresome that you spam all the threads with the same crap.

 
At 05 July, 2011 23:56, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Goat fucker, your continued deliberate conflation of barium nitrate and barium oxide is as transparent as it is bullshit.

The law of conservation of mass tells us that mass will remain constant over time. So where are the high concentrations of barium oxide?

I've already proven that high concentrations of elemental material were non-existent at Ground Zero (including barium). Thus, your argument is obfuscation, at best.

The USGS wrote, "...As with the major elements, there are no discernible differences in trace metal content between the dust samples collected outdoors and those collected indoors. There are also no apparent spatial variations in trace-element composition between sample sites."

So, goat fucker, what part of the word "no" don't you understand?

Again, where are the elevated concentrations of barium oxide?

Thus, there's not A SHRED of evidence to support your idiotic "thermite," "thermate" or "nanothermite" theory.

Again, where's your evidence for the elevated levels of barium nitrate/oxide at Ground Zero?

Once again, you FAIL.

 
At 06 July, 2011 00:33, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, I never said there was elemental barium anywhere. I said the test USGS used could not distinguish among the various barium compounds--including elemental barium. USGS had an elemental analysis. I'm sorry you don't understand that, but your educational and cognitive deficits are not my fault.

USGS said there was 800 ppm of barium in the dust.

 
At 06 July, 2011 01:28, Blogger GuitarBill said...

You stupid fucking asshole, read it again:

The USGS wrote, "...As with the major elements, there are no discernible differences in trace metal content between the dust samples collected outdoors and those collected indoors. There are also no apparent spatial variations in trace-element composition between sample sites."

That means there's no evidence for "thermite," "thermate" or "nanothermite." No trace elements beyond normal background element-levels are detecable.

So where's your evidence for elevated levels of barium oxide and aluminum oxide?

Once again you FAIL.

 
At 06 July, 2011 01:36, Blogger snug.bug said...

You just keep repeating the same blather. You don't know what you're talking about.

 
At 06 July, 2011 05:00, Blogger Ian said...

Ian, you lie every time you claim the widows have no questions, and every time you deny that Dr. Sunder told NOVA that the buildings fell in 9 seconds and 11 seconds.

See what I mean?

You just keep repeating the same blather. You don't know what you're talking about.

Poor Brian. He's a failed janitor and 9/11 truth is the only thing that gives his sad life any meaning.

 
At 06 July, 2011 08:30, Blogger sabba said...

Brian Good-the Bitch says:and invent childish insults
Looks who is talking!!!!!
Buawahahahahahhahahahhahaha
Have you called Carol yet?

 
At 06 July, 2011 12:07, Blogger snug.bug said...

"Willie Turdriguez" may sound like a childish insult but it's actually quite sophisticated as it invokes many associations and some inside jokes that you wouldn't know about.

 
At 06 July, 2011 14:18, Blogger sabba said...

Brian Good the Sex Stalker,

Brian Good the Goat Fucker,
Brian Good the Lying Yenta,
Brian Good the whore,
Brian Good the asshole,
Brian Good the piece of Shit
Brian Good the Liar,
Brian Good the squealing pig are some of the pseudonyms that correctly identify you and is an open joke here.
and of course I forgot.... Brian Good The Bitch!

 
At 06 July, 2011 17:38, Blogger snug.bug said...

Sticks and stones ... bla bla bla

But limp sock-puppets are pathetic.

 
At 06 July, 2011 19:13, Blogger Ian said...

"Willie Turdriguez" may sound like a childish insult but it's actually quite sophisticated as it invokes many associations and some inside jokes that you wouldn't know about.

It's exactly what we expect from someone who lives with his parents and calls people "girls" when he gets upset.

 
At 06 July, 2011 22:26, Blogger snug.bug said...

I call people girls when they act like girls, which you frequently do.

I've never met a man who thought that the obstinate repetition of falsehoods was funny, as you clearly do. I've met a lot of girls who do, and some women who act girly when they flirt.

 
At 07 July, 2011 06:51, Blogger sabba said...

But limp sock-puppets are pathetic.
Exactly coming from somebody who ran away from a face debate with WR and with me.
Still waiting for your evidence.
Also, waiting for the names of your activists who told you not to debate (yeah right). Also waiting for you to call Carol Brouillett to set up a debate on her radio show (it will never happen).
Also, waiting for you to call C-Span.( it will never happen)
Also, waiting for you to call Zarmannoff.( it will never happen)
Bitch!( it already happened!)

 
At 07 July, 2011 07:04, Blogger sabba said...

I've met a lot of girls who do, and some women who act girly when they flirt. did you learn that from your seduction of woman lessons and young girls gymnasts peeping on wikipedia?

 
At 07 July, 2011 11:05, Blogger snug.bug said...

Sabba, I didn't run away from anything. Here I am. Here Willie isn't.

Instead he hides behind sock puppets like you. I never had anything to do with seduction on wikipedia or gymnasts on wikipedia.

If Willie wants to debate on Carol's radio show or anywhere else with responsible moderation he can set it up. You claim he has good contacts with Carol and blogger and visibility911, but it appears that none of those want to have a debate. Why not? Because they know I will kick Willie's very sorry ass right out of the park.

 
At 07 July, 2011 11:16, Blogger snug.bug said...

911blogger has the institutional history that its administrator, reprehensor, wrote a post called "William Rodriguez Vindicated by Newly Released 9/11 Commission Notes" in 2009.

http://911blogger.com/node/19439

Soon after that I found myself on a high-level email list that included people like Griffin, Jones, Gage, reprehensor, and Willie, and I called out reprehensor for his lies in that post. It was extremely deceptive, claiming that since notes from the 9/11 Commission in 2004 were consistent with Willie's story in 2006 and 2007, therefore Willie's story had been consistent all along. Of course it ignored changes in Willie's story between 2001 and 2004. Willie offered no defense, reprehensor offered no defense, and nobody else offered any defense. Not long after that, reprehensor stepped down from his position at 911blogger, and I've heard nothing of him since.

Of course all that was before I discovered that Willie stole his hero story from a true 9/11 hero, Pablo Ortiz, who died when a building fell on him.

 
At 07 July, 2011 13:21, Blogger sabba said...

Soon after that I found myself on a high-level email list that included people like Griffin, Jones, Gage, reprehensor, and Willie, and I called out reprehensor for his lies in that post

Sure! please provide evidence of your lies. Why don't you post your so-called emails? There were none for sure.

 
At 07 July, 2011 13:36, Blogger sabba said...

Instead he hides behind sock puppets like you.
you are afraid to face me too bitch!
If Willie wants to debate on Carol's radio show or anywhere else with responsible moderation he can set it up. You claim he has good contacts with Carol and blogger and visibility911, but it appears that none of those want to have a debate. Why not? Because they know I will kick Willie's very sorry ass right out of the park.
you are such a pussy Brian Good.
Here from Rodriguez himself one more time:
Rodriguez challenges you

and what about his challenge here?

Rodriguez challenges you to set up a debate on Carol's Radio Show

Keep lying bitch and please prove that I am one of his sockpuppet as you claim. Bitch!

 
At 07 July, 2011 14:08, Blogger snug.bug said...

Sabba, Willie was on the email list. He knows they exist.

I don't think Carol considers Willie worth her limited air time. The 9/11 anniversary is coming up, and after that there will be a backlog of stuff on other issues she's involved with.

If Willie wants a debate, it's up to him to set one up. It's not worth my time just to poke a washed-up con artist.

 
At 07 July, 2011 17:18, Blogger sabba said...

Brian Good the Bitch says: If Willie wants a debate, it's up to him to set one up. It's not worth my time just to poke a washed-up con artist.
HA!!! another quote for the books from the chicken shit who ran away from several debates, Brian Good from Palo Alto California. You don't realize that it is you who are not worth the time of anybody, let alone those in your bowel movement. Move on Bitch! Go F*$# yourself, since you could not F*%% Carol.

 
At 07 July, 2011 22:35, Blogger snug.bug said...

So, what do you think of Fenton's book, sabba?

 
At 08 July, 2011 07:35, Blogger sabba said...

Fenton's book will not help you F$%$ Carol, Brian Good.

 
At 09 July, 2011 10:05, Blogger snug.bug said...

That has never been an ambition of mine, sabba.

 
At 09 July, 2011 10:12, Blogger sabba said...

Brian Good -Stalker saysThat has never been an ambition of mine, sabba.
BUAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAH!!!

 
At 09 July, 2011 11:35, Blogger snug.bug said...

That has never been an ambition of mine, and you have not a shred of evidence that it was.

Carol and I were close friends. I always understood that she was married and had three kids. Adultery brings only pain. It's a waste of time.

 
At 09 July, 2011 20:42, Blogger sabba said...

Carol talked about your obsessions more than once on the internet. Links have been presented and you stalked her then, and you still try to stalk her now.

Carol and I were close friends. I always understood that she was married and had three kids. Adultery brings only pain.
Sure , it was painful for you not to get any puntang, that is why you were obsessed. Brian , you are known all over the internet, Worldwide, as a stalker and an obsessed character. Good luck trying to clean your image.

 
At 10 July, 2011 08:11, Blogger snug.bug said...

"Links have been presented"? Wow, real, actual LINKS? Gosh, that settles it!

Links to what? Documents that don't exist? The writings of Kevin Barrett? William Turdriguez's website?

My image is just fine. It takes more than some idiot posting fisheye pictures to make me look bad--and the people who are lying about me are obvious bigots and swindlers.

 
At 10 July, 2011 15:04, Blogger sabba said...

and the people who are lying about me are obvious bigots and swindlers.
So, Carol is a bigot? got that.
Richard Gage is a swindler? got that.
John Wright is a liar? got that.
They are all right about you IMHO.
Bitch!

 
At 10 July, 2011 15:56, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 10 July, 2011 15:59, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 10 July, 2011 17:29, Blogger snug.bug said...

I didn't say that any of those people are liars, swindlers, or bigots. I've seen all of them in the past 6 weeks or so, and they all seemed to be fine with me.

Let's get back to the point: Willie R stole the hero story of a dead 9/11 hero, Pablo Ortiz. Say, what do you think are the chances that Willie will return the $1400 he swindled his Grand Lake audience out of? Still a year to go in the statute of limitations for criminal fraud!

 
At 10 July, 2011 17:55, Blogger sabba said...

Let's get back to the point:
I agree, reading the book will not help you F*&^* Carol Brouillett.

 
At 10 July, 2011 19:37, Blogger snug.bug said...

That has never been an ambition of mine, and you have not a shred of evidence that it was.

However, I can show that Willie's hero story is a lie and I can show that he stole it from Pablo Ortiz.

 
At 10 July, 2011 20:06, Blogger snug.bug said...

Let's label it William Turdriguez
Willie Turdriguez
Willie R
William Rodriguez
Last Man Out
9/11 Keymaster

so google can find it

 
At 10 July, 2011 22:03, Blogger sabba said...

Let's label it so google can find it:
Brian Good from Palo Alto California is a Sex Stalker

Brian Good From Palo Alto, California is a potential terrorist.

Brian Good From Palo Alto, California is a lying yenta.

Brian Good From Palo Alto, California is William Rodriguez Bitch!

Brian Good From Palo Alto, California is a Chicken.

Brian Good From Palo Alto, California wanted to F*&^% Carol Brouillett , but it backfired!

Brian Good From Palo Alto, California is an obsessed and deranged sex predator.

Brian Good From Palo Alto, California is in love with William, willie, WR, W-ROD, ROdriguez, Turdriguez and wants to have his babies.

Brian Good From Palo Alto, California is called a goat fucker by GuitarBill.

Brian Good From Palo Alto, California is a coward who ran away from Rodriguez when challenged to a debate.

Brian Good From Palo Alto, California is a coward who ran away from me.

Brian Good From Palo Alto, California was kicked out of all the main truther groups for stalking.

Brian Good was "let go" from Richard Gage's organization due to his obsession with Rodriguez, Kevin Barrett, Carol Brouillett and John Wright. Also for using their computers to send harassing e-mails.

Brian Good lies about the victims of 9/11

Brian Good lies about the Widows.

Now, any reader can google this and get back to "Brian Good Chickens out of a debate".

Bitch!

 
At 10 July, 2011 22:04, Blogger sabba said...

Let's get back to the point:
I agree, reading the book will not help you F*&^* Carol Brouillett.

 
At 10 July, 2011 22:07, Blogger snug.bug said...

That has never been an ambition of mine, and you have not a shred of evidence that it was.

However, I can show that Willie is a swindling scumbag scamster, that his hero story is a lie and he stole it from Pablo Ortiz.

 
At 10 July, 2011 22:12, Blogger sabba said...

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At 10 July, 2011 22:13, Blogger sabba said...

However, you will never get to F*@#$ Carol Brouillett, let alone any other woman at this point in your life. That is why you are obsessed with your Latin Boy.

 
At 10 July, 2011 22:29, Blogger snug.bug said...

And who elected you the Lord of Womanhood?

Willie is hardly a boy. He's a saggy manboob who wears Hawaiian shirts to try to cover his fat ass.

 
At 10 July, 2011 22:33, Blogger sabba said...

...and still, you won't get any Puntang from Carol Brouillett, let alone any other woman.

 
At 10 July, 2011 22:45, Blogger snug.bug said...

How do you know?

 
At 10 July, 2011 22:48, Blogger sabba said...

I told you , I am closer to you than you think, but you will never find out since you also ran away from me for a face to face debate , like you did with Rodriguez.

Therefore... you will not get any "puntang"


Bitch!

 
At 10 July, 2011 22:52, Blogger snug.bug said...

Tell me more. Where do you get this astounding power over my life?

 
At 10 July, 2011 22:56, Blogger sabba said...

from your obsessions and your stupidity.

Bitch!

 
At 10 July, 2011 23:10, Blogger snug.bug said...

I think you have me confused with someone else.

 
At 10 July, 2011 23:18, Blogger sabba said...

oh, my apologies, I was talking about Brian , the bitch from Palo Alto California.

 
At 10 July, 2011 23:54, Blogger snug.bug said...

Then you don't know what you're talking about.

 
At 10 July, 2011 23:59, Blogger sabba said...

Sure Stalker, sure....

 
At 11 July, 2011 00:02, Blogger snug.bug said...

See what I mean?

 
At 11 July, 2011 00:11, Blogger sabba said...

exactly!

 
At 11 July, 2011 08:28, Blogger snug.bug said...

So let's see, you are telling me that you are close to me, that you're going to interfere in my life. And then you call ME a stalker?

 
At 11 July, 2011 11:11, Blogger sabba said...

...that you're going to interfere in my life.
you give yourself too much self importance stalker.
Have you called C-Span yet?
Have you F%@**^ Carol yet?

 
At 11 July, 2011 11:51, Blogger snug.bug said...

You said 7/10 22:48:

"I am closer to you than you think.... Therefore... you will not get any 'puntang'"

That sounds like a threat to interfere with my life.

 
At 11 July, 2011 11:55, Blogger sabba said...

is that how you interpret also the 9/11 truth? Amazing!!!!
No puntang for you!

 
At 11 July, 2011 11:57, Blogger sabba said...

That sounds like a threat to interfere with my life.
You forget that I publicly admitted to report you to the FBI as a possible threat.

 
At 11 July, 2011 12:18, Blogger snug.bug said...

A threat to what? To Willie's career as a swindler?

 
At 11 July, 2011 12:24, Blogger sabba said...

See what I mean when I talk about your "obsessions"...
No need to talk about anything or anybody with you since it will revolve back to the love of your life...William Rodriguez.

It is obvious why you will not get any puntang.

Bitch!

 
At 11 July, 2011 12:36, Blogger snug.bug said...

Nice job of flipping. I post about a lot of things including the chemistry of thermite, the FBI investigations of AlMihdhar and AlHazmi, the laws of thermodynamics, the inadequacies of the investigations.

You post about nothing but me, and about Willie.

 
At 11 July, 2011 12:40, Blogger sabba said...

Nice job of flipping.
yeah, the Queen of queers calling me a flipper. Laughable.
Admit it, I know what buttons to press so your obsessions will show, every single time.

Carol will never F@#$@# you.

 
At 11 July, 2011 15:34, Blogger snug.bug said...

See what I mean?

 
At 12 July, 2011 10:55, Blogger sabba said...

Exactly!

 
At 12 July, 2011 22:56, Blogger snug.bug said...

Willie is a swindler who stole his hero story from a dead man.

 
At 13 July, 2011 07:09, Blogger sabba said...

Brian Good is a sex stalker that wanted to fuck Carol Brouillett and did not succeeded.

 
At 13 July, 2011 07:14, Blogger snug.bug said...

Look at you, you don't even try to deny that Willie is a swindler! All you can do is lie about the accuser.

You're pathetic.

 
At 13 July, 2011 08:12, Blogger sabba said...

Brian Good is a sex stalker that wanted to fuck Carol Brouillett and did not succeeded.
P.S. that is not a lie.

 
At 13 July, 2011 09:18, Blogger snug.bug said...

You have not a shred of evidence for that claim, which is of no interest to anybody anyway. It has nothing to do with the proven fact that Willie Rodriguez stole his hero story from a dead man and used it to travel around the world fraudulently collecting money.

 
At 13 July, 2011 10:17, Blogger sabba said...

you cannot bury with your dumbspam all the times you have been showed , e-mails, comments and statements by people you have stalked, specially Carol Brouillett.
which is of no interest to anybody anyway Wrong, when you come to accuse others, you are open to scrutiny yourself asshole.

I am still waiting for your evidence that I am WR sock puppet. Put up!
Bitch!
Bitch!

 
At 13 July, 2011 10:21, Blogger snug.bug said...

You're a liar, sabba, er, Willie, whoever you are.

And so what if your claims were true? It doesn't change the fact that William Turdriguez stole his hero story from Pablo Ortiz and the traveled around the world defrauding people of money.

 
At 13 July, 2011 11:18, Blogger sabba said...

You're a liar, sabba, er, Willie, whoever you are.
...and still no evidence...just like your theories.
And so what if your claims were true?
They are true and you will never ever get to Fuck Carol.

 
At 13 July, 2011 11:28, Blogger snug.bug said...

Sabba, that has never been my ambition. You make up your facts. Carol and I were very close friends. I thought she had enormous potential as a political candidate and I worked with her in activism work. One of her assets as a candidate was that she was a mom with three kids and a stable marriage. I wanted to protect that marriage.

You have no right to say what you say.

William Rodriguez is a public figure. He has appeared on TV, he has sought media attention. He stole his story from a dead hero, Pablo Ortiz, and he has traveled around the world making untrue (fraudulent) claims and inducing people to give him money. That is a fact, and I have every right (and even a duty) to say so.

 
At 13 July, 2011 11:33, Blogger sabba said...

That is a fact, and I have every right (and even a duty) to say so.

Funny thing is that the person in that statement that does not agrees with you is Carol Herself. It is also my duty to show the liar you are and the lies you have tried to cover about yourself.
So, I am still waiting for your evidence of me being a sock puppet bitch!
Put up.
and you will never, ever get to fuck Carol, Brian Good.

 
At 13 July, 2011 11:51, Blogger snug.bug said...

Carol is very confused about two things.

#1, she believes that I called her husband and said things that I never said. Maybe somebody did (somebody like you, for instance), but it wasn't me.

#2, she believes that my disgust with the liar and bigot Kevin Barrett and with the swindling con artist William Rodriguez were based on jealousy. Why she thinks I should be jealous of a couple of fat, saggy, manboobs-on-legs who go around lying for a living I can't understand.

She gives Willie the benefit of the doubt because she thinks he's a hero, and she gives Kevin the benefit of the doubt because she thinks he's smart, and she's wrong on both counts.

 
At 13 July, 2011 13:40, Blogger sabba said...

Thanks for proving my point.

 
At 13 July, 2011 14:02, Blogger snug.bug said...

So you're saying Carol's going to be confused forever? How can you predict such a thing?

 
At 13 July, 2011 14:04, Blogger sabba said...

nice try on putting words on Carol's lips. What else can we expect from you, since you could not put "anything else" of yours on those lips....

 
At 13 July, 2011 15:47, Blogger snug.bug said...

I wasn't putting anything on Carol's lips. I was trying to understand what you're babbling about.

 

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