Monday, April 02, 2012

I Don't Have A Clue What He Means Either


Over at Flogger, he specifies that he's not arguing that there were no hijackers; I suppose this is the old "No True Muslim" bit. Shaima Alawadi is the Muslim woman who was murdered in San Diego two weeks ago. Of course, Jon's wearing the hoodie as a show of support for Trayvon Martin, the black kid killed in Florida over a month ago, whose death is being played out in the media (and about which I profess no opinion).

Still, it's just a little too close to the "Muslims didn't do 9-11" line that Richard Gage and Kevin Ryan have been pushing. I'd like to see all three of them "man up" and tell us exactly what they mean. Do they believe that Mohamed Atta, Marwan Al-Shehhi, Hani Hanjour and Ziad Jarrah piloted planes into the WTC, the Pentagon and Shanksville, but they are not good Muslims? Or are they just being coy as usual about admitting their real kooky beliefs?

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At 02 April, 2012 23:37, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Not to worry, Pat. This is all part of a [cough] progression for Jon "pass the Big Mac" Gold. For example, today he's wearing a hoodie, and soon enough he'll graduate to a burka and have his labia removed. All in a day's work for an Al Qaeda apologist.

You go, gurl!

 
At 03 April, 2012 04:25, Blogger Billman said...

Cue the honorable champion of justice himself, Jon Gold, swearing and calling Pat an idiot and accusing him of covering up treason in 3... 2...

 
At 03 April, 2012 04:37, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

Meh. After reading that section of Jon's book, I can't bring myself to ridicule him any more. He's a troubled kid. Arrogant loudmouth, yes, but that's a coping strategy. It's his network of idiot Truthaction enablers that keep him in this cycle of failed gestures.

 
At 03 April, 2012 05:17, Blogger Ian said...

I'm not sure what Trayvon Martin has to do with 9/11. Maybe that was an inside job too? Maybe modified attack baboons actually killed Martin?

 
At 03 April, 2012 05:53, Blogger Jon Gold said...

Here you go... I'll hold your hand for you since you seem incapable of noticing the obvious. The post at blogger has a link to this article I wrote on the subject which states:

"My basic belief is that 9/11 was not an act of war, and instead, a crime. Not a Muslim, Zionist, American, Israeli, Saudi Arabian, Pakistani, Episcopalian crime. A crime.

If people who happened to be Muslim participated in the crime of 9/11, that doesn’t mean you blame everyone who is a Muslim. Just as you don’t blame everyone who is a Christian after a Christian decides to blow up an abortion clinic. You blame the individuals responsible, and not everyone from their religion, nationality, or ideology.

9/11 is being treated as a “Muslim crime” by some, and as a result, Thousands of Muslims that had nothing to do with the attacks have been slaughtered. Treating 9/11 as a crime, without the religious, national, and ideological undertones, prevents more people from being blamed and slaughtered for a crime they didn’t commit. It’s as simple as that."

Or if you saw this video of my actions this past Saturday, maybe you would get a "clue."

Or maybe if you saw this video I made before my action, you would get a "clue."

 
At 03 April, 2012 05:54, Blogger Jon Gold said...

And you are an idiot.

 
At 03 April, 2012 06:08, Blogger Jon Gold said...

By the way... a Muslim couple stopped in traffic to take my picture, and to thank me. The lady was wearing a hijab. The man blessed me. They understood what I was doing.

 
At 03 April, 2012 06:20, Blogger Jon Gold said...

Maybe you guys like blaming an entire religion and all its people for 9/11, I do not.

 
At 03 April, 2012 08:40, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

Hey, dumbass, nobody here is blaming a religion. Al Qaeda was responsible, the Taliban chose to protect them. Both are cults, not religious institutions. Had the Taliban handed over Al Qaeda as requested we would never have invaded.

By accusing us of being anti-Muslim you are as guilty as George W Bush and Osama bin Laden in your narrow-minded bigotry.

For the record Al Qaeda declared war, not us.

 
At 03 April, 2012 11:26, Blogger Pat said...

And if you'd spent the last decade demonstrating against the wars that resulted from 9-11, I might have a modicum of respect for you. Instead you've spent those years indulging yourself in an Inspector Clousseau fantasy that the people manifestly responsible for 9-11 were in fact innocent and that elements in our government were the real suspects.

 
At 03 April, 2012 13:22, Blogger Jon Gold said...

Really Pat? I thought that I said OBL, KSM, 19 hijackers, etc... were also suspects, along with elements within our Government and others. You really don't seem to know what you're talking about at all.

 
At 03 April, 2012 14:02, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

Jon,

Honestly, how do we know that you're not on the list of suspected terrorist that plan to destroy this country from within?

I mean you have a criminal record with the Secret Service, FBI and CIA. And you taped yourself doing stupid and crazy shit for nothing. You're just like Bin Laden, you act like him in every way, you think that by doing something stupid and crazy will make you a "hero" in the people you've talked with and became friends with. One day you will realize that like Bin Laden, you too will become IRRELEVENT.

PS: How do we know for sure you're not the real threat to America instead of the terrorist you try to protect?

 
At 03 April, 2012 14:27, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

Here's what Fat Bastard (Jon Gold) had to say over on 9/11 "Booger":

"Muslims did not attack the U.S. on 9/11"

http://www.911blogger.com/news/2012-03-18/muslims-did-not-attack-us-911#comments

I suggest that they weren't very good Muslims for some of the same reasons Kevin did, but argued that you hold the individuals responsible for the crime, and not entire nationalities, ideologies, or religions. I also suggest that people who considered themselves Muslim may actually have been involved, whereas Kevin suggests that they weren't.

So what Jon is saying is that he actually blames those 19 muslim terrorist for the crime, but then again he is saying that he's the one blaming ALL muslims for the crime. Isn't that right Jon?

I like how Jon totally forget's this line he made:

The point is, we shouldn't IGNORE information regarding the hijackers, especially when it is incriminating, just because it doesn't coincide with what someone THINKS happened that day.

So, Jon admits that the information reguarding the 19 hijackers is right, while the other side of his brian thinks the complete opposite, ok that's a given. But then he disreguards those within the Truth Movement who "THINK" what happened on 9/11. Brilliant Jon, just brilliant.

Jon, can I ask you a fair question:

How does it feel to stab your own compatriots in the back while admitting that the Official Report is correct and that the Truth Movement is wrong?

 
At 03 April, 2012 15:08, Blogger Dylan Unsavery said...

Nice work, Jon. We don't know for sure that this was an anti-Muslim hate crime, but Jon's already hit the streets.

And Jon, could you let me know what, in your opinion, constitutes an act of war.

 
At 03 April, 2012 15:19, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

Honestly I think Jon's asking to get shot by some real Hoods if he keeps on taking pictures of himself like that.

And if Jon gets shot by those real Hoods, he can blame himself for doing stupid shit like that.

Ya readin' this Johnny Boy?

 
At 03 April, 2012 16:35, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 03 April, 2012 16:36, Blogger snug.bug said...

Jon wrote: a Muslim couple stopped in traffic to take my picture, and to thank me. The lady was wearing a hijab. The man blessed me.

I was once on a college campus handing out club cards to advertise a talk about engineering and the twin towers. A young muslim man stopped, curious, looked at the card, and tears came to his eyes.

MGF wrote: Al Qaeda was responsible, the Taliban chose to protect them.

As usual you don't know what you're talking about. Whoever feeds you your talking points is lying to you. Taliban offered to turn over Osama in February of 2001. They offered twice to turn him over after 9/11. Osama himself offered to stand trial in a neutral court.

 
At 03 April, 2012 17:15, Blogger James B. said...

I don't think they were very good Muslims either, they murdered thousands of people. It is a pointless argument. Apparently Jon hasn't heard of religious hypocrisy either

 
At 03 April, 2012 17:28, Blogger Ian said...

I was once on a college campus handing out club cards to advertise a talk about engineering and the twin towers. A young muslim man stopped, curious, looked at the card, and tears came to his eyes.

And about 900 other college students pointed and laughed at the burnt-out mentally ill person with the terrible haircut who can stand around a college campus all day because he's unemployed. You left that part out, Brian.

As usual you don't know what you're talking about. Whoever feeds you your talking points is lying to you. Taliban offered to turn over Osama in February of 2001. They offered twice to turn him over after 9/11. Osama himself offered to stand trial in a neutral court.

As usual, said mentally ill unemployed janitor who babbles about irrelevant dead people like RFK is lying.

 
At 03 April, 2012 17:32, Blogger Ian said...

I don't think they were very good Muslims either, they murdered thousands of people. It is a pointless argument. Apparently Jon hasn't heard of religious hypocrisy either.

One good thing about being an atheist is that I don't have to pretend that my sense of right and wrong comes from silly ancient books. The fact is that EVERY religious person on this planet picks and chooses what parts of their religious beliefs they want to follow. Rick Santorum (to pick one example) ignores all sorts of Catholic teachings.

I don't care if Mohammed Atta was a "good" or "bad" Muslim. I care that he was a bad human being.

 
At 03 April, 2012 17:38, Blogger Ian said...

And the problem with people like Jon and Brian is that they want to exonerate the bad human beings responsible for mass murder on 9/11 because...well, because they have an axe to grind with the Bush Administration or with American society in general.

 
At 03 April, 2012 17:40, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"As usual you don't know what you're talking about. Whoever feeds you your talking points is lying to you. Taliban offered to turn over Osama in February of 2001. They offered twice to turn him over after 9/11. Osama himself offered to stand trial in a neutral court."

I don't get my information from Anti-American propaganda websites.

The February, 2001 claim is made by one man, Kabir Mohabbat.

The offer to try bin Laden in a neutral court is what non-mentally ill people call "yanking your chain".

Butt-hurt much?

 
At 03 April, 2012 17:43, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"I was once on a college campus handing out club cards to advertise a talk about engineering and the twin towers. A young muslim man stopped, curious, looked at the card, and tears came to his eyes."

...because of your crippling body odor.

 
At 03 April, 2012 17:45, Blogger GuitarBill said...

MGF wrote, "...because of your crippling body odor."

ROTFLMAO!

 
At 04 April, 2012 01:07, Blogger snug.bug said...

MGF, if that were the issue, then other people would have reacted the same way. You really don't have much of a mind for science--or anything else for that matter--do you?

 
At 04 April, 2012 05:46, Blogger Ian said...

MGF, if that were the issue, then other people would have reacted the same way. You really don't have much of a mind for science--or anything else for that matter--do you?

My, such squealing!

Poor Brian. He's been humiliated again. His "widows" still haven't had their questions answered, no matter how much dumbspam he posts here, and no matter how much of a fool he makes of himself by wandering aimlessly around college campuses.

 
At 04 April, 2012 12:56, Blogger snug.bug said...

I didn't wander aimlessly, I passed out advertising cards. About 75 people came to the event, including many engineering students--one of whom was writing a paper about the collapse of WTC7.

I note that no representative from NIST has had the guts to appear on college campuses and explain their nonsense since John Gross found it necessary to lie about the molten steel when he was in Austin several years ago.

 
At 04 April, 2012 13:13, Blogger Ian said...

I didn't wander aimlessly, I passed out advertising cards. About 75 people came to the event, including many engineering students--one of whom was writing a paper about the collapse of WTC7.

Wow, a whole 75 people showed up! That's almost as many as you can get to fill the stadium for the Stanford-Cal game.

I note that no representative from NIST has had the guts to appear on college campuses and explain their nonsense since John Gross found it necessary to lie about the molten steel when he was in Austin several years ago.

Why would anyone from NIST waste their time countering the delusional babbling of an unemployed janitor who failed out of San Jose State?

You don't seem to understand that normal people have jobs and other commitments and thus aren't going to waste their time on a tiny crackpot cult like 9/11 truth. You, on the other hand, have no job, no friends, no family, and thus can devote every waking hour to spreading the gospel of magic thermite elves.

 
At 04 April, 2012 13:51, Blogger snug.bug said...

So how many showed up to hear Dr. Gross speak in Austin?

Your insistently faulty framing shows you to be irrational, dishonest, or both.

 
At 04 April, 2012 16:16, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Captain Crotchrot lies, "...note that no representative from NIST has had the guts to appear on college campuses and explain their nonsense since John Gross found it necessary to lie about the molten steel when he was in Austin several years ago."

Another baseless assertion, ass?

Prove it.

I won't hold my breath waiting for your "evidence."

 
At 04 April, 2012 16:20, Blogger snug.bug said...

I can't prove a negative, lamebrain. If there has been anyone from NIST appearing in public to talk about the WTC reports, since John Gross lied about the melted steel in Austin, it is for you to prove it.

 
At 04 April, 2012 16:20, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 04 April, 2012 16:27, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Go for it, jackass.

Tell us more about "molten steel," while you quote mine Dr. Astaneh-Asl who wrote, "...please stop using a phrase 'molten steel' from eight years of my work and statements to further your absolutely misguided and baseless conspiracy theories and find another subject for your discussion. You are hurting the victims' families immensely and if you have any humanity you would stop doing so and will not use my name nor the out of context words from my work."

I won't hold my breath waiting for your alleged "evidence."

And remember, 'tard, QUOTE MINING is NOT "evidence."

 
At 04 April, 2012 16:33, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Captain Crotchrot les, "...I can't prove a negative, lamebrain. If there has been anyone from NIST appearing in public to talk about the WTC reports, since John Gross lied about the melted steel in Austin, it is for you to prove it."

See what I mean? You can't pass a formal examination in elementary logic.

I didn't ask you to prove a negative, jackass.

I asked you to provide evidence for the presence of molten steel at Ground Zero.

And quote mined nonsense is NOT evidence.

Either provide an assay to confirm the presence of alleged "molten steel" at Ground Zero, or STFU.

Anything less than an assay performed by a qualified metallurgist or chemist is NOT evidence.

Now put up or shut up, scumbag.

 
At 04 April, 2012 20:11, Blogger snug.bug said...

ButtGoo, we've been over this a dozen times. Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl told PBS that he "saw melting of girders at World Trade Center." Dr. James Glanz saw melted steel too. Also Captain Philip Ruvolo, FDNY. Also Leslie Robertson told a Stanford audience in 2002 that he saw "like a little river of molten steel flowing".

Dr. Steven Jones did an assay from a 40-pound ingot of formerly-molten ferrous material. If it was not steel, then it was elemental iron, as from thermite.

 
At 04 April, 2012 20:19, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 04 April, 2012 20:20, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker lies, "...Dr. Steven Jones did an assay from a 40-pound ingot of formerly-molten ferrous material. If it was not steel, then it was elemental iron, as from thermite."

False. Once again, you're lying, shit-for-brains. Your word isn't worth the ASCII characters you waste to post it.

Steven Jones never performed an assay, and you can't provide the documentation. Jones, moreover, is a proven liar; thus, his alleged "assay" would be worthless even if it existed (and it doesn't).

Try an unbiased source for once in your worthless life, goat fucker.

 
At 04 April, 2012 20:32, Blogger snug.bug said...

ButtGoo, no one other than Dr. Jones has shown any interest in assaying the iron. I'm sure he has documentation. You want it, you ask him for it. While your at it, ask him for another sample so you can have your own assay done. If you're not willing to do that, then STFU.

 
At 04 April, 2012 20:41, Blogger Ian said...

ButtGoo, we've been over this a dozen times. Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl told PBS that he "saw melting of girders at World Trade Center." Dr. James Glanz saw melted steel too. Also Captain Philip Ruvolo, FDNY. Also Leslie Robertson told a Stanford audience in 2002 that he saw "like a little river of molten steel flowing".

Dr. Steven Jones did an assay from a 40-pound ingot of formerly-molten ferrous material. If it was not steel, then it was elemental iron, as from thermite.


Brian, these pathetic lies are amusing to us. They demonstrate just how desperate and hysterical you are. After all, if you had any evidence for your insane belief that 9/11 was an inside job, you wouldn't need to lie. Unfortunately, 9/11 truth isn't going to redeem your failed life, no matter how much spam you post.

 
At 04 April, 2012 20:54, Blogger snug.bug said...

Skidmark, Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl told PBS that he "saw melting of girders at World Trade Center." Dr. James Glanz saw melted steel too. Also Captain Philip Ruvolo, FDNY. Also Leslie Robertson told a Stanford audience in 2002 that he saw "like a little river of molten steel flowing".
For you to claim otherwise is a despicable lie.

Why are you clowns afraid of the truth? What kind of debunker is that?

 
At 04 April, 2012 21:58, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Captain Crotchrot lies, "...no one other than Dr. Jones has shown any interest in assaying the iron. I'm sure he has documentation. You want it, you ask him for it. While your at it, ask him for another sample so you can have your own assay done. If you're not willing to do that, then STFU."

That's not evidence, goat fucker, it's an evasion and a naked attempt to shift the burden of proof.

If Jones performed an "assay" (and he didn't do any such thing, nor is he qualified to perform an assay), he would publish the results.

Furthermore, you're lying. You can't produce the assay because it doesn't exist.

So when do you plan to provide evidence to substantiate your 100% fact-free propaganda?

Yeah, I know, when Hell freezes over. Right, Pinocchio?

Put up or shut up, asshole.

Once again, you FAIL, shit-for brains.

 
At 04 April, 2012 22:53, Blogger snug.bug said...

ButtGoo, Dr. Jones did a chemical analysis of the ferrous material from a 40-pound ingot. If you want details, ask Dr. Jones.

 
At 04 April, 2012 23:02, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 04 April, 2012 23:16, Blogger snug.bug said...

ButtGoo, I told you where you can get the information you're looking for. I can't make you go get it. You're scairdy-cat, aren't you? Why is that? Nothing but pink slime between your flabby legs?

 
At 04 April, 2012 23:17, Blogger GuitarBill said...

That's not evidence, goat fucker, it's an evasion and a naked attempt to shift the burden of proof.

You're a liar. No assay exists, nor has it ever existed, and you have not a scintilla of evidence to substantiate your argument.

You're a troll and an insane, lying spammer with zero intellectual integrity.

Now get out of here--you God damned fraud.

 
At 04 April, 2012 23:22, Blogger snug.bug said...

Dr. Jones's chemical analysis is certainly evidence, ButtGoo. You're just a bit of skanky poozle, aren't you?

 
At 04 April, 2012 23:27, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 04 April, 2012 23:35, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Stop trying to shift the burden of proof, scumbag.

You made the outrageous and unsubstantiated claim; thus, the burden of proof rests squarely on your shoulders and your shoulders alone.

The assay simply doesn't exist, and we know this because you can't produce it.

And need I remind you that the word of a proven compulsive liar isn't worth a bucket full of compost?

You're an ass and a compulsive liar with all the intellectual integrity of a street walking whore.

You turn my stomach--you God damned liar.

So where's the assay, asshole?

Yeah, I know, up your ass where we'll find the shit-filled orb that rests on your spindly, effeminate shoulders.

Once again you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 05 April, 2012 00:02, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 05 April, 2012 00:02, Blogger snug.bug said...

Dr. Steven Jones did a chemical analysis of a sample taken from a 40-pound ingot of formerly molten ferrous material taken from Ground Zero, and your hysterical denial of this fact only shows your frantic and irrational inability to process reality and your desperate clinging to your illusions.

 
At 05 April, 2012 00:18, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Fact?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Yes, a "fact" totally unsupported by evidence.

Try taking your "fact" to a court of law, scumbag.

You wouldn't know a fact if it jumped up and bit you.

And speaking of "hysterical," it's obvious who's hysterical, and it's certainly not me, Pinocchio. After all, I'm sitting here laughing my ass off at your naked, intellectually dishonest attempts to shift the burden of proof. And your motive for shifting the burden of proof is as obvious as the nose on your ferret face: You're lying, as always, because you have no evidence.

So when do you plan to provide evidence to support your bilge, liar?

Now get the Hell out of here--you quote mining fraud.

 
At 05 April, 2012 06:00, Blogger Ian said...

Skidmark, Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl told PBS that he "saw melting of girders at World Trade Center." Dr. James Glanz saw melted steel too. Also Captain Philip Ruvolo, FDNY. Also Leslie Robertson told a Stanford audience in 2002 that he saw "like a little river of molten steel flowing".
For you to claim otherwise is a despicable lie.


That's what I expect from Brian: hysterical squealing when his lies are exposed. You can post this dumbspam as much as you like, but it doesn't make it true.

Why are you clowns afraid of the truth? What kind of debunker is that?

The truth? You mean the fact that there is no evidence of explosives or thermite in the WTC collapse, and that what you consider "evidence" are a collection of irrelevant factoids, delusions, and outright lies?

Actually, there's one person here who is so afraid of the truth that he runs away squealing and crying from it. This person is a mentally ill unemployed janitor who failed out of San Jose State and was thrown out of the truth movement for stalking Carol Brouillet. He likes to go by the names "petgoat" and "punxsutawneybarney" on the internet.

 
At 05 April, 2012 08:42, Blogger snug.bug said...

ButtGale, why would I want to take my evidence to court? Are you suing me for some reason? Why do you find it necessary to impose a phony standard? If you had any interest in truth you could easily find that Dr. Jones did a chemical analysis on a sample from a 40-pound ingot of formerly-molten ferrous material from Ground Zero.
http://911myths.com/html/low_chromium__abundant_mangane.html

Skidmark, there is abundant evidence of explosions and thermite. 118 first responders testified to sounds of explosions and/or light flashes. Chief Albert Turi said he thought there were secondary devices in the building. Chief Ray Downey thought that bombs had been planted in the top of WTC2.

You lie and lie and lie and lie. Why is that? Why are you so hysterically afraid of facts?

 
At 05 April, 2012 08:52, Blogger Ian said...

Skidmark, there is abundant evidence of explosions and thermite. 118 first responders testified to sounds of explosions and/or light flashes. Chief Albert Turi said he thought there were secondary devices in the building. Chief Ray Downey thought that bombs had been planted in the top of WTC2.

I've told you many times, Brian, that your irrelevant factoids, delusions, and lies are not evidence of anything but your own desperation and hysteria. You need 9/11 to have been an inside job in order for your pathetic existence to have meaning.

You lie and lie and lie and lie. Why is that? Why are you so hysterically afraid of facts?

See what I mean? You're so desperate and hysterical that you think your dumbspam is "facts".

No, Brian. The only facts in evidence are that you're an unemployed janitor who failed out of San Jose State.

 
At 05 April, 2012 09:30, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, are you calling FDNY Chief Albert Turi and FDNY Chief Ray Downey delusional? Upon what do you base your belief that their testimony about bombs in the buildings is irrelevant to the question of whether there were explosions in the buildings?

 
At 05 April, 2012 09:44, Blogger Ian said...

Ian, are you calling FDNY Chief Albert Turi and FDNY Chief Ray Downey delusional? Upon what do you base your belief that their testimony about bombs in the buildings is irrelevant to the question of whether there were explosions in the buildings?

Brian, I'm calling you delusional. You're the one spamming this blog, not Ray Downey.

Also, you're a mentally ill unemployed janitor who failed out of San Jose State. That's why you're so confused that you think "explosions" = "bombs" even with not a shred of evidence of bombs.

 
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At 05 April, 2012 09:53, Blogger snug.bug said...

Skidmark, I didn't say there were bombs in the buildings. Chief Turi and Chief Downey did.

There is much evidence of bombs in the buildings. There is the explosive ejection of pulverized building materials as much as 40 stories below the collapse zone. There are photos of columns with splayed ends or bulged out. There are 118 first responders who reported sounds of explosions and/or flashes of light. There are multi-ton building components burled hundreds of feet at 60 mph. There are enormous clouds of rapidly-expanding dust emanating from the building 800 feet in the air. You don't know what you're talking about, and all you have is lies. Stooooopid lies.

You didn't answer the question. Upon what do you base your belief that their testimony about bombs in the buildings is irrelevant to the question of whether there were explosions in the buildings?

 
At 05 April, 2012 09:58, Blogger Ian said...

Skidmark, I didn't say there were bombs in the buildings. Chief Turi and Chief Downey did.

False. You said there were bombs, because you're a delsional liar.

There is much evidence of bombs in the buildings. There is the explosive ejection of pulverized building materials as much as 40 stories below the collapse zone. There are photos of columns with splayed ends or bulged out. There are 118 first responders who reported sounds of explosions and/or flashes of light. There are multi-ton building components burled hundreds of feet at 60 mph. There are enormous clouds of rapidly-expanding dust emanating from the building 800 feet in the air. You don't know what you're talking about, and all you have is lies. Stooooopid lies.

See what I mean? All this dumbspam is not evidence of bombs. It's just evidence that you're a desperate and hysterical liar who is mentally ill.

You didn't answer the question. Upon what do you base your belief that their testimony about bombs in the buildings is irrelevant to the question of whether there were explosions in the buildings?

It's irrelevant because it's just the dumbspam of a mentally ill unemployed janitor who failed out of San Jose State.

 
At 05 April, 2012 10:20, Blogger snug.bug said...

Skidmark, I never said there were bombs. I don't know if there were or not. In your simple-minded world there are two positions: a) There were bombs in the towers and there is evidence of that, and b) there were no bombs in the towers and there is no evidence there were. You seem to find it amusing to pretend you believe that there is no reality-based position that c) there is evidence suggesting bombs in the buildings and we don't know yet if there were or weren't.

The explosive ejection of pulverized building materials 40 stories below the collapse zone is certainly evidence of bombs.

All you have is gossipy lies that discredit the cause you pretend to advocate.

 
At 05 April, 2012 10:22, Blogger snug.bug said...

Asking you what you base your beliefs on is not dumbspam. All you have is lies and erroneous labels.

 
At 05 April, 2012 10:45, Blogger Ian said...

Ah, a beautiful day for opening day in the baseball season. Mets vs. Braves. Brian, you should pause your hysterical, pointless babbling for a while and enjoy the Giants or A's tonight.

 
At 05 April, 2012 12:31, Blogger snug.bug said...

Oh you like to sit around and watch a bunch of skinny men standing around scratching their balls, huh? I hope I'm never bored enough to do that.

 
At 05 April, 2012 12:33, Blogger Ian said...

Oh you like to sit around and watch a bunch of skinny men standing around scratching their balls, huh? I hope I'm never bored enough to do that.

Of course that's how you visualize baseball, given that you're a cross-dressing pervert who was expelled from AE911Truth for stalking people.

But of course you'd rather babble endlessly about irrelevant worm food like RFK than actually enjoy normal life. That's why you're a pathetic failure, Brian.

 
At 05 April, 2012 13:26, Blogger Ian said...

The Mets won, Brian! They beat Atlanta 1-0.

What a great day. The sun is out, the Mets won on opening day, and Brian's "widows" still don't have their questions answered.

 
At 05 April, 2012 15:35, Blogger John said...

Back on topic, and a few questions for Jon Gold:

There's a possibility that Shaima Alawadi's murder might not be a hate crime after all.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/05/shaima-alawadi-iraqi-beaten-death-hate-crime_n_1406798.html

If it turns out it wasn't a hate crime, will you publicly acknowledge that fact underneath that picture of you on your thread? Will you publicly acknowledge that here?

If it turns out that it wasn't a hate crime, will you continue to publicly call for justice for her murder?

 
At 06 April, 2012 02:57, Blogger Dylan Unsavery said...

Oh dear. It's looking like many delete buttons will soon be in use.

 
At 06 April, 2012 06:34, Blogger Jon Gold said...

I did the right thing regardless of whether or not it was a hate crime. I tried to speak out against hatred towards Muslims. Which is something every American should be doing in a country that supposedly promotes the idea that you can practice any religion you want. The fact of the matter is, hatred towards Muslims in this country has increased exponentially since 9/11 (something I pointed out in the first video I posted about Shaima Alawadi). I tried, and have tried to do something about it. Unlike everyone that frequents this site.

 
At 06 April, 2012 07:04, Blogger John said...

But that doesn't answer my questions. I'm most concerned about this one:

If it turns out that it wasn't a hate crime, will you continue to publicly call for justice for her murder?

 
At 06 April, 2012 07:29, Blogger Jon Gold said...

Um... every murder deserves justice. Especially the murder of 2,973 people. And not the kind you get at a kangaroo court.

 
At 06 April, 2012 07:37, Blogger Ian said...

Um... every murder deserves justice. Especially the murder of 2,973 people. And not the kind you get at a kangaroo court.

If you're interested in justice for the people killed on 9/11, chaining yourself to the White House fence (while everyone ignores you) joining forces with the frauds and charlatans that make up the "truth" movement is a strange way to go about doing it.

I think you're just desperate for attention.

 
At 06 April, 2012 07:44, Blogger John said...

Um... every murder deserves justice.

True. But if it turned out that she wasn't killed by, say, a white nationalist but rather by, say, another muslim, you'll stop caring.

 
At 06 April, 2012 07:46, Blogger John said...

BTW, the total number of hate crimes reported against Jews in 2010 were greater than hate crimes against all other religions combined:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2010/tables/table-1-incidents-offenses-victims-and-known-offenders-by-bias-motivation-2010.xls

Just saying.

 
At 06 April, 2012 11:45, Blogger snug.bug said...

But if it turned out that she wasn't killed by, say, a white nationalist but rather by, say, another muslim, you'll stop caring.

There's nothing hypocritical about protesting a pattern of hate crimes and not protesting ordinary crimes.

As to the stats, one wonders what percentage of Jews reporting hate crimes are citizens, what percentage of Muslims reporting hate crimes are citizens, what percentage of Hispanics reporting hate crimes are citizens, what percentage of Jews are citizens, and what percentage of Muslims are citizens, and what percentage of Hispanics are citizens.






Point being,

 
At 06 April, 2012 13:02, Blogger snug.bug said...

Point being, I would expect a much higher rate of citizenship among Jews than the other groups, and thus I would expect a higher rate of reporting among Jews than among other groups.

 
At 06 April, 2012 13:43, Blogger Ian said...

Point being, I would expect a much higher rate of citizenship among Jews than the other groups, and thus I would expect a higher rate of reporting among Jews than among other groups.

Yes, I've had an experience like this. I was walking alone down a dark street in Vienna one time, and while I wasn't particularly worried about being mugged (it's Vienna, after all), I did say to myself that I wouldn't report a mugging. After all, I'm not an Austrian citizen.

This is when you're most entertaining, Brian. When the ideas in your head pop out that suggest that you have absolutely no familiarity with planet earth or its inhabitants. It's quite clear that you inhabit a planet none of us have ever heard of.

 
At 06 April, 2012 13:50, Blogger John said...

What pattern? Name one other victim in the United States that was murdered because they were Muslim.

And I say it is hypocritical. What about the girls' schools in Afghanistan that the Taliban bombed with poison gas? What about the kids in Iraq that were killed because of their "emo" fashion? What about all the Muslim victims that were killed around the world by other Muslims? Do they matter less than Shaima?

I hate this about the left. And for that matter fundamentalist Muslims. They don't care if Muslims die, they only care when white America or Israel kills them.

 
At 06 April, 2012 14:27, Blogger Ian said...

I hate this about the left. And for that matter fundamentalist Muslims. They don't care if Muslims die, they only care when white America or Israel kills them.

Yay for tribalism!

What's really fucked up is that the Muslims of Afghanistan freaked out far more when copies of the Qu'ran were burned than when that solider went off base and murdered their children. If you want to know why I'm an atheist, a good place to start would be to consider the fucked-up value system in which a book is worth more than the life of a child.

 
At 06 April, 2012 14:54, Blogger John said...

Right! The Taliban poison gassed a school because they thought Allah, speaking through a book, told them to.

Though I wouldn't say I'm an atheist. More like a cynic.

 
At 06 April, 2012 18:30, Blogger snug.bug said...

Skidmark, your belief that your attitudes as a tourist in Vienna have anything to do with those of non-citizen Muslims or Hispanics only show that you need to have a lot more experience of life than you've got.

John, I know off the top of my head that there were Sikhs murdered because people thought they were Muslim.

You seem to be arguing that protesting the crimes of Americans is hypocritical unless we protest crimes around the world. We are not obligated to protest the alleged crimes of the Taliban. We are not responsible for their crimes. We do have some responsibility for the crimes of those in our group. For instance, your failure to protest Ian's lies makes you complicit in those lies.

 
At 06 April, 2012 19:23, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

More comedy gold from Brian "mentally incapable of work" Goode:

"You seem to be arguing that protesting the crimes of Americans is hypocritical unless we protest crimes around the world. We are not obligated to protest the alleged crimes of the Taliban. We are not responsible for their crimes. We do have some responsibility for the crimes of those in our group. For instance, your failure to protest Ian's lies makes you complicit in those lies."

Once again, Mr Poopy Pants reveals his prejudices:

"You seem to be arguing that protesting the crimes of Americans is hypocritical unless we protest crimes around the world. We are not obligated to protest the alleged crimes of the Taliban."

Americans are criminals, yet the Taliban are "alleged criminals". So he gives a pass to murderers, rapists, and child molesters because they're Taliban, yet Americans are automatically -by Brian's own language - guilty.

"We are not responsible for their crimes."

Translation: We don't protest human rights violations against SOME people because it may end up justifying military actions against said scumbags.

Double standards are few take the anti-war movement seriously.

 
At 06 April, 2012 19:28, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker squeals, "...For instance, your failure to protest Ian's lies makes you complicit in those lies."

Who are you to accuse anyone of lying, scumbag?

You've lied repeatedly in every thread posted to this blog for over three years.

For instance, here's a wonderful example of your shameless lies.

So when do you plan to provide a link to Dr. Jones' non-existent "assay"--you lying sack-of-shit?

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

Now bury your latest humiliating defeat in an avalanche of squealspam, gay boi.

 
At 06 April, 2012 19:32, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

Jon Gold said...
"I tried to speak out against hatred towards Muslims. Which is something every American should be doing in a country that supposedly promotes the idea that you can practice any religion you want."

And Muslims practice their religion every day in this country unmolested. Muslims are safer in the US than the Middle East any day.


"The fact of the matter is, hatred towards Muslims in this country has increased exponentially since 9/11 (something I pointed out in the first video I posted about Shaima Alawadi)."

This is where you are wrong. Muslims have had a problem in the US for a long time. Why was CAIR founded if there was no image problem? Anti-Muslim sentiment began after the 1972 Munich Olympics, and grew during the Iranian Hostage Crisis. 9/11 was just another straw on the camel's back.

"I tried, and have tried to do something about it. Unlike everyone that frequents this site."


You've tried for the wrong reasons. It's all about YOU, not about Muslim Americans. I studied Arabic back in 1983 to better understand the Arab world, which classes have you taken? I would also point out there is not a lot of virulent anti-Islamic rhetoric on this site, in fact in four years there has been none.

So you do no research, you've done no serious. 9/11 truth has proven to be a huge joke, and it's not something to be proud of.

 
At 06 April, 2012 19:33, Blogger Ian said...

Skidmark, your belief that your attitudes as a tourist in Vienna have anything to do with those of non-citizen Muslims or Hispanics only show that you need to have a lot more experience of life than you've got.

I'm sure you know a lot about life as a Latino immigrant. After all, you worked in the field with Cesar Chavez.

Oh wait, no. You're a white native-born American from an affluent family who nevertheless managed to fuck his life up and fail out of college and now spends all his days posting spam about invisible widows.

Plus, you're a disgusting racist who hates Latinos. Just look at your deranged obsession with Willie Rodriguez and your claim that he stole his story from Pablo Ortiz (because them damned wetbacks are all alike).

 
At 06 April, 2012 19:39, Blogger Ian said...

You seem to be arguing that protesting the crimes of Americans is hypocritical unless we protest crimes around the world. We are not obligated to protest the alleged crimes of the Taliban. We are not responsible for their crimes. We do have some responsibility for the crimes of those in our group. For instance, your failure to protest Ian's lies makes you complicit in those lies.

Boy, Brian is now equating my posts here with the Taliban! That's how hysterical he has gotten.

I've really humiliated him by asking him for evidence that the widows have questions (which he can't provide) and pointing out how he's wasted his life spamming this blog with nonsense about magic thermite elves. Look at his hysterical squealing about "life experience". That's because he knows I've accomplished more than he ever will, and have experienced more than he ever will, even though I'm half his age.

 
At 06 April, 2012 20:10, Blogger John said...

What I'mbsaying is that Jon and you only care about Shaima's death if it was done by a Nationalistic American. Hell, I'll say it: you'd only care if it was done by a white American. If it turns out that an Arab Muslim killed her, you'll stop caring. You're using her death to further a political agenda, and I find that despicable.

I am not responsible in any way for her death: her murderer is. I am white, but I'm Partiallnot responsible for what white supremacist groups do. I'm not responsible for Trayvon Martin's death. I'm Irish, but I'm not responsible for what the IRA does. And I'm not responsible for what Ian posts. He is.

Using your logic, the next time a black man kills someone, I'll email President Obama, Al Sharpton, Spike Lee and Bill Cosby and demand that they tell me why they aren't taking responsibility for the murderer's actions.

 
At 06 April, 2012 20:43, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Bravo! Well said, John.

 
At 07 April, 2012 13:12, Blogger snug.bug said...

MGF, American murderers are criminals. The crimes of which Taliban is accused are alleged crimes until they are proven--and they have not. I'm sorry you are so logically challenged, but it's not my fault.

ButtGirl, your claims that I have lied are the empty rhetorical device of a deeply dishonest person. Ian lies in almost every post, and nobody here except me has the integrity to call him on it.

I already provided a link to the results of Dr. Jones's chemical analysis of the iron sample. If youo want more information, ask Dr. Jones. What are you afraid of?

Skidmark, yes I do know a lot about life as a latino immigrant and yes, I have worked with them and with poor blacks as a field laborer. That is one reason I have no awe of William Rodriguez and did not, as you do, give him a pass for his wrongdoing.

Your colleagues' tolerance for yout continuing lies about the widows and their 273 unanswered questions indicts their integrity.

John, there is no need for Jon and me to worry about every sparrow that falls out of the sky. If some woman marries unwisely and is killed by her scumbag husband, that has nothing to do with us. If she is killed in an anti-Muslim hate crime and we have not done enough to combat American bigotry, then we share in the guilt.

 
At 07 April, 2012 14:19, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Captain Crotchrot lies, "...your claims that I have lied are the empty rhetorical device of a deeply dishonest person."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You've lied repeatedly in every thread posted to this blog for over three years.

For instance, you claimed to have never mentioned "molten steel;" however, this is a blatant lie as the following link demonstrates:

The goat fucker lying through his terracotta teeth.

You're a joke.

So when do you plan to provide a link to Dr. Jones' non-existent "assay"--you lying sack-of-shit?

And the link you provided yesterday, which doesn't contain an assay and is NOT a scientific paper (it's a political document. Since when does a scientific paper contain political cartoons?), doesn't count. As I've explained time-and-time again, links to troofer websites are NOT evidence, they're a circle jerk.

So I'll ask you again: When do you plan to provide a link to Dr. Jones' non-existent "assay"--you lying sack-of-shit?

Yeah, I know, when Hell freezes over. Right, scumbag?

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 07 April, 2012 15:42, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"MGF, American murderers are criminals. The crimes of which Taliban is accused are alleged crimes until they are proven--and they have not. I'm sorry you are so logically challenged, but it's not my fault."

No it's not your fault, you have brain damage. All of the Taliban's crimes are on video, because they filmed their work. Executing women for improper dress, beating people for random violations of Sharia law.

It's been out there for fifteen years.

Draws into question your ability to comprehend what you see in video. Which explains your malfunction when it comes to 9/11.

 
At 07 April, 2012 16:01, Blogger snug.bug said...

MGF, did the Taliban video their alleged poison gassing of a girl's school? That was the issue that was under discussion.

 
At 07 April, 2012 21:26, Blogger Ian said...

Skidmark, yes I do know a lot about life as a latino immigrant and yes, I have worked with them and with poor blacks as a field laborer.

Field laborer, security guard, janitor, etc. etc. It's amazing that all the jobs you've held (before inevitably being fired from them) are the things one would expect a high school dropout to hold.

Your colleagues' tolerance for yout continuing lies about the widows and their 273 unanswered questions indicts their integrity.

Squeal squeal squeal!

Well, it's good to see that Brian has run away squealing and crying from his idiotic claim that non-citizens would not report crimes after we laughed at him for it.

 
At 07 April, 2012 22:05, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"MGF, did the Taliban video their alleged poison gassing of a girl's school? That was the issue that was under discussion"

Actually it was ONE of the things under discussion. It never happened. It was a hysterical reaction to a conventional attack (grenade). No chemicals were found. None of the girls showed signs of exposure to any chemical weapon.

 
At 08 April, 2012 11:54, Blogger snug.bug said...

MGF, if the gas attack never happened, then I was correct to refer to it as an "alleged" crime.

 
At 08 April, 2012 14:39, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"MGF, if the gas attack never happened, then I was correct to refer to it as an "alleged" crime."

I meant these:

http://www.hrw.org/news/1998/09/13/un-urged-prevent-more-killings-taliban-offensive-continues

http://www.hrw.org/news/1998/10/31/survivors-describe-taliban

http://www.hrw.org/reports/1998/11/01/afghanistan-massacre-mazar-i-sharif

http://www.hrw.org/news/2001/02/18/afghanistan-taliban-massacres-detailed

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/02/01/massacres-hazaras-afghanistan

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/10/29/humanity-denied

http://www.hrw.org/news/2011/08/31/afghanistan-taliban-should-stop-using-children-suicide-bombers

Then the U.N. has a bunch, I'm to busy to add:

http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N99/300/44/PDF/N9930044.pdf?OpenElement

So go ahead and defend them.

 
At 08 April, 2012 16:44, Blogger snug.bug said...

I was talking to John about his bogus claims. And I note that of 7 incidents you cite, only one is less than 10 years old. Since the government in question was driven from power more than 10 years ago, what is your point? Am I supposed to go to my local Taliban consulate and protest? Am I supposed to boycott Afghan restaurants?

 
At 08 April, 2012 17:12, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Speaking of bogus claims, scumbag, when do you plan to provide a link to Dr. Jones' non-existent "assay"?

Yeah, I know, when Hell freezes over. Right, scumbag?

 
At 08 April, 2012 17:30, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 08 April, 2012 17:32, Blogger snug.bug said...

ButtGirl, here is Dr. Jones's powerpoint about his electron microprobe findings and the 40-pound ingot of formerly-molten ferrous material: http://www.scribd.com/fb-596065570/d/126315-Answers-to-911-Objections-and-Questions-Prof-Stephen-E-Jones-Pres

See slides 71-76

 
At 08 April, 2012 18:12, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Scumbag, that PowerPoint presentation does NOT contain an assay, nor is it a scientific study. It's a political document filled with unsubstantiated troofer propaganda.

Now either produce the assay or admit that you're a lying sack of shit who misrepresents his alleged "sources."

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 08 April, 2012 18:44, Blogger snug.bug said...

So in what way exactly is Dr. Jones's electron microprobe study of the iron sample not an assay?

 
At 08 April, 2012 19:12, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 08 April, 2012 19:17, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 08 April, 2012 19:40, Blogger GuitarBill said...

There's no "electron microprobe study"--you moron.

The only thing you've managed to prove is that you don't know what an assay is, or the contents found therein. Thus, your alleged "scientific reputation" is just another pile of goat excrement.

E.g.,

Where are the [1] pre-analytic steps, which accompany EVERY real assay?

Where are the [2] post-analytic steps, which accompany EVERY real assay?

Where are the [3] specimen handling data?

Where are the [4] Sample processing and manipulation procedures?

Where are the [5] target specific discrimination and identification procedures and accompanying data?

Where are the [6] signal amplification system specifications, which are vital if the assay is to be verified by another researcher?

Where is the [7] qualitative analysis, which accompanies every real assay?

Where is the [8] quantitative analysis, which accompanies every real assay?

Where is the [9] semi-quantitative analysis, which accompanies every real assay?

Where is the [10] functional assay, which accompanies every real assay?

Again, you didn't produce an assay--you God damned liar. You produced a political document filled with unsubstantiated troofer propaganda.

Now either produce the assay or admit that you're a lying sack of shit who misrepresents his alleged "sources."

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

Now squeal, lie and bury your latest humiliating defeat in an avalanche of dumbspam--you wretched, lying cretin.

 
At 08 April, 2012 19:57, Blogger snug.bug said...

Your pedantry is really making a fool of you, ButtGirl.

An electron microprobe is a perfectly valid tool for determining the elemental composition of a material. In this case, Dr. Jones found it to be primarily iron. If you wish to dispute these findings, take it up with Dr. Jones. I bet he can provide you with a sample and then you may run an assay to your own specification.

 
At 08 April, 2012 20:10, Blogger GuitarBill said...

As predicted, all I'll get is more dumbspam and a naked attempt to shift the burden of proof.

You didn't produce an assay--you God damned liar. You produced a political document filled with unsubstantiated troofer propaganda. A real assay would take up HUNDREDS of pages written in size 10 font. YOU CAN'T FIT A REAL ASSAY INTO 5 PowerPoint slides--period.

You're a fraud and a compulsive liar.

Again, where are the [1] pre-analytic steps, which accompany EVERY real assay?

Where are the [2] post-analytic steps, which accompany EVERY real assay?

Where are the [3] specimen handling data?

Where are the [4] Sample processing and manipulation procedures?

Where are the [5] target specific discrimination and identification procedures and accompanying data?

Where are the [6] signal amplification system specifications, which are vital if the assay is to be verified by another researcher?

Where is the [7] qualitative analysis, which accompanies every real assay?

Where is the [8] quantitative analysis, which accompanies every real assay?

Where is the [9] semi-quantitative analysis, which accompanies every real assay?

Where is the [10] functional assay, which accompanies every real assay?

Now stop the fraud and naked attempts to shift the burden of proof--you God damned liar.

You made the outrageous claims; thus, the burden of proof falls squarely on YOUR shoulders and your shoulders alone.

Now put up or shut up, cretin.

Produce a REAL assay or go peddle your idiotic Al Qaeda propaganda to the chinless cretins who frequent 911Flogger.

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 08 April, 2012 20:25, Blogger Ian said...

I see that Brian is still babbling about magic thermite elves and calling people "girls" again. Some things never change. While the rest of us move forward in our lives, Brian continue the pathetic failure that is his life by wasting every day posting spam across the internet.

 
At 08 April, 2012 21:01, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

"I was talking to John about his bogus claims."

John wasn't talking to you because you're a retard.



" And I note that of 7 incidents you cite, only one is less than 10 years old. Since the government in question was driven from power more than 10 years ago, what is your point?"

My point, you sad fascist puke, is the Taliban's crimes are well documented.

" Am I supposed to go to my local Taliban consulate and protest? Am I supposed to boycott Afghan restaurants?"

No I don't expect to stand up to actual evil. It is clear you support the Taliban's actions against women, children, homosexuals, and freedom of speech. This is the reason you make excuses for them, and defend them against liberty and justice.

You protest against the US because you know it's safe to do so. You have never taken a risk in your life. Look at the people you've victimized: Successful women, and a Hispanic hero of 9/11. You are the prototypical fascist white male. White-Makes-Right in your world view. You may pretend to be a liberal, but your words on this and every other message board reveal you to be nothing more than a Ku Klux Klansman wannabe.

So keep cashing your paychecks from the NWO.

 
At 08 April, 2012 21:31, Blogger Ian said...

You are the prototypical fascist white male. White-Makes-Right in your world view. You may pretend to be a liberal, but your words on this and every other message board reveal you to be nothing more than a Ku Klux Klansman wannabe.

Obviously. Note how the only member of the Bush Administration that Brian obsesses over is Condoleezza Rice, an African-American woman. Brian doesn't care about Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, or any of the other white men in that administration, but the black woman makes him insane.

Brian is obviously a racist, an anti-semite, and a misogynist.

 
At 08 April, 2012 21:49, Blogger snug.bug said...

ButtGirl, your pedantry is really making a fool of you.

An electron microprobe is a perfectly valid tool for determining the elemental composition of a material. In this case, Dr. Jones found it to be primarily iron. If you wish to dispute these findings, take it up with Dr. Jones. I bet he can provide you with a sample and then you may run an assay to your own specification.

 
At 08 April, 2012 22:16, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Goat fucker, I don't care about the opinion of a college dropout who lies first last and always. Put simply, no one cares what you think, Captain Crotchrot. And we're equally unimpressed by your pathetic attempts to shift the burden of proof to your detractors.

Dr. Jones, moreover, is a proven fraud. For example, his "cold fusion" research--which is nothing more than rank pseudo-science. In fact, "cold fusion" research was DE-FUNDED by Stanford University back in the mid-90s when it was proven that "cold fusion" is malarkey. Yet, that liar, "DR." Jones, continues to promote "cold fusion" (and he does so inside the political document you cite as valid "research").

I can also cite Jones' fraudulent "power production" research, in which he claims that you can design an analog circuit that produces more energy on its OUTPUT than is produced by the switching power supply on its INPUT (which laws of physics does that fantastic claim violate, Mr. Bogus "scientific reputation"? Can you tell us, dufus?). All the while Jones built inductive loops into the circuit and the digital sampling oscilloscope (DSO) probes?!?!?!?!?!?! As a result, "Dr." Jones botched the measurements!

This is the man YOU cite in your so-called "research," cretin.

Thus, your opinion is utterly worthless.

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

Again, where are the [1] pre-analytic steps, which accompany EVERY real assay?

Where are the [2] post-analytic steps, which accompany EVERY real assay?

Where are the [3] specimen handling data?

Where are the [4] Sample processing and manipulation procedures?

Where are the [5] target specific discrimination and identification procedures and accompanying data?

Where are the [6] signal amplification system specifications, which are vital if the assay is to be verified by another researcher?

Where is the [7] qualitative analysis, which accompanies every real assay?

Where is the [8] quantitative analysis, which accompanies every real assay?

Where is the [9] semi-quantitative analysis, which accompanies every real assay?

Where is the [10] functional assay, which accompanies every real assay?

Now stop the fraud and naked attempts to shift the burden of proof--you God damned liar.

You made the outrageous claims; thus, the burden of proof falls squarely on YOUR shoulders and your shoulders alone.

Now squeal, lie and attempt to shift the burden of proof while you bury your latest humiliating defeat in an avalanche of dumbspam--you cretin.

 
At 08 April, 2012 22:23, Blogger snug.bug said...

Dr. Jones says he has identified the formerly molten material from Ground Zero as iron. You can see the images from the electron microprobe here at slides 71 to 76.
http://www.scribd.com/fb-596065570/d/126315-Answers-to-911-Objections-and-Questions-Prof-Stephen-E-Jones-Pres

If you believe Dr. Jones is mistaken in his analysis, it is for you to provide evidence to support that claim.

It seems that where you went to college, they graded your papers by the pound. Too bad for you.

 
At 08 April, 2012 22:37, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Squeal, squeal, squeal.

You didn't go to college, goat fucker. So you're in no position to judge anyone. Again, no one cares about the opinion of a college dropout who lies with abandon.

You have not a shred of verifiable evidence to substantiate your "molten steel" or "molten iron" malarkey.

Nor have Dr. Jones' sketchy, incomplete, unscientific and ultimately unverifiable results been subjected to independent verification. Thus, your "evidence" is just so much hogwash.

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

In fact, you're desperate. That's why you tried to pass off a political document as an "assay."

Pathetic.

So when do you plan to produce a real assay of that blob of aluminum, paper and sundry hydrocarbons that you're trying to pass off as "molten steel," Pinocchio?

Again, where are the [1] pre-analytic steps, which accompany EVERY real assay?

Where are the [2] post-analytic steps, which accompany EVERY real assay?

Where are the [3] specimen handling data?

Where are the [4] Sample processing and manipulation procedures?

Where are the [5] target specific discrimination and identification procedures and accompanying data?

Where are the [6] signal amplification system specifications, which are vital if the assay is to be verified by another researcher?

Where is the [7] qualitative analysis, which accompanies every real assay?

Where is the [8] quantitative analysis, which accompanies every real assay?

Where is the [9] semi-quantitative analysis, which accompanies every real assay?

Where is the [10] functional assay, which accompanies every real assay?

Now stop the fraud and naked attempts to shift the burden of proof--you God damned liar.

You made the outrageous claims; thus, the burden of proof falls squarely on YOUR shoulders and your shoulders alone.

Now squeal, lie and attempt to shift the burden of proof while you bury your latest humiliating defeat in an avalanche of dumbspam--you cretin.

Once again, you FAIL, Captain Crotchrot.

 
At 08 April, 2012 22:47, Blogger GuitarBill said...

...Continued

And I asked you a direct question, cretin:

"...I can also cite Jones' fraudulent "power production" research, in which he claims that you can design an analog circuit that produces more energy on its OUTPUT than is produced by the switching power supply on its INPUT (which laws of physics does that fantastic claim violate, Mr. Bogus "scientific reputation"? Can you tell us, dufus?). All the while Jones built inductive loops into the circuit and the digital sampling oscilloscope (DSO) probes?!?!?!?!?!?! As a result, "Dr." Jones botched the measurements!"

The question is in bold font, cretin.

Now answer it.

 
At 09 April, 2012 08:43, Blogger snug.bug said...

ButtGirl, where did you get the idea that I didn't go to college?

Those who testified to molten steel include Dr. Ahmed Ghoniem, Dr. Astaneh-Asl, Dr. James Glanz, Captain Philip Ruvolo, FDNY--and many others. A 40-pound ingot of the stuff was taken. Electron micorprobe analysis by Dr. Steven Jones identifies the formerly molten stuff as primarily iron.

For you to insist on an unnecessary elaborate analysis is ignorant or dishonest or both. If you wish to dispute Dr. Jones's findings, then do an analysis yourself. You're a dry-labber living in a fantasy world, desperately discarding data that contradict your beliefs.

Dr. Jones has explained many time that his findings can not violate the laws of physics. He believes they are explained by the presence of some hidden energy source. Perhaps the explanation for his findings is as simple as some prankster beaming EMF into his circuit.

 
At 09 April, 2012 09:59, Blogger Ian said...

ButtGirl, where did you get the idea that I didn't go to college?

Well, you briefly went to college, but then failed out. You told us "I failed out of San Jose State".

And I see you're still calling people "girls".

Those who testified to molten steel include Dr. Ahmed Ghoniem, Dr. Astaneh-Asl, Dr. James Glanz, Captain Philip Ruvolo, FDNY--and many others. A 40-pound ingot of the stuff was taken. Electron micorprobe analysis by Dr. Steven Jones identifies the formerly molten stuff as primarily iron.

False. There was no molten steel at the WTC, no matter how much you repeat this dumbspam.

 
At 09 April, 2012 10:51, Blogger snug.bug said...

Skidmark, you lie and lie and lie.

 
At 09 April, 2012 11:18, Blogger GuitarBill said...

That's not an answer, goat fucker, it's an evasion.

Dr. Jones claims to have designed an "overunity" circuit. "Overunity" is pseudo-scientific claptrap for perpetual motion.

Now answer the God damned question, Mr. Bogus "scientific reputation": Which laws of physics are violated by Jones perpetual motion device?

Now stop evading the question--you fraud.

 
At 09 April, 2012 11:35, Blogger snug.bug said...

I'm not interested in overunity circuits. It has nothing to do with the fact that there's a 40-pound chunk of formerly molten iron taken from Ground Zero and the only counterargument to that fact that you can muster is the ad hominem.

 
At 09 April, 2012 11:41, Blogger GuitarBill said...

That's not an answer, goat fucker, it's an evasion.

You don't have a clue, do you, goat fucker?

Then what qualifies YOU to babble about "the laws of physics" and "the laws of thermodynamics"?

You don't know the first thing about the laws of physics. All you're capable of is parroting pseudo-scientific claptrap which you simply don't understand.

Thanks for proving, once again, that you're a charlatan and a fraud.

 
At 09 April, 2012 11:56, Blogger GuitarBill said...

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At 09 April, 2012 12:02, Blogger GuitarBill said...

And you haven't proven that Jones identified a "40-pound chunk of formerly molten iron taken from Ground Zero." All you've managed to prove is that you're a liar and a fraud who tried to pass off a political document filled with fraudulent "evidence" as an "assay."

In one instance you babble about NIST's conclusions and its alleged "violation of the laws of thermodynamics," and in the next instance you hold up the "research" promoted by a clown who violates the laws of physics with his perpetual motion (ie., "overunity") claptrap.

You're an idiot--not to mention a liar.

 
At 09 April, 2012 13:06, Blogger Ian said...

Skidmark, you lie and lie and lie.

Squeal squeal squeal!

 
At 09 April, 2012 14:02, Blogger snug.bug said...

ButtGirl, what qualifies me to comment on "the laws of physics" and "the laws of thermodynamics" is that I studied them in college.

Dr. Jones identified a 40-pound chunk of formerly molten iron taken from Ground Zero. If you think he did not, do us all a favor and prove it was something else.

 
At 09 April, 2012 14:15, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

Fat Bastard "Jon Gold" writes: I did the right thing regardless of whether or not it was a hate crime. I tried to speak out against hatred towards Muslims. Which is something every American should be doing in a country that supposedly promotes the idea that you can practice any religion you want. The fact of the matter is, hatred towards Muslims in this country has increased exponentially since 9/11 (something I pointed out in the first video I posted about Shaima Alawadi). I tried, and have tried to do something about it. Unlike everyone that frequents this site.

What you did was a hate crime anyways Jon. You say that you don't put the blame on the Muslims but yet you talk about them behind their back. Backstabbing SOB! No, the hatred of Muslims is caused by people like you who make them a target because you have nothing better in your life to do than to handcuff your fat ass to Federal Property, get arrested by the Secret Service, and then make a retarded sign targeting Muslims. You haven't tried anything you fat fuck. All you can do in your pathetic life is act like a douche bag and make it appear that people need to show pity on you. Tell you what Jon, you can make a difference if you get your lazy ass off of welfare and SSI and get a REAL JOB.

 
At 09 April, 2012 14:20, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Captain Crotchrot lies, "...what qualifies me to comment on 'the laws of physics' and 'the laws of thermodynamics' is that I studied them in college."

No, you didn't study the laws of physics "in college." And we know this because you can't answer my question. In fact, you didn't study at all. You flunked out of junior college--which proves that you're incompetent. Tell us more about your F in Econ, scumbag. If you can't pass a simple course in Economics, you don't have a snowball's chance in Hell of passing physics.

So I'll ask you again, asshole: Which laws of physics are violated by Jones perpetual motion device?

Captain Crotchrot squeals, "...Dr. Jones identified a 40-pound chunk of formerly molten iron taken from Ground Zero. If you think he did not, do us all a favor and prove it was something else."

Trying to shift the burden of proof again, scumbag?

You haven't proven anything. You cite a crackpot (Dr. Jones) whose "research" has NEVER been independently verified.

Should we expect less from a college dropout who babbles about the "laws of physics" and, in the same breath, cites a crackpot (Dr. Jones) whose "research" violates the same laws of physics?

FACT: You're a shameless liar and a cretin.

Now answer the question, asshat: Which laws of physics are violated by Jones perpetual motion device?

 
At 09 April, 2012 14:30, Blogger Ian said...

ButtGirl, what qualifies me to comment on "the laws of physics" and "the laws of thermodynamics" is that I studied them in college.

Well, this would explain why you failed out of San Jose State, since you obviously know nothing about physics or thermodynamics, and thus must have flunked all your exams, probably after you did massive amounts of drugs which damaged your brain and left you the pathetic liar who calls people "girls" that you are today.

Dr. Jones identified a 40-pound chunk of formerly molten iron taken from Ground Zero. If you think he did not, do us all a favor and prove it was something else.

That's not how it works, Brian. Dr. Jones has to prove that he has formerly molten iron. We don't have to prove that he doesn't, no matter how much you squeal about it.

 
At 09 April, 2012 14:37, Blogger snug.bug said...

ButtGirl, I studied the laws of physics in college. Your belief that I can't answer your question is delusional as is your belief that I flunked out of junior college, and your belief that I can't pass Econ.

Dr. Jones doesn't have a perpetual motion device, so your question is meaningless.

Skidmark, your beliefs that I failed out of San Jose State, that I know nothing about physics or thermodynamics, that flunked all my exams, and that I did massive amounts of drugs are all delusional.

Dr. Jones has proven he has a 40-pound chunk of formerly molten iron taken from Ground Zero. If you think he did not, it is up to you to prove he was wrong.

 
At 09 April, 2012 14:41, Blogger Ian said...

Skidmark, your beliefs that I failed out of San Jose State, that I know nothing about physics or thermodynamics, that flunked all my exams, and that I did massive amounts of drugs are all delusional.

Squeal squeal squeal!

Poor Brian, I've humiliated him again.

Dr. Jones has proven he has a 40-pound chunk of formerly molten iron taken from Ground Zero. If you think he did not, it is up to you to prove he was wrong.

False. I don't have to prove anything. I can just keep mocking you for being a mentally ill unemployed janitor who believes in magic thermite elves.

Nobody cares about Steven Jones.

 
At 09 April, 2012 14:42, Blogger GuitarBill said...

That's not an answer, asshat, it's an evasion.

Any circuit or device that produces more energy on its OUTPUT than its INPUT is, by definition, a perpetual motion device.

Now answer the question, scumbag: Which laws of physics are violated by Jones perpetual motion device?

 
At 09 April, 2012 15:05, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Captain Crotchrot lies, "...Dr. Jones doesn't have a perpetual motion device, so your question is meaningless."

Really, asshat? No kidding?

What's this, scumbag?

"...The Simple Magnetic Overunity Toy (SMOT) is 1985 invention by Greg Watson from Australia that claims to show 'over-unity' energy — a route to purported perpetual motion...Perpetual Motion (Overunity) has not been achieved with a SMOT. While it has been demonstrated that the ball can be cycled from the starting point of one SMOT to the starting point of a second SMOT (and third and fourth)[2] nobody has yet cycled the ball back to the first SMOT, which would be necessary for the system to run continuously (at least, until the ball or track wore out or the magnets become too weak to overcome friction)." -- Wikipedia, Simple Magnetic Overunity Toy.

NOTE: See the ScrewLooseChange post titled Jones' Overunity Device .

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

Now answer the question, scumbag: Which laws of physics are violated by Jones' perpetual motion device?

 
At 09 April, 2012 15:26, Blogger snug.bug said...

ButtGirl, since Dr. Jones doesn't have a perpetual machine and he doesn't claim that he does, your deceptive and dishonest question is meaningless.

You're changing the subject. He has proven the existence of a forty-pound sample of formerly molten iron from the WTC, and if you want to show that he's wrong you have to prove it.

 
At 09 April, 2012 15:35, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Captain Crotchrot lies, "...since Dr. Jones doesn't have a perpetual machine and he doesn't claim that he does, your deceptive and dishonest question is meaningless."

False.

What's this, goat fucker?

Source: YouTube: Physicist Steven E. Jones Shows 8x overunity circuit, Part I.

Source: YouTube: Physicist Steven E. Jones Shows 8x overunity circuit, Part II.

Thus, everyone can see that you're lying.

Now stop the evasive lies and answer the question, scumbag: Which laws of physics are violated by Jones' perpetual motion device?

The goat fucker lies, "...You're changing the subject. He has proven the existence of a forty-pound sample of formerly molten iron from the WTC, and if you want to show that he's wrong you have to prove it."

Bullshit!

You haven't proven anything. You cite a crackpot (Dr. Jones) whose "research" has NEVER been independently verified.

Should we expect less from a college dropout who babbles about the "laws of physics" and, in the same breath, cites a crackpot (Dr. Jones) whose "research" violates the same laws of physics?

Now stop the evasive lies and answer the question, scumbag: Which laws of physics are violated by Jones' perpetual motion device?

 
At 09 April, 2012 15:42, Blogger snug.bug said...

Dr. Jones has explained that his machine is not a perpetual motion machine, and your claims otherwise are a lie.

Dr. Jones has proven the existence of a forty-pound sample of formerly molten iron from the WTC. He has shown a photograph of the sample, and screencaps of the electron microprobe analysis.

Until you analyze a sample of Dr. Jones's material and find it to be something other than iron, his claims stand.

 
At 09 April, 2012 15:47, Blogger GuitarBill said...

False.

I just gave you DIRECT LINKS to Jones' own videos wherein he defines his circuit as an overunity circuit:

Source: YouTube: Physicist Steven E. Jones Shows 8x overunity circuit, Part I.

Source: YouTube: Physicist Steven E. Jones Shows 8x overunity circuit, Part II.

Overunity is defined as "perpetual motion.

And yet another source: Overunity is defined as perpetual motion.

Now stop the evasive lies and answer the question, scumbag: Which laws of physics are violated by Jones' perpetual motion device?

 
At 09 April, 2012 15:57, Blogger snug.bug said...

Dr. Jones has stated that his device is not a perpetual motion device.

You continue to try to distract from the fact that Dr. Jones has proven the existence of a forty-pound sample of formerly molten iron from the WTC. He has shown a photograph of the sample, and screencaps of the electron microprobe analysis.

Until you analyze a sample of Dr. Jones's material and find it to be something other than iron, his claims stand.

 
At 09 April, 2012 16:08, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker lies, "...Dr. Jones has stated that his device is not a perpetual motion device."

False. He stated no such thing, and you can't substantiate that assertion.

An overunity device is defined as a perpetual motion machine--and it doesn't matter whether the device is mechanical or electrical.

FACT: Overunity is defined as "perpetual motion.

And yet another source: Overunity is defined as perpetual motion.

Source: YouTube: Physicist Steven E. Jones Shows 8x overunity circuit, Part I.

Source: YouTube: Physicist Steven E. Jones Shows 8x overunity circuit, Part II.

As usual, I provide unimpeachable sources and all you provide in return is your worthless, lying, 100% fact-free opinion.

Now stop the evasive lies and answer the question, scumbag: Which laws of physics are violated by Jones' perpetual motion device?

 
At 09 April, 2012 16:08, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

Dr. Jones has proven the existence of a forty-pound sample of formerly molten iron from the WTC.....

Funny how Dr. Jones hasn't fully examined nor sent this sample to be analyzed by real scientists.

So, what's your excuse why he hasn't done that?

 
At 09 April, 2012 16:15, Blogger GuitarBill said...

TAW wrote, "...Funny how Dr. Jones hasn't fully examined nor sent this sample to be analyzed by real scientists."

You're absolutely right, TAW.

Real scientists INSIST that their results be subjected to independent verification.

Pseudo-scientists, like "Dr." Jones, avoid independent verification like the plague.

This is how you'll know that Jones is a fraud.

And the goat fucker is too stupid and dishonest to recognize the difference.

 
At 09 April, 2012 16:31, Blogger J Rebori said...

Where is the evidence proving that this purported 40 lb lump of whatever actually came from the WTC site?

And the word of a person who claims to have also found evidence that Christ visited the Mayans can't be taken at face value as proof of anything. I'm looking for a basic chain of custody as any scientist or investigator would make a point of maintaining.

 
At 09 April, 2012 16:42, Blogger TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...

Is there any proof that Christ was crucified on the cross?

Brian, don't you have the evidence he was or don't you?

 
At 09 April, 2012 16:59, Blogger Ian said...

It's funny how Jones' claim is not getting the attention of other scientists. Only a mentally ill unemployed janitor who failed out of San Jose State seems to care.

 
At 09 April, 2012 17:01, Blogger GuitarBill said...

J. Rebori wrote, "...I'm looking for a basic chain of custody as any scientist or investigator would make a point of maintaining."

That's correct.

That's why I pointed out that Dr. Jones has never performed and assay.

All real assays contain specimen handling data, as I pointed out above.

So I'll ask you again, goat fucker: Where are the [1] pre-analytic steps, which accompany EVERY real assay?

Where are the [2] post-analytic steps, which accompany EVERY real assay?

Where are the [3] specimen handling data?

Where are the [4] Sample processing and manipulation procedures?

Where are the [5] target specific discrimination and identification procedures and accompanying data?

Where are the [6] signal amplification system specifications, which are vital if the assay is to be verified by another researcher?

Where is the [7] qualitative analysis, which accompanies every real assay?

Where is the [8] quantitative analysis, which accompanies every real assay?

Where is the [9] semi-quantitative analysis, which accompanies every real assay?

Where is the [10] functional assay, which accompanies every real assay?

And you won't answer the question for two reasons: [1] You're a liar who tried to misrepresent a political document as an assay; and [2] you wouldn't recognize a real assay if it jumped up and bit you on your filthy, unwashed ass.

 
At 09 April, 2012 17:08, Blogger snug.bug said...

So Buttgirl, how do you know that Dr. Jones hasn't had his samples tested by an independent lab? Do you really think that it's that difficult to identify a chunk of iron?

JR, the evidence that this purported 40 lb lump of whatever actually came from the WTC site is that Dr. Jones says so. Prove him wrong and be a hero.

 
At 09 April, 2012 17:18, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Captain Crotchrot lies, "...how do you know that Dr. Jones hasn't had his samples tested by an independent lab? Do you really think that it's that difficult to identify a chunk of iron?"

Trying to shift the burden of proof again, scumbag?

If the results were indeed "tested by an independent lab," then provide the evidence, or STFU.

And when you're finished falling flat on your ferret face, answer the God damned question, scumbag:

Which laws of physics are violated by Jones' perpetual motion device?

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 09 April, 2012 17:21, Blogger Ian said...

JR, the evidence that this purported 40 lb lump of whatever actually came from the WTC site is that Dr. Jones says so. Prove him wrong and be a hero.

Nobody cares what Dr. Jones claims except you, and you're a mentally ill unemployed janitor.

Given that nobody in the scientific community questions the theories of 9/11, you're going to have to present evidence to the contrary, Brian. It's not our responsibility to debunk the claims of lunatics and charlatans.

 
At 09 April, 2012 17:26, Blogger snug.bug said...

ButtGirl, since you are the one claiming that Dr. Jones has not verified his findings in an independent lab, it is for you to prove that is the case.

Here is where Dr. Jones explains that his over-unity device is not a perpetual motion machine.

http://911blogger.com/news/2011-04-18/experimental-science-rescue-911-cold-fusion-now-alt-energy#comment-249853

 
At 09 April, 2012 17:30, Blogger Ian said...

ButtGirl, since you are the one claiming that Dr. Jones has not verified his findings in an independent lab, it is for you to prove that is the case.

Wrong, Brian. Maybe if you hadn't spent your semester at San Jose State getting high on glue and LSD, you might have learned how science works.

As it stands, nobody cares what you understand since you're a failed janitor who babbles about modified attack baboons.

 
At 09 April, 2012 17:34, Blogger snug.bug said...

Skidmark, if you actually had an argument you would not find it necessary to resort to lies.

 
At 09 April, 2012 17:36, Blogger J Rebori said...

I know the general rules of actually how to prove things are beyond you, Brian. But it isn't my obligation to prove that the lump came from the WTC site. It's Jones' obligation. He made the claim.

Where's the evidence?

You wust have seen that evidence, surely you are too smart to simply assume an otherwise unremarkable lump of metal most have come from anyplace in particular without evidence of that claim, right Brian?

 
At 09 April, 2012 18:25, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker squeals, "...Here is where Dr. Jones explains that his over-unity device is not a perpetual motion machine."

More bunk, goat fucker?

Here's what Dr. Jones wrote:

"...I've thought of an analogy to help explain why such a device would NOT be -- as I have repeatedly said -- a "perpetual motion" machine as some here have erroneously posited. Think of an electric-power generator that has an electrical starter. This has more electrical power OUT than IN, and so is "overunity" as I defined it above."

His analogy, however, is FALSE.

Perpetual motion--overunity--is defined as follows:

1. Also called perpetual motion of the first kind motion of a hypothetical mechanism that continues indefinitely without any external source of energy. It is impossible in practice because of friction -- Overunity.

An electric power generator operates on AN EXTERNAL SOURCE OF ENERGY. Thus, an electric power generator is NOT an "overunity" device.

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 09 April, 2012 18:35, Blogger GuitarBill said...

NOTE:

The idiot who masquerades as a "professor of physics" built an analog circuit on a digital patch board. That's a big no-no as any competent EE will tell you.

The first rule of breadboarding an analog circuit is to reduce all stray inductance and capacitance to a minimum, which is not possible--and is in fact maximized--using a digital patch board.

If Jones used a fiberglass breadboard clad on one side with a solid-copper ground plane and reduced all resister, transistor, oscilloscope probe, capacitor and toroid lead lengths to an absolute minimum his observed "over unity" phenomenon would vaporize before his incompetent eyes. (E.g., soldering all electrical component ground leads directly to the solid-copper ground plane is essential; however, you can see that Jones paid no attention to the fundamentals of analog breadboard layout).

As I pointed out above, Jones built inductive loops into the circuit and the digital sampling oscilloscope (DSO) probes?!?!?!?!?!?! As a result, "Dr." Jones botched the measurements!

So I'll ask you again, goat fucker: Which laws of physics are violated by Jones' perpetual motion device?

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 09 April, 2012 18:40, Blogger snug.bug said...

JR, you'll have to ask Dr. Jones for the evidence. Like I said--prove he's lying and be a hero. Knock yourself out, Sherlock.

ButtGirl, your definition only proves that Dr. Jones's machine is not a perpetual motion machine.

Some day you're going to recognize that the more words you use, the more you make a fool of yourself.

 
At 09 April, 2012 18:41, Blogger GuitarBill said...

And don't give any crap about "Dr, Jones said this or Dr. Jones said that..."

Jones himself labeled his botched experiment an "overunity device."

Now, either he doesn't understand the concept, which is VERY likely, or he's yanking our collective crank. Either way, he's full of crap.

End of story.

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 09 April, 2012 18:44, Blogger snug.bug said...

You don't give a crap about a lot of stuff--like that Dirty Sanchez on your lip. So what?

 
At 09 April, 2012 18:45, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker lies, "...your definition only proves that Dr. Jones's machine is not a perpetual motion machine."

If that's true (and it's not), you've provided not a scintilla of evidence to substantiate your assertion.

When will you learn, goat fucker? I don't care about the opinion of a college dropout who's a proven compulsive liar. Get it through your thick skull, ass.

So I'll ask you again, goat fucker: Which laws of physics are violated by Jones' perpetual motion device?

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 09 April, 2012 18:51, Blogger snug.bug said...

Since Dr. Jones does not have a perpetual motion machine and does not claim that he does, your question is simply perpetual uselessness, ButtGoo.

 
At 09 April, 2012 19:00, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Yes, he does claim to have a perpetual motion machine.

And his false analogies, which I documented above, aren't evidence.

Only a crackpot would try to claim that you can get more energy out of a closed system than he has put in.

Thus, his experiment, whether he acknowledges it or not, is an exercise in pseudo-science, aka, perpetual motion.

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

So I'll ask you again, goat fucker: Which laws of physics are violated by Jones' perpetual motion device?

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 09 April, 2012 19:07, Blogger J Rebori said...

But Jones does claim his rock came from the WTC, yet even you haven't seen any proof it came from anyplace but a convenient slag heap at some handy smelter's.

Good to know you have such low standards of proof.

And again, cause maybe it will finally sink in, it is Jones' obligation to show the provenance of his material, not ours to go begging him for a glmipse of it. Until he releases it, he has proven nothing.

 
At 09 April, 2012 19:09, Blogger snug.bug said...

You're lying ButtGoo. But why should today be any different than all the other days?

Dr. Jones specifically explained that he does not have a perpetual motion machine here:
http://911blogger.com/news/2011-04-18/experimental-science-rescue-911-cold-fusion-now-alt-energy#comment-249853

You're a perpetual foolishness machine.

 
At 09 April, 2012 19:12, Blogger GuitarBill said...

"...This has more electrical power OUT than IN, and so is 'overunity' as I defined it above." -- Dr. Steven Jones

So what part of that false analogy do you fail to understand, cretin?

So I'll ask you again, goat fucker: Which laws of physics are violated by Jones' perpetual motion device?

 
At 09 April, 2012 19:17, Blogger GuitarBill said...

So why does Dr. Jones claim that his circuit produces "as high as 20 times overunity"?

So he claims his device isn't poverunity while claiming that his circuit produces "as high as 20 times overunity"?

And you don't see the contradiction--you idiot?

So I'll ask you again, scumbag: Which laws of physics are violated by Jones' perpetual motion device?

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 09 April, 2012 19:20, Blogger snug.bug said...

None. You are being willfully obtuse. Dr. Jones explained it perfectly clearly.

 
At 09 April, 2012 19:29, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Wrong again, goat fucker.

Jones' explanation is contradictory on its face.

It's illogical and dishonest to claim that a circuit produces "as high as 20 times overunity," while, in the next breath, he claims that his circuit is "not overunity."

That's doubletalk--and you're too stupid and dishonest to acknowledge the truth.

So I'll ask you again, scumbag: Which laws of physics are violated by Jones' perpetual motion device?

Once again, you FAIL, goat fucker.

 
At 09 April, 2012 19:34, Blogger Ian said...

JR, you'll have to ask Dr. Jones for the evidence. Like I said--prove he's lying and be a hero. Knock yourself out, Sherlock.

As expected, a humiliated Brian runs away squealing and crying when challenged to produce evidence of his delusions.

 
At 09 April, 2012 21:19, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 09 April, 2012 21:20, Blogger snug.bug said...

ButtGale, you're just quote-mining. If you would bother to investigate, you'd see that Dr. Jones defines "overunity" differently than you do. His definition is "Getting more electrical power out than one puts in to initiate things." By this definition if one used electric-powered machinery to mine coal, then burned the coal to make steam to generate electricity, then one has an "over-unity device".

As usual, Skidmark just lies and lies.

 
At 09 April, 2012 21:22, Blogger Ian said...

As usual, Brian has nothing but dumbspam to try to cover up that fact that he has been humiliated again.

 

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