Sunday, April 22, 2012

Some Real Hilarity...

In this very long thread over at Troof Action.  It starts with Ronnie Bushnell:

I’m not sure I understand correctly the problem some of the people on this forum are having with CD (controlled demolition}. I wish someone would volunteer to explain it to me. Either I don’t understand what I’m looking at in the videos of the WTC being ripped apart by explosions or I’m just plain stupid, which I guess is not an entirely an unlikely possibility.
Heh, you can say that again.  Ronnie for the most part has confined himself to one thread over at TA, and it's a doozy.  It just goes on and on for 25 pages, and after the first page or two, I'd guess that 95% of the posts are from Ronnie himself.

But he has a question for the TA folks:
If there is some doubt about CD (not music), then that seems to me to indicate that someone may have made all this crap up. Is Richard Gage lying? Is Dr. Jones lying? Does it mean that they all lied about the supper nano thermite being found in the dust? If they did, we are all in deep, deep, deep, deep, deep dodo, and I personally don’t care to be in any kind of dodo.
 Well, the good news is that the dodo has been extinct for centuries, so I don't think you have to worry about it.  The bad news?  Brian tried to reassure Ronnie about Box Boy Gage and Mr Perpetual Motion.  Regarding Gage:

He has an unfortunate tendency to play to his conspiracist fan-base, and certainly he is wrong at times (as we all are), but I don't think he lies.

I've always been skeptical of the nanothermite claims and I felt that the Jones team did not take sufficient pains to distinguish their chips from ordinary paint, but though Dr. Jones may prove to have been wrong I see no reason to think he was lying. The kind of public adulation Dr. Jones got from his admirers when he first started lecturing on 9/11 is very bad for a scientist's objectivity.
 Brian's always been skeptical of the nanothermite claims? And as for the question of whether Gage lies, Oystein points out the ridiculous dissembling that he did about the results of the Millette study, when he failed to mention that it proved that there was no nanothermite in the WTC dust.

AE911T is at least mistaken, if not adding a second lie, when they imply with the expression "the primer paint used on the WTC steel" that there was only one such formula. There wasn't just one. There were at least two, and neither Millette nor Harrit e.al. have ever test any of the other WTC primers, and thus ruling out the chips are WTC primer has been fallacious.
 Anyway, the thread goes on for pages and pages, and eventually a Truther named Kat Dorman comes along and starts cleaning Petgoat's clock:

The first is that steel columns failing in axial compression afford the same resistance (capacity) over the entire range of compaction travel as they do over the linear response range. They do not. A rough rule of thumb is an average capacity of 10-15% of peak capacity. If a column has a maximum capacity of three times the imposed load, it then would have an average capacity of 0.30 - 0.45x the load. Thus a load which already possesses sufficient momentum to overcome the peak capacity will experience a large drop in resistive force as that peak is passed, with the average resistive force giving a resulting average acceleration over the interval of between 0.55 and 0.7g.

Pretty much what was measured for the early descent of WTC1!

But that's only the early descent... and that's all Chandler measured. Other higher resolution measurements extending slightly further indicated a rapid decrease of acceleration magnitude immediately after that period, and later measurements of the WTC1 leading ejection front showed minor variation about a quasi-terminal velocity. Extrapolating a constant velocity from the measured region to ground level gives a collapse time of between 14 and 15 seconds. Therefore, there is strong reason to believe the overall collapse dynamics converged rapidly on dynamic equilibrium of the opposing forces and so zero acceleration.

The second misconception is that the capacity derived from perfect axial alignment is available during collapse. The statements above concerning the load displacement relation for steel columns in axial compression apply to the ideal case of perfect end alignment. The capacity of a column is proportional to its cross sectional area. Lateral displacement of the upper block in the amount of only a few inches will in itself reduce capacity to a fraction of design maximum.

While Kat is a Truther he or she does not believe in Controlled Demolition, and obviously is orders of magnitude smarter than Brian, but of course Brian cannot admit this and so he starts engaging in the sort of hostile behavior that Carol Brouillet and Willie Rodriguez can recall.  But what's really funny is that Brian thinks he's winning the argument (and yes, somebody quickly mentions the Dunning-Kruger effect, where the more incompetent a person is, the more competent they think they are).  It just goes on and on from there, and Brian starts pissing off the rest of the TA gang, particularly Snowcrash:

You're one miserable troll Brian.

You are STILL pimping that "circular argument" reproach while it has been debunked pages ago. A domino falls because a domino falls. Is that a circular argument? No, it isn't. Of course not. It's a simple cause and effect chain where each element is physically and positionally distinct from the element causing its demise. You pretend you haven't read or haven't been made aware of this rebuttal of your ridiculous fallacy allegation, because you mean to irritate. Because you're butthurt. Because this is your disruption strategy, because you're so "polite". How utterly pathetic. You're not polite, you're a cunning troll who has optimized his survival tactics.

You've been repeatedly asked to back up your ignorant assertions and the AE911Truth talking points you parrot. You simply don't. You think you'll be just fine trolling. I asked a couple of additional questions two times now and you've ignored them too. You claim not to believe CD but you've made a laundry list of declarative statements which match the description of a Controlled Demolition believer to a T. Your sole reason for non-committal is plausible deniability should any of your spurious claims be proven unequivocally false, but you might as well let go of that tactic, because, as you've demonstrated in this thread, you'd lie about visual observations even as they stand facing you when you quote them in reply. A shameless liar of your caliber needs no additional insurance policies.
 Very entertaining.

265 Comments:

At 22 April, 2012 23:50, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker? A "shameless liar" and a "troll"?

No kidding?

:^)

 
At 23 April, 2012 04:14, Blogger Oystein said...

"Kat Dorman" is identical to "OneWhiteEye" at the911forum (http://the911forum.freeforums.org/index.php), where he is a moderator. And yes, a very sharp guy. He only suffers from that ur-delusion of all twoofers: That somehow the conclusion of "official story wrong, someone else must be guilty / inside job" is obvious and true, and all that's missing is the alternative story and evidence for it.

Same thread earned me threats of banning by a blind-with-drivel SnowCrash (page 4), which were swiftly acted upon.

 
At 23 April, 2012 09:12, Blogger John said...

Good Lord, let's hope Mr. Bushnell doesn't start posting here! Or at the very least has found gainful employment.

 
At 23 April, 2012 09:12, Blogger John said...

Pat, what makes you think Brian posts under the handle Brian Good at Truth Action? You make stuff up.

 
At 23 April, 2012 15:25, Blogger Ian said...

Hmm, I wonder where Brian has been all day?

 
At 23 April, 2012 16:48, Blogger Billman said...

Pat, what makes you think Brian posts under the handle Brian Good at Truth Action? You make stuff up.

Well for one thing, whenever Brain is mention as having posted anywhere else, he often shows up here with a new sock puppet to ask the exact same quesion...

/as if anyone else besides Brian really cares if Brian is posting under such and such handle anyway.

 
At 23 April, 2012 21:55, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

This documentary aired in the UK this past weekend (thanks Walter Ego: http://911vids.blogspot.com/2012/04/911-lost-tapes.html)

Direct Youtube Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XG8syXIql9M&list=PLD370EA3F83ADB336#!

It's the air traffic control tapes from 9/11 done by Channel 4. Good stuff,most already known or referred to in print but never aired.

 
At 24 April, 2012 08:38, Blogger snug.bug said...

"Kat Dorman" has the GutterBall disease: he thinks he gets paid by the ton.

 
At 24 April, 2012 09:18, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Well, if it isn't SLC's resident "shameless liar" and "miserable troll."

Have you made any death threats lately, Prince Charming?

 
At 24 April, 2012 09:58, Blogger snug.bug said...

Are you claiming that I made death threats, GutterBall? Who is your legal counsel, by the way? I'd like to send him or her a letter.

 
At 24 April, 2012 10:45, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Yawn. So now you've graduated from threatening a harmless women with lethal force to cyber-bullying, Prince Charming? I'm shakin' in my boots.

Well, now you can add "covers the spectrum of deviant behavior" to your [cough] "resume."

And no, I'm not "claiming" anything, scumbag. I'm merely repeating Carol Brouillet's allegations. So why don't you take your empty threats of legal retaliation to the person who actually made the allegations?

Oh, that's right! You don't have a leg to stand on in court. After all, you're well aware that Carol's husband will confirm her allegations.

It sucks to be you, goat fucker.

 
At 24 April, 2012 10:49, Blogger Billman said...

Are you claiming that I made death threats, GutterBall? Who is your legal counsel, by the way? I'd like to send him or her a letter.

You can't sue someone on a message board, Brian.

But you CAN fill out one of these:

Butthurt Report Form

 
At 24 April, 2012 12:36, Blogger snug.bug said...

You are not reporting anything, GutterBall. You are lying. You are libeling me. If you think the law allows you to do that, you'd better ask your lawyer.

 
At 24 April, 2012 12:49, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

You are not reporting anything, GutterBall. You are lying. You are libeling me. If you think the law allows you to do that, you'd better ask your lawyer.

Pretty sure you need to show both malice and damage to reputation for a libel action to succeed in California. But by all means, talk to an attorney and find out your rights.

 
At 24 April, 2012 12:51, Blogger GuitarBill said...

I'm lying?

You wouldn't make 100% fact-free allegations without the benefit of evidence, would you, goat fucker?

Prove it.

Is that simple enough for you, Prince Charming?

Otherwise, refer the issue to Ms. Brouillet's legal representative. After all, your threats of impending vexatious litigation are as empty as they are meaningless.

 
At 24 April, 2012 13:04, Blogger Billman said...

I can see Brian's prosecution now: "I will neither confirm or deny the evidence against GuitarBill to the girls of the jury. I won't do your homework for you, judge."

 
At 24 April, 2012 13:06, Blogger Billman said...

That is of course, after he's spent most of the trial claiming he isn't the snug.bug on ScrewLooseChange.Blogspot.com, and askign the judge what makes him think he is in fact Brian Good.

 
At 24 April, 2012 13:08, Blogger Billman said...

And Bill, I'm sure you can easily get Willie Rodriguez to testify on your behalf.

 
At 24 April, 2012 13:14, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Not to worry, Bill. I'm not at all concerned by Captain Crotchrot's empty threats.

 
At 24 April, 2012 13:15, Blogger Ian said...

You are not reporting anything, GutterBall. You are lying. You are libeling me. If you think the law allows you to do that, you'd better ask your lawyer.

It's not libel if it's true, Brian. That's why you just squeal and cry every time I point out that you're a mentally ill unemployed janitor who failed out of San Jose State. You know I'm right.

 
At 24 April, 2012 13:17, Blogger Billman said...

No concern was meant to be implied. I just reallllly want to see him follow through on his litigation threat, because that would a court hearing to bring popcorn to.

 
At 24 April, 2012 13:32, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

I just reallllly want to see him follow through on his litigation threat, because that would a court hearing to bring popcorn to.

Me too. Complaints filed by people with mental problems are often very funny.

Interesting that he so adamantly denies making death threats, but remains silent when accused of stalking, transvestism, goat-loving, etc.

 
At 24 April, 2012 13:36, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 24 April, 2012 13:48, Blogger snug.bug said...

RGT, potential employers or the nosy fathers of girlfriends are likely to regard accusations of stalking, transvestism, goat-loving, etc. as merely normal jocular give-and-take on the internet. The untrue accusation of death threats involves an allegation of specific criminal activity that must be taken seriously--for instance by potential employers. It is libelous. GuitarBill has long demonstrated his malice toward me in repeatedly makinfg false claims about me, and his motivation for malice is clear: I have repeatedly humiliated him on this board by pointing out the incompetence of his research.

 
At 24 April, 2012 13:50, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

The untrue accusation of death threats is a specific accusation of criminal activity that must be taken seriously--for instance by potential employers.

Stalking and bestiality are also crimes. Why single out death threats?

 
At 24 April, 2012 13:57, Blogger snug.bug said...

"Stalker" and "Goat-fucker" in the absence of specific allegations are just insults. Guitar Bill seems to be claiming specific crimes took place. Death threats indicate reckless malice that is out of control, and the allegations should concern potential employers and the nosy fathers of my woman friends.

 
At 24 April, 2012 13:58, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

call me Guitarbill, I will be your star witness against the asshole (not libel, but true) Brian Good, his actions and his targets.

 
At 24 April, 2012 13:59, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 24 April, 2012 14:03, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 24 April, 2012 14:04, Blogger snug.bug said...

I never lied about you, Willie. How's Elvis?

 
At 24 April, 2012 14:08, Blogger Billman said...

. GuitarBill has long demonstrated his malice toward me in repeatedly makinfg false claims about me, and his motivation for malice is clear: I have repeatedly humiliated him on this board by pointing out the incompetence of his research

So, then you're admitting you have already satisfactorily responded against any "damage" GuitarBill may have done to your image.

Therefore you have no case.

 
At 24 April, 2012 14:13, Blogger Billman said...

Guitar Bill seems to be claiming specific crimes took place. Death threats indicate reckless malice that is out of control, and the allegations should concern potential employers and the nosy fathers of my woman friends.

Since these incidents took place here on this blog, you'd have to prove that GuitarBill's statements have somehow managed to LOWER the opinions that people coming to this blog already had of you.

And you'd need to present proof that potential employers are seeking you out on this blog, as well as nosy fathers and any missed opportunities for relationships that were hampered directly by GuitarBill calling you a "Goat Fucker."

 
At 24 April, 2012 14:14, Blogger snug.bug said...

No. Guitar Bill humiliated himself. All I did was point that out. I have not responded to his clearly malicious libel against me except to request that he identify his attorney.

 
At 24 April, 2012 14:16, Blogger Billman said...

I have not responded to his clearly malicious libel against me except to request that he identify his attorney.

But what damage has this alleged libel actually done to you?

 
At 24 April, 2012 14:17, Blogger snug.bug said...

Billman, you are challenged even on a factual level. When the allegations turn up on Google, they are available to far more people than the idiots who visit this blog.

 
At 24 April, 2012 14:18, Blogger snug.bug said...

The libel damages me if it's available on the internet and if people are influenced by it.

 
At 24 April, 2012 14:18, Blogger Billman said...

No. Guitar Bill humiliated himself

follows:

I have repeatedly humiliated him

Which is it, Brian? Because a case could now be made that you are inconsitant with your claims.

 
At 24 April, 2012 14:18, Blogger Ian said...

Since these incidents took place here on this blog, you'd have to prove that GuitarBill's statements have somehow managed to LOWER the opinions that people coming to this blog already had of you.

I, for one, couldn't possibly have a lower opinion of Brian. As I've said before, if the US government wanted to plant moles in the truth movement to discredit it, they could not possibly do better than Brian.

And you'd need to present proof that potential employers are seeking you out on this blog, as well as nosy fathers and any missed opportunities for relationships that were hampered directly by GuitarBill calling you a "Goat Fucker."

Brian's just babbling insanely here. Everyone knows he has no friends, and can't get within 50 feet of a women without the pepper spray coming out. Also, I doubt any potential employers are interested in someone who lacks the mental capacity to mop floors.

 
At 24 April, 2012 14:19, Blogger Billman said...

The libel damages me if it's available on the internet and if people are influenced by it.

Ok, point out anyone who comes to this blog (or even reads the results of a google search) that has been influenced in their opinion of you by something GuitarBill has said.

 
At 24 April, 2012 14:19, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

Hey Bitch, why don't you identify your attorney instead? Elvis is my dog and doing good, it also explains your obessesion with bestiality. How is Janice anyway?

 
At 24 April, 2012 14:21, Blogger Billman said...

When the allegations turn up on Google, they are available to far more people than the idiots who visit this blog.

So, what is going to keep anyone who has posted in this thread from filing a countersuit on the libel you just created by calling everyone (and ironically, also those you would claim to be "influenced") an "idiot" just now?

 
At 24 April, 2012 14:23, Blogger Billman said...

I, for one, couldn't possibly have a lower opinion of Brian. As I've said before, if the US government wanted to plant moles in the truth movement to discredit it, they could not possibly do better than Brian.

Thanks for directly proving my point.

 
At 24 April, 2012 14:23, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

Guitar Bill seems to be claiming specific crimes took place.

Where? I only see him asking whether you've made any death threats lately. That's not claiming anything.

 
At 24 April, 2012 14:29, Blogger snug.bug said...

Your continued habitation of a non-factual universe is noted. Guitar Bill wrote: that I had graduated from "threatening a harmless women with lethal force." He then falsely claimed that he was "repeating Carol Brouillet's allegations." This was a lie.

 
At 24 April, 2012 14:31, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

Hey Brian, have you called Carol's husband lately?

 
At 24 April, 2012 14:36, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

Guitar Bill wrote: that I had graduated from "threatening a harmless women with lethal force."

No. He again merely asked if you had.

You still haven't denied doing so, by the way.

 
At 24 April, 2012 14:59, Blogger snug.bug said...

RGT, you continue to be factually incorrect. He wrote that I had graduated from "threatening a harmless women with lethal force."

 
At 24 April, 2012 15:09, Blogger snug.bug said...

It is noted that the kneejerk reaction of these blog posters is to say things that are not true.

 
At 24 April, 2012 15:16, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

Brian Good wrote: It is noted that the kneejerk reaction of these blog posters is to say things that are not true.
Really? which part? that you are an asshole? or a potential criminal? I believe both are true. Mr Richard Gage's Slave. Sue me.

 
At 24 April, 2012 16:48, Blogger snug.bug said...

The untrue reactions were Billman's claim that the damage of the libel was limited to the opinions of the habituees of this blog, and RGT's claim that GutterBall had only asked a question, not made a false claim.

 
At 24 April, 2012 17:25, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

is it a libel to point that you harrased me and Carol Brouilliet among others? sorry but it is a fact, Mr. slave.

 
At 24 April, 2012 18:02, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 24 April, 2012 18:17, Blogger snug.bug said...

That would be more on the order of an opinion than a libel, I think. "Harassment" is a very elastic term, and can be used in very subjective ways.

The allegation of criminal actions like death threats is libel when it's not true.

 
At 24 April, 2012 18:24, Blogger Billman said...

Brian, the point I was trying to make is that if you wanna whine about libel, you should probably stop calling everyone idiots and girls. Unless you really don't understand countersuits. And your "opinion" that GuitarBill has somehow damaged your image amongst everyone here isn't libel.

 
At 24 April, 2012 18:52, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

"Harassment" in first, second or third Degree is a criminal action in the majority of the states. Slave!

 
At 24 April, 2012 19:22, Blogger snug.bug said...

"Idiots" and "girls" is an opinion. The lying allegation that I made death threats is libel.

Your continued ignorance of the facts is noted. The issue of my status here is not the point. The libel is available in google searches to my potential employers and to snoopy fathers of my lady friends.

 
At 24 April, 2012 19:52, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

oh really? let me help google...
http://www.truthjihad.com/good.htm

 
At 24 April, 2012 20:01, Blogger snug.bug said...

Yeah, isn't that hoot? Some anonymous liar posts a lot of nonsense on the internet and Kevin Barrett acts as if it's a story in the New York Times. And then he wonders why he can't get a job teaching college.

 
At 24 April, 2012 20:49, Blogger Ian said...

Poor Brian. He's hysterical because everyone is pointing out that he's a liar and lunatic. Also, "girls" is not an opinion, Brian. You only think it is, because you have the mind of a 7-year-old with learning disabilities. That's why you spend hour spamming the internet with tales of how magic thermite elves destroyed the WTC.

 
At 24 April, 2012 21:17, Blogger M Gregory Ferris said...

My favorite aspect of this episode of "Brian Fails" is how he ignored the BBC documentary of the air traffic recordings. They shoot down his whole Norad/NEADS theory in glorious detail.

Instead he wants to sue GB. Then Mr. Rodriguez shows up, and Brian ignores him even though technically he could sue Brian and win.

I am so glad they don't charge to read this stuff.

 
At 24 April, 2012 21:20, Blogger snug.bug said...

MGF, I never lied about Willie. And his thirst for fame makes him a public figure, which pretty much means you can say what you want about him.

 
At 24 April, 2012 21:35, Blogger Ian said...

MGF, I never lied about Willie. And his thirst for fame makes him a public figure, which pretty much means you can say what you want about him.

Brian, all you do is lie about him. Then he challenged you to debate, and you ran away squealing and crying like the pathetic liar and coward and sex stalker that you are.

 
At 24 April, 2012 21:59, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, I never lied about Willie.

 
At 24 April, 2012 22:10, Blogger Ian said...

Poor Brian, he's been humiliated again because he's an ignorant lunatic and liar who has no job and lives with his parents, so he's just going to babble hysterically about a genuine hero like Willie Rodriguez.

 
At 24 April, 2012 22:25, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

oh yes you lied. You also lied about other victims and you lied about your harrasment to people. You are also a stalker.
Brian Good says:Yeah, isn't that hoot? Some anonymous liar posts a lot of nonsense on the internet and Kevin Barrett acts as if it's a story in the New York Times. And then he wonders why he can't get a job teaching college.
Funny, since you are that "anonymous liar", I am glad you recognize yourself, let's not forget that you complained on this blog as well as other places of ME using my "Netherlands hackers friends" to expose you. You are petgoat, puntuxsawneybarney ETC ETC ETC.
lET'S ALSO NOT FORGET HOW YOU COMPLAINED OF MANY PEOPLE HAVING YOUR SAME IP ADDRESS, USED TO ATTACK ME AND OTHERS. Maybe this link will help you, it sures helps me a lot! http://rt.com/usa/news/lesher-lawsuit-topix-internet-890/
so, Brian, tell us. How was your writting of script for Richard Gage's video? I still have not seen it. How about that NOI issue? Since you are engaging me again, of course.

 
At 24 April, 2012 22:33, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

Brian Good the stalker says:"And his thirst for fame makes him a public figure, which pretty much means you can say what you want about him."
MGF just proved the point within minutes.
In my case I will tell the truth about you about you since your thirst to stalk me and harrass me and those close to me has been proven. So let's start with the name calling and the pissing match. Have you called Carol's husband lately?

 
At 24 April, 2012 23:25, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, I never lied about Willie.

 
At 24 April, 2012 23:35, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

Ian , I never lied about Brian, and you never lied about Brian either.

 
At 24 April, 2012 23:41, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

...and here for the record, Brian Good is Petgoat. Exhibit 1.

Brian Good's email:
From: Brian Good [mailto:snug.bug@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:38 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: William Rodriguez Needs a Friend at DemocraticUnderground

A series of my threads at the 9/11 forum questioning William
Rodriguez's story has attracted 12,000 reads and no credible defenses.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x179674

Will you please send someone there to provide substantiation of his
claims? The strong impression is being created that there is no
substantiation."

 
At 24 April, 2012 23:55, Blogger snug.bug said...

Do you have any reason to think that email is authentic?

 
At 25 April, 2012 00:03, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

you tell me...

 
At 25 April, 2012 00:11, Blogger snug.bug said...

How should I know? Any idiot can fabricate an email.

 
At 25 April, 2012 00:14, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

so you are denying NOW that you wrote this and sentit out correct?
(stop calling yourself idiot, we don't need your help to unmask you...).

 
At 25 April, 2012 00:20, Blogger snug.bug said...

You didn't answer the question. Do you have any reason to think it's authentic?

 
At 25 April, 2012 00:24, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

excerpts from another email from Brian Good:

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From: snug.bug@hotmail.com
To: sxxxxxxx
CC: cbrouillet@xxxxx, wtcbill@gmail.com
Subject: 9/11 continues to haunt Americans
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 22:53:58 -0700

...Brian Good 650.327.6214 snug.bug@hotmail.com


I'm sorry you didn't attend the Santa Cruz conference. I saw Sandy only as she walked by. As I left, there was Annie Machon, waiting to get into a car. I'd left her alone all weekend, but this seemed like a sign. She'd trotted David Shayler all over the UK while he tried to sell no-planes theory as conventional wisdom, and then accompanied Willie. As I walked up, she turned to me, expecting to be praised for her courage. I said: "William Rodriguez was a liar and you knew it.... I'm very disappointed." She did not deny it. All she had to say was "We all have to live with our disappointment, don't we."


The only person that does not agrees with your story is Annie Machon. She said to you " life is full of dissapointments, isn't? referring to meeting YOU. How about that LIAR!

 
At 25 April, 2012 00:24, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

you didn't answer the question, are you denying that you sent it out?

 
At 25 April, 2012 00:26, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

...also, you did not answer my questions previously posted and repeated here. Please respond:
How was your writting of script for Richard Gage's video? I still have not seen it. How about that NOI issue?

 
At 25 April, 2012 00:29, Blogger snug.bug said...

I don't get your point. Now you're changing the subject. Gosh, Willie! Are you mad at me?

 
At 25 April, 2012 00:32, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

not at all, just answer my questions and then we move to the next level.

 
At 25 April, 2012 00:39, Blogger snug.bug said...

Why should I answer your questions? When you present an "Exhibit" you can't authenticate, it seems like you wouldn't understand the answers and might even misconstrue them.

 
At 25 April, 2012 00:42, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

Hey Brian, (check your archives) An email you received from one of the activist of the San Francisco Group before you were stopped from harassing Carol and others, here:

"Your UNprincipled stand hurts your effectivenss in many ways. You have been alienated from several groups and lists, and have lost much respect from many individuals. You are often considered a problem by more than a few people, and you thus drain energy from the movement who waste their time dealing with your troublemaking. I could go on, but I'd just be letting you drain more time and attention from me."

 
At 25 April, 2012 00:45, Blogger snug.bug said...

So you're just trying to spam over the email you can't authenticate?

 
At 25 April, 2012 00:47, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

"Why should I answer your questions? When you present an "Exhibit" you can't authenticate, it seems like you wouldn't understand the answers and might even misconstrue them."

So you are not answering my questions correct?

I have to explain my strategy to you, wait, there is more coming...

 
At 25 April, 2012 00:49, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

not so, it is authenticated.
The reason is not posted completely is to eliminate the other people you sent it to.

Now, do you have a reason to believe is not real? simple question.

 
At 25 April, 2012 00:51, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

waiting for you...

 
At 25 April, 2012 00:51, Blogger snug.bug said...

I see no reason to think you would understand my answers, and thus it's more than likely you would misconstrue them.

 
At 25 April, 2012 00:52, Blogger snug.bug said...

Authenticated by whom?

 
At 25 April, 2012 00:56, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

not giving my sources. Very simple, answer my question and that will decide the next action.

 
At 25 April, 2012 00:58, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

waiting for you Mr slave.

 
At 25 April, 2012 01:00, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 25 April, 2012 01:01, Blogger snug.bug said...

Not authenticated, then. Any idiot can fabricate an email. Maybe your sources are liars.

 
At 25 April, 2012 01:02, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

tic toc tic toc

 
At 25 April, 2012 01:06, Blogger snug.bug said...

For you. You can't authenticate Exhibit 1.

 
At 25 April, 2012 01:08, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

let's say I cannot for your stand. Now, simple, are you denying you wrote that and sent it out, yes or no?. Very simple.

 
At 25 April, 2012 01:09, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

tic toc tic toc

 
At 25 April, 2012 01:13, Blogger snug.bug said...

I don't have to deny bullshit.

 
At 25 April, 2012 01:15, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

so you saying the letter is bullshit and you never sent it. correct?

 
At 25 April, 2012 01:19, Blogger snug.bug said...

I'm saying your unauthenticated email is bullshit. Did you receive it yourself? Did you get it from someone else? Did you write it yourself?

 
At 25 April, 2012 01:21, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The email is authentic, scumbag. And the mail header proves it.

Also notice that Willie's email contains the following line:

X-Originating-IP: [63.199.155.82]

That's your IP address, goat fucker. And the IP address resolves to the following FQDN:

adsl-63-199-155-82.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net

The same IP address found in the following expose:

9/11 Sex Stalker Brian Good Unmasked!.

"...Follow also your IP. 63.199.155.82

They can corroborate it here. I have the other ip you were using as well.

See ya!"


Any more lies for us, scumbag?

 
At 25 April, 2012 01:21, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

ok, we are getting somewhere. So the email is BULLSHIT. So we are safe to say that you never sent that email out. Correct?

 
At 25 April, 2012 01:23, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

Hold on GB, I am getting somewhere...
Give me a little more time.

 
At 25 April, 2012 01:24, Blogger snug.bug said...

There is no ip address in Exhibit 1. And that'll be "Mr. Scumbag" to you, ButtGoo.

 
At 25 April, 2012 01:26, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

So If I post the original with the IP on it, will that convince you or will you claim is forged? Don't you have a copy?
Back to the question Mr. Slave, did you or did you not sent this out?

 
At 25 April, 2012 01:29, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Why should I refer to a con artist, "shameless liar" and "miserable troll" as "Mr," your alleged sir?

And your libel allegations are based on quote mining--which won't stand up for a nanosecond in court, Captain Crotchrot.

Now, I'm going to sit back and watch Willie clean your clock.

And you're wrong, the email is authentic.

 
At 25 April, 2012 01:30, Blogger snug.bug said...

Willie, it seems that you don't understand that anyone can post text on the internet.

From: Barack Obama [mailto:barack.obama@gmail.com]
Sent: December 23, 2011 08:32 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: I am a War Criminal

It makes me sick, I'm sorry I was so weak, I am a war criminal. I have failed my country, my family, and my ideals. God help me.

Barack Obama

 
At 25 April, 2012 01:32, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

simple question, did you or did you not sent out the email.

 
At 25 April, 2012 01:33, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, your lying claims that I have made death threats are indeed libelous. I have never libeled Willie R because I have never lied about him.

 
At 25 April, 2012 01:34, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

GuitarBill, I have an audio recording of Brian, but the file is to big. How can I make it available here?
Brian, I am waiting for your answer, the next thing I will post is an audio recording of you. You can claim is not your voice and that it is bullshit as well. Remember the recording from a Pilot?

 
At 25 April, 2012 01:35, Blogger snug.bug said...

Willie, until you provide some authority for your unautheticated email, there is no need for me to comment on it. The effort by you and UtterFail to confuse the issue by citing nonexistent ip addresses is duly noted.

 
At 25 April, 2012 01:39, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

ok, good. So you are not going to comment on it. May I remind you this was the first email that got you in trouble with Richard Gage. But of course you do not remember it since there is no IP on it. HEHEHEHE

 
At 25 April, 2012 01:40, Blogger snug.bug said...

A pilot? You mean like that Cities-on-the-Moon guy, John Lear? You are really getting further and further off Exhibit 1, aren't you? Are you ever going to authenticate it, or will you admit that you can't?

 
At 25 April, 2012 01:40, Blogger GuitarBill said...

You lie constantly goat fucker.

For example, a question is not a "claim"--you mendacious moron.

Here's what I wrote, sans your quote mining and the obligatory straw man argument:

"...Yawn. So now you've graduated from threatening a harmless women with lethal force to cyber-bullying, Prince Charming? I'm shakin' in my boots."

See the question mark, cretin?

It changes everything when you present the quote IN CONTEXT, as opposed to quote mining my writing and then attacking the caricature of my words. Right, scumbag?

Once again, we can see that you've earned the titles "shameless liar" and "miserable troll."

 
At 25 April, 2012 01:40, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

So Brian , have you made any death threats?

 
At 25 April, 2012 01:43, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

If I can't (here). Sue me for Libel and for trying to damage your reputation. Come on, I double dare you.

 
At 25 April, 2012 01:46, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

Brian Good says:Are you ever going to authenticate it, or will you admit that you can't?
he also says this: Willie, until you provide some authority for your unautheticated email, there is no need for me to comment on it.
so we are safe to say that you are denying it. Correct?

 
At 25 April, 2012 01:53, Blogger snug.bug said...

ButtGoo continues to lie. He stated above "I am merely repeating Carol Brouillet's allegations." That was in the context of a claim that I had "graduated from threatening a harmless women with lethal force". TruthersAreAlways Wrong and Ian have made similar lying allegations. Carol Brouillet made no such allegations. Ian, and TAAW and UtterFool are libeling me.

 
At 25 April, 2012 01:54, Blogger snug.bug said...

William Rodriguez, you presented as "Exhibit 1" an email that you refuse to authenticate.

 
At 25 April, 2012 01:59, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 25 April, 2012 02:00, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

Well Brian Good, you have to admit that Carol does not feel safe around you and she so stated more than once.

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:01, Blogger snug.bug said...

Willie, suing you would be a waste of time. You live with a dog named Elvis.

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:02, Blogger GuitarBill said...

There you go again, trying to pass off a question as a "claim." Should we expect less from a "shameless liar" and "miserable troll"?

Probably not.

So why don't you take me to court, Perry Mason? I'm shakin' in my boots.

Yawn.

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:04, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFool, it was a claim. You claimed you were repeating Carol's allegations. You were lying about that. It was libel.

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:05, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

William Rodriguez, you presented as "Exhibit 1" an email that you refuse to authenticate.
I refuse to put all the headers from that email, correct. To protect one person. But if I am lying then prove me wrong.
Just say it. Say you never sent out that email that got you in trouble with Richard Gage. Go ahead, a simple yes or no.
So we can move on to the others, or are you saying the others are not authentic either? come on Mr. Slave, did you or did you not sent it out. Simple

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:10, Blogger snug.bug said...

So your source refuses to validate the authenticity of the email. Thanks for making that clear.

Sorry, I never sent out any emails from Richard Gage's computers saying anything about you. I understand why you might think I did, but you're wrong.

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:12, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

Carol has strived to get away from you, ignore you, forget you, she doesn't trust you, she questions your perceptions and judgement and she will never work with you or be your friend again. You stalked her and you were banned from Northern California 9/11 Truth Alliance for your erratic behavior against her, not to mention other groups. That is a fact.

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:12, Blogger GuitarBill said...

No, you took my writing out of context and tried to pass off a question as a "claim." There's no disputing that fact, as I've already proven by direct quotation.

So take me to court. And when the judge laughs you out of court, rest assured that I'll sue you in order to recover my legal fees and damages.

So go for it, Captain Crotchrot.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot to ask: Have you made any death threats lately, Prince Charming?

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:15, Blogger snug.bug said...

The claim was that your were repeating Carol Brouillet's allegations. That claim was a lie. The lie is a libel. The libel that I have made death threats has been repeated by Ian and by TruthersAreAlwaysWrong.

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:17, Blogger snug.bug said...

So William, you're not willing to try to authenticate "Exhibit 1". Are you going to withdraw it from evidence?

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:17, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

my source authenticated it.
" Sorry, I never sent out any emails from Richard Gage's computers saying anything about you. I understand why you might think I did, but you're wrong.
you are lying. Also it is noted that you refused to answer if you sent THAT email. Coward as always.

Anyhow, let's move to the others as well.
Are they also unauthentic?

About the pilot recording, stop playing dumb, you know exactly what I am talking about. About not suing me, you don't have the guts anyway. Mr Slave.

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:20, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

Here you go, "Carol Claimed that she has strived to get away from you, ignore you, forget you, she doesn't trust you, she questions your perceptions and judgement and she will never work with you or be your friend again. You stalked her and you were banned from Northern California 9/11 Truth Alliance for your erratic behavior against her, not to mention other groups. That is a fact."
Is it Libel now? sue me bitch.

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:21, Blogger snug.bug said...

Your source authenticated it. But your source is not williug to come forward and validate your claim. So all we get is hearsay.

I never sent any emails from Gage's computers about you.

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:23, Blogger snug.bug said...

Willie, you live with a dog. There's no point in suing you.

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:25, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Sorry, the logical fallacies and pettifogging of a "shameless liar" and "miserable troll" aren't evidence. They're wind. And the source of the wind is a lying gasbag who allegedly wears women's underwear and molests farm animals.

So sue me, Perry. I'm shakin' in my boots.

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:28, Blogger snug.bug said...

UtterFail, please provide me with the address of your legal counsel.

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:28, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

Willie, you live with a dog. There's no point in suing you.

I do! and my family as well, who I protect from creeps like you.
Bestiality noted again. Do you want to meet Elvis? is that it? hmmmmmmmmm

Brian , you do not have money to fix your own shitty car, let alone pay for the court costs. Also you did not answer a single question. dodge!

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:31, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

Brian Good says:UtterFail, please provide me with the address of your legal counsel.

Only an idiot will ask an anonymous poster for their legal reps address.

On the other hand, I am a "public figure" who is making real allegations about you, and you have ways to find me but you are scared to sue me as you are scared to face me. End of conversation.

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:33, Blogger snug.bug said...

Your allegations about me are not real in the least.

So you still can't authenticate "Exhibit 1"? Your informants are not willing to support you?

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:35, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The goat fucker brays, "...please provide me with the address of your legal counsel."

I'm not compelled to do anything of the sort--legally or otherwise.

Mount your own "investigation," Sherlock.

And you didn't answer my question: Have you made any death threats lately, Prince Charming?

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:37, Blogger snug.bug said...

I've never made any death threats, ButtGoo. And I never used Gage's computers to attack Willie R.

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:38, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

Brian Good, It is authenticated. Wether you like it or not, you sent those emails, ALL of them. If I protect some info is my prerrogative, all you can do is either tell the truth or lie about sending them. It is clear you took the second option.

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:43, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

Mr Slave says: I never used Gage's computers to attack Willie R.

..and you never used your bgood@ae911truth.org to send emails about me either correct?

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:45, Blogger snug.bug said...

OK, I'll qualify the death threats. When I was in High School I went to protest the war when Spiro Agnew was in town. I wore a skull mask and a black cape and hood. At one point one of the silly conventioneers pointed at me and said something to the effect that I didn't look too healthy. I pointed at him and said "You'll look like me soon enough, pig." I bet he's dead by now. That's the only death threat I ever made.

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:47, Blogger snug.bug said...

WR, you keep claiming that the email is authenticated. Unfortunately you can't provide the authentication. It's kind of like "the check is in the mail."

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:47, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

so you have been cross dressing since High school?

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:49, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

it explains your use of ""poordumbbastard"
in earlier internet lives.

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:50, Blogger snug.bug said...

Are you going to authenticate "Exhibit 1" or are you going to continue to try to distract? I wore a kilt once in high school. Is that cross dressing?

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:50, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

Brian Good , all you can do is either tell the truth or lie about sending them. It is clear you took the second option.

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:51, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

I wore a kilt once in high school. Is that cross dressing?
yes, if you are not Scotch.

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:54, Blogger snug.bug said...

It is clear you can't authenticate the Exhbits. Why is that? Your informants don't support you any more? How's that Tru TV thing working out for you?

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:55, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

So the email is BULLSHIT. So we are safe to say that you never sent that email out. Correct?

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:56, Blogger snug.bug said...

Scotch is whiskey. People are Scottish. That's funny, since a renowned Scottish journalist wrote an article about your appearance in Glasgow.

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:56, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

How's that Tru TV thing working out for you? No idea what you are talking about. But I am doing better than you, who is scripting shitty videos.

 
At 25 April, 2012 02:58, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

Hey all you need to do is do the math for 10 years, not all the interviews are going to be good and I welcome them as well. In your case, your only claim to fame , is being a recognized sex stalker.

 
At 25 April, 2012 03:00, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

Scotch is whiskey. People are Scottish. oh sorry, it shows I am not from here. I can point some stupid things you said in spanish in the past. It is COJONES not CAJONES.

 
At 25 April, 2012 03:03, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

hey Brian, please post a link to your video from AE, I am truly interested in seeing it.

 
At 25 April, 2012 03:03, Blogger snug.bug said...

Sleep well, guy. It's nearly 6:00 am your time. Say hi to Elvis. I bet he's really sweet.

 
At 25 April, 2012 03:04, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

How's that Tru TV thing working out for you?

are you going to explain this?

 
At 25 April, 2012 03:05, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

I sleep well guy. I told Elvis that a recognized stalker is saying hi, I showed him your photo and he ran away...

 
At 25 April, 2012 03:06, Blogger snug.bug said...

Willie, I never said CAJONES.

 
At 25 April, 2012 03:07, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

And for the record: "Carol Claimed that she has strived to get away from you, ignore you, forget you, she doesn't trust you, she questions your perceptions and judgement and she will never work with you or be your friend again. You stalked her and you were banned from Northern California 9/11 Truth Alliance for your erratic behavior against her, not to mention other groups. That is a fact."
Is it Libel now? sue me bitch

 
At 25 April, 2012 03:08, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

...yeah, and you never sent any emails....

 
At 25 April, 2012 03:09, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 25 April, 2012 03:19, Blogger snug.bug said...

I mean really, John Lear? Is that where you rest your credibilty? Cities on the Moon?

 
At 25 April, 2012 03:20, Blogger William_Rodriguez said...

Don't know John Lear.

 
At 25 April, 2012 04:44, Blogger Grandmastershek said...

I never lied about you, Willie.

Technically you did claim he didn't have the guts to debate you here or anywhere. And as we quickly found out not only was it untrue, but it turns out it was a bit of projection on your part Brian

 
At 25 April, 2012 05:29, Blogger Mike Rosefierce said...

An old post from Brian Good on the sf911truth newsgroup:

Brian Good Sep 23 2006, 6:10 pm
Woo Hoo Dana! Great Letter!

(Two typos-- comma on "Mr," and "pejeorative" in Par. 5)

Can I post this on DemocraticUnderground? If so, do you want your name on or off?

Brian

===============================

Later, petgoat posts Dana's letter on DemocraticUnderground.

Give it up, Brian. This is awkward for everyone.

 
At 25 April, 2012 06:35, Blogger Ian said...

Poor Brian. His lies are pathetic and hysterical.

Also, let's not forget he wears women's underwear.

 
At 25 April, 2012 06:50, Blogger Ian said...

From: Barack Obama [mailto:barack.obama@gmail.com]
Sent: December 23, 2011 08:32 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: I am a War Criminal

It makes me sick, I'm sorry I was so weak, I am a war criminal. I have failed my country, my family, and my ideals. God help me.

Barack Obama


This is especially rich coming from someone who jerks off while thinking of corrupt power-abuser RFK. But we all know Brian is a disgusting racist, so a black man in the White House drives him nuts, just as Dr. Rice being in the Bush cabinet drove him crazy too.

 
At 25 April, 2012 08:11, Blogger snug.bug said...

Ian, Obama is a war criminal. That is a simple technical fact, and saying so is not racist. Dr. Rice in the Bush cabinet did not drive me crazy. I was inclined to think well of Dr. Rice until I found that she perjured herself under oath at the 9/11 Commission.

 
At 25 April, 2012 08:18, Blogger snug.bug said...

GMS, I said Willie did not have the guts to debate me anywhere. He didn't. Just to try to make a liar out of me he enlisted his JREF buddies Pat and James to make a phony proposal for debate that he knew would be unacceptable because of the demonstrated poor ethics of the proposed mods. He refused to do anything to bring abut a debate outside of the Pat-and-James context. Truth is, there's nothing to debate.

 
At 25 April, 2012 08:28, Blogger Ian said...

Ian, Obama is a war criminal. That is a simple technical fact, and saying so is not racist. Dr. Rice in the Bush cabinet did not drive me crazy. I was inclined to think well of Dr. Rice until I found that she perjured herself under oath at the 9/11 Commission.

See what I mean? Brian is a disgusting racist who throws around terms like "war criminal" because he thinks it's unfair that a black man be successful while Brian has to live with his parents because he has no job.

Also, nobody cares about your obsession with Willie Rodriguez. He's an American hero, and you're an unemployed janitor and pervert. No amount of squealing will change that fact.

 
At 25 April, 2012 08:29, Blogger Ian said...

GMS, I said Willie did not have the guts to debate me anywhere. He didn't. Just to try to make a liar out of me he enlisted his JREF buddies Pat and James to make a phony proposal for debate that he knew would be unacceptable because of the demonstrated poor ethics of the proposed mods. He refused to do anything to bring abut a debate outside of the Pat-and-James context. Truth is, there's nothing to debate.

Thanks for proving our point. You are a pathetic coward who ran away squealing and crying when Rodriguez challenged you to a debate.

 
At 25 April, 2012 08:42, Blogger snug.bug said...

I did not run away. I declined to participate in a forum where the moderators demonstrated their disregard for the interests of innocent third parties.

 
At 25 April, 2012 08:51, Blogger Ian said...

I did not run away. I declined to participate in a forum where the moderators demonstrated their disregard for the interests of innocent third parties.

So in other words, you ran away like the pathetic coward and liar that you are.

How do you expect to get the widows' questions answered if you're too scared to have a debate with Willie Rodriguez?

 
At 25 April, 2012 08:58, Blogger snug.bug said...

Where did you get the idea that I'm scared to have a debate with Willie Rodriguez?

 
At 25 April, 2012 09:18, Blogger Ian said...

Where did you get the idea that I'm scared to have a debate with Willie Rodriguez?

He challenged you to a debate, and you ran away squealing and crying. It's pretty simple.

 
At 25 April, 2012 09:38, Blogger snug.bug said...

His proposal was for a lot of multimedia that would severely disadvantage me because I didn't have time to develop the content, and his proposal was for a debate that would be moderated by people who demonstrated their complete lack of concern for ethical concerns about the interests of innocent third parties. I was advised by my friends in the 9/11 truth movement not to accept these conditions. I proposed alternate venues, and Willie would not lift a finger to facilitate that.

 
At 25 April, 2012 09:41, Blogger snug.bug said...

I had a friend who is a moderator at the 911blogger website offer to moderate the debate. Apparently Willie was not willing to accept that. It had to be his JREF buddies Pat and James. Gee, I wonder why.

 
At 25 April, 2012 09:53, Blogger Ian said...

His proposal was for a lot of multimedia that would severely disadvantage me because I didn't have time to develop the content, and his proposal was for a debate that would be moderated by people who demonstrated their complete lack of concern for ethical concerns about the interests of innocent third parties. I was advised by my friends in the 9/11 truth movement not to accept these conditions. I proposed alternate venues, and Willie would not lift a finger to facilitate that.

Like I said, you ran away squealing and crying because you're afraid of debating Rodriguez.

I had a friend who is a moderator at the 911blogger website offer to moderate the debate. Apparently Willie was not willing to accept that. It had to be his JREF buddies Pat and James. Gee, I wonder why.

I'm not interested in the testimony of anonymous internet liars.

 
At 25 April, 2012 09:58, Blogger snug.bug said...

I declined to accept a debate run by biased moderators who had demonstrated their total disregard for ethical considerations regarding the human shields Willie liked to abuse.

 
At 25 April, 2012 10:59, Blogger Ian said...

I declined to accept a debate run by biased moderators who had demonstrated their total disregard for ethical considerations regarding the human shields Willie liked to abuse.

Brian, we know. You've told us many times that you're a pathetic coward and that you ran away squealing and crying for Rodriguez' debate challenge. You don't have to keep repeating it.

 
At 25 April, 2012 11:01, Blogger snug.bug said...

I never told you what you say I told you. You lie and lie and lie and lie.

I declined to accept a debate run by biased moderators who had demonstrated their total disregard for ethical considerations regarding the human shields Willie liked to abuse.

 
At 25 April, 2012 11:21, Blogger Ian said...

I never told you what you say I told you. You lie and lie and lie and lie.

Squeal squeal squeal!

Poor Brian, he's humiliated because everyone knows he's a coward and liar who ran away squealing and crying from a debate challenge from Rodriguez.

I declined to accept a debate run by biased moderators who had demonstrated their total disregard for ethical considerations regarding the human shields Willie liked to abuse.

See what I mean?

 
At 25 April, 2012 12:45, Blogger Pat Cowardly said...

"I only think it was an inside job falsely blamed on Muslims when I'm told by the FBI that it was an inside job falsely blamed on Muslims" - Pat Curley

 
At 25 April, 2012 14:13, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Gentlemen,

You'll notice that the goat fucker managed to change the subject of the discussion and, as a result, hijack the thread.

The subject is not me or Willie.

The subject is the goat fucker and the TroofAction thread wherein members of the TroofAction 9/11 conspiracy cult branded him a "shameless liar" and a "miserable troll."

And now Cowardly is making a lame attempt at hijacking the thread.

So let's get back to the subject: The goat fucker.

 
At 25 April, 2012 14:16, Blogger snug.bug said...

So you're not going to prove your lying libelous claims? Is that what you're telling us?

 
At 25 April, 2012 14:24, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Still trying to change the subject, liar?

So goat fucker, how does it feel to be rejected by the cult of 9/11 troof? How does it feel to know that even the lowliest conspiracy nuts consider you a "shameless liar" and a "miserable troll"?

Poor goat fucker, he's been rejected by another troofer cult.

Maybe it's your charming personality?

 
At 25 April, 2012 14:28, Blogger Richard Gage's Testicles said...

So you're not going to prove your lying libelous claims? Is that what you're telling us?

Is it true that Brian Good, 57, of Palo Alto, California, beheaded and ate four Girl Scouts between 1997 and 2002?

 
At 25 April, 2012 14:38, Blogger snug.bug said...

Are you going to claim as if it were a fact that someone close to the issue says I did?

Your continued misrepresentation of the issues is noted.

 
At 25 April, 2012 14:45, Blogger GuitarBill said...

And your continued efforts to hijack the thread are "noted," scumbag.

So answer the questions, cretin: [1] How does it feel to be rejected by the cult of 9/11 troof? [2] How does it feel to know that even the lowliest conspiracy nuts consider you a "shameless liar" and a "miserable troll"?

Now squeal, cry and attempt to change the subject, troll.

 
At 25 April, 2012 15:05, Blogger Ian said...

Speaking of being rejected by the 9/11 cult, I noticed that Brian deleted the comment asking him to leave 9/11 Scholars because he's a liar and lunatic and stalker:

http://911scholars.ning.com/profile/BrianGood

Such a handsome devil you are, Brian! I can't believe Carol Brouillet refused to leave her husband for someone who lives with his parents because he has no job, and has perfected the homeless mullet look.

 
At 25 April, 2012 15:06, Blogger snug.bug said...

Where did you get the idea that I was "rejected by the cult of 9/11 troof"? Did Ian tell you that?

So you admit that your claim that I made death threats is a lie?

 
At 25 April, 2012 15:10, Blogger GuitarBill said...

As predicted, all we'll get are squealing, crying and naked attempts to change the subject.

Pathetic.

So answer the questions, coward: [1] How does it feel to be rejected by the cult of 9/11 troof? [2] How does it feel to know that even the lowliest conspiracy nuts consider you a "shameless liar" and a "miserable troll"?

You're such a coward, goat fucker. And your desperation is palpable.

 
At 25 April, 2012 15:15, Blogger snug.bug said...

Where did you get the idea that I was "rejected by the cult of 9/11 troof"? Did Ian tell you that?

So you admit that your claim that I made death threats is a lie?

 
At 25 April, 2012 15:18, Blogger GuitarBill said...

The dumbspammer squeals, "...Where did you get the idea that I was "rejected by the cult of 9/11 troof"? Did Ian tell you that?"

Sharp as a marble, aren't you, goat fucker?

I'm pretty certain that when the moderator of a 9/11 troof conspiracy cult website referred to you as a "shameless liar" and a "miserable troll" that it's safe to conclude that you've been, once again, rejected by a cult of conspiracy crazies.

So answer the questions, coward: [1] How does it feel to be rejected by the cult of 9/11 troof? [2] How does it feel to know that even the lowliest conspiracy nuts consider you a "shameless liar" and a "miserable troll"?

Now squeal, lie and change the subject, piggy.

 
At 25 April, 2012 15:19, Blogger snug.bug said...

Where did you get the idea that I was "rejected by the cult of 9/11 troof"? Did Ian tell you that?

So you admit that your claim that I made death threats is a lie?

 
At 25 April, 2012 15:19, Blogger Ian said...

Where did you get the idea that I was "rejected by the cult of 9/11 troof"? Did Ian tell you that?

Brian, you've been expelled from every truther group you've been a part of. An organization that values its credibility is not going to allow liars and lunatics like you to join. They want serious scholars like Jim Fetzer, Kevin Barrett, and Bill Deagle.

Also, you still have not named a single widow who has questions. Not one.

 
At 25 April, 2012 15:22, Blogger GuitarBill said...

More dumbspam, idiot?

So answer the questions, coward: [1] How does it feel to be rejected by the cult of 9/11 troof? [2] How does it feel to know that even the lowliest conspiracy nuts consider you a "shameless liar" and a "miserable troll"?

You can run, goat fucker, but you can't hide.

Trust me, the next thread will revisit this subject. You can bet on it, scumbag.

Now squeal and cry when your tactics are used against you, piggy.

 
At 25 April, 2012 15:24, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Don't let him get away with hijacking the thread, and don't allow him to live this humiliation down. The next thread will involve this subject. No ifs, no ands, and no buts.

 
At 25 April, 2012 15:25, Blogger GuitarBill said...

Finished.

 

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