Another Bit of Debunking
By some Truthers, of a nutty conspiracy they don't agree with. This time it's Barbara Honegger's idiotic fascination with the Pentagon clocks.
No kidding, the writer actually dropped a bunch of clocks on the ground at about 9:38 AM to see if they would move backwards due to the fall. And yes, it happened:
You know how it is; there's a part of me that feels they did a good job, and a part of me that realizes if we ever debunked stuff like this we'd get slammed by Truthers because "nobody gives credence to Honegger".Could the fall have caused the minute hand to move closer to a 9:31:30 am time for two of the clocks, as suggested by Russell Pickering? See the section “Wall Clock Experiments” for an experimental test of this suggestion for a clock virtually identical to the Heliport clock. The result of the experiment is that the minute hand can move back readily, even for a drop of 4 feet, as much as 8 minutes or more (to around the 9:30 am position), depending upon the clock’s orientation when it strikes the floor. This experimental evidence proves Honegger’s claim that the wall clocks’ provide the “ultimate evidence,” to be without foundation.
posted by Pat @ 11:59 AM
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Wow, 26 pages Amazing that someone would spend so much time effort debunking such an old theory that got so little attention even when it was new.
Any theories on why some of these guys are so diligent in debunking No Plane, yet remain fooled by Controlled Demolition? There's a very clear split on this topic.
I wonder if it's the nature of the evidence. The Pentagon has no good visuals of the event, so one is required to read and evaluate and visualize. Maybe there's something bias-inducing about seeing the videos of the collapses before learning how they happened.
I wonder if it's the nature of the evidence. The Pentagon has no good visuals of the event, so one is required to read and evaluate and visualize. Maybe there's something bias-inducing about seeing the videos of the collapses before learning how they happened.
Probably. Whenever you ask Brian Good for his evidence, he inevitably cites the "essential mysteries", which are all things that an amateur watching a grainy youtube video might find strange.
A number of prominent truthers are much discomfited by the controlled demolition hypothesis. Mostly I attribute this to a lack of education in the sciences on their part.
Ian, the essential mysteries are real honest-to-god scientific mysteries that NIST dodged by terminating its report at the moment of collapse initiation.
And amateur watching a youtube might well be mystified, but then 1800 architectural and engineering professionals are mystified too.
Below are listed some of your lies in the previous thread.
1. You said the widows have no questions. You mock the victims of 9/11.
2. You claimed with no evidence that the widows have moved on from their 273 questions.
3. You claimed that I stalked Carol Brouillet. I never stalked Carol Brouillet. Kevin Barrett considered it stalking when I went to protest his publicly-announced appearances. If Carol called me delusional it was because I said Barrett was a bigot and Rodriguez was a con artist. I was right. Barrett was a bigot and Rodriguez was a con artist.
A number of prominent truthers are much discomfited by the controlled demolition hypothesis. Mostly I attribute this to a lack of education in the sciences on their part.
Brian, you're a mentally ill unemployed janitor. Leave "science" to people who actually understand it.
Ian, the essential mysteries are real honest-to-god scientific mysteries that NIST dodged by terminating its report at the moment of collapse initiation.
False. They're the delusions of a mentally ill unemployed janitor. Also, Brian, whenever someone asks what the cause of these mysteries are, you run away squealing and crying, because you can't keep your own delusions straight: sometimes it's invisible silent explosives planted by elves. Sometimes it's magic spray-on thermite sprayed on by elves. Sometimes it's radio-controlled aircraft, etc. etc.
And amateur watching a youtube might well be mystified, but then 1800 architectural and engineering professionals are mystified too.
False. There is no mystery among trained professionals. Just among liars and lunatics who live with their parents.
1. You said the widows have no questions. You mock the victims of 9/11.
Nobody cares about your "widows". Also, you are not a victim of 9/11.
2. You claimed with no evidence that the widows have moved on from their 273 questions.
The widows could not have moved on from questions they never had. You live in a fantasy world.
3. You claimed that I stalked Carol Brouillet. I never stalked Carol Brouillet. Kevin Barrett considered it stalking when I went to protest his publicly-announced appearances. If Carol called me delusional it was because I said Barrett was a bigot and Rodriguez was a con artist. I was right. Barrett was a bigot and Rodriguez was a con artist.
Thanks for proving my point. You were banned from the truth movement for stalking Carol Brouillet.
Anyway, Brian, I'm glad you patiently waited for a new post to continue your dumbspam from the last post so I could humiliate you more.
I mean, your babbling about widows 4 years ago was how I first started humiliating you, back when you first started spamming this blog.
The widows don't give a shit what anyone thinks. They've moved on with their lives and living their lives without the hassle of some idiot on the internet forcing them to ask their "unanswered questions".
You ask any of the Jersey Girls about the questions they had answered and they'll tell you that they were satisfied with the Commission's results.
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Ian, you provide no evidence that I am a) mentally ill, b) uneomployed, or c) a janitor. What is your basis for these claims--other than your inability to distinguish your imaginings from reality?
I never said anything about elves. Your expectation is unreasonable that I should provide a coherent theory when I am only in the information-gathering phase of investigation and only calling for further information-gathering with subpoena power.
1800 architectural and engineering professionals are mystified by the collapses, This includes 40 PhD engineers, 40 high rise architects, 50 structural engineers, and 10 Stanford engineers, Your claim that there is no mystery among professionals is a lie.
You provide no basis for your claim that nobody cares about the widows. You don't care about the widows. It's your right to be a churlish lout if you wish, but don't project your own attitude on others.
Therenis no evidence that the widows have moved on from the 300 questions they had, 273 of which were never answered. None of them have remarried to my knowledge.
I didn't prove your point, I was not banned from the truth movement, I was received quite warmly at the strategy meeting of the NorCal Truth Alliance recently.
You have not demonstrated the power to humiliate anyone Ian--other than yourself and the fools who endorse your stupid lies implicitly by their silence.
Funny how Brian fails every time to give us any kind of sources to back up his theories.
He has not shown a link to the Bentham Journal proving that his "1800 architects and engineers" are on it.
Therenis no evidence that the widows have moved on from the 300 questions they had, 273 of which were never answered. None of them have remarried to my knowledge.
Ah ha! So Brian is after the widows and wants to marry one of them.
Hey Brian, those widows like a person who has a steady job, loves kids and isn't obsessed with conspiracy theories nor a sexual predator.
Besides some of them did remarry.
I don't have any theories, TAW. I don't link sources anymore, because when I do the links just get buried under dumbspam from the likes of you, Ian, and MGF.
There is no link to the Bentham Journal proving that "1800 architects and engineers" call for new investigations. The link is the ae911truth.org website. 50 structural engineers, 40 highrise architects, 40 PhD engineers, and 10 Stanford engineers. That ain't woofin. And how many independent engineers have expressed confidence in NIST's collapse scenario? Oh that's right. ZERO. NIL. NADA. ZILCH.
You provide no evidence that I don't have a job, that I am obsessed with conspiracy theories, or that I am a sexual predator.
I don't link sources anymore, because when I do the links just get buried under dumbspam from the likes of you, Ian, and MGF.
Using us as an excuse isn't cutting it anymore goatboy.
The link is the ae911truth.org website.
Go figure, you go to a website where you got banned from. Irony! Oh and goatboy, you should be able to know where you so called "1800 architects and engineers" can get their theories through a respected peer reviewed journal.
You provide no evidence that I don't have a job, that I am obsessed with conspiracy theories, or that I am a sexual predator.
You're on here 24/7, you must collect SSI or SSD in order to be a welfare bum. You are obsessed with conspiracy theories, you talk about the widows all the time. Dude, Carol Brouillet told you to stay away from her cause of your sexual advances.
I hope one day when we don't here from you for a long time that some woman out there will press charges on you for sexual assault and have you put in prison or worse, in a State Hospital where sexual predators of your kind can live in peace and harmony and be on psychotic drugs to help relieve you of your sexual desires. I hope it's the State Hospital cause you definantly need help with your problems.
Here's a list of State Hospitals for you Brian.
Columbia South Valley Hospital – Gilroy
Community Hospital of Los Gatos – Los Gatos
El Camino Hospital – Mountain View
Good Samaritan Hospital – San Jose
Kaiser Permanente Medical Center Gilroy – Gilroy, California
Kaiser Permanente Santa Clara Medical Center – Santa Clara, California
Kaiser Permanente Santa Teresa Medical Center – San Jose, California
O'Connor Hospital – San Jose, California
Regional Medical Center of San Jose – San Jose, California
Saint Louise Regional Hospital – Gilroy, California
San Jose Medical Center – San Jose, California
Santa Clara Valley Medical Center – San Jose, California
Stanford University Medical Center – Stanford
VA Palo Alto Health Care System – Palo Alto
Shall I call them and give them your phone number and address so they can speak to you personally about your problems? I can help you with your problems ya know.
There's only 1 Brian Good listed in the white pages:
http://www.whitepages.com/name/Brian-C-Good/Palo-Alto-CA/1c68hfi?site_id=15277
Shall I give those hospitals a call and tell them that you're a dear friend of mine who needs help with his problems.
Gimme a reason to call them Brian.
TruthersrAlwaysWrong is wrong when he says "You ask any of the Jersey Girls about the questions they had answered and they'll tell you that they were satisfied with the Commission's results."
In fact, that's a blatant lie. Why would Lorie Van Auken and Mindy Kleinberg release a report stating how poorly the 9/11 Commission answered their questions if they were "satisfied with the Commission's results?"
Why would the September Eleventh Advocates release letter after letter after letter over the years calling into question what the 9/11 Commission had to say?
There are so many more reasons why what you say is wrong, and probably just a blatant lie.
Hey Jonm, why don't you handcuff yourself to another piece of Federal property. I'm pretty sure if we checked your criminal record we'd find out alot about you.
You want us to do a back ground check with your states State Police fat boy?
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TAW isn't just wrong, Jon. He's lying. All these peedunkers here are liars. They seem to think that lying about 9/11 and the widows is funny.
Here's FATBOY, I mean Jon Gold in all his glory getting arrested for handcuffing himself to the White House fence and getting escourted off (handcuffed, oh the irony) into a Secret Service vehicule to whisked away to the FEMA Camps of his imagination.
One thing about me FATBOY, I don't have a criminal record like you do.
They seem to think that lying about 9/11 and the widows is funny.
Yeah its funny because they moved on with their lives. You're still stuck on a sexual desire to have a woman that's just as stupid and crazy as you.
FATBOY, I mean Jon Gold, getting arrested for being an idiot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKFz6qd9RpY
Dude, do you need to go to a State Hospital too? Perhaps a call to Jenny Craig too?
Why would Lorie Van Auken and Mindy Kleinberg release a report stating how poorly the 9/11 Commission answered their questions if they were "satisfied with the Commission's results?
And were are their reports fatboy? Unless you want to sit there like a fat lump on someones ass and not produce a source that they're still asking about their "unanswered questions".
I wonder if Jon would be so kind to point out who he is from this line up of other Jon Gold's who have an arrest record.
http://www.instantcheckmate.com/resultsAPI/ALL/gold/Jon
Come on Jon, give an example of how the criminal mind works. Repent and thou shall be saved.
Poor Brian. He's hysterical because he knows the widows have no questions.
Your expectation is unreasonable that I should provide a coherent theory when I am only in the information-gathering phase of investigation
Hmm, 11 years you've been in the "information-gathering phase", and said phase seems to consist mainly of you spamming the internet with your homosexual obsession with Willie Rodriguez.
1800 architectural and engineering professionals are mystified by the collapses, This includes 40 PhD engineers, 40 high rise architects, 50 structural engineers, and 10 Stanford engineers, Your claim that there is no mystery among professionals is a lie.
Nobody cares.
Therenis no evidence that the widows have moved on from the 300 questions they had, 273 of which were never answered. None of them have remarried to my knowledge.
The widows have no questions.
I didn't prove your point, I was not banned from the truth movement, I was received quite warmly at the strategy meeting of the NorCal Truth Alliance recently.
False.
You have not demonstrated the power to humiliate anyone Ian--other than yourself and the fools who endorse your stupid lies implicitly by their silence.
Squeal squeal squeal!
Seems that Brian has a criminal record also.
http://www.instantcheckmate.com/resultsAPI/CA/Good/Brian
Just look for:
Brian C. Good 58 Palo Alto, CA
Looks like your authority is a scam, Mr. Confirmation Bias. 315 complaints to BBB in 3 years.
I have many times sourced the report that details the 273 unanswered questions.
Justicefor911.org Appendix 4
I have many times sourced the report that details the 273 unanswered questions.
Justicefor911.org Appendix 4
That's just so damn laughable that it's not even funny anymore.
You think just because it's on that site you think it's "official"? Show us an official document from the Jersey Girls and stop masterbating to Truther websites.
I have many times sourced the report that details the 273 unanswered questions.
Justicefor911.org Appendix 4
The widows have no questions.
I have only been arrested 2x, was acquitted for the one, and paid the fine for the second.
Here is Lorie and Mindy's report (as if you couldn't find it yourself).
http://home.comcast.net/~gold9472/fsc_review.pdf
Here are a collection of the September Eleventh Advocates letters put forward over the years...
http://home.comcast.net/~gold9472/911advocates.pdf
Hopefully from this point on, you won't be as dishonest as you were by stating they "were satisfied with the Commission's results."
Keep up the good work Pat and James. Make sure you correct your posters when they make mistakes.
By the way, Lorie and Mindy just endorsed the Tour de Peace. I will be speaking across the country for the next 3 months. :) I'll even be in Arizona soon Pat.
I hope you and Steve Lemons can make it out to ask me about things like Nico Haupt, or Holocaust Denial.
Or Kevin Barrett, Craig Ranke, and Willie Fraudriguez.
Nobody cares about your homosexual obsession with Willie Rodriguez, Brian.
Hopefully from this point on, you won't be as dishonest as you were by stating they "were satisfied with the Commission's results."
Hey Jon, I'm not dishonest when I say that I have a clean criminal record. Unlike you I don't intend to handcuff myself to Federal property nor am I stupid enough to pull such a stunt.
Had it ever occured to you Jon that since you're still raging against the Government, you gave them something to hold against you. So next time you try to fight the Government all they need to do is bring up your arrest record to use against you.
You're fighting a losing battle, stop while you still have part of a brain to think with.
I have only been arrested 2x, was acquitted for the one, and paid the fine for the second.
Was it worth it?
LOL Jon's so traveling back in time that he literally went to 2004 and 2005.
http://home.comcast.net/~gold9472/fsc_review.pdf
"Statement and Questions 1-23 submitted Feburary 16, 2004
Questions submitted March 18, 2004"
http://home.comcast.net/~gold9472/911advocates.pdf
"1/27/2005"
Hey fatboy, do you have any of the widows pdf files that are from 2012 or 2013? If you don't then you know for a fact that what you're saying is total bullshit and you can't prove that the widows continue to ask questions about 9/11 when they officially moved on with their lives in 2011.
TAW, the questions were unanswered in 2004, and they're still unanswered today. Do you think there's a statute of limitations on truth?
I wonder what your excuse would have been in Sept. 06 when their report was first released, or any of the times the letters were first released.
So when Monica Gabrielle or Kristen Breitweiser post about issues concerning 9/11 on their walls on Facebook, I suppose that means they've officially moved on?
Or when Lorie and Mindy endorse the Tour de Peace, I suppose that means they've officially moved on?
Or when Lorie signed on to the "Statement For 9/11 Justice" that I created this year, I suppose that means she's officially moved on?
You lied. The Jersey Girls/September Eleventh Advocates were NOT "satisfied with the Commission's results" by any stretch of the imagination.
Call me some more names, I'm sure it will just make your arguments even more credible.
Have a nice day debunkers!
TAW, the questions were unanswered in 2004, and they're still unanswered today.
Nobody cares.
So when Monica Gabrielle or Kristen Breitweiser post about issues concerning 9/11 on their walls on Facebook, I suppose that means they've officially moved on?
Nobody cares.
Or when Lorie and Mindy endorse the Tour de Peace, I suppose that means they've officially moved on?
Nobody cares.
Or when Lorie signed on to the "Statement For 9/11 Justice" that I created this year, I suppose that means she's officially moved on?
Nobody cares.
You lied. The Jersey Girls/September Eleventh Advocates were NOT "satisfied with the Commission's results" by any stretch of the imagination.
Pat, James, myself, TAW, and myself were satisfied. 5>4. They lose.
TruthersrAlwaysWrong said...
Seems that Brian has a criminal record also.
http://www.instantcheckmate.com/resultsAPI/CA/Good/Brian
Just look for:
Brian C. Good 58 Palo Alto, CA
The minimum charge on the site is $ 22.86. Can you post the rsults?
"1800 architectural and engineering professionals are mystified by the collapses, This includes 40 PhD engineers, 40 high rise architects, 50 structural engineers, and 10 Stanford engineers, Your claim that there is no mystery among professionals is a lie."
Yes 1800 out of the millions morldwide.
"40 PhD engineers"
Most of whom are not structural or even civil engineers.
"50 structural engineers"
My count come out to about 36, many of whose experience is with offshore platforms etc. but only a handful with experience with high or even midrise buildings. Get back to us with a list of SE's with relevant experience whose comments indicate they've read the NIST reports.
Jon, don't dignify them with the name "debunkers". All they do is lie. They're "peedunkers".
Ian, so you think the opinions of lying anonymous internet posters should outweigh the opinions of the victims of 9/11? And you think it's okay to count yourself twice? And you think that's clever? What's wrong with you? Did your big sister abuse you when you were a child?
Len, how many architects and engineers can you name who will publicly endorse NIST's collapse sequence? Of those, how many are free of professional relationships with NIST?
There are at least 50 structural engineers signed on with AE911Truth. Not all states have separate licenses for structural work as opposed to civil engineering work. The count includes all of those who do structural work.
Offtopic: I'll just leave this here.
TAW, the questions were unanswered in 2004, and they're still unanswered today. Do you think there's a statute of limitations on truth?
Wihtout a source you've got nothing. Jon sourced his but we found out that they were from 2004 and 2005. He didn't have an updated version from 2012 or 2013.
You lied. The Jersey Girls/September Eleventh Advocates were NOT "satisfied with the Commission's results" by any stretch of the imagination.
How can I lie about the dates on those pdf files fatboy? Answer that question instead of running like the Pillsbury Dough Boy.
Len, if I have the money to look at Brian's criminal record I'll gladly post it on here for all to see.
You didn't answer my question. Do you think there's a statute of limitations on truth? You peedunkers are on the wrong side of history, wasting your time.
I really hate to repost this, but ignorant fatass Jon Gold insisted that the Jersey Girls never moved on with their lives. So here it is again. And this doesn't make me a liar you fatfuck:
Life goes on for the 9/11 Widows:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/10/11-september-widows-move-on-as-tenth-anniversary-nears
They were four women from New Jersey whose husbands were killed in the tragedy and went on to campaign for a national commission of inquiry into the attacks. In eventually winning their battle to be heard in Washington, the four transformed themselves into powerful representatives of the 9/11 victims. But now, as America gears up for the emotional 10th anniversary of the attacks, the Jersey girls seem to have embraced new lives out of the media spotlight. They will be keeping their grief private.
"I am no longer defining my life as a widow. I feel like I am not going to let myself be defined by what happened to me on 9/11. It's healthier for me. My husband has gone and he's not coming back," Kristen Breitweiser, 40, told the Observer in an interview. Breitweiser said that she would spend the coming anniversary with her 12-year-old daughter. "We will take a nice walk on the beach," she said.
Those sentiments were echoed by fellow Jersey girl Lorie Van Auken, 56, who will spend the day watching her daughter appear in a New York show. "Life goes on," she said.
Breitweiser said she had lost all faith in America's political system, believing it to be dominated by deep-pocketed business interests who put profit over citizens' safety. Twice in the last few years, she said, people had urged her to stand for office. Twice she refused. "You need money to run and when you get the money you are indebted to the people or corporation that gave you it," she said. Instead, Breitweiser now devotes herself to blogging for the Huffington Post on a wide range of issues.
She has developed a fascination with the Middle East and the Muslim world and recently took her child on a trip to Morocco. A trip to Turkey is planned this year and she wants to go to Egypt next year to witness the aftermath of the country's recent revolution. "There is nothing more inspiring than seeing a group of people rise up together against the powers that be when those powers are in the wrong," she said. "It was also non-violent, and after losing my husband in the way I did, by Middle Eastern terrorists, it was amazing to see change happening without violence."
You didn't answer my question.
Now you know how it feels when you fail to answer our questions. Karmas a real bitch ain't it goatboy?
Do you think there's a statute of limitations on truth?
What truth? That the Jersey Girls have no questions or that they moved on with their lives not caring about retards who have mental problems and are obsessed with conspiracy theories?
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/statement-for-911-justice/
Funny how Jon says: "Or when Lorie signed on to the "Statement For 9/11 Justice" that I created this year, I suppose that means she's officially moved on?"
He said he created it "this year". But no where on that stupid petition is a date. So since there's no date he can say anything he wants and take it as that.
I'm not buying that BS that it was "this year".
Jon Gold on the Opie & Anthony Radio Show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz0vv2iFc6w
Sit and listen to the Pillsbury Dough Boy make an ass out of himself.
The Jersey widows have questions, TAW. Why do you spend such enormous energies trying to frustrate their quest for answers and justice. What is wrong with you?
The Jersey widows have questions, TAW. Why do you spend such enormous energies trying to frustrate their quest for answers and justice. What is wrong with you?
What's wrong with me is your failure to give all their "unanswered questions" to us.
What questions were they? Were they important enough to hold up in court? Did the questions have anything to do with the investigation to prove that the Government was responsible and planned 9/11?
It's not our place to do it, it's your place to do it. It's called accountability!
I have not only given you their unanswered questions, I have given them to you probably three dozen times over the years, and I gave them to you specifically yesterday at 4 pm.
The questions are at Justicefor911.org APpendix 4
I have not only given you their unanswered questions, I have given them to you probably three dozen times over the years, and I gave them to you specifically yesterday at 4 pm.
Yeah sure they're on there. I bet you just reached inside your own ass and pulled them out, is that your kind of magic?
Googled up: Justicefor911.org APpendix 4
Nothing is showing so it doesn't exist. LOL
I would surely hope "life goes on" for them. I would hate to think that they stayed miserable their entire lives, and instead tried to introduce some happiness into them. However, they still care about the issue, and it's still a lie to say they were "satisfied with the Commission's results." As for Opie & Anthony, that was something like 8 years ago, and was my first interview ever. They muted the phone and spoke over me. It was a big clusterfuck, but at least I tried. As for the petition, the first signature was in Aug '12. Sorry, not "this year," but within the last year. Anyway, you're a liar. I'm done playing with "debunkers" now. Have a nice day!
http://justicefor911.org/Appendix4_FSCQuestionRatings_111904.php
You should've just gave me the link you idiot.
Rating System: Please check box (column) 1, 2 or 3 for each question
A check in Box 1:
This question has been satisfactorily answered by the 9/11 Commission Report.
A check in Box 2:
This question has been addressed in the Report, but not adequately answered.
A check in Box 3:
This question has been generally ignored in or omitted from the Report.
So far I've counted 198 that weren't answered.
Why did you embellish the amount what I've found Brian? You claimed that 273 weren't answered and I counted everyone of them you people think weren't "answered" to be 198.
You did lie about there being 273 on purpose, didn't you.
However, they still care about the issue
No Jon, they don't care about the issue cause they said it themselves that they're going to keep it a personal matter and you're over stepping their personal space. It is YOU that cares so much about it, not them. So stop putting words in their mouths and stop being an idiot.
They muted the phone and spoke over me. It was a big clusterfuck, but at least I tried.
The reason why they did that is because they've heard the same lame boring bullshit over and over again. You made them a target of you and you had no idea what was going on. You didn't try, you hung up on yourself once and at the end you couldn't take the fact that they had an opinion and you didn't like it and hung up again.
Anyway, you're a liar. I'm done playing with "debunkers" now. Have a nice day!
Sure I'm a liar Jon, like you've never put your life in danger like I have to save lives everyday. From vehicule wrecks to house fires, you have no fucking clue what firefighting is you fatfuck. Those buildings came down as a result of planes going into them, the fires from the jet fuel and gravity (except WTC7 which had a huge fucking hole in it and only fires).
You have proof that I'm a liar I'll gladly give you my cell phone number and talk to you directly. All you have to do is ask me for my e-mail address and I'll give it. Unless you're a fucking coward and can't cope with talking on the phone.
So Jonathan Gold is living in Plymouth Meeting, PA?
Well, well, well, I live in PA too in Cambria County.
I would bet Jon wouldn't mind me finding his phone number in the white pages.
Interesting find about Jon Gold found here:
http://www.rit.edu/news/utilities/pdf/2006/2006-05-21_timesHer_hijacked_web.pdf
"The truth adherent's views vary, Gold said, but many believe that the World Trade Center towers were rigged with explosives to ensure their collapse, that the Pentagon may have been hit by a missile instead of an airliner and that Flight 93 crashed in Shanksville after it was shot down.
"I believe it was shot down," Gold said. The 9/11 Truth site questions why the U.S"
Jon, it wasn't shot down and it couldn't have because to put it quite simply the area in which Flt. 93 crashed only has Apache Helicopters. The nearest airport is the John Murtha Airport located in Johnstown. Which is about 20 miles North of Shanksville.
http://www.flyjohnstownairport.com/about/military-fact-sheet.htm
The 1-104 Attack Reconnaissance Battalion (ARB) employs 27 Active Duty Guard Soldiers, 337 traditional Guard Soldiers and has 16 Apache helicopters stationed in Johnstown. The Army Aviation Support Facility (AASF) employs 111 full time Federal Technicians to support military aviation operations.
That article is 7 years old. You know I wrote a book that talks about the mistakes I've made, and any regrets I have right? You should read it. Also, I do not advocate for the Controlled Demolition of those buildings, and I have never once advocated that anything other than Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.
You should read it.
Sorry Jon, I don't buy bullshit and I don't intend on starting with your lame book.
I do not advocate for the Controlled Demolition of those buildings, and I have never once advocated that anything other than Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.
So you're pulling a Dylan Avery on us aren't you?
Also you lied and said that you were done talking here.
When anonymous people on the internet post things about me in an attempt to paint me a certain way, sometimes I feel the need to respond. No idea what Dylan Avery has to do with anything, but I no longer advocate for the Controlled Demolition of those buildings, and I have never advocated that anything other than Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. In fact, I have said several times over the years that the argument is a detriment. Read my book, and have a nice day!
Some more I dug up about Jon:
http://www.putnampit.com/shorewoodvillage/Barrett/barrettmail02.pdf
How touching it is that Jon actually put his address on there. Now all the neo-cons and government agents can find him.
I Used To Support Kevin Barrett
There's a big section about Barrett in my book. You should read it.
Gee, I hope no one on this site comes to murder me now that you have my address. I have gotten death threats on this site before from anonymous posters.
Should I be concerned about that TruthersrAlwaysWrong with regards to you?
When anonymous people on the internet post things about me in an attempt to paint me a certain way, sometimes I feel the need to respond.
When do we post things on the internet when you posted them yourself numbnuts? All anyone has to do is research about you and find out everything about you, namely using Google.
I have never advocated that anything other than Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.
So you're changing the subject from the widows to Flt. 77 and the Pentagon? Nice tactic!
Read my book, and have a nice day!
Can I use your book in an emergency if I do decide to buy it? I'd like to have something to wipe my ass in case the stores run out of toilet paper again. You don't mind do you?
I have gotten death threats on this site before from anonymous posters.
Since when did I threaten you fatboy?
Should I be concerned about that TruthersrAlwaysWrong with regards to you?
You should be concerned about those neo-cons and government agents coming knocking on your door and hauling you off to the FEMA camps.
I sufficiently addressed the Jersey Girls, and your lie that they are satisfied with the 9/11 Commission's report. You brought up something new, and I addressed that.
Well, I hope no anonymous user on this site comes to murder me. That would be a shame.
and your lie that they are satisfied with the 9/11 Commission's report
They are satisfied and they said on the 10th Anniversary that they're keeping it personal. You're over stepping their personal space, not me.
Prove that I'm lying fatman, I'll give you my e-mail address and give you my cell phone number.
Well, I hope no anonymous user on this site comes to murder me. That would be a shame.
It would be a shame to waste a big pile of chewed up bubble gum, oh I'm sorry Jon, that's you.
Then why did they write a report showing how how poorly the 9/11 Commission answered their questions? Why did they write letter after letter over the years pointing out problems with the official account? Where did they say they were satisfied with the Commission's results? Show me where they said that please.
Then why did they write a report showing how how poorly the 9/11 Commission answered their questions? Why did they write letter after letter over the years pointing out problems with the official account? Where did they say they were satisfied with the Commission's results? Show me where they said that please.
Awe ain't it nice that Jon's JAQing off?
Jon, name ONE THING on the report that was "poorly" do.
"poorly" done" is what I meant.
Right, you can't show me where they said they were satisfied with the Commission's results, because they're not, and have never said anything of the sort.
Pat and James, should I be concerned that someone posted my address on your site, a site that I've gotten death threats on before? Maybe you should think about removing it? I'm just saying... just trying to protect you guys.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/09/september-11-victims-widows-deena-burnett-bailey-kristen-breitweiser_n_954710.html
"We've all sort of moved on into the more private part of our lives," Breitweiser said of her work with the three other suburban New Jersey widows who pressed for the committee. "You get to a certain point where you realize it's just an exercise in futility trying to get anything done in Washington."
Burnett-Bailey, who lives in Little Rock, Ark., said the 9/11 families will continue to recede from national prominence. That is not something she has any regrets about. Other issues and other people, she said, will take the spotlight in the next election: "In 2004 that was 9/11 families, in 2012 it will not be."
If they moved on then that's an indicator that they were satisfied with the 9/11 Commissions findings. And they're backing away from the national spotlight, which is another indication that their questions were fully answered.
Right, you can't show me where they said they were satisfied with the Commission's results, because they're not, and have never said anything of the sort.
I just did numbnuts!
Right, stating that it's an "exercise in futility trying to get anything done in Washington" is a sure sign that they are satisfied with the 9/11 Commission's results... uh huh...
Meanwhile, they continue to support efforts for justice and accountability with regards to 9/11.
Pat and James, should I be concerned that someone posted my address on your site, a site that I've gotten death threats on before?
Ever since I've been here I didn't see anyone posting any kind of death threats to people.
Besides, it's not a "Crime" to research anyone on Google Jon. Don't be scared of the truth that people, like me, can research all about you and post it online. And there's nothing libel about it.
Meanwhile, they continue to support efforts for justice and accountability with regards to 9/11.
Name just 1 Jersey Girl widows that nationally wants their "unanswered questions" asked. Bet You can't do it!
And it has to be this year, 2013.
Kristin Breitweiser, Lorie Van Auken, Mindy Kleinberg, and Patty Casazza have all shown they are not satisfied with the 9/11 Commission's results.
It was Patty Casazza who said that, "believe me if it wasn't for our friend Jon Gold here, and so many other citizen activists, I'm sure the 9/11 movement would have died a long time ago. Um, partly the reason for that is is that, every time we look at the information on 9/11, we die a little. And, I speak from that from personal experience. This is not an easy thing, um, I wish I could do more with the movement myself, but it pains me greatly... Uh, to know that it's 6 plus years, and we still don't have a true investigation into 9/11."
That was at the end of 2007. I can't think of any better reason to help them out. Because it's so hard for them.
Anyway, this discussion is a waste of my time. Please don't come and murder me anonymous TruthersrAlwaysWrong. Thanks.
That was at the end of 2007. I can't think of any better reason to help them out. Because it's so hard for them.
So you have nothing as far there being a current issue (meaning 2013) that the Jersey Girls are asking the nation to help them with their "unanswered questions"?
Yes/No!
Anyway, this discussion is a waste of my time. Please don't come and murder me anonymous TruthersrAlwaysWrong. Thanks.
LMAO! Run away like you did on the Opie & Anthony show Jon. My opinion as well as others MATTER, not just yours.
The only thing I helped you do was murder your own ego. You're welcome!
I'm just sitting here laughing at Jon. He got my goat a bit and I got his and he didn't like it.
See this is why the Truth Movement and their followers are clueless to the fact that their "cause" is worthless and meaningless. They have no evidence for almost 12 yrs. all they can do is target kids and make them think up all types of stupid shit and program it into their minds.
The Truth Movement is DEAD. It was DOA the minute those Towers fell.
Here's a song dedicated to the Truthers. Cause every time we debunk their crazy assinine theories we always "Get Right Back to Where We Started From"
http://www.tvclip.biz/video/pg8UcsvdEHs/right-back-where-we-started-from-maxine-nightingale.html
Come back Jon, I was having fun proving how much of a gullible idiot you are.
You think the Jersey Girls are happy that you handcuffed yourself to the White House fence and got arrested by the Secret Service Jon?
I'm pretty sure they'd be happy to have you as their lawyer/attorney, since you have a criminal record. Yeah, I'd like to see you press for the truth for them on national tv.
You're having a great time pretending that you're smart. But you're not, as anyone can see by reading your posts.
You're having a great time pretending that you're smart. But you're not, as anyone can see by reading your posts.
LOL @ gullible Brian. You think I'm "pretending" to be smart? Really goofball! I got under Jon's skin by looking up everything about him and stumbled upon his address.
According to you I'm not cause I can use Google way more better than you and you know that. Hell I even got your address too there Watson and you know for a fact that I haven't threatened to come knocking on your door and kick your ass. No, I've got better things to do than to kick an old mans dusty balls.
Brian: "Len, how many architects and engineers can you name who will publicly endorse NIST's collapse sequence?"
How many QUALIFIED engineers who've read the NIST reports reject them? I asked you 1st.
And in case you forgot the ASCE endorsed code changes based on NIST's recommendations, I can't think of a better endorsement than that.
Len, anyone who remembers the first law of thermodynamics from college is qualified to reject the NIST report.
ASCE's endorsement of code changes to the width and placement of stairwells does not constitute endorsement of NIST's collapse mechanism.
Pat and James, should I be concerned that someone posted my address on your site, a site that I've gotten death threats on before?
Your address became public information when you used it to register yourbbsucks.
Incidentally, it's bad practice for an activist to let his voter registration expire. That's setting a bad example.
Ah, such a beautful day out here in the northeast. Before I go spend it outdoors with my fiancee, I will remind Jon and Brian that nobody cares about their "widows". They can waste today spamming this blog some more.
Look at yourself, Ian---gleefully dissing the victims of 9/11 even while you gloat about your own good fortune. You're the Ugliest American.
It's not true that "nobody cares". The people who care are somebody. You're nobody. You hide behind a pseudonym so you can lie about yourself and libel others and lie about 9/11 with impunity.
If nobody cares about the widows, then our waging war on two countries on the basis of our alleged grief about their husbands only demonstrates our corruption as a society.
Consider how you would feel if your fiancee were killed in a terrorist attack for which the authorities had been forewarned by 13 foreign countries, 4 FBI offices, and the CIA. Consider how you would feel if they then made political hay from the attacks so that any reasonable person had to suppose that maybe they allowed them to proceed for the political benefit. And then consider how you would feel if the authorities refused to answer your questions.
TAW--only 27 of the widows' 300 questions were answered. A response does not qualify as an answer. You might respond to a question with "Go Fuck Yourself" but that's not an answer. The widows' 300 questions will stand as a monument in history to the corruption of this society and of fools like you.
Ian, the widows' inability to get answers to allay their reasonable suspicions that known upcoming attacks were allowed to proceed for the political benefit is a great injustice--one you seek to blur by babbling about elves and magic and baboon fur.
TAW--only 27 of the widows' 300 questions were answered. A response does not qualify as an answer. You might respond to a question with "Go Fuck Yourself" but that's not an answer. The widows' 300 questions will stand as a monument in history to the corruption of this society and of fools like you.
Who the fuck cares Brian? I don't give a flying fuck what you think, you're not a widower nor are you with the widows. You have nothing gain from the widows, they want nothing to do with creeps like you. You lost the war!
So first you claim that the widows' questions have been answered, and then when your claim is shown to be a lie you must resort to "nobody cares".
Right--nobody cares that you are a liar, 'cause it's obvious, and 'cause nobody makes any effort to make this blog a locus of serious discussion.
So first you claim that the widows' questions have been answered, and then when your claim is shown to be a lie you must resort to "nobody cares".
Awe your crying aren't ya? Prove that what I say is a "lie". Don't sit there and say it's a "lie" just because you feel like it. Provide a source that it is or sit there and vegetate like you always do.
Right--nobody cares that you are a liar....
Wow, that makes you a liar now since you're the one that really cares about what we say.
IRONY!
nobody makes any effort to make this blog a locus of serious discussion.
Who do you think you are Brian, Moses?
Your claim is a lie because it's not true and you had no evidence that it was true.
Well, I return and I see Brian is still babbling hysterically about "widows", just as I expected.
Brian, nobody cares about your "widows" and they have no questions. The sooner you accept this, the sooner you can check yourself into a psychiatric hospital for the care you desperately need.
Offtopic: I'll just leave this here.
This is hilarious. Brian wastes his time making elaborate signs (eh, why not? It's not like he has a job or friends or family to occupy his time) and stands around annoying people.
I sometimes think Brian's entire goal in life is to piss people off. It's kind of hard to get the truthers so pissed off that they ban you from their cult, but Brian somehow managed it.
Your claim is a lie because it's not true and you had no evidence that it was true.
Irony yet again! Isn't there anything you can say that isn't ironic Brian?
Ian, I'm not babbling about anything. I'm stating quite clearly and demonstrably that the widows' 300 questions got only 27 answers.
It was hardly a waste of time to protest Obama's drone campaign outside the local Obama campaign HQ. Several of the Democratic activists who came to campaign activities expressed agreement--they were disgusted with Obama but held their noses because they were so afraid of Romney. The drone campaign has since then subject to public debate nationally.
If I'm not pissing off hypocrites, liars, bigots, and con artists I'm not doing my job. I was never banned from any truther cult. I did piss off some people who had invested their public images and money in stupid schemes such as the Citizen Investigation Team, Kevin Barrett and his bigoted "Truth Jihad" campaign, and William Rodriguez's blatant con artistry. Some people have a hard time admitting when they're wrong--like you, for instance.
TAW, you don't know what irony is.
Ian, I'm not babbling about anything. I'm stating quite clearly and demonstrably that the widows' 300 questions got only 27 answers.
False.
The drone campaign has since then subject to public debate nationally.
Not because of your idiocy.
If I'm not pissing off hypocrites, liars, bigots, and con artists I'm not doing my job
You don't have a job, Brian. You're unemployed and you live with your parents.
Ian, you don't know anything about my professional life, and what you think you know is simply your own invention.
Ian, you don't know anything about my professional life, and what you think you know is simply your own invention.
Squeal squeal squeal!
Hey Brian, have the widows had their questions answered yet?
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!
Thanks for proving my point, Skidmark.
Thanks for proving my point, Skidmark.
Brian, you didn't answer my question.
Have the widows had their questions answered yet?
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!
By what perverted logic is the fact that the widows have not had their questions answered used as a justification for the notion that the quest to get their questions answered is illegitimate?
So Brian admits his abject failure, in that years and years of posting dumbspam at this blog has not gotten a single questions from the widows answered. Not one.
Brian fails again, as always.
Ian, the government's failure to address the widows' questions is not my failure.
You may as well jeer at someone who's been trying to cure cancer, or fighting illiteracy or hunger, because cancer and illiteracy and hunger still exist.
I'm doing a very good job of establishing the fact of the government's failure, and of demonstrating the need for answers to the questions.
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