The 9/11 conspiracy theorist who changed his mind
Bit of an old story, but the Telegraph has an interesting interview with Charlie Veitch, the Truther who rejoined the world of the rational.
On a June afternoon in the middle of New York’s Times Square, Charlie Veitch took out his phone, turned on the camera and began recording a statement about the 2001 destruction of the World Trade Center.
“I was a real firm believer in the conspiracy that it was a controlled demolition,” he started. “That it was not in any way as the official story explained. But, this universe is truly one of smoke screens, illusions and wrong paths. If you are presented with new evidence, take it on, even if it contradicts what you or your group want to believe. You have to give the truth the greatest respect, and I do.”
posted by James B. @ 6:35 PM
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If you are presented with new evidence, take it on, even if it contradicts what you or your group want to believe.
The problem is that religious nutcases (which is what truthers are) will reject any evidence that contradicts holy writ.
Take our resident lunatic Brian Good. He sounds quite sane when discussing various heretical sects in the truth movement, such at CIT or the no-planers. But once he starts talking about the One True Faith, it's a smorgasbord of hilarious insanity about meatballs and rakes and nomadic fires and magic spray-on thermite and invisible silent explosives.
I imagine a salafist fanatic would be well aware of everything that Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Shi'a Islam, or Sufi Islam gets wrong, but would never acknowledge anything wrong with his own brand of Islam. It's the One True Faith.
Is there any evidence that Charklie Veitch was a truther before he decided he wasn't? I certainly had never heard of him.
Ian, in order to argue from ridicule one must have a superior understanding of the issues. Your understanding does not support an argument from ridicule.
Is there any evidence that Charklie Veitch was a truther before he decided he wasn't? I certainly had never heard of him.
Ian, in order to argue from ridicule one must have a superior understanding of the issues. Your understanding does not support an argument from ridicule.
I, Brian "meatball on a fork" Good, was chatting to an Arab about all the pain we felt on 9/11/2001. I should know -- I caught my foreskin in my zipper that day. Which, by the way, was the 9th of November.
And don't forget, the best thing about 9/11 was my house climbed 2 spots in the world's tallest building ranks.
Additionally I, Brian "meatball on a fork" Good, couldn't possibly be Petgoat. I'm not! i'm not! I'm not!
"Ian, 'meatball on a fork' is so obvious to anyone who understands the 1st law of thermodynamics and Newton's third law that there's no need to publish it anywhere."
"What exactly is idiotic about rake-on-rake and meatball-on-a-fork modelings? Do you perhaps have some cognitive defects in the area of analogies? Don't worry, lots of people with subnormal intelligence do."
Ian, what makes you think I'm a liar?
Take our resident lunatic Brian Good. He sounds quite sane when discussing various heretical sects in the truth movement, such at CIT or the no-planers. But once he starts talking about the One True Faith, it's a smorgasbord of hilarious insanity about meatballs and rakes and nomadic fires and magic spray-on thermite and invisible silent explosives.
"UtterFail, meatball-on-a-fork actually quite aptly addresses the divergent weight-to-resistance ratios between the core and the outer floors. But I can't expect a graphical illiterate like you to understand that."
Me lie?
Ian, you lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie.
Ian, if you suck on lollipops, ring-pops, baby pacifiers, or any such nonsense, rest assured, you are a Gaylord. A straight man only sucks on bar-b-que ribs, crab claws, raw oysters, crayfish guts, pickled pigs feet, or big, gnarly tits. Anything else and you are in training to suck El Dicko and undeniably a fag. Trust me, I'm Brian "meatball on a fork" Good, and I'm an intellectual giant. M'kay?
Why couldn't I, Brian "meatball on a fork" Good, the gayest quarterback ever, make it in the NFL?
I was too forward with my passes.
When I had NAMBLA historian David Thorstad, NAMBLA's the late Allen Ginsburg and NAMBLA's chickenhawk journalist Bill Andriette over for "coffee," how did we know when it was bedtime at my condo?
When the big hand touches the little hand.
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Petgoat, you seem to be trying ro exercise the "Samson Option" here--tearing down the hall because you can not win.
Is there any evidence that Charlie Veitch was a truther before he decided he wasn't? I certainly had never heard of him.
Take our resident lunatic Brian Good. He sounds quite sane when discussing various heretical sects in the truth movement, such at CIT or the no-planers. But once he starts talking about the One True Faith, it's a smorgasbord of hilarious insanity about meatballs and rakes and nomadic fires and magic spray-on thermite and invisible silent explosives.
Ian, what makes you think I"m a liar? I never said a word about 'silent explosives.'
All of your quality posters have left because they got tired of me making fools of them. Only the lying and foolish sludge like you remains.
You lie and lie and lie.
I see, you don't have evidence that explosives planted inside hollow core columns, that bulged out the column walls to weaken them but did not rupture the walls, would transmit sound to the outside. Thanks for proving that your ridicule of the concept of "silent explosives" is without any factual basis.
I'm a font of troof!
One day I had an argument with my boifriend at a gay bar in Menlo Park.
We got sooooooooooo mad we went outside to exchange blows.
What do you call a gay fly?
A fruit fly!
Petgoat, you seem to be trying to exercise the "Samson Option" here--tearing down the hall because you can not win.
Is there any evidence that Charlie Veitch was a truther before he decided he wasn't? I certainly had never heard of him.
How do I, butch homosexual gangster, Brian "meatball on a fork" Good, do a drive by?
I throw skittles at you and say, "Taste the rainbow bitches."
Oh my Gaaaaaaawd! Vending machines are soooooooooooooooooooooooooo homophobic. I'm truly sorry my dollar is not straight enough for you, you big brute.
Butt seriously Cecil, cum on, gay jokes aren't funny.
Life is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo unfair.
After all, if a girl bangs 5 guys in a year, she's a slut. If a guy does it, he's gay -- definitely gay.
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Petgoat, you seem determined to try to exercise the "Samson Option" here--tearing down the hall because you can not win.
snug.bug said:"Is there any evidence that Charlie Veitch was a truther before he decided he wasn't? I certainly had never heard of him."
LOL Obviously Brian's crack research into this did not include a) reading the linked article, b) searching this blog or c) an Internet search. And he wonders why he's ridiculed.
Is there any evidence that Charklie Veitch was a truther before he decided he wasn't? I certainly had never heard of him.
Brian, I wouldn't expect you to know all the truthers. After all, you were banned from the truth movement for being a liar and sex stalker.
Ian, in order to argue from ridicule one must have a superior understanding of the issues.
Which I have. Remember, Brian, I'm the successful professional with a masters degree. You're an unemployed janitor who failed out of San Jose State.
Petgoat, you seem to be trying ro exercise the "Samson Option" here--tearing down the hall because you can not win.
Brian, we've already won. The truth movement is dead, which is why there's nothing left to do except mock you for being a 60-year-old man who has no job and lives with his parents.
Is there any evidence that Charlie Veitch was a truther before he decided he wasn't? I certainly had never heard of him.
Nobody cares.
Let's also remember that whenever I bring up the widows and their 273 unanswered questions, Brian immediately tries to bury my point in spam. He has said that there are no widows and no questions.
Pathetic. No wonder Brian was banned from the truth movement. They don't want a lunatic who takes pleasure in the widows' pain.
Take our resident lunatic Brian Good. He sounds quite sane when discussing various heretical sects in the truth movement, such at CIT or the no-planers. But once he starts talking about the One True Faith, it's a smorgasbord of hilarious insanity about meatballs and rakes and nomadic fires and magic spray-on thermite and invisible silent explosives.
Ian, there is no evidence that Charlie Veitch was a truther before he decided he wasn't. I certainly had never heard of him.
Ian, what makes you think I'm a liar?
Looks like there's a changing of the guard in the Troof Movement. The WAC-NY crew finally got off their butts and organized some festivities in NYC for the ninth anniversary celebration. But note who's highlighted at the top: Box Boy Gage, Cindy Sheehan, Cynthia McKinney, and Jason Bermas. And who comes down (faster than freefall) at the bottom: Waterboy Kevin Ryan, Steven Jones and Niels Harrit. In what they call "the big event", here are the featured speakers: Colleen Rowely, Anthony Shaffer, Cynthia Mckinney, Cindy Sheehan, Richard Gage, First Responder Major Mike McCormick, Charlie Veitch, Jason Bermas, Gary Franchi, Bob Shulz, Christine Ebersole, Daniel Sunjata and many more from the Saturday and Sunday panels.
I'm a paragon of troof.
Ian, you lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie.
Len, so do you have evidence that Charlie Veitch was a truther other than an unsubstantiated claim at ScrewLooseChange that he appeared at an event hosted by WAC?
Don't you think that any guy with a credit card could BS WAC?
" He sounds quite sane when discussing various heretical sects in the truth movement, such at CIT or the no-planers. But once he starts talking about the One True Faith, it's a smorgasbord of hilarious insanity"
In that respect he's no different from other 'responsible' truthers. Hoffman is a prime example. He posted the best debunkings I've seen of 'free fall collapse', 'the Pentagon was hit by a missile/ drone etc.' and a few of the other kookier theories. But he also pimps 'thermite ceiling tiles' and 'pyroclastic flow' and he's exponentially more intelligent than Brian and may even have an above average IQ.
Brian reread what I wrote (emphasis added for those who need it):
"LOL Obviously Brian's crack research into this did not include a) reading the linked article, b) searching this blog or c) an Internet search. And he wonders why he's ridiculed."
Also the SLC post was NOT "unsubstantiated" there is a still working link to page on the WAC website.
And you wonder why you're ridiculed
Brian, we've already won. The truth movement is dead, which is why there's nothing left to do except mock you for being a 60-year-old man who has no job and lives with his parents.
Ian, there's no evidence that Charlie Veitch was a truther before he decided he wasn't. I'm always right and I never lie. They told me so at 911Flogger.
Looks like there's a changing of the guard in the Troof Movement. The WAC-NY crew finally got off their butts and organized some festivities in NYC for the ninth anniversary celebration. But note who's highlighted at the top: Box Boy Gage, Cindy Sheehan, Cynthia McKinney, and Jason Bermas. And who comes down (faster than freefall) at the bottom: Waterboy Kevin Ryan, Steven Jones and Niels Harrit. In what they call "the big event", here are the featured speakers: Colleen Rowely, Anthony Shaffer, Cynthia Mckinney, Cindy Sheehan, Richard Gage, First Responder Major Mike McCormick, Charlie Veitch, Jason Bermas, Gary Franchi, Bob Shulz, Christine Ebersole, Daniel Sunjata and many more from the Saturday and Sunday panels.
I am da troof.
Ian, you lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie.
Len, your belief that SLC's claim is "substantiated" is a real hoot. A link to a 2013 web page is substantiation only for the lazy and Confirmation biased.
Also the SLC post was NOT "unsubstantiated" there is a still working link to page on the WAC website...And you wonder why you're ridiculed
Len, you're a liar. I refuse to click on or even acknowledge the link to an article dated 2010 to 911Flogger that proves Charlie Veitch was a truther before he decided he wasn't.
Len, what makes you think I'm a lair?
Len, why do youse guy lie and lie and lie and lie and lie?
I am da troofy troof.
Petgoat, your belief that SLC's claim is "substantiated" is a real hoot.
Your link goes to WAC's 2013 web page, and says nothing about Charlie Veitch. It's substantiation only for the lazy and confirmation biased.
And you wonder why you're ridiculed
Len, I would never lie about the link to 911Flogger that proves Charlie Veitch was a truther before he decided he wasn't.
http://911blogger.com/news/2010-08-26/91110-nyc-events-and-schedule-lets-show-world
You lie and lie and lie.
Your link does not prove Charlie Veitch was a truther before he decided he wasn't.
And you wonder why you're ridiculed
Len, what makes you think I'm a liar?
Everyone knows the link to 911Flogger is a mirror of the September 11 2010 WAC-NYC ninth anniversary celebration where Charlie Veitch was invited speak alongside Colleen Rowely, Anthony Shaffer, Cynthia Mckinney, Cindy Sheehan, Richard Gage, First Responder Major Mike McCormick, Jason Bermas, Gary Franchi, Bob Shulz, Christine Ebersole, Daniel Sunjata and many more from the Saturday and Sunday panels.
The link doesn't exist or prove anything because I say so. No evidence to support my assertions are necessary.
I'm the way, the light and da troof.
Len, you lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie.
Your link does not prove Charlie Veitch was a truther before he decided he wasn't.
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snug.bug said: 'Len, your belief that SLC's claim is "substantiated" is a real hoot. A link to a 2013 web page is substantiation only for the lazy and Confirmation biased.'
Yes my bad, the link is to an expired page and thus redirects to the current WAC homepage but if you plug the link into the Wayback Machine you'll see that the Veitch was indeed a featured speaker, and despite your protestations to the contrary the Flogger page demonstrates the same thing. And speaking of “lazy” you did NOT bother to a) read the linked article, b) searching this blog c) do an Internet search or d) plug the link into the Wayback Machine. If you had you would've found such proof.
You calling others lazy is like Billy Barty calling others 'shorty'. And you wonder why you're ridiculed.
Poor Brian. He's hysterical because Charlie Veitch finally figured out that 9/11 truth is utter nonsense.
Brian, on the other hand, being a worthless liar and failed janitor, needs 9/11 truth to give his life meaning. It's quite sad.
Brian, on the other hand, being a worthless liar and failed janitor, needs 9/11 truth to give his life meaning. It's quite sad.
Ian, what makes you think I'm a liar?
I would never lie about the link to Wayback Machine that proves Charlie Veitch was a truther before he decided he wasn't.
I'm the omniscient, omnipotent and da troof.
Len, you lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie.
Poor Brian. He's hysterical because Charlie Veitch finally figured out that 9/11 truth is utter nonsense.
Ian, what makes you think I'm a liar?
I'm not a liar. I'm not. I'm not! Charlie Veitch was never a troofer
I'm all about da troof.
Len, you lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie.
Ian, when does a pentagon have four sides?
When it intersects a plane.
Len, you lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie.
Completely ignoring the moronic Brian Good related sniping, this is an amazingly great article. My personal favorite quote is:
"Looking back, he describes the conspiracy community as an “evil-worshipping paranoia. As someone who’s been deep in it, and seen the hatred and the insanity, I think big terrorist attacks will come from conspiracy theorists.”"
Len, it's not my job to substantiate your unsubstantiated claims. I simply pointed out that they were unsubstantiated.
You were ignorant of something that was common knowledge among truthers and debunkers. You asked for evidence with having made a minimal effort to find it yourself. You could sing the chorus of a Sex Pistols tune and it would be the most accurate thing you've said about yourself in a long long time:
I'M A LAZY SOD I'M A LAZY SOD
I'M A LAZY SOD I'M SO LAZY
I'M A LAZY SOD I'M A LAZY SNUG
I'M A LAZY SOD I'M SO LAZY
I CAN'T EVEN BE BOTHERD
I have no interest in Charlie Veitch, and don't need to have any interest in him. That doesn't make me lazy. I have no need to investigate him.
I asked you to substantiate your claim and all you could do was wave empty books and claim everybody knows.
I have no interest in Charlie Veitch, and don't need to have any interest in him. That doesn't make me lazy. I have no need to investigate him.
Of course not. You need to protect yourself from those evil heretics who might put satanic thoughs in your head. You need to stay on the righteous path and continue your worship of Richard Gage (pbuh).
I asked you to substantiate your claim and all you could do was wave empty books and claim everybody knows.
False. The claim has been substantiated.
Speaking of substantiating claims, remember when you said you would debate Willie Rodriguez and then you ran away squealing and crying when he accepted your challenge? Yeah, that was hilarious. That's probably why you don't want to talk about Veitch. I mean, he could agree to debate you, and you'd have to run away squealing and crying once again because you're a pathetic coward and liar.
http://911scholars.ning.com/profile/BrianGood
Hey Brian, have you gotten a normal haircut yet, or do you still sport that hideous homeless mullet?
Len's claim wasn't substantiated. He made empty claims about archive.org and Veitch's blog. One observer based in the UK who could be expected to be familiar with Veitch's background wrote "Charlie is not a prominent person in the 9/11 truth movement. He's just a general activist who has only mentioned 9/11 every now and then."
http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2011/07/charlie-veitch-wtf.html
Oh, and does anyone have any insight about the alleged email at JREF in which Willie allegedly claims that he has a college degree and refers to his job as a janitor in Scare Quotes?
Where is Willie anyway? He ran away squealing and crying. I hope Elvis is all right!
Len's claim wasn't substantiated. He made empty claims about archive.org and Veitch's blog. One observer based in the UK who could be expected to be familiar with Veitch's background wrote..[cites fellow lying troofer as "evidence."]
That's why Charlie Veitch was invited to speak at the September 11 2010 WAC-NYC ninth anniversary celebration. In fact, as this hyperlink proves beyond a doubt, Charlie Veitch was invited to speak alongside Colleen Rowely, Anthony Shaffer, Cynthia Mckinney, Cindy Sheehan, Richard Gage, First Responder Major Mike McCormick, Jason Bermas, Gary Franchi, Bob Shulz, Christine Ebersole, Daniel Sunjata and many more from the Saturday and Sunday panels. But Charlie Veiotch isn't a prominent troofer because me and my fellow compulsive liars say so. Got it?
So I'll continue to lie like a rug and deny the truth while the evidence slaps me in my lying face.
So Ian, what makes you think I'm a liar?
I'm the light and da troof. And I have a masters degree in prevarication to prove it.
You've provided no evidence that Charlie Veitch was a prominent truther. He's one of six people on the roster (out of fifteen) that I'd never heard of.
Probably he gave WAC a nice donation and that convinced them that he was a truther.
Probably he gave WAC a nice donation and that convinced them that he was a truther.
There you go, gurls! When some naive clown provides the proof to show that I lied about Charlie Veitch, all I can resort to are lies, smears and innuendo. Facts? Evidence? What's that?
So Len, what makes you think I'm a liar?
I'm omniscient, omnipresent and the personification of da troof. I'm da troof incarnate. That's why I lie like Satan's minion.
Saudi Arabia, Richard Blee, George Tenet, NORAD, Whistleblowers ignored by the 9/11 Commission, Philip Zelikow, etc... etc... etc...
Controlled Demolition is not the defining argument for the cause of 9/11 Justice and never has been (though certain elements have tried to make it that way... oh boy, I have a "conspiracy theory").
Jon, it's certainly possible that NIST deliberately wrote an unscientific, dishonest, and incomplete report precisely to fuel conspiracy theories and take some of the heat off Bush.
I suspect that Mr. Silverstein's "pull it" nonsense and the Mossad's "Dancing Israelis" stunt were done for that reason as well.
I could be convinced that fire brought those buildings down, but NIST didn't even try to convince--they just snowed us.
I've always thought it was unfortunate that the scientific wing of the truth movement (and its uncritical admirers) chose to overconfidently push the controlled demolition theory to the detriment of simple, sober, provable points about the inadequacy of the official investigations and the need for new ones.
Unfortunately, conspiracy theories achieve short-term and visible benefits for their proponents and the long-term damage is invisible.
Jon, it's certainly possible that NIST deliberately wrote an unscientific, dishonest, and incomplete report precisely to fuel conspiracy theories and take some of the heat off Bush.
Yes, it's possible. The more likely explanation is that the report has been accepted by the scientific community, given that the only objections to it come from an failed janitor, liar, and lunatic who lives with his parents.
I suspect that Mr. Silverstein's "pull it" nonsense and the Mossad's "Dancing Israelis" stunt were done for that reason as well.
No, this is just the delusions of the anti-semitic lunatics who infest the truth movement.
I could be convinced that fire brought those buildings down, but NIST didn't even try to convince--they just snowed us.
Nobody cares what you could be convinced of. You're a failed janitor who spends all his time posting spam on blogs because you have no job.
I've always thought it was unfortunate that the scientific wing of the truth movement (and its uncritical admirers) chose to overconfidently push the controlled demolition theory to the detriment of simple, sober, provable points about the inadequacy of the official investigations and the need for new ones.
"Scientific wing". That's hilarious, Brian. Who are these scientists? Judy Wood? Bill Deagle? They're certainly more qualified to speak about science than a liar who failed out of San Jose State like you.
Unfortunately, conspiracy theories achieve short-term and visible benefits for their proponents and the long-term damage is invisible.
Yup, 9/11 truth was flavor of the month back in 2006 and now it's dead. If only you had something, anything worthwhile to do with your life, you would have given it up long ago.
Lazy Snug a simple Google search reveals Charlie Veitch was once an important truther, perhaps the most important one in the UK after Delores decided s/he was Jesus.
Jon Gold whines, "...Saudi Arabia, Richard Blee, George Tenet, NORAD, Whistleblowers ignored by the 9/11 Commission, Philip Zelikow, etc... etc... etc..."
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....
Jon Gold inhales another Big Mac and croaks, "...Controlled Demolition is not the defining argument for the cause of 9/11 Justice and never has been (though certain elements have tried to make it that way... oh boy, I have a 'conspiracy theory')."
Give it up, fat boi. Anyone who's familiar with the 9/11 "truth" movement knows that 9/11 "truthers" don't agree on anything. In fact, when so-called 9/11 "truthers" disagree, they call one another "provocateurs," "tools," "government agents," etc. Hell, I'll bet a months pay that every 9/11 "truther" has been called a "CIA agent" -- by other "truthers."
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Brian Good's (aka, "snug.bug") Insane Homeless Mullet for sex predators. (Credit to Mike Rosefierce).
9/11 Sex Stalker Brian Good Unmasked!
LIan, you're stictly NWOR.
Len, I see you just make more empty claims, and now the Great Big Book you're waving is Google.
UtterFail, you're NWOR.
Tell us about it. mommy's boi.
If you want "NWOR," have a look in the mirror, liar.
After all, even your fellow troofer, the Big Mac inhaler, Jon Gold, refuses to respond to your prattle.
No group considers your incoherent babbling and never-ending stream of lies more "NWOR" than the troofers.
Even the troofers hate you, Pinocchio. It sucks to be you, Lothario.
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Brian Good's (aka, "snug.bug") Insane Homeless Mullet for sex predators. (Credit to Mike Rosefierce).
9/11 Sex Stalker Brian Good Unmasked!
LIan, you're stictly NWOR.
Len, I see you just make more empty claims, and now the Great Big Book you're waving is Google.
UtterFail, you're NWOR.
Yup, that's our Brian. He runs away squealing and crying every time I humiliate him.
Also, it doesn't surprise me that Brian doesn't know Charlie Veitch. After all, Brian was banned from the truth movement for being a liar and a lunatic. An organization that counts esteemed researchers like Judy Wood, Jim Fetzer, and Bill Deagle among its ranks isn't going to have its reputation sullied by a failed janitor who wears women's underwear.
So Brian, the fact that you don't recognize Charlie Veitch is just more proof that you've been banned from the truth movment. Thanks for proving my point.
snug.bug said: "Len, I see you just make more empty claims, and now the Great Big Book you're waving is Google."
I'm not going to waste my time posting dozens of links, you will just rationalize away. His importance to the movement was common knowledge, no one but you disputes this. He was certainly more important that Broulett ever was. Your acting like an ignorant ostrich doesn't change facts.
Len, I didn't ask you to post dozens of links. I didn't even ask you to post one link. I merely pointed out that your claim that what's-his-name was a prominent truther was unsubstantiated. It remains unsubstantiated.
Carol Brouillet organized the first demonstrations calling for investigations of 9/11--early in 2002. She also organized the first U.S. 9/11 conference, the San Francisco International Inquiry into 9/11, in 2004.
She was very important in the 9/11 truth movement--important enough to be neutralized by William Rodriguez.
So nobody has any comment on Willie's alleged email at JREF claiming that Willie had a college degree and putting Scare Quotes on the word "janitors"?
His importance to the movement was common knowledge, no one but you disputes this. He was certainly more important that Broulett ever was. Your acting like an ignorant ostrich doesn't change facts.
You keep making empty claims about common knowledge without substantiation.
Veitch is only important to you because he decided he wasn't a truther. You provide no evidence that he was ever important to anyone else.
Len, I'm such a coward and liar that I won't look at anything that calls my delusional belief system into question. Had I bothered to read the article James B. linked in the OP, I would have found the following passage:
"Back in his hotel room, he phoned his girlfriend. 'I don’t think 9/11 was an inside job,' confessed Veitch. For a moment, there was silence. 'You’re probably just tired,' she said. But by the third day of filming Veitch was so excited by what he’d learnt he decided to post his thoughts on his YouTube channel. And that was when all hell broke loose.
"'It was relentless,' he says. 'A guy in Manchester set up a YouTube channel called ‘Kill Charlie Veitch’. It said, ‘Charlie, I hope you know I’m going to come and kill you. Enjoy your last few days. Goodbye.’ So many hate videos were posted – my face superimposed on a pig and someone’s killing the pig.' Another message featured images of his sister’s young children incorporated within a video of child pornography.
"David Icke posted a message saying that Veitch would come to 'deeply regret what he has done', and emailed saying, 'Don’t write to me. I don’t know you, mate.' Alex Jones posted a film in which he claimed he’d known 'all along', and that Veitch had 'psychopath, sociopath eyes'. His mother called, devastated, believing the paedophilia 'confession' which she’d been emailed, along with 15,000 others, was real."
David Icke, a prominent conspiracy theorist and 9/11 "truther" issued a veiled death threat, while another prominent 9/11 "truther," Alex Jones, went so far as to make a film about Charlie Veitch. The 9/11 "truthers" even sent poison pen emails, accusing Charlie Veitch of pedophilia, to 15,000 of his former followers -- including Charlie Veitch's mother.
So yeah, Charlie Veitch was totally insignificant -- a veritable nothing. See, I'm always right, Len, evidence be damned. If I said it, it's true. No ifs ands or butts.
So Len, what makes you think I'm a liar?
Ian, you lie and lie and lie and lie and lie and lie.
snug.bug said: "Carol Brouillet organized the first demonstrations calling for investigations of 9/11--early in 2002. She also organized the first U.S. 9/11 conference, the San Francisco International Inquiry into 9/11, in 2004."
Get back to us with evidence your fantasy girlfriend did the things you claimed she did.
Len, if you truly understood who you're debating, you would delete your last comment.
I will use your challenge to substantiate my claim as regards Carol Brouillet to bury my lies about Charlie Veitch in an avalanche of lies, distortions, myths, half-truths and squealspam.
You proved I lied about Charlie Veitch -- you've got me by the balls. Don't give me an opening. If you give me an opening, I'll exploit it for all it's worth.
Len, I lost the debate and my lies about Charlie Veitch are self-evident. Now I must change the subject to bury my lies.
Here's how I get you to take the bait and do my bidding for me.
Carol Brouillet organized the first demonstrations calling for investigations of 9/11--early in 2002. She also organized the first U.S. 9/11 conference, the San Francisco International Inquiry into 9/11, in 2004...She was very important in the 9/11 truth movement--important enough to be neutralized by William Rodriguez...So nobody has any comment on Willie's alleged email at JREF claiming that Willie had a college degree and putting Scare Quotes on the word "janitors"?
Do you see how the scam works, Len?
I make provocative comments about Carol Brouillet and William Rodriguez in the hope that you'll take the bait and change the subject, then I'll bury my lies about Charlie Veitch in an mountain of squealspam. In other words, you'll do my dirty work for me. Sucker.
The moral of the story; Ignore your enemy and his troll tactics at your peril.
Bad new, Brian. I spoke to Carol Brouillet, and she said she knew Charlie Veitch was a truther, and claimed he was one of the more prominent members of the movement.
I asked her if it was possible to be a truther and not know who Veitch is. She said it's not possible.
So the fact that you don't know who Veitch is just proves you've been banned from the movement for stalking Carol Brouillet.
Len, it's common knowledge that Carol Brouillet organized the first demonstrations calling for investigations of 9/11--early in 2002. She also organized the first U.S. 9/11 conference, the San Francisco International Inquiry into 9/11, in 2004.
You only make empty claims that Veitch's status as a "prominent truther" was "common knowledge". You don't name anything that made him prominent. I've seen no evidence that he was anything other that just another anarchist kid with an attitude and a bankroll.
Ian, the hearsay accounts of an anonymous liar are worse than useless.
So nobody has any comment on Willie's alleged email at JREF claiming that Willie had a college degree and putting Scare Quotes on the word "janitors"?
Len, I'm a compulsive liar who will continue to lie while the evidence that I'm a filthy liar stares me straight in the face.
"Back in his hotel room, he phoned his girlfriend. 'I don’t think 9/11 was an inside job,' confessed Veitch. For a moment, there was silence. 'You’re probably just tired,' she said. But by the third day of filming Veitch was so excited by what he’d learnt he decided to post his thoughts on his YouTube channel. And that was when all hell broke loose.
“'It was relentless,' he says. 'A guy in Manchester set up a YouTube channel called ‘Kill Charlie Veitch’. It said, ‘Charlie, I hope you know I’m going to come and kill you. Enjoy your last few days. Goodbye.’ So many hate videos were posted – my face superimposed on a pig and someone’s killing the pig.' Another message featured images of his sister’s young children incorporated within a video of child pornography.
"David Icke posted a message saying that Veitch would come to 'deeply regret what he has done', and emailed saying, 'Don’t write to me. I don’t know you, mate.' Alex Jones posted a film in which he claimed he’d known 'all along', and that Veitch had 'psychopath, sociopath eyes'. His mother called, devastated, believing the paedophilia 'confession' which she’d been emailed, along with 15,000 others, was real."
Now I'll try to claim that David Icke and Alex Jones aren't prominent troofers.
Besides I can't be bothered to read the article James B. linked into the OP. After all, I'm not here to debate, I'm here to spam SLC with lies and nonsense. Now I'm trying to start up the merry-go-round again.
Isn't insanity fun? I'm barking mad and proud of it!
I read the article, ButtGale. It doesn't provide any evidence that Veitch was a prominent truther.
See, I'll lie while the evidence stares me straight in the face and make no attempt to substantiate my asinine assertions.
So Len, what makes you think I'm a liar?
Ian, you lie and lie and lie and lie and lie.
I read the article, ButtGale. It doesn't provide any evidence that Veitch was a prominent truther.
See, I can't support my assertions with evidence.
So Len, what makes you think I'm a liar?
Ian, you lie and lie and lie and lie and lie.
The article doesn't provide any evidence that Veitch was a prominent truther.
See, when I can't support my lies and nonsense with evidence, I pretend I'm an authority and continue to lie. Everyone knows that David Icke and Alex aren't real truthers. And all the proof I need is "I said it, therefore it's true," garnished with 'No True Scotsman fallacy.'
So Len, what makes you think I'm a liar?
Ian, you lie and lie and lie and lie and lie.
The article doesn't provide any evidence that Veitch was a prominent truther. If you think I'm mistaken about that, prove it.
See, when I can't support my assertions with evidence, I pretend that it's not my responsibility to support my assertions and try to shift the burden of proof.
So Len, what makes you think I'm a liar?
Ian, you lie and lie and lie and lie and lie.
The article itself is evidence that it doesn't provide any evidence that Veitch was a prominent truther.
The fact that he was so easily bullied by the BBC's "experts" would suggest that he really didn't know very much about 9/11 at all.
He doesn't even have a wikipedia page. How "prominent" is that?
You only make empty claims that Veitch's status as a "prominent truther" was "common knowledge". You don't name anything that made him prominent. I've seen no evidence that he was anything other that just another anarchist kid with an attitude and a bankroll.
Carol Brouillet says that Veitch was a prominent truther. Sorry Brian, but you've been pwn3ed again.
It doesn't provide any evidence that Veitch was a prominent truther.
Carol Brouillet told me Veitch was a prominent truther. I'll take her word over that of a worthless failed janitor who lives with his parents and was banned from the truth movement.
The fact that he was so easily bullied by the BBC's "experts" would suggest that he really didn't know very much about 9/11 at all.
Says the liar who babbles about magic thermite elves and their role in destroying the WTC.
Bad news, Brian. I've spoken to other leading truthers, including Jim Fetzer, Judy Wood, Kevin Barrett, Craig Ranke, and Bill Deagle. They all agreed that Veitch was a prominent truther. They also were not surprised that you don't know him, since you were banned from the truth movement years ago for stalking Carol Brouillet.
Lian seems to think lying is clever.
Ian, remember, David Icke and Alex Jones are not prominent truthers. David Icke's veiled death threat and Alex Jones' videos about Charlie Veitch prove nothing because I say so. I mean, don't Alex Jones and David Icke always waste their time on nobodies like Charlie Veitch?
Remember, if I, Brian "Meatball on a fork" Good, said it, it's undeniably true. No evidence is required.
So Ian, what makes you think I'm a liar?
Len, you lie and lie and lie and lie and lie.
Veiled death threats? You're balmy. Did Alex Jones ever make a video about Veitch before Veitch decided he wasn't a truther?
No wikipedia page. Veitch isn't a prominent anything.
Also note that Alex's "exposé" of Veitch has a big 176 views. Big Whoop.
Meanwhile, 1930 architects and engineers are calling for new investigations of 9/11.
The existence of a Wikipedia page doesn't prove anything. Kind of like the 100% fact-free Wikipedia puff piece I wrote for Carol Brouillet -- which contains not a SINGLE FOOTNOTE -- proves nothing.
Remember, I, Brian "Meatball on a fork" Good, don't understand the concept of proof or evidence -- but I'm a prolific liar, so worship me because I'm da troof incarnate.
So Ian, what makes you think I'm a liar?
Len, you lie and lie and lie and lie and lie.
Lack of a wikipedia page is an indication of lack of notability.
For instance, "Guitar Bill" has no wiki page. "Ian" has no wiki page.
And "Charlie Veitch" has no wiki page.
Lian seems to think lying is clever.
Where did I lie?
Meanwhile, 1930 architects and engineers are calling for new investigations of 9/11.
Nobody cares about your invisible architects and engineers.
Lack of a wikipedia page is an indication of lack of notability.
Well, yes, but remember Brian, we're talking about a pathetic little crackpot cult here with 9/11 truth. Even the most notable truther is probably less well-known than the mayor of Minot, North Dakota.
For instance, "Guitar Bill" has no wiki page. "Ian" has no wiki page.
Nobody cares.
And "Charlie Veitch" has no wiki page.
Nobody cares.
So the final consensus is that Veitch was a prominent truther who abandoned the movement when he realized that it's a bunch of nonsense, and that everyone in the movement is either a liar or a crackpot.
And Brian Good is a pathetic unemployed janitor who lives with his parents and has a hideous homeless mullet haircut because he's too poor to afford a haircut.
Your "consensus" is evidence free. No evidence (other than hearsay claims from an anonymous lying internet liar) has been provided that Charlie Veitch ever knew anything about 9/11, that he ever organized any 9/11 events, or that he was ever a prominent truther.
Of course evidence-free consensus is SOP around here.
Your "consensus" is evidence free.
False.
No evidence (other than hearsay claims from an anonymous lying internet liar) has been provided that Charlie Veitch ever knew anything about 9/11, that he ever organized any 9/11 events, or that he was ever a prominent truther.
Carol Brouillet said that Veitch was a prominent truther. The only testimony to the contrary comes from a sex stalker who wears women's underwear and was banned from the truth movement.
Of course evidence-free consensus is SOP around here.
For you it is. Every time we ask you for evidence that explosives or thermite were used in the destruction of the WTC, you just babble about 3rd-hand accounts of people who heard explosions, and then you start squealing about 1930 invisible architects and engineers who agree with you.
Sorry Brian, but you lose again.
The hearsay claims of anonymous internet liars are not evidence.
The testimony of first responders is not hearsay. It was recorded and published in the public record.
The hearsay claims of anonymous internet liars are not evidence.
Carol Brouillet is not an anonymous internet liar. She is a prominent member of the truth movement who knows that Charlie Veitch was also a prominent member of the truth movement. Sorry, Brian.
The testimony of first responders is not hearsay. It was recorded and published in the public record.
Nobody cares.
I didn't say that Carol Brouillet is an anonymous internet liar.
I said that YOU are an anonymous internet liar.
I didn't say that Carol Brouillet is an anonymous internet liar.
Thanks for proving my point. Carol Brouillet said that Craig Veitch was a prominent truther, and the fact that you don't know this just proves that you've been banned from the movement.
I said that YOU are an anonymous internet liar.
Nobody cares what you think. You're a failed janitor who lives with his parents.
Also, you still haven't identified a single time I've lied.
Jon Gold:
Controlled Demolition is not the defining argument for the cause of 9/11 Justice and never has been (though certain elements have tried to make it that way... oh boy, I have a "conspiracy theory").
Jon Gold:
Years From Now Dr. David Ray Griffin will be mentioned in the same breath as the likes of Dr. Martin Luther King, and Ghandi(sic).
Now Grifter peddled controlled demolition with the best of them, yet Jon praised Grifter to the max.
And now Jon sees a conspiracy in this somewhere, whereas I see only standard troofer idiocy.
Lyin Ian, I've identified many times when you've lied. You've claimed there are no widows, you've claimed the widows are invisible, you've claimed the widows have no questions, and you've lied and lied about me and about my statements on these boards.
Lyin Ian, I've identified many times when you've lied. You've claimed there are no widows, you've claimed the widows are invisible, you've claimed the widows have no questions, and you've lied and lied about me and about my statements on these boards.
False.
Says the liar.
16 February, 2012 22:20 Ian said
"Poor Brian, he's just babbling incoherently now because he knows he's been pwn3d and his "widows" have no questions.”
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2012/02/gage-barrett-and-farrakhan-together-at.html
17 March, 2013 07:23, Ian said...
“The widows have no questions, Brian”.
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2013/03/entertaining-coverage-of-rooke-trial.html
28 March, 2011 10:46,
“All the squealing in the world doesn't change the fact that the widows have no questions.”
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2011/03/gold-admits-hes-crackpot.html
27 March, 2011 19:03,
Here's another real gem: “Every night, I go to sleep with a smile on my face knowing that Laurie Van Auken will never have her questions answered. HA HA HA HA!!!!”
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2011/03/gold-admits-hes-crackpot.html
Your links don't provide any evidence that I have lied, and quotes from an anonymous internet liar prove nothing.
I think you shared a kink to an Australian radio show that featured Charlie Veitch. I have to admire the guy, he was vocal about his change of heart (once confronted with the actual facts). So many troofers just walk away quietly once they realize they've been idiots.
Lyin Ian, my links don't just provide evidence that you lied, they prove that you lied and that you lied about the lies.
Lyin Ian, my links don't just provide evidence that you lied, they prove that you lied and that you lied about the lies.
False.
BTW, Brian, are you ever going to change your avatar? We all know about your homosexual obsession with that "strutting, bragging, lying, fabulous Latin dream". You don't have to remind us about it any longer.
I never said Willie was a fabulous Latin dream. I said he was a "strutting, bragging, lying blob of Latin manboob."
Where is Willie anyway? He ran away squealing and crying after I showed that his hero story was a lie, he stole the story from a true hero who died on 9/11, and Der Spiegel said that he was trying to pass off a $1 bill as a $20 bill.
MGF, I've never seen any evidence that Veitch even knew anything about about 9/11 and had any heart to change. It sounds like he was a knee-jerk conspiracy theorist, he was impressed by "Terrorstorm" and leaped to the conclusion that 9/11 was an inside job because Alex Jones said so. But you guys don't show any evidence that he ever really knew anything about 9/11. I see no evidence that he ever had a mind to change.
So to sum up, Brian is still lusting after Willie Rodriguez, and he hysterical because it's clear that Brian has been banned from the truth movement for being a liar and a lunatic since he doesn't know who Charlie Veitch is, or how he was a prominent member of the truth movement.
Also, Kevin Barrett told me some hilarious stories about how much of a lunatic Brian is, but I won't tell them out of mercy. It's hard enough being a 60-year-old man who lives with his parents because he can't hold down a job mopping floors.
Lyin Ian, you lie. Where do you get the idea that I was banned from the truth movement? I have some people badmouthing me because I exposed the con artists Willie R. and Craig Ranke for what they were, and exposed the liar and bigot Kevin Barrett for what he is. All of them were ejected from the truth movement, but I never was.
Kevin Barrett's "hilarious" stories come from his extensive collection of joke books. He takes those hoary old jokes and adapts them to current situations and his admirers consider him a great wit until they find out he snot.
Up past your bedtime, aren't you Lian? I guess you're not much looking foward to work tomorrow, are you?
And it would also seem that it's not your alleged financee keeping you up late, either.
Yup, this is the kind of hysterical squealing I enjoy from Brian. He's humiliated because he was banned from the truth movement (and that's why he has no idea who Charlie Veitch is). He's humiliated because he has no job and I do. He's also humiliated because I have a happy relationship with my fiancee, while Brian's romantic life consists of stalking Carol Brouillet.
Lyin Ian, where do you get the idea that I was banned from the truth movement?
I know who Charlie Veitch is. He's nobody--doesn't even have a wiki page.
What makes you think I don't have a job?
What makes you think I stalk Carol Brouillet?
You make up your facts.
"MGF, I've never seen any evidence that Veitch even knew anything about about 9/11 ..."
I've seen no evidence that you know anything about 9-11 or that you are anything but knee jrk paranoid boob.
Lyin Ian, where do you get the idea that I was banned from the truth movement?
From the truth movement. Kevin Barrett, Craig Ranke, Jim Fetzer, Bill Deagle, and Charlie Veitch all agree that you've been banned.
I know who Charlie Veitch is. He's nobody--doesn't even have a wiki page.
Nobody cares.
What makes you think I don't have a job?
The fact that you're mentally ill and you spend normal business hours posting spam about magic thermite elves all over the internet.
What makes you think I stalk Carol Brouillet?
Carol Brouillet says you stalk her.
You make up your facts.
Squeal squeal squeal!
Hey, Brian, you should take the advice of your fellow mental patient, the late, great Wesley Willis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAXrvtraF60
You know, Brian, Wesley was mentally ill just like you, but unlike you, he came from a terrible abusive, poor background in inner-city Chicago. Nonetheless, he became a world-renowned musician and artist, and made millions of people happy.
You, on the other hand, wasted your affluent, privileged background by flunking out of college after damaging your brain sniffing glue and doing too much LSD and Angel Dust. Instead of doing anything to improve your situation, you mooched off your parents for 40 years. And instead of making people happy, you just piss everyone off by being a liar and a sex stalker.
Wesley Willis was everything great about this country. You, on the other hand, are everything that's wrong with it.
Lyin Ian, you lie.
Where do you get the idea that I flunked out of college and mooched off my parents for 40 years?
Brian, you told us you flunked out of San Jose State. Also, it's common knowledge that you have no job and live with your parents.
At least Wesley Willis made music and art. What do you do with your time other than post dumbspam about magic thermite elves everywhere?
Ian, you lie. I never told you I flunked out of San Jose State. You don't know where I live, and know nothing about my employment status.
Ian, you lie. I never told you I flunked out of San Jose State. You don't know where I live, and know nothing about my employment status.
Poor Brian. He's hysterical because everyone knows he failed out of San Jose State, and that he has no job and lives with his parents.
And, of course, he was banned from the truth movement.
So Brian, are you going to take Wesley Willis' advice and get rid of that hideous homeless mullet you have?
More Iananity from Lyin Ian.
At least Wesley Willis made music and art. What do you do with your time other than post dumbspam about magic thermite elves everywhere?
Ian, what makes you think I post dumbspam about magic thermite elves everywhere?
What makes you think spray-on thermite would be a thin coating? What's to prevent repeated coating? Fireproofing is sprayed on too, you know, inches thick. And incendiaries and/or explosives could be pumped inside hollow core columns through a 3/8" hole in any quantitity desired.
I'm not obsessed with spray-on thermite. I give it little thought. Do you have evidence that explosives planted inside hollow core columns, that bulged out the column walls to weaken them but did not rupture the walls, would transmit sound to the outside? What is that evidence, please?
So Ian, what makes you think I"m a liar?
Additionally I, horse's ass extraordinaire, Brian "meatball on a fork" Good, couldn't possibly be punxsutawneybarney. They lie. I'm not! I'm not! I'm not!
What is wrong wit youse guys? You lie and lie and lie and lie and lie.
Brian, you still haven't told us if you've followed Wesley Willis' advice and cut that hideous homeless mullet of yours.
Laurie Van Auken wants you to cut your mullet, and you won't. Why do you take pleasure in the widows' pain? What's wrong with you?
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