Friday, April 03, 2015

Jonathan Kay on the Gold Show

Jonathan Kay appears on Jon Gold's tendentiously named "We Were Lied to About 9-11" podcast.



No surprises here; Gold does his usual schtick. We're just asking questions, we represent the family members, I invented the term "Truther" so I get to define what it means, blahblahblah. Never mind that the Truth Movement he belongs to has a membership of exactly one person (himself). And never mind that when you get right down to it he's every bit the kook that David Icke and Webster Tarpley are; he's just a little more skilled at doing the shuck and jive. Towards the end of the podcast he reiterates his claim to Matt Taibbi that elements of the US government had "more than earned the title of suspect" for the crimes of 9-11.

Screw Loose Change gets mentioned about 46 minutes in, and no surprise again, Jon lies about us, claiming that Troy from West Virginia was a "star poster" over here. Troy never posted here once; he was a commenter, which is a completely different thing. I did not approve of Troy's harassment of 9-11 Truthers.

Kay does a solid job of keeping on message. I do like that he agreed with Jon that the 28 redacted pages from the congressional enquiry should be released; so far I have heard almost nobody say otherwise. I did wince a bit at the part about the workers on the pile; Gold claimed that over 1000 of them have died which (no surprise) is bull.

41 Comments:

At 03 April, 2015 14:56, Blogger James B. said...

Does Gold have some little girl tied up in his bedroom screaming for help or something?

 
At 03 April, 2015 18:51, Blogger Stewie Griffin said...

James B.

I think Gold is a woman screaming inside a fat body of a man trying to get out. I could be wrong but he does bitch a lot like a woman, is there such a thing as a man being on his monthly period?

 
At 03 April, 2015 19:17, Blogger Stewie Griffin said...

If Jon thinks any of us is troy then he better present evidence first. I don't give a shit if the fat bastard is offended but he painted himself a big target. If he blames SLC then he's blaming himself. You reading this Jon? Go fuck yourself you egotistical balless bald headed douche bag.

 
At 03 April, 2015 22:01, Blogger Jon Gold said...

Sooooo... you never posted Troy's videos here? Mmmhmmm...

 
At 03 April, 2015 22:02, Blogger Jon Gold said...

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At 03 April, 2015 22:07, Blogger Jon Gold said...

Even if John's wall doesn't have 1,000... http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/death-toll-9-11-responders-nears-1-000-pols-autopsy-standards-pinpoint-article-1.453796

 
At 03 April, 2015 22:17, Blogger Jon Gold said...

Another report that says 1,000... http://healthland.time.com/2011/05/03/the-911-casualties-still-to-come/

 
At 03 April, 2015 22:19, Blogger Jon Gold said...

Another report that says 1,000... http://archives.jrn.columbia.edu/2013-2014/nycitylens.com/index-p=2753.html

 
At 03 April, 2015 22:22, Blogger Jon Gold said...

This says 1,400... http://www.takepart.com/article/2014/07/28/number-9/11-first-responders-cancer-climbing

 
At 03 April, 2015 22:24, Blogger Jon Gold said...

Another report that says 1,000... http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29381978

 
At 03 April, 2015 22:26, Blogger Jon Gold said...

Another report that says 1,000... http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2012/09/10/feds-cover-9-11-workers-first-responders-cancers/

 
At 03 April, 2015 22:28, Blogger Jon Gold said...

This might be a duplicate, but another report that says 1,000... http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/10/13783417-us-adds-cancer-to-list-of-illnesses-linked-to-911-terror-attacks?lite

 
At 03 April, 2015 23:05, Blogger Jon Gold said...

Here's a report that says 1,300... http://www.newsday.com/911-anniversary/more-names-added-to-9-11-wall-in-nesconset-1.5277799

 
At 03 April, 2015 23:37, Blogger Jon Gold said...

There might be an "official document" out there that says there are however many "confirmed" deaths having to do with the toxic dust, but I know over 1,000 have died. That one report from Newsday says "the addition of up to 40 names brings to about 160 the number of first responders honored since the park opened on Sept. 10, 2011. Organizers hope to eventually recognize all responders who have died -- estimated at 1,300, and growing."

 
At 04 April, 2015 00:48, Blogger Pat said...

Typical crap from Jon. From the NY Daily News article:

"The city later relented, but Zadroga is one of only a handful of people whose death has been officially linked to the toxins of the ruined twin towers."

And of course they are wrong about Zadroga, who died from injection drug abuse.

From the BBC article:

"But despite these numbers, no clear link between the attacks and cancer has been made."

In addition, it's fourteen years since the attacks; obviously some percentage of every group is going to have some deaths. BTW, despite the gee whiz nature of the BBC article (three firefighters dying of cancer the same day), there's also this quote:

"The Fire Department of New York has said that in addition to the 343 firefighters who died on the day of the attacks, a further 89 have died from illness."

89. And again, we don't know how many of those died from illnesses that can be tied to their work on the pile.

 
At 04 April, 2015 06:18, Blogger Jon Gold said...

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At 04 April, 2015 06:31, Blogger Jon Gold said...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/city-drug-not-dust-killed-9-11-hero-james-zadroga-article-1.232695

A third medical opinion that agrees with the first medical opinion? And still, did I make those articles up that speak of 1000+ responders having died? Please.

 
At 04 April, 2015 06:52, Blogger Jon Gold said...

http://healthland.time.com/2011/05/03/the-911-casualties-still-to-come/

“Roy had had two marrow transplants but kept relapsing,” says his sister Kathy, who was with him at the end. “When we brought him home from the hospital two days before he died, there were trucks from his engine company out front with their lights flashing. His friends had come to help him inside.”

At least 1,000 other first responders have died in similar ways since the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, and thousands more have gotten sick. And if there’s any real surprise about all that, it’s that even more haven’t been claimed.

http://www.takepart.com/article/2014/07/28/number-9/11-first-responders-cancer-climbing

More than 400 civil servants died during the attack, and it's estimated that since then, 1,400 first responders have died from health complications related to 9/11.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29381978

Some 1,000 deaths have been linked to illnesses caused by toxic dust issuing from wreckage at Ground Zero.

http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2012/09/10/feds-cover-9-11-workers-first-responders-cancers/

The responders were exposed to roughly 2,500 toxins, including asbestos and mercury. And an estimated 1,000 people have died because of that exposure.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/10/13783417-us-adds-cancer-to-list-of-illnesses-linked-to-911-terror-attacks?lite

Some estimates put the overall death toll from 9/11-related illness at more than 1,000, according to Reuters.

http://www.newsday.com/911-anniversary/more-names-added-to-9-11-wall-in-nesconset-1.5277799

The addition of up to 40 names brings to about 160 the number of first responders honored since the park opened on Sept. 10, 2011. Organizers hope to eventually recognize all responders who have died -- estimated at 1,300, and growing.

With regards to what the BBC said:

"But despite these numbers, no clear link between the attacks and cancer has been made."

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/10/13783417-us-adds-cancer-to-list-of-illnesses-linked-to-911-terror-attacks?lite

“The federal government on Monday added 14 categories of cancer to the list of illnesses linked to the 9/11 terror attacks, which brings added coverage to rescue workers and people living near ground zero on Sept. 11, 2001.”

http://nypost.com/2012/09/09/feds-finally-ready-to-recognize-911-cancer-link/#ixzz264cjn6zQ

“After an 11-year battle, the federal government is poised to finally recognize that people who lived near Ground Zero — as well as rescue and recovery workers who sifted through the toxic rubble there — got cancer as a result.”

 
At 04 April, 2015 07:18, Blogger Jon Gold said...

How much help have you given them to get attention or to raise funds? None? You fought against people like me who were trying to help them? Wow.

 
At 04 April, 2015 07:53, Blogger James B. said...

Sooo... we have posted your videos here too. Mmmmmhmmmm

 
At 04 April, 2015 08:23, Blogger Stewie Griffin said...

So Jon, we're a bunch of "assholes" because you got debunked about you lies about 9/11?

 
At 04 April, 2015 08:26, Blogger Stewie Griffin said...

Funny how every one of us here on SLC haven't been arrested for anything.

I feel sad for you Jon, you got arrested right in front of the White House and got hand cuffed:

http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p429/Gorlagna/paddywagongold2.jpg

Tell me, how does it feel to have the law brought down on you for being a gullible moron?

 
At 04 April, 2015 08:33, Blogger Stewie Griffin said...

You fought against people like me who were trying to help them?

Show us your money contributions to the 9/11 Families Jon. Show us how much you've given to the Families you speak of "defending". You're using the Families as a human shield for your own stupidity and egotistical ways.

 
At 04 April, 2015 15:16, Blogger Pat said...

Yeah, Jon's one of our "star posters".

 
At 04 April, 2015 19:19, Blogger Jon Gold said...

Clearly, I am not on your side, and when you post any video I am in, it shows.

 
At 05 April, 2015 09:23, Blogger truth hurts said...

A poster is the one who posts stuff on a blog, not the person the stuff originates from.

That is the whole point, John.
Just because videos of Troy were placed on this blog doesn't make him a star poster or even a poster at all. Just like you are not a poster on this blog, although videos made by you have been placed on this blog.

The posters were either Pat or James.

 
At 05 April, 2015 11:26, Blogger "Broom Jockey" William Rodriguez Fan said...

Did anyone see the star posters episode om MSNBC's Lockup that just aired. hahahahahahaha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXTowhgKs8w

 
At 05 April, 2015 17:56, Blogger Marc Ferris said...

I like to think of myself as a Diva poster.

 
At 05 April, 2015 20:37, Blogger Jon Gold said...

I posted this elsewhere yesterday... "My response regarding Troy is that they posted the videos of their “star.” Only James and Pat can post blogs there, but they choose which ones to post, and they often chose their “star” Troy."

 
At 06 April, 2015 06:23, Blogger James B. said...

Often? In the last 9 years we have written over 4,600 posts, of which I could find a grand total of 15 that mentioned him, including several regarding his arrest. The most recent of these was in 2009. I don't think that word means what you think it does.

 
At 06 April, 2015 10:06, Blogger "Broom Jockey" William Rodriguez Fan said...

Does that piece of shit Bob McIlvaine still speak in other countries... blaming americans for killing his boy?

 
At 06 April, 2015 18:50, Blogger snug.bug said...

Willie R Fan--who else should Mr. McIlvaine blame? We now know that the American authorities ignored warnings from 13 foreign countries, 4 FBI offices, and the CIA. One of the FBI warnings came in the form of a memo entitled "Kamikaze Pilots". The Mossad warned of 19 terrorists inside the USA planning something big, and the warning named names, including those of the alleged 9/11 plot leader, and another alleged 9/11 pilot. They also named the names of two known al Qaeda agents who had lived with an FBI informant in San Diego, whose benefactors received funds from the wife of Prince "Bandar Bush", who were known by both the FBI and the CIA to be inside the USA, and who bought ten airline tickets dated 9/11/01 under their own real names. One of these two had lived in an al Qaeda safehouse in Yemen for a year soon before 9/11, a safehouse that was monitored by both the CIA and the NSA, and he kept up phone communications with this safehouse after he returned to the USA.

Now Mr. McIlvaine surely knows all this. And you surely don't. So before you get all huffy about Mr. McIlvaine's opinions perhaps you should make some small effort to inform yourself.

 
At 06 April, 2015 18:50, Blogger snug.bug said...

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At 07 April, 2015 11:49, Blogger truth hurts said...

We now know that the American authorities ignored warnings from 13 foreign countries, 4 FBI offices, and the CIA.

Which proves that the 911truthers are wrong: 911 is not an inside job, but a terrorist attack performed by 19 terrorist hijackers.

One of the FBI warnings came in the form of a memo entitled "Kamikaze Pilots".

Which proves that the 911truthers are wrong: 911 is not an inside job, but a terrorist attack performed by 19 terrorist hijackers.


The Mossad warned of 19 terrorists inside the USA planning something big, and the warning named names, including those of the alleged 9/11 plot leader, and another alleged 9/11 pilot.


Which proves that the 911truthers are wrong: 911 is not an inside job, but a terrorist attack performed by 19 terrorist hijackers.

They also named the names of two known al Qaeda agents who had lived with an FBI informant in San Diego, whose benefactors received funds from the wife of Prince "Bandar Bush", who were known by both the FBI and the CIA to be inside the USA, and who bought ten airline tickets dated 9/11/01 under their own real names. One of these two had lived in an al Qaeda safehouse in Yemen for a year soon before 9/11, a safehouse that was monitored by both the CIA and the NSA, and he kept up phone communications with this safehouse after he returned to the USA.

Which proves that the 911truthers are wrong: 911 is not an inside job, but a terrorist attack performed by 19 terrorist hijackers.

Which makes me wonder why you continue to come up with truther mumbo jumbo about buildings that were blown up....

 
At 07 April, 2015 15:41, Blogger Stewie Griffin said...

And again Jon Gold goes silent cause he put his foot where his mouth is. Or was that up his ass? I can't tell!

 
At 07 April, 2015 18:47, Blogger Stewie Griffin said...

I think Jon likes being an idiot and a glutton for punishment. He reminds me of a guy called Leonard Lawrence. You know, that fat body from Full Metal Jacket whose a complete jug head? And I love the part where Gunnery Drill Sgt. Hartman lays it into him cause he thinks it's funny and then calls him Private Pyle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzSsLiBPX38

From now on Jon Gold is our very own Private Pyle!

 
At 08 April, 2015 00:16, Blogger snug.bug said...

th, where do you get the idea that the existence of 19 terrorists shows that 9/11 wasn't an inside job? Can you explain the logic of that?

I'm sorry that science is mumbo jumbo to you, but you educational deficits are not my fault.

 
At 09 April, 2015 13:09, Blogger truth hurts said...

th, where do you get the idea that the existence of 19 terrorists shows that 9/11 wasn't an inside job?

There is zero evidence of an inside job, Brian.


Can you explain the logic of that?

Nope, in order to explain something to a person, that person needs to have some level of IQ.
And as you have clearly demonstrated over the last 13 years, you don't comply to that,

I'm sorry that science is mumbo jumbo to you

You have never presented any science on this blog, brian..


but you educational deficits are not my fault.

Mirrortalk, as usual.

And you are fully aware of that, as you failed to say anything in your reply that even remotely points out to a possible inside job.

 
At 09 April, 2015 16:40, Blogger Grandmastershek said...

We now know that the American authorities ignored warnings from 13 foreign countries, 4 FBI offices, and the CIA.

th, where do you get the idea that the existence of 19 terrorists shows that 9/11 wasn't an inside job? Can you explain the logic of that?

LOL! I love it when Brian pretends to understand logic. So basically what you are saying is they were picking up intelligence of a foreign threat that didn't really exist, since it was an inside job.

Makes sense if you don't think about it.

 
At 09 April, 2015 20:01, Blogger Shamrock3939 said...

I love it where he says the American authorities ignored warnings from the American authorities. so a bunch of cia and FBI guys who aren't in on the conspiracy warn other cia and FBI guys as well as other authorities who are in on it, but only those in on it have enough authority to act on it but because they are in on it they ignore it and the cia and FBI guys not in on it watch it happen but pretend they too are now in on it by not dropping dime on those in on it. Classic.

And th, it's clearly early enough in the day as you are now worthy of responding too. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

 
At 10 April, 2015 11:12, Blogger Stewie Griffin said...

How can an incompetent government with an incompetent military manage to have an incompetent conspiracy is stupid.

 

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