Sad, Pathetic, Lonely Lives....
Obviously a cheerful article on the Truthers:
He sighed and said no one in his family shared his understanding of 9/11, nor did any of his friends. “I basically can’t talk about it.”And Bob McIlvaine:
I asked what it’s like for him to be the only person he knows who thinks this way. He paused for a long time and began to tear up.
“I would say it’s really lonely.”
“It’s brutal. I will never volunteer to talk about it,” Mcllvaine said. “In my circles, people ignore it. It’s like I’m a leper. I don’t see many people anymore.” He says his wife supports him, but doesn’t want to talk about how Bobby died. She says it doesn’t matter, even if his theories are true, because it won’t bring her son back. “If she started talking about that she wouldn’t have any friends.”Who wouldn't want to be a Truther?
One item of interest:
Near the end of our conversation, even Gage confessed he misses his life before 9/11 Truth.
“It is tiring after nine years, I have to say,” he said. “I am an architect, I’d rather be practicing architecture. I’ve been full time as a 9/11 Truth activist for five years and I’m looking forward to going back to architecture. I make more money, I have more fun.”Italics added for emphasis. Not sure if he's throwing in the towel or not; he goes on to say. "But the future of my country is at stake," which could certainly be interpreted as meaning that he can't give up the fight.
posted by Pat @ 3:35 PM
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35 Comments:
Bob's wife went with him to this past anniversary's events, and is now going to start talking about it.
Bob was thrilled.
Bob was thrilled that his wife isn't going to have any friends? What a prince!
Jon Gold and Brian Good can be their friends! They can spend every night planning on ways to get the "widows" to notice their heroics!
Hey Jon, 14 years and the "widows" STILL haven't gotten their questions answered. Any comment on that?
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!
Gage pissed away 9 years of his life on this and is now having regrets? It's almost enough for me to feel sorry for him.
The 9/11 Family Steering Committee, which was made up of 12 9/11 Family Members, released a final statement that said all of their questions weren't answered, so it's not just the "widows."
Actually Pat, when they returned from New York, her friends wanted to hear all about it.
Be sure you guys keep up your excellent work trying to get the healthcare renewed for the 9/11 First Responders. Also, continue advocating for the release of the 28 redacted pages of the JICI. Thanks guys!
Well I'm glad they got a North of the Citgo graphic in that article!
The 9/11 Family Steering Committee, which was made up of 12 9/11 Family Members, released a final statement that said all of their questions weren't answered, so it's not just the "widows."
Nobody cares.
Be sure you guys keep up your excellent work trying to get the healthcare renewed for the 9/11 First Responders. Also, continue advocating for the release of the 28 redacted pages of the JICI. Thanks guys!
It's nice of you to recognize that people less incompetent than you should handle this.
Maybe I'll take care of it when the baseball season is over. The Mets are in a pennant race, after all. Priorities.
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Well, Ian, clearly you're nobody and clearly you care enough to post about it on the internet, so to that extent your statement that nobody cares is true.
On the other hand, Bob McIlvaine also clearly cares, and he's not nobody.
Sniggering at those who have made sacrifices for truth and justice is about what I'd expect from you, whose idea of the cultural advantages of NYC seems to be limited to baseball.
Jon, I have a great idea for you! You could produce the next big 9-11 Truth movie. In the film, you could present Bob McIlvaine's compelling evidence that his son was blown up by a bomb before the first plane hit the WTC. Then to pile amazement upon amazement, you could have Patty Casazza talk about how her mysterious informant revealed that the government knew the date and manner of the attacks well beforehand. I think we're talking Hollywood blockbuster here, especially if Patty mentions the bombs in the lobby were all part of the plan. That would seal the deal! Have your people talk to my people and let's do lunch!
Oh, and we could have Brian mop up after some of the crucial scenes.
Pat, I've got an idea for you. You and James can produce the next big 9-11 debunkers movie. You can have Ianinny explain that there are no widows, that they have no questions, that Truthers' claims rest on a belief in magic elves--and then he could do computer-sim fashion makeovers of selected Truthers. Then Guitar Bill could demonstrate his colorful vocabulary and his knowledge of all the inventive things that can be done with goats, and MGF could explain why the CIA is so dumb and he's so smart that he doesn't need to finish his college degree. Truthhurts could expound on his powerful rhetorical theory of "mirrortalk". Seriously, it must be very discouraging to you and James that the only debunking talent you can attract to your blog is so discrediting to your cause.
You could go a step further up the food chain and let Shermer and Kaye present their amateur psychoanalytic insights about millions of people they have never met.
Also seriously, I have long thought that an investigation into the WTC lobby elevator explosions could be very important. It aeemed that NIST had little to say about them. There are only a couple of elevators that run all the way from the 90th floor to the lobby. One structural engineer who brought the subject up with me said he did not believe that jet fuel could fall 1000 feet down an elevator shaft--he thought it would be coated on the gypsum walls of the elevator hoistway instead of falling in an explosive bolus to the bottom. NIST did not address this issue.
There's also the question of how much jet fuel moving at 500 mph horizontally wound up falling down a couple of isolated elevator shafts that went to the ground. It's not like there was a gutter leading the fuel to the express elevator. There were a lot more elevator shafts that went shorter distances. Shorter fall means less coating of walls. And yet none of the shorter elevator shafts exploded.
I have long been disappointed that the architects and engineers for truth have not investigated the mystery of the exploding elevator shaft or the stories of basement explosions generally. Thanks for your suggestion, Pat!
Oh good, Petgoat has been released from the psychiatric hospital and is back to babbling here!
On the other hand, Bob McIlvaine also clearly cares, and he's not nobody.
Bob McIlvaine, like Laurie Van Auken, is a disgusting sociopath and liar. They both deserve endless mockery and humiliation for taking the death of a loved one and trying to become rich and famous off of it. Fortunately, America saw through their lies.
Sniggering at those who have made sacrifices for truth and justice is about what I'd expect from you, whose idea of the cultural advantages of NYC seems to be limited to baseball.
Poor Brian, he's hysterical because the truthers failed spectacularly. Brian also doesn't understand how someone smart and successful like me can take advantage of all New York has to offer. I can visit the art museums AND see a ballgame. Because Brian is unemployed and lives on disability with his parents, he has to save up his allowance to afford tickets to Stanford football where he can make a fool of himself by holding up signs about magic thermite elves in front of Stanford students and alumni who don't care.
Next time, Brian, save up your allowance for a decent haircut.
Pat, I've got an idea for you. You and James can produce the next big 9-11 debunkers movie. You can have Ianinny explain that there are no widows, that they have no questions, that Truthers' claims rest on a belief in magic elves--and then he could do computer-sim fashion makeovers of selected Truthers. Then Guitar Bill could demonstrate his colorful vocabulary and his knowledge of all the inventive things that can be done with goats, and MGF could explain why the CIA is so dumb and he's so smart that he doesn't need to finish his college degree. Truthhurts could expound on his powerful rhetorical theory of "mirrortalk". Seriously, it must be very discouraging to you and James that the only debunking talent you can attract to your blog is so discrediting to your cause.
We would have to care enough to do that, Brian. And we don't. It's much easier to humiliate you here.
Also seriously, I have long thought that an investigation into the WTC lobby elevator explosions could be very important. It aeemed that NIST had little to say about them.
Nobody cares. You're a failed janitor who wears women's underwear.
And I'm sure the structural engineer was just humoring you to get you to go away. That's how normal people handle random lunatics who come up to them babbling about insane things.
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Oh good, more Lyin Iananity from a Lyin Ianinny to demonstrate the quality of Debunker Forensics.
As I explained, the structural engineer who was skeptical that jet fuel could fall 1000 feet down an elevator shaft brought the subject up with me.
You're sure about a lot of silly things that aren't true, Ian.
Gage, you grafter, where are your accounts for 2014?
Oh good, more Lyin Iananity from a Lyin Ianinny to demonstrate the quality of Debunker Forensics.
English, please.
As I explained, the structural engineer who was skeptical that jet fuel could fall 1000 feet down an elevator shaft brought the subject up with me.
Yes, and as I explained, he was trying to get a hopeless lunatic to leave him alone by saying the kinds of things that would get you to stop babbling at him.
You're sure about a lot of silly things that aren't true, Ian.
I'm sure I've won and you've lost when it comes to 9/11, Brian.
I am sorry that "Forensics" is foreign to you, Ian, but I'm not surprised.
A lot of the silly things you're sure of just ain't so.
I am sorry that "Forensics" is foreign to you, Ian, but I'm not surprised.
I understand it, which is why I know that you don't. You're confused about so many things, Brian. It's good that you still have your parents to take care of you.
A lot of the silly things you're sure of just ain't so.
Yes, Brian, you already posted this. It doesn't change the fact that you wear women's underwear and were banned from the truth movement.
Brian, have you ever considered the possibility that Bob McIlvaine's son killed himself because he had such a horrible father? That could explain why they found him dead outside of the areas where most people died.
Thanks for yet again demonstrating the quality of Debunker Forensics, Ian.
he was paid handsomely, and was a "hero" there for a while...but the ride must be coming to an end!
how many of those questions had anything to do with thermite, holograms, and fake phone calls?
The NIST investigation focused on WHY the Towers collapsed, and the elevator fireball had nothing to do wirh the collapse. And many people got badly burned from elevator shaft fireballs that were high up inside rhe buildings...where did you get the info that only the express elevators had fireballs?
Brian, there is no need for a debunker movie. The world at large has moved on, and remember those we lost. It's only your fringe cult babbling about magical demo devices. You're about as relevant as flat earthers, creationists, and scientologists.
GMS, I didn't say anything about demo devices.
Thanks for yet again demonstrating the quality of Debunker Forensics, Ian.
Brian, a good investigator considers all possibilities. I didn't say Bob McIlvaine's son killed himself because Bob is a terrible person. I suggested it was possible. Bob is indeed a terrible person, of course.
Also, if you understood forensics, you would know why there's so much evidence that the towers were destroyed by micro-nukes planted by modified attack baboons. The essential mysteries (radiation in the cloud, the mushroom cloud, burnt baboon fur in the wreckage, vaporized steel, green jelly-like substance on support columns) suggest it, but don't prove it.
If only you understood how forensics works, you might not be so confused about 9/11.
GMS, I didn't say anything about demo devices.
He's right, GMS. He only said things about invisible silent explosives, but not the devices that detonate them. Oh, and magic spray-on thermite too.
I didn't say anything about demo devices or explosives. We were talking about fireballs in the elevator shaft. Try to keep up.
I didn't say anything about demo devices or explosives.
False.
Be sure you guys keep up your excellent work trying to get the healthcare renewed for the 9/11 First Responders.
Sure and let us know when you help us out by donating your SSI money to them. Obviously you've got a lot of time on your hands Jon so it would be proper to assume you live off a government funded check every month. Are you possibly faking an injury or illness to smooch off the Government and tax payers?
Well, believing in 9/11 twoof will generally bring on involuntary celibacy. Maybe twoofers could start marketing their religion as an effective form of birth control.
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