Op-Ed News Sidelines Troofers

I had not seen this before, but apparently Rob Kall has gotten tired of the annoying and pesky "Truther" contingent at his site and is putting them into their own little portion of the sandbox, called "Edges". He explains (quoted in one of the comments):

Most progressive sites refuse to cover 911 truth and more exotic topics, like UFOs, NWO and conspiracy theories. OEN has covered them and it has brought some problems, particularly a crew of unpleasant, negative commenters who attack just about every article published, particularly ones by higher visibility writers. We've decided to clean things up, so we're cracking down on this crew, holding firmer to rules aganst spamming articles and personal attacks and name calling. The goal is to maintain our open forum for discourse-- a forum that this small group has effectively intimidated and turned off.

(Snip)

We plan to continue publishing solid, well documented and supported articles on all subjects. If the focus is on edgy topics like 911 Truth, UFOs, NWO, JFK or other conspiracy theories, the articles, upon passing the test of new material and documented claims, will be posted to our EDGES hot page.

Kall's site is apparently pretty successful (he mentions a write-up in the New York Times), and so it's not surprising that he's realizing the downside of allowing the Troofers unrestricted access to the site, just as Arianna Huffington, Democratic Underground and Kos learned years ago.

And before anybody moans that I'm approving censorship, let's remember that SLC is the only site dedicated to covering the "Truth" movement that allows virtually every comment posted here to stand on its own merits. And while we're on that topic, check out Michael Morrissey's post on OpEd News about how he got banned from the Scholars for 9-11 Truth and Justice, its forum, and his comments got put on moderation:

Shortly after I published my article "9/11 Aletheia" on OpEdNews, I was removed from the membership list of Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice, shortly after that from their forum, and on May 20 I was put on "probation" (the "moderation queue") at 911Blogger.com. I offer myself, therefore, as Exhibit A in my case against the closed-mindedness I criticized in my article.

I have been a member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice (STJ911.org) since its founding in 2006, when it split off from the original Scholars for 9/11 Truth (911scholars.org) founded by Jim Fetzer. I remained a member of both organizations, because I saw no reason not to. Both, it seemed to me, had their merits. I joined 911Blogger.com at about the same time, and since September 2006 I have made 62 postings to that site.

This history is important, because I am not a "no planer" or proponent of theories of video fakery or exotic weaponry, and I can prove it. My only, cardinal sin is this one recent article where I dared to defend the principle of free discussion.

Morrissey's original piece was inane, but it does point out the hypocrisy of the Troofers bitching about gatekeepers when they are gatekeeping themselves.

Yet Another Distinguished Scholar Joins the Fruitcakes

Hoo-boy, they sure do attract the weirdos. The latest 9-11 JAQer is Clyde Wilson.

Can we judge that the official government story of what happened on 9/11 is unreliable?

We know that politicians lied about the sinking of the "Maine," Pearl Harbour, the Gulf of Tonkin, Waco, and Iraqi WMD. This administration has engaged in more systematic and frequent deception of the public perhaps than any other in recent times. And has been successful at it because the public has never been more ignorant and the media more craven.

So who is Clyde Wilson? His Wikipedia entry includes this moonbattery:

He is the M.E. Bradford Distinguished Chair of the Abbeville Institute, an adjunct faculty member of the libertarian Ludwig von Mises Institute, and an affiliated scholar of the League of the South Institute, the research arm of the League of the South. In 1994 Wilson was an original founder of the League of the South. The League of the South is a Southern nationalist organization whose ultimate goal is "a free and independent Southern republic."

The Southern Poverty Law Center has listed Wilson among the "ideologues" of the Neo-Confederate movement, claiming that he told Gentleman's Quarterly in 1998 that "We don't want the federal government telling us what to do, pushing integration down our throats...

You know, it's getting to the point where if new 9-11 Deniers emerge, the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks racist and anti-semitic hate groups, is the first place to check for information on them.

Steven Jones Comments on the "Hot Core" Photo

I was recently in an e-mail exchange with a member of the "Scholars" group (the Steven Jones one, not the Jim Fetzer one), and after we had resolved our discussion I asked him if he could get Jones' comment regarding his previous use of a photograph of firefighters at Ground Zero searching for their fallen comrades with a flashlight, which he had magically reinterpreted to be the "hot core" of the World Trade Center.

I know this is an old issue, but I was curious. Although I believe other debunkers had contacted him before on this issue, I never bothered to myself. I discovered that Mr. Jones has an annoying habit of not replying to e-mails. Once I e-mailed him when I discovered he had used several fraudulent references to the PNAC document "Rebuilding America's Defenses" in his PowerPoint presentation, he never replied, but the references just magically disappeared or were altered, with no mention of ever having changed.

In any case, Mr. Jones' reply to my new inquiry follows:

Thank you for bringing this question directly to me so that I may answer it,
something which neither Mark Roberts nor James Bennett had the courtesy to do.

1. There are two formally published versions of my paper (peer-reviewed for
each publication separately):

(1) "9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals SpeakOut," David Ray Griffin and Peter Dale Scott, eds.

(2) Journalof911Studies.com

Neither of these authorized and published versions has the photo in question -- that photo appeared for a short time in a draft of my paper which was somehow picked up and put into the Scholars for 9/11 Truth site. If you follow the link in screwloosechange, you will see that it takes you to Jim Fetzer's Scholars for 9/11 Truth site -- an unauthorized draft. I have repeatedly asked Jim Fetzer to remove this draft (and all papers I authored in fact) from his site, but for some reason he has not done so, without explanation from him.That draft was prepared hurriedly when I was had to move my draft-paper off my research site, during the peer-review process under the direction of Journal of 911 Studies co-editor Kevin Ryan. In a short time, we found the LiRo photo ((Robert Moore found it first as I recall) and I used that to replace the photo in question -- since the LiRo photo provides direct evidence for red-hot debris -- and this LiRo photo now appears in the final published version of my paper (at Journalof911Studies.com).

2. If you will actually look at the draft version of my paper on Fetzer's site, you will see that the origin of the photo is given with it (lower right-handcorner): Geoepoche 85 (that is, page 85). Geoepoche is a European publication, and the photo is found on page 85. The photo as I have it from my copy of the Geoepoche publication appears with the yellowish glow. I did not alter the coloration at all -- indeed, this is something that I do not know how to do nor do I care to find out. I had a secretary scan in the photo directly.

3. Why did Mark Roberts in his "screwloosechange"posting NOT include the reference for this photo? The Geoepoche 85 reference is in my paper along with the photo, but has evidently been cropped out for the"screwloosechange" posting.

I hope this clarifies the matter.

Please ask these fellows in the future to bring questions directly to me so that I may answer them. And if you wish to post these comments with yours at screwloosechange, pls feel free to do so.

If Mark Roberts would answer my question in (3) above I would appreciate that --perhaps you could forward this to him, or provide me with his email address.

Thank you,

Steven Jones

First of all, although I did not personally e-mail Jones, I can't speak for Mark Roberts, it has hardly been kept a secret. I know these photos, at the very least, have run on this blog, 911 blogger, in Mark Roberts' paper on WTC7, and even on Judy Wood's site. I can't for the life of me imagine how this elite body of 9/11 "scholars" has failed to notice it entirely. Regardless, I will accept his explanation that he just somehow failed to notice any of this.

Addressing the points:

1. The fact the photo was only used part of the time is not a defense. In fact it is part of the point. This is not a dispassionate search for the truth, but a shotgun approach to finding something, anything, which may prove his point. If they happen to be careless or fraudulent in the meantime, oh well, just find another photo and maybe that one will stick. A check of the "Journal of 911 Studies" website does show that in fact, he is no longer using this photo, although the fact that he is still using a photo of steel workers using a cutting torch, and trying to pass it off as the possibility of molten metal, hardly helps his case.

















The LiRo photo he mentions, just shows a blurry photo of a bunch of hot burning stuff, which considering the fact that it is generally accepted there were fires burning for months, hardly adds much to the discussion.

















Lastly, stating that the photo in question did not appear in "9/11 and American Empire" doesn't mean much, since that book did not have photographs of any type!


As for Fetzer's involvement, well I am probably on record for criticizing Jim Fetzer more than anyone else on the planet, so I can understand his frustration, but Fetzer did not make this "draft", Jones did. If you put something out there with your name on it, don't complain if others read it and assess your credibility based on that. He did this before the "scholar schism", when they were both co-chairs of the same group, so it is not like some third party came along and stole it from him. The paper which shows up on Fetzer's site, is dated September 2006, does not indicate anywhere that it is a draft, and states that it is from Volume 3 of the "Journal of 9/11 Studies". Ironically enough, the 4th line of the paper reads:

The views in this paper are the sole responsibility of the author.

I suppose that should be amended to, "unless something embarrassing is found, in which case it is Jim Fetzer's fault".

2. While many have speculated that it was altered (hardly an unknown act in the "truth" community) the point was that it was misrepresented, whether through malice or carelessness. I also find it amusing that a physics professor does not know how to alter the coloration of a photograph. Hello! It involves light, photons, I know you have covered this in class! How hard is it to figure it out? Also note the comment about his secretary doing his work. So much for the idea that his conspiracy theory work had nothing to do with his job at BYU.

3. In this case he goes off on some strange tangent about Mark Roberts, who did not write this original blog post, and why he didn't include the source of the photo. Then he claims that he (we) cropped the photo to cut out the identification of the magazine that he got it from. Yeah, OK, which is more likely, we found the same discolored photo that he did from some obscure European magazine, used an ultra-expensive high quality scanner, cleaned it up, cropped and then posted it.... or we just found the original JPEG and posted that without any quality loss.

As for Mark Robert's e-mail address, I sent him a link to his paper on WTC7, which contains his e-mail, and suggested that he read it, several times

But hey, at least we have Steven Jones on record saying that he wants us to e-mail him whenever we find problems in his work. Who knows, maybe he will even respond...

Deconstructing the Scholars

Kudos to commenter Debunking911 for pointing this one out. Here's a pretty good dissection of the "Scholars".

Proclaiming fellow 911 conspiracy kooks and their claims to be part of a "disinformation" campaign is one way to attempt to try to distance oneself from the people and claims. Additionally pretending that the "opposition" feels it necessary to instigate a "disinformation" campaign to flood the conspiracy camps with ever-increasingly outrageous and insane notions makes the conspiracy believers feel important and noticed by their enemies.

I don't agree with everything he has to say. For example, he claims:

Atta had been a CIA asset for many years, a man who worked for the United States government even before the Bush regime hijacked the 2000 Presidential Election.

He also says that the Bush Administration is a fascist regime, which is risible. But overall, his analysis of the 9-11 kooks is right on the money.

Rosie Pimps Scholars for 9-11 Truth

The folks at 9-11 Blogger are elated that she's text-messaging their stupid stuff, without apparently noticing that Rosie's got top spot on her blogroll devoted to the "Scholars" for 9-11 "Truth". That's right, Rosie's in Uncle Fetzer's corner:



If you click the link, you go to the NEW Scholars for 9-11 Denial website, completely bypassing the old ST911 website, and into the land of Uncle Fetzer and Judy Wood and Kevin Barrett.

Rosie suggests "research" here:

james writes:

Ro I can see how you can hate bush but “controlled demolitions”? How many buildings ever been hit with airplanes with jet fuel? Hate fairly

scholars for 9 11
research it

Now she's a researcher?