Sunday, May 14, 2006

For Those Who Believe There Was No Plane Crash At the Pentagon...

I guess Staff Sergeant Mark Williams is part of the coverup too.

WASHINGTON — On Tuesday, Army Staff Sgt. Mark Williams witnessed a combat zone for the first time in his 11 years of service. He never imagined it would be inside the Pentagon. One of the first recovery personnel to enter the crippled headquarters building after a hijacked Boeing 757 smashed into it, the urban search-and-rescue specialist found a gruesome sight. "If anyone has ever burned a pot roast, they'll know what the victims looked like," Williams, 30, said Thursday after another 12-hour shift of searching for 190 bodies — those of 126 missing Pentagon personnel and the 64 aboard the doomed jetliner.

The fireball occurred when the jetliner's full fuel tank exploded on impact and roared down corridors so fast that "90% didn't know what happened to them," he said.

Many were sitting at their desks or behind partitions. One woman was found frozen in a sitting position, her arms posed as if reading a document.

Several bodies were found huddled in groups near televisions. Pentagon workers were apparently watching the carnage taking place at the World Trade Center when the hellish scene on TV became reality for them, too.

When Williams discovered the scorched bodies of several airline passengers, they were still strapped into their seats. The stench of charred flesh overwhelmed him.

"It was the worst thing you can imagine," said Williams, whose squad from Fort Belvoir, Va., entered the building, less than four hours after the terrorist attack. "I wanted to cry from the minute I walked in. But I have soldiers under me and I had to put my feelings aside."


At 14 May, 2006 15:16, Blogger nes718 said...

No one is saying the fireball didn't kill people inside the building, but the way you have this worded makes it look like he's talking about finding "passengers" as opposed to just victims of the blast.

But let's take this a step further, if in fact the fireball was so hot that it practically vaporized the entire airplane along with the 6 ton steel, aluminum and titanium engines, how on earth could they possibly find bodies made of flesh? In my book, 2 + 2 always equals 4. Seem the "official version" apologists always find and excuse for the impossible. Is Sgt. Mark Williams part of a cover-up? You decide! This story could be a well placed plant by "the powers that be." Now wake up and smell the bullshit.

At 14 May, 2006 15:20, Blogger nes718 said...

Also remember, if a well trained soldier can’t carry out an order regardless of the consequences, he really wasn’t well trained.

At 14 May, 2006 18:14, Blogger James B. said...

No one is saying the fireball didn't kill people inside the building, but the way you have this worded makes it look like he's talking about finding "passengers" as opposed to just victims of the blast.

Can you read?

When Williams discovered the scorched bodies of several airline passengers, they were still strapped into their seats. The stench of charred flesh overwhelmed him.

At 14 May, 2006 22:23, Blogger nes718 said...

I can read. It was a typo, meant:

but the way you have this worded makes it look like he's *ONLY* talking

Caught that after I posted and would have edited if there was and edit feature.

At 14 May, 2006 22:26, Blogger nes718 said...

But James, what about the FACT that Sgt. Williams was part of the team that trained EXACTLY for this type of attack a few months back and JUST happened to be in the area when it happened? Just another in a long like of coincidences?

At 15 May, 2006 07:12, Blogger James B. said...

Oh brother, you people are ridiculous. It is a waste of time arguing with you. It must be easy making an argument when you can ignore any evidence that you don't like. How are those holocaust denial theories coming?

At 15 May, 2006 08:32, Blogger nes718 said...

How are those holocaust denial theories coming?

Since you went there, here's a Holocaust revisionist FACT you can't deny:

So just what constitutes "Holocaust denial"? Surely a claim that most Auschwitz inmates died from disease and not systematic extermination in gas chambers would be "denial." But perhaps not. Jewish historian Arno J. Mayer, a Princeton University professor, wrote in his 1988 study Why Did the Heavens Not Darken?: The 'Final Solution" in History': ... From 1942 to 1945, certainly at Auschwitz, but probably overall, more Jews were killed by so-called 'natural' causes than by 'unnatural' ones." (note 9)

Even estimates of the number of people who died at Auschwitz -- allegedly the main extermination center -- are no longer clear cut. At the postwar Nuremberg Tribunal, the Allies charged that the Germans exterminated four million people at Auschwitz. (note 10) Until 1990, a memorial plaque at Auschwitz read: "Four Million People Suffered and Died Here at the Hands of the Nazi Murderers Between the Years 1940 and 1945." (note 11) During a 1979 visit to the camp, Pope John Paul II stood before this memorial and blessed the four million victims.

Is it "Holocaust denial" to dispute these four million deaths? Not today. In July 1990, the Polish government's Auschwitz State Museum, along with Israel's Yad Vashem Holocaust center, conceded that the four million figure was a gross exaggeration, and references to it were accordingly removed from the Auschwitz monument. Israeli and Polish officials announced a tentative revised toll of 1.1 million Auschwitz dead. (note 12) In 1993, French Holocaust researcher Jean-Claude Pressac, in a much-discussed book about Auschwitz, estimated that altogether about 775,000 died there during the war years. (note 13)

Professor Mayer acknowledges that the question of how many really died in Auschwitz remains open. In Why Did the Heavens Not Darken? he wrote (p. 366):

... Many questions remain open ... All in all, how many bodies were cremated in Auschwitz? How many died there all told? What was the national, religious, and ethnic breakdown in this commonwealth of victims? How many of them were condemned to die a 'natural' death and how many were deliberately slaughtered? And what was the proportion of Jews among those murdered in cold blood among these gassed? We have simply no answers to these questions at this time.


At 15 May, 2006 12:12, Blogger nes718 said...

James man, they got us beat hands down. How are we supposed to compete with such solid "evidence"?

The real "evidence" is that the number on the plaque changed, this is verifiable though many sources. But in usual "brown shirt" fashion, you neglect to refute substance but instead try and make a point where there is none.

At 15 May, 2006 14:17, Blogger Pat said...

"For many years, a memorial plaque placed at the camp by the Soviet authorities and the Polish communist government stated that 4 million people had been murdered at Auschwitz. This number was never taken seriously by Western historians, and was never used in any of the calculations of the death toll at Auschwitz (which have generally remained consistently around 1-1.5 million for the last sixty years) or for the total deaths in the Holocaust as a whole. After the collapse of the Communist government, the plaque was removed and the official death toll given as 1.1 million. Holocaust deniers have attempted to use this change as propaganda, in the words of Nizkor: "Deniers often use the 'Four Million Variant' as a stepping stone to leap from an apparent contradiction to the idea that the Holocaust was a hoax, again perpetrated by a conspiracy. They hope to discredit historians by making them seem inconsistent."

From the Wikipedia article on Auschwitz.

At 15 May, 2006 18:52, Blogger Alex said...

Heh. Well done Pat. Just goes to show how even a misinterpretation of an insignificant even can be turned into a conspiracy by those who are mentaly unstable enough. Keeping that in mind, is it really any wonder that there are literlay thousands of different consipracy theories about an event like 9/11?

At 22 July, 2006 22:32, Blogger Mike V. said...

Until I see video of a plane hitting the pentagon, there is no fucking way I will believe that one did.

It is utterly impossible for a jetliner to be vaporized all the while creating only a 14 foot wide hole in the building.

At 15 September, 2006 19:00, Blogger - said...

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At 15 September, 2006 19:04, Blogger - said...

RE: the evidence of the plane that crashed into the pentagon...

How come its not burnt.. or even singed? This photo is of one part. This is not a "wreckage". A wreckage would involve engines, fusiloge, nose, tail, wing pieces..etc...

And why - when there so much footage of the WTC - is there no footage or pictures of a plane crashing into the pentagon?

At 22 September, 2006 10:06, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd just like to pass along a favorite quote from Der Spiegel on conspiracy theories: "as diverse as these theories and their adherents may be, they share a basic thought pattern: great tragedies must have great reasons." Link:,1518,265160,00.html

At 17 May, 2007 15:12, Blogger Catherine Todd said...

I have always believed that the events of 9/11 were orchestrated by persons or a group within the government of the USA; what better way to take control of and bankrupt our country, based on people's easily aroused hatred and fears?

But I can't really get to the "facts" presented here due to the sarcasm and other types of comments made. I am sure that what is being said holds a great deal of truth, but I can't tell what is "serious" and what is not.

Points like the seats of the airplane not being burnt when the bodies were "charred" is a very good point and one I never would have thought of, as obvious as it should be. But then the sarcasm and other innuendos make things even more confusing. Please explain clearly, as I would like to know more. Thank you for taking the time to present this very important information.

At 17 May, 2007 15:37, Blogger Catherine Todd said...

Thanks, pladecalvo: you said what I was trying to say:

<< I am amazed by some of the comments I have just read. I am amazed how the supporters of the 'official government story' class everyone how does not agree with it as crank, idiots, morons and half wits. >>

How can anyone get to the "truth" with all this name-calling and negativity being emanated?

This is exactly what causes these wars to begin with. First it is words, then blows, then sticks, stones, guns, bombs, airplanes, whatever can be commandeered for destruction. Anything that makes a war.

Unfortunately, as is shown so clearly here on this blog, some people just seem to be "wired" that way. These are the terrorists and madmen, as far as I can see.

I appreciate all the people who posted comments made based on reasonable, intelligent questions and answers, rather than "incitement to riot."

So many people here were so well-spoken. Too bad for the few throwing firebombs. I guess those individuals are the next "terrorists." But I hope not! Would like to read more from the helpful, questioning, admirable minds posted here. Thanks again.

At 23 June, 2007 09:39, Blogger _mark said...

It seems that this person believes everything he reads or what he wants to believe that he reads without digging deeper. Typical Blind Patriot. I didn't see one quote .. (QUOTE EMPHASIZED) that made me believe it. GET IT?

At 09 July, 2007 20:23, Blogger Unknown said...

Yeah. A fire hot enough to disintegrate 6 tons of metal can't leave human flesh intact. If you can't believe this, let's test it on you!

At 03 August, 2007 19:41, Blogger Unknown said...

ok ok forget about the so called theories. How can a plane evaporate but not human flesh. I'm no science wiz. But how is this scientifically possible. also a plane evaporates but not people or books or even a querer than a 4 dollar bill.Explain that one.Please dont argue junk just tell me facts.

At 06 October, 2007 22:49, Blogger aicraft mech said...

I'm not the smartest guy around, but i know a little about jet engines, I know that they are made out of titanium and they are made to withstand a lot of heat, I mean think about it, it is made to burn jet fuel inside itself, and your telling me a jet fuel fire desintegrated it. Are you stupid? Where did the engines actually impact? What happenned to all of the wreckage?
Ive seen alot of videos of a lot of plane crashes and there is always some type of wreckage.(usually they find most of the plane) They say it got so hot it vaporized the entire plane yet they found passengers, That's a little hard to swallow.
I watched JFK, gov conspiracy was definatly a factor in that cover-up. When I saw Loose Change it definatly brings up the fact that our gov is lying about the 757 crashing into the pentagon. Why, I'm not sure, but that doesn't change the fact that the gov is not to be trusted. And that a boeing 757 does not just dissappear because it crashes into a building and explodes.
I believe anyone who thinks it could happen,should probably be tested for drugs, or apply for a political job, because you are easily decieved or full of ****
either way politics is the way for you and the Republicans would love ya!

Why did we go to Iraq???
Why are we still in Iraq???
Where is Bin ladin???
Why can't we all just get along???
Why doesn't MTV play music???

At 20 March, 2008 09:10, Blogger PIHATIL said...

The government still hasn't release the 80 surveillance tapes of the plane hitting the Pentagon that were confiscated from neighboring buildings. Why? When evidence is hidden or destroyed, there must be a reason.

At 13 July, 2009 09:08, Blogger Kevin said...

I don't consider myself to be a "CT" as they are called here - but the systematic derogation of all people that believe a minority point of view is close-minded to a fault. I believe anything and everything MAY be disproved at any point - including things we take as gospel fact, such as gravity, the need for oxygen to survive, etc. If enough compelling evidence suggests one solution over another, OR simply the impossibility of one solution as the "correct" one, to ignore it would be folly.

In this argument unfortunately we have black and white polar opposites, without enough gray matter (pun intended) in between to lend justification to both side - because let's face it: BOTH SIDES HAVE MERITS.

I think this, and all other matters should be entered into with an open mind. This is not to say an open mind willing to believe anything simply because it is stated, but an open mind willing to lose his/her inherent beliefs if presented with new and compelling evidence. Very few on either side of the 9-11 debate fit this description unfortunately. They have picked their camps, labeled the other side as ignorant cooks (CTs) or dogmatic patriots (non CTs). Furthermore, broad derogatory generalizations are being made to discredit anyone falling on either side - such as a CT must believe ALL fringe theories and wear tin-foil hats, and all "believers" (of the official story) must be flag-waving fools that hate minorities and long for the good old days of slave-operated plantations. None of this is productive.

I think ultimately progress will be made when the two "sides" can come together, leave emotions and preconceived notions aside and look at each piece of evidence, analyze it and ultimately accept or dismiss it, without falling upon circular logic or "there's just no way" type answers.

At 06 June, 2011 14:33, Blogger Adam Holland said...

"According to the Defense Department’s book about the Pentagon attack: “The front part of the relatively weak fuselage [of Flight 77] disintegrated, but the mid-section and tail-end continued moving for another fraction of a second.… The chain of destruction resulted in parts of the plane ending up inside the Pentagon in reverse of the order they had entered it, with the tail-end of the airliner penetrating the greatest distance into the building.” [GOLDBERG ET AL., 2007, PP. 17]"


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