Sunday, July 16, 2006

Hypocrisy and Invisible Pipelines

I was struck by the irony of Jim Fetzer's words, when I listened to his July 14th interview of fellow "scholar" Kevin Barrett.

His spokesmen [referring to a Wisconsin politician criticizing Barrett] have even said that they don’t need to go to and check out the research of physicists, and aeronautical engineers and mechanical engineers and civil engineers and pilots. They don’t need to do that because they know that we are all just Bush haters.

First of all, what were the names of the civil engineers again? Secondly, I was immediately reminded of an article on the "scholars" in the Chronicle for Higher Education (emphasis added):, a Web site run by a software developer in England, is one of the few venues that offers a running scrutiny of the various claims and arguments coming out of the 9/11 Truth movement. Mr. Fetzer has heard of, but he has never visited the site."I have been dealing with disinformation and phony stories about the death of JFK for all these years. There's a huge amount of phoniness out there," he says. "You have to be very selective in how you approach these things."
Well I am glad they are open to contrary evidence.

Fetzer then goes on to lie about oil pipelines (emphasis added):

Look at the situation in Afghanistan today. We have had negotiations with the Taliban, where we told the Taliban that if they allowed an oil pipeline to be built across the northern part of the country, that we would bath them in gold, and if not we would bath them in bombs. They didn’t, we did. And today that pipeline, Melissa, is constructed, being constructed across Northern Afghanistan and the two massive permanent bases situated perfectly to protect it.
OK, so these pipelines are being built? That is interesting. Where are they? Who is building them? What oil companies are involved. What areas are they connecting? Where are the pictures of the construction? The news reports?

Fetzer doesn't even pay attention to the basics of Afghan geography. He claims that our bases are "situated perfectly" to protect the pipeline across "Northern Afghanistan". There are two main bases in Afghanistan, the first in Bagram, just north of Kabul, and the second in Kandahar, which is in Southern Afghanistan. The only way this could be along a pipeline is if you wanted to waste billions of dollars to run a pipeline to nowhere, along the Pakistani-Afghan border.

There are a lot of other things to debunk in this interview, including more lies about PNAC, cell phones, the phrase "Allahu akhbar", and how Hugo Chavez is a great guy, but I don't have the time.


At 16 July, 2006 13:33, Blogger undense said...

It's yet another example of how the dorks can't ever seem to get their facts straight. They glom onto some wild claim because some anonymous idgit on the internet once said so, and they never subsequently bother to actually check the facts.

The Unocal pipeline was never going to be an oil pipeline. It was planned to carry natural gas but, even though an agreement was signed in 2002, actual construction has still not begun.

At 16 July, 2006 15:56, Blogger The Artistic Macrophage said...

Once again, pushing things down our throats as facts, without any evidence, not even the slightest, to back it up...

At 16 July, 2006 16:00, Blogger telescopemerc said...

I've said it before:

'No Blood for Natural Gas' sounds more like a bowel problem than a rallying cry.

At 16 July, 2006 16:23, Blogger Alex said...

'No Blood for Natural Gas' sounds more like a bowel problem than a rallying cry.


Sounds painful. Like something you'd get after a week of eating nothing but army rations.

At 16 July, 2006 17:54, Blogger apathoid said...

Sounds painful. Like something you'd get after a week of eating nothing but army rations.

No joke. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. In 1998, while on exercise(yes CTs - the military does play wargames), I finished an MRE and noticed something about the M&M wrapper. It said "M&M - The Official Sponsor Of The 1984 Olympic Games". They definately were stale, but damn! They were 14 years old !

At 16 July, 2006 19:15, Blogger JoanBasil said...

Yup, we got lied into two wars and we are stuck in both of them. Afghanistan is a mess just like Iraq and we can't get out of there, either.

At 16 July, 2006 19:38, Blogger undense said...

lol @ joan.

CT Tactic Std# 2-157: Never admit that another CT has their facts fubared. Post an anti-war rant instead as a diversion.

At 16 July, 2006 19:39, Blogger James B. said...

That reminds me of a story my dad once told me. He was in Vietnam in 1963 and he ate a C-Ration. This was back when they came with cigarettes. Well his cigarettes had a pack of lucky strikes, with a green wrapper. You history buffs should be able to tell the significance of that.

At 16 July, 2006 20:25, Blogger shawn said...

Yup, we got lied into two wars and we are stuck in both of them. Afghanistan is a mess just like Iraq and we can't get out of there, either.

Yes, Afghanistan is such a mess than over 80 percent of them are happy we came.


At 16 July, 2006 20:25, Blogger shawn said...

How were we lied into Afghanistan, idiot? Everyone should agree that war was justified.

At 17 July, 2006 04:19, Blogger Pepik said...

Its funny that the "Unocal" pipeline is still a smoking gun... first the plot was that Unocal was going to build a pipeline (to supply gas to Pakistan? So what?) then when Unocal bailed, the CTs decided that if anybody builds a pipeline anywhere in Afghanistan, that somehow proves the smoking gun. Poor sods, they can't even get that - five years later the pipeline project is still just paper.

At 17 July, 2006 05:27, Blogger CHF said...

The looney left makes this mistake over and over again.

The infamous UNOCAL pipeline plan was cancelled in 1998 and has not been restated.

A plan agreed to by Afghanistan, Pakistan and Turkmenistan in 2002 to persue a pipeline has been inable to attract foreign investment from all those evil oil companies.

But the left isn't willing to let this story go - thus they let their imagination make up for the lack of pipelines.

At 17 July, 2006 18:22, Blogger jackhanyes said...


In true bullshiter's fashion you failed to produce a map WITHOUT the bases and without the piple line. One thing that pisses me of about "non-truther" and general liers is that they always, without fail, give only one side of story when "debunking".

Sure you look at one side of the story, everything looks great! When you look at ALL sides then things look a little different. BULLSHITERS won't give you all sides, only their side. If you feel like you're not getting all sides, you more then likely getting lied to. If the messager is covering the other side and on one side, you're proberly getting lied to.

GRRRR... Any, I did your research you lazy ass.

I guess depending on who build the gas line, it will either go through Kandahar or Badgram. Hey, but they building bases at both location.

"But there is no connection!" scream the 'non-truthers'.

At 17 July, 2006 18:26, Blogger jackhanyes said...

The deal on the pipeline was signed on December 27, 2002 by the leaders of Turkmenistan, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Signing the agreement was made possible by the invasion of Afghanistan by United States military forces a year prior, which overthrew the Taliban government controlling most of Afghanistan. Building the pipeline was cited by some critics of the Bush administration as a motivation for the invasion. However, since then the project has essentially stalled; construction of the Turkmen part is supposed to start in 2006, but the overall feasibility is questionable since the southern part of the Afghan section runs through territory which continues to be under de facto Taliban control.

Nothing quite like quoting wikipedia....

At 17 July, 2006 20:03, Blogger jackhanyes said...

no pipe line..... because the country is still unsecured. That was the job of the americans! Damn slackers.

At 18 July, 2006 03:21, Blogger shawn said...

"But there is no connection!" scream the 'non-truthers'.

It depends a great deal on who's building the pipeline, Einstein.

At 18 July, 2006 04:39, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

Sorry Joan, but nobody was "lied" into Afghanistan. The US was foolish for going in there(as they will see in the next few years), but they still hand some justification.

Shawn, care to cite some statistics as to that 80% who are "glad we came"? I would think Karzai would have a little more respect than he does were that the case.

At 18 July, 2006 05:07, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

I can't see anyone stupid enough to invade Afghanistan just to build a gas pipeline. There are far less painful and expensive ways to get natural gas.

At 18 July, 2006 05:42, Blogger Pepik said...

So a non-US company is building a pipeline to sell gas owned by non-US companies to non-US companies in other non-US countries. This is the smoking gun which explains the US invasion.

This is what I am talking about. The theory is now about a pipeline. Any pipeline. If any pipeline to anwhere is built in Afghanistan, it proves a conspiracy. Why? Because.

At 18 July, 2006 06:37, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

I see, so some fucktard company decides to build a pipeline thinking that the US will be there forever. Won't they be surprised down the road when NATO leaves and their pipeline gets blown to hell.

Still, more proof that the US did not invade Afghanistan to build a pipeline.

At 18 July, 2006 14:58, Blogger CHF said...

Of all the geopolitical CTs out there the Afghan pipeline is the worst. It's almost as bad as the Pentagon missile theory.

First off, the CTs are dumb enough to believe that it's a good idea to start a war in order to build a pipeline. WAR IS BAD for pipelines. You can't have a long, thin tube carrying flamable liquid/gas running through a bloody warzone without it getting shot to pieces every day!

UNOCAL and their late-90s competitor Bridas (of Argentina) were both encouraging peace between the Taliban and Northern Alliance for exactly that reason. There was no peace and the plan was cancelled in 1998.

The Baku-Turkey pipeline that opened last year was built so long because it has to avoid several war zones.

The pipeline CT is basically this:

- UNOCAL wants to build a pipeline carying gas/oil (CTers can't decide) from Turkmenistan to Pakistan

- the Taliban object (even though there is NO reason why they would object)

- UNOCAL cancels deal in 1998

- in 2001 US threatens Taliban with force unless cancelled pipeline is allowed to be built; again, Taliban refuses for some reason

- 9/11 hoax is staged to give US justification to eliminate Taliban

- former Soviet republics offer America use of air force bases. US takes up all offers except the one from Turkmenistan (the very nation whose oil/gas they wants to "steal!")

- Taliban ousted

- very little fighting from 2002-2003

- US does NOT build UNOCAL pipeline

- in fact US doesn't agree to build ANY pipelines

- Pakistan/Afghanistan/Turkmenistan agree to build trans-Afghan pipeline in 2002!

- but US companies show no interest in funding it (nor does anyone else)

- all this time the USA supports the Baku-Turkey pipeline (ie the opposite direction from Afghanistan) which opened in 2005

So what we're left with is basically three governments wanting to build a pipeline that no one wants to fund.

Yup - that's why we went to war.

Fucking morons.

At 19 July, 2006 06:11, Blogger JPSlovjanski said...

Precisely,the cost of a war in Afghanistan is simply far beyond any profit that could be made off some pipeline. There is simply nobody stupid enough in the entire world to do something like that, and if they were that stupid they could never pull off some kind of massive false-flag terrorist attack.


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